Oh, for the love of god, go away

[portnoyd]

http://www.xbox.com/community/sunny-world.htm?det=1

Maybe MS should concentrate on making decent games, selling systems in Japan and Europe, and not building their entire system around Halo, and stop ripping off Genesis ads from the early 90s.

HAR HAR HAR SO FUNNY. XBox - Not for any selfrespecting human being..

dave

[Raedon]

The best is MS announced today that you will have to pay hundreds of Dollars more if you want network security. You no longer get security for free.


The company "may offer new security abilities on a paid basis," Microsoft Chief Technical Officer Craig Mundie said here at this week's RSA Conference on tech security. Such a possibility is one of many under consideration within Microsoft's security business unit, recently set up under its own vice president, Mike Nash. The idea is still only hypothetical, but it represents an acknowledgement that Microsoft sees security not only as a necessary condition to reassure existing and future customers, but also as a potential source of revenue.

Asked why it has taken Microsoft 25 years to put secure computing at the forefront of its efforts, he said it's "because customers wouldn't pay for it until recently

Correct me if I am wrong, but 95% of the reason we are vulnerable is BECAUSE of their products. Sheesh.


http://news.com.com/2100-1001-961351.html?tag=cd_mh

[CrazyImpmon]

Correct me if I am wrong, but 95% of the reason we are vulnerable is BECAUSE of their products. Sheesh.

*yawn* What else is new? :lol: :lol:

[Sylentwulf]

New Rule. NO ONE, I mean ABSOLUTELY NO ONE, gets to complain about microsoft unless they're running Linux. If you have ANY Microsoft product (Including Linux emulated) on your computer, you can't complain about microsoft.

Sound reasonable? I think so.

[leonk]

I think we should have an add-on to that rule:

If you run a microsoft product that you did not pay for, and are forced to use it (e.g. for work) then you are still allowed to complain.

:)

Lets not forget that there are many technologies out there, that corporate america has created which FORCE users into other corporate products in order to use it!

a good example of this is DVD playback!!!

In order to have any MPEG-2 decoder, you must license the MPEG-2 technology from the MPEG group for CRAZY amounts of $$$!!! Hence why places like China went out of there way and invented VCD & SVCD!

I got go into many other technologies that are not made by microsoft, but MS positioned themselves (one way or another) that you are forced into it!

LK

(Proud AIX admin, Linux Kernel Developer, and all time NES FAN!)

[kevincure]

Eh...

Security problems aside, Word is ten times better than anything else, Internet Explorer blew the doors off of Netscape, Excel pushed spreadsheets so far forward and Powerpoint is unparalleled.

For all the Microsoft problems, they've made a lot of great programs. Enough with the bashing.

[Anonymous]

Despite constant rebuttals to the now-beaten-to-a-fine-powder dead horse xbox/M$/Bill Gates suX0rz arguments, it appears that some people have subscribed to the George W. Bush (http://www.salon.com/comics/knig/2002/09/18/knig/index.html) school of argumentative reasoning. I should just make a webpage and refer people to it whenever this comes up...

[ventrra]

NO ONE, I mean ABSOLUTELY NO ONE, gets to complain about microsoft unless they're running Linux.

....errr, What if we're running Solaris? :?

[portnoyd]

I'll complain about Microsoft bc they made an incredibly childish flash video. And that their console system is dead in the water. Nyeh. ;)

dave

[slapdash]

Security problems aside,

Why set that aside? That's a HUGE issue!


Word is ten times better than anything else,

Nisus Writer? Star Office? Hell, PC Write?


Internet Explorer blew the doors off of Netscape,

Opera?


Excel pushed spreadsheets so far forward

Further than Lotus 1-2-3?


and Powerpoint is unparalleled.

I admit I don't know any products under this range, but I can tell you that there are people out there who believe that Powerpoint has single-handedly down-graded corporate presentations by allowing people to throw together cute animations that say nothing rather than presenting real info in black & white. But this is a societal issue, not a software one.


For all the Microsoft problems, they've made a lot of great programs. Enough with the bashing.

No, not enough. If they could make their programs great (1) on the first revision, (2) without bugs and security holes (not to mention refusing to acknowledge many of them until the complaints reach a certain level) and (3) without leeching off of real innovation, then I might stop bashing.

Face it, Microsoft as an entity deserves HEAPS of derision. If a certain program actually does a lot of good and does it well (for instance, I have very few gripes about SQL Server & its Query Analyzer), than I'll give props to that program, but I won't lay off a ten ton gorilla that doesn't mind bullying its way around the economy and shitting on its competitors and customers alike the rest of the time.

[slapdash]

The best is MS announced today that you will have to pay hundreds of Dollars more if you want network security. You no longer get security for free.


