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opcode

01-08-2004, 06:15 PM

From all tidbits I have read so far, it's fairly obvious to me Nintendo is planning to release a new console software compatible with the Famicom and Super Famicom (NES and SNES). But this time you will able to download games via radio signal. Do you remember Nintendo stopped production of both FC and SFC last year? And how about all talk about simpler games? And the recent statement about the new machine using existing software?
It would be the first case of a big commercial retro gaming venture. Interesting....

Eduardo Mello

sisko

01-08-2004, 08:14 PM

sources?

LazingBlazers

01-08-2004, 08:21 PM

Kind of like that thing in China?

opcode

01-08-2004, 08:24 PM

sources?

Here:

http://www.nintendojo.com/infocus/view_item.php?1073582777

GaijinPunch

01-08-2004, 10:30 PM

Kind of like that thing in China?

Yeah, SARS...

Evil E

01-08-2004, 10:40 PM

Kind of like that thing in China?

Yeah, SARS...

make sure you wear your mask :evil:

SoulBlazer

01-08-2004, 10:52 PM

There's also this article......

http://www.gamespot.com/gba/news/news_6086210.html

LazingBlazers

01-08-2004, 11:58 PM

Kind of like that thing in China?

Yeah, SARS...

Does SARS work on NTSC?

Ed Oscuro

01-09-2004, 02:15 AM

Kind of like that thing in China?

Yeah, SARS...

Does SARS work on NTSC?

LOL

You guys are too clever for your own good. For anybody who's been under a rock (or here in the states), they're talking about the iQue player.

Hopefully this may lead to new 2D game releases on good hardware. That would be nice :)

sisko

01-09-2004, 11:37 AM

Interesting reads nonetheless.

I'm eager to see what this thing could be.

I mean, the reason the iQue was developed was to drive down piracy in 2nd/3rd world countries. Obviously, its not that big of a deal in the US....excluding ROMs which have been around forever... so why bother (I don't know about Japan)? On the other hand, the technology already exists and only requires minor modifications to become marketable world wide.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see....

Nature Boy

01-09-2004, 11:43 AM

Nintendo has long fought against emulation. I've been wondering if stuff like this (and the GBA remakes and the GC Zelda discs) is part of that effort. After all, you can't claim it as 'abandonware' if they continue market it.

That iQue thing looks kinda cool:
http://www.lik-sang.com/news.php?artc=3214

Ze_ro

01-09-2004, 02:27 PM

Cmosfm

01-09-2004, 02:39 PM

I read in a very recent gaming magazine that they had plans on releasing one of those "hook the controller to the tv that has 20 odd games on it" type deals like Namco and Activision did.

Im pretty sure you know what im talking about, there selling well, but I think thats what there talking about.

Nature Boy

01-09-2004, 02:55 PM

I doubt they're re-releasing games just because it bolsters their "not abandoned" stance... they're re-releasing them because people are apparently willing to pay $40 for the game all over again for whatever reason.

I don't think it's *just* for that reason. I think that's part of it though. Making money is *always* the underlying reason for anything a for-profit organization does :)

evilmess

01-09-2004, 03:03 PM

I seriously hope it's something better than a controller with games that hooks up to the tv because theres nothing "new and innovative" about that.

Personally I'm hoping for a new handheld with a tv hookup feature and if it plays games from older systems then that's a bonus for sure.

Earlier this year a bunch of rom sites had to yank a lot of Ninty titles at the request of the IDSA which could indicate that the titles are going back into circulation.

Aswald

01-09-2004, 03:04 PM

Shouldn't they be trying to concentrate on the Gamecube? What if they become the Sega of this decade?

sisko

01-09-2004, 03:06 PM

I doubt they're re-releasing games just because it bolsters their "not abandoned" stance... they're re-releasing them because people are apparently willing to pay $40 for the game all over again for whatever reason.

If this new system indeed plays N64 and SNES games, it'll be interesting to see how much they'll charge for the games (I doubt it would actually accept SNES/N64 cartridges)... my guess is: surprisingly high.

--Zero

You just spurred a train of thought.

Assume that the new console is very similar to the IQ. It can play all NES, SNES, and N64 games. Now assume that they sell these games on a new type of media that is extremely cheap costing maybe $5 a game.

Would such a current retro boost in the gaming market destroy the markets in used game stores (Gamestop, EB, etc). Naturally the demand for the original cartridges would go down, but how much?