The company "may offer new security abilities on a paid basis," Microsoft Chief Technical Officer Craig Mundie said here at this week's RSA Conference on tech security. Such a possibility is one of many under consideration within Microsoft's security business unit, recently set up under its own vice president, Mike Nash. The idea is still only hypothetical, but it represents an acknowledgement that Microsoft sees security not only as a necessary condition to reassure existing and future customers, but also as a potential source of revenue.

Asked why it has taken Microsoft 25 years to put secure computing at the forefront of its efforts, he said it's "because customers wouldn't pay for it until recently

Correct me if I am wrong, but 95% of the reason we are vulnerable is BECAUSE of their products. Sheesh.

Yes, but now you can see why -- they're turning security holes into a new revenue stream.

(I'm not saying they made their code buggy on purpose to create this revenue stream mind you, just that they're assholes enough to take advantage of it rather than do the correct thing and fix the problems in the first place).

[cerex]

wow that flash movie was real dull that music gets on you after awhile

[Li Wang]

New Rule. NO ONE, I mean ABSOLUTELY NO ONE, gets to complain about microsoft unless they're running Linux. If you have ANY Microsoft product (Including Linux emulated) on your computer, you can't complain about microsoft.

Sound reasonable? I think so.

This argument is tired and full of holes. It would make sense only if Microsoft was actually providing a service or helping advance the state personal computers in some way by monopolizing. Microsoft is not making anyone's life easier by being the only (unstable) choice avaliable for most people. Do you think people use Windows because they enjoy getting the blue screen of death 3 times a day? The fact is it's very difficult for anyone but those who have quite a bit of experience with computers to set up stable alternate operating systems. It isn't impossible to be nearly computer illiterate and also aware of bad business in that industry, you know. If anything, your pointing out the fact that most regular joes have to use Microsoft software to run their computers is support for those who criticize their monopolistic business practices, not proof that they are in any way pioneers that the computer industry could not exist without.

[Nature Boy]

Maybe we need a forum just for MS bitching.

I'm personally sick of reading/hearing about it. For every fault people find in MS, I'm sure you can find another company, one you have no problems with, doing the exact same thing.

My company charges clients for bug fixes.

IBM/Lotus released an extremely buggy Notes 5 way before they should have.

Go ahead and choose to use the competiton. But don't justify your choice by slamming MS. It's lame. Justify your choice by extolling the virtues of 1-2-3 or Linux. I don't like their practices either, but I like Excel, Explorer, and Xbox. And I'll keep using them, thank you very much.

[Captain Wrong]

@NatureBoy, wow, here I thought I was the only one who felt that way! :)

[YoshiM]

Wow, did I land on Slashdot by mistake?

[theaveng]

New Rule. NO ONE, I mean ABSOLUTELY NO ONE, gets to complain about microsoft unless they're running Linux.

I am so tired of people saying "Linux, Linux, Linux!" Good God people... an operating system that requires a degree in Computer Science is NOT a solution. I can just imagine what would happen if my computer illiterate brother tried to use Linux... He'd have a paperweight instead of a computer.

It's not enough for an operating system to work. It has to be easy to use too... so the average idiot who drives a car can also run his computer.

That said, I vote for Mac OS as the best alternative to Mickeysoft. Extremely stable but also easy enough for a kiddie to use and setup.

Troy

[YoshiM]

theavenge: you just reminded me of a post on Slashdot about Linux on the Dreamcast. WHY???!! Why would I want to use a CD-Loaded OS where I can't really use other than for web browsing (I guess someone figured out how to get the DC modem to work in Linux) as I highly doubt that a Star Office or OpenOffice doc will fit onto a VMU? With all this Linux stuff, I can't wait for the day where I have to log into my toaster as ROOT in order to adjust the temperature.

You are so right. I used Linux (Mandrake 8.1) and it wasn't that spectacular. Sure it was cool that it came with a bunch of apps and such but it is a pain to figure out how to find what you are looking for in the menus. Not to mention software installation for non-Unix users. While I'm not a big fan o' Microsoft, I like Windows. It has what I want and I can get freeware stuff just like the Linux people can. I wonder sometimes, is the Linux push really because users want "Choice" or is it the fact that they can get the OS and software for "free"?

I end my rant on Linux now.

[Aswald]

I'll just stick with the old cassette tapes and 8-Bit consoles. To heck with the X-Box, or the like. Enough of those money-sucking corporations. I'm tired of always being told how much I "need" their products, and then how I ALWAYS have to spend hundreds more to "upgrade" in some manner.

The computer revolution is a hoax. The dot.com fiasco was bad enough, but, contrary to the claims of the computer-hucksters, things are most certainly NOT better. Our schools are a bad joke, our politicians have just scrapped the Constitution, our economy is shot- I have some literature here, which names names (are you listening, Mr. Cheney?), and which shows how, in the past couple of years, a few well-connected white-collar criminals have literally caused BILLIONS- tens or even hundreds of billions- to just vanish from our already-crippled economy. The economy my grandfather (Italian immigrant) and father both fought for (the latter, WW2) and slaved away for, back when trying to start any sort of a union could mean one's death.

Check 20th Century history. There was more significant technological advancement BEFORE computers. Now, clearly, the computer revolution merely feeds itself. For all of the hype, we still don't even have a moonbase, or even a really good space station. Yet, in a few decades in the first half of the 20th century, they went from crude biplanes to Sputnik. O.k, a little into the second half, too. But what have we really accomplished since?

[Captain Wrong]

...and I still want a hoverboard dammit!

[theaveng]

Computers don't really do anything new... they just convert stuff from paper to electronic. Board games are now video games. Written paperwork is now electronic. Hand-delivered mail is now becoming wire-delivered mail. Entertainment in the form of Books became Movies. Now computers are making the Movies interactive (like Kingdom Hearts).

The major advances in society already happened during the Industrial Revolution (~1800-1950) when production moved from the Home to the Factory. THAT was the revolutionary idea. Now we're in a holding pattern where inventions (including computers) are merely improvements on older ideas.

The computer is an evolution on old ideas, not a revolution.

Troy

[CPUWIZ]

New Rule. NO ONE, I mean ABSOLUTELY NO ONE, gets to complain about microsoft unless they're running Linux. If you have ANY Microsoft product (Including Linux emulated) on your computer, you can't complain about microsoft.

Sound reasonable? I think so.

Even if they pull crap like this ?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/2329519.stm

[mattpfeil]

My computer is the best, and i dont have an OS
my computer consists of 2 things...and abacus and an etchi-sketch
its all ive ever dreamed of

[Ruudos]

Computers don't really do anything new...
You're right about what you said, but there's one thing that computers did what is quite something new and that is the Internet.
Well and video games too, msot of them aren't electronic board games.

[Aswald]

But what has the Internet done that can be considered (in a practical sense) useful? Sure, websites such as the Digital Press are great, but...what else?

The Internet did NOT prevent the theft of the 2000 election.

It did NOT prevent the Constitution from being scrapped (Patriot Act).

It is NOT giving us any more say in the political process- now politicians just ignore e-mail, instead of regular mail.

It did NOT improve our schools- if anything, the opposite.

We have NOT made any significant technological advancements lately. When 2001: A Space Odyssey was written by Mr. Clarke, all of the things it predicted seemed perfectly reasonable at the time, given the rate of advancement in the previous decades. Well- here we are, and we still don't even have a good space station, let alone a moonbase. All of our recent advancements are geared toward computers, it merely increases itself.

I have here, right now, a list of key players involved in the recent financial scandals (Enron alone: 70 BILLION DOLLARS in losses). I also have a list of brokerage houses and financial firms involved. A few dozen of these criminals managed to literally steal over HALF A TRILLION DOLLARS from our crippled economy in a scandal that makes the 1980s Savings and Loans look like petty theft. Remember when we were assured that computers would make us better informed and "keep things more honest?" Looks like the opposite happened. Remember all of the slick hype over the dot.com companies and the "new economy?" I rest my case.

[Arcade Antics]

But what has the Internet done that can be considered (in a practical sense) useful? Sure, websites such as the Digital Press are great, but...what else?

The Internet did NOT prevent the theft of the 2000 election.

It did NOT prevent the Constitution from being scrapped (Patriot Act).

It is NOT giving us any more say in the political process- now politicians just ignore e-mail, instead of regular mail.

It did NOT improve our schools- if anything, the opposite.

I'm pretty sure the internet was never designed to do any of the above things.

The internet is *very* practical and useful. Like any tool.

If I give someone a wrench and they choose to use it to pound nails into the wall, that's their problem. It doesn't diminish the utility of the actual wrench.

[Aswald]

The only problem with that analogy is that the Internet is being made a part of every aspect of our lives. Nobody is forcing you to use that wrench, one way or the other, but try not using the Internet today. We are expected to pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars (each) for the computer revolution, yet what have we gotten out of it?

[cerex]

we have got alot out of it,i mean look at mp3's dont have to pay for cd's unless you choose too,that saves you money right there,and you find cheaper stuff on the internet they you would ever find in a store,the internet is capable of alot just depends on how you use it.

[Arcade Antics]

The only problem with that analogy is that the Internet is being made a part of every aspect of our lives. Nobody is forcing you to use that wrench, one way or the other, but try not using the Internet today. We are expected to pay hundreds or even thousands of dollars (each) for the computer revolution, yet what have we gotten out of it?

Huh?

Who is forcing you to use the internet?

Who expects you to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for the computer revolution? Who are these people? </Seinfeld> If you don't want to buy a computer, then don't.

I'd say we've gotten plenty out of it. I don't know how you could suggest otherwise.

[portnoyd]

GEE, THAT XBOX FLASH IS PRETTY CHILDISH AND STUPID DON'T YOU AGREE :)

Hehe, I had to.

dave