This happened slightly with the advent of the eReader. Games such as Excite Bike, DK, and a few others suffered slight price reductions. However, if a fully supported console started releasing more permanent versions of games, rather than flimsy playing cards, at a price that a pack of playing cards cost, I imagine the official retro market would suffer a huge blow.

Ouch for us collectors. Ouch for retro dealers.

Alex Kidd

01-09-2004, 03:32 PM

kai123

01-09-2004, 03:33 PM

How would it be an ouch to collectors? We would be able to get stuff much cheaper. I could live with that. Now for dealers I guess it would suck.

sisko

01-09-2004, 03:36 PM

How would it be an ouch to collectors? We would be able to get stuff much cheaper. I could live with that. Now for dealers I guess it would suck.

From a value standpoint it would suck.

I personally get annoyed when my games drop 75% or more in value when games get rereleased.

Nature Boy

01-09-2004, 04:48 PM

Shouldn't they be trying to concentrate on the Gamecube? What if they become the Sega of this decade?

I've been thinking the EXACT same thing

The E-Reader is about the equivalent of the 32X...
And if they rush out the next console it'd be much like Sega rushing the Saturn to beat the PS...

The eReader is *not* a 32X in my mind. The 32X was supposed to give you better games to play on your Genesis. The eReader isn't about better games for your GBA - it's about expanding the games you already own a little more (like SMB3 and Animal Crossing). I think the e-NES games themselves were a flop - way too pricey. Maybe they'd work if they were $2 a pack or something.

Plus their next console is (supposedly) trying to cash in on the retro market. Which is *not* akin to the Saturn launch. The Saturn was to be 'next gen' - the machine we're talking about is 'retro gen.'

I, for one, *hope* the prices of the older games drop. That means I can buy more of 'em. I'd *still* rather have them on the original machine. Although I'd buy 'em for a new machine as well (since I *play* the newer machines more often). The value of my collection to me is trivial - it's personal value, not monetary.

bigdaddychester

01-09-2004, 04:52 PM

With as much hype as Nintendo has been putting into their website, I wander if this will be handheld, console, whatever that would allow you to download (in a proprietary format) a ROM type file that will only work on that console. Security measures would prevent the files from being shared from console to console and there would be an authentication code in each console so no matter where you're at you could log into your Nintendo page and for a subscription fee (yearly, monthly, etc) download X amount of files.

SoulBlazer

01-09-2004, 05:04 PM

I've been saying that Nintendo and Sega should do something like that for YEARS, Big. LOL

They would make TONS of money!

Jive3D

01-09-2004, 05:04 PM

Maybe its just me, but I dont like paying money for something that is purely digital. I want a cartridge or a disk with what I bought on it. Same reason I am no where close to paying for DLing music, paying to DL a game that I cant really "HAVE" isnt so attractive to me, BUT, if nintendo does something like that and they release some cool games on it, then hey, I'm up for trying new (which might be old) things.

but really, I hope they dont do the DL old games onto new hardware thing, I hope its not the N5 not the GBA2. I want something super that will blow us out of the dam water! but I cant thi....nk of a dam thing that would do that

Dr. Morbis

01-09-2004, 06:06 PM

I, for one, *hope* the prices of the older games drop. That means I can buy more of 'em. I'd *still* rather have them on the original machine. Although I'd buy 'em for a new machine as well (since I *play* the newer machines more often). The value of my collection to me is trivial - it's personal value, not monetary.
I agree with this 100%. Having original cartridge games go down in value is a BIG bonus for collectors. Sure it sucks for resellers and distributers and whatnot, but they are only in this business to make a profit off of US: the collectors who want to own these games. Since my collection(s) will never be for sale, I don't care if they lose their value. I think that if Nintendo goes retro, it will be a good thing all around for true collectors and retrogamers alike.

Ze_ro

01-09-2004, 06:22 PM

I personally get annoyed when my games drop 75% or more in value when games get rereleased.

Video games aren't really an investment. 95% or more of them are guaranteed to decrease in value.

--Zero

Nature Boy

01-12-2004, 09:57 AM

Video games aren't really an investment. 95% or more of them are guaranteed to decrease in value.

And if they ever *do* become a serious investment the hobby will be ruined for a period of time.

Too many people buying just to profit off kills the hobby (in the short term). It becomes less about the quality of the games themselves and more about what you can make money off of.

Ze_ro

01-12-2004, 06:17 PM

Nature Boy

01-13-2004, 08:41 AM

Remember when sports cards used to be an investment? When I was a kid, I had a ton of hockey cards. I have rookie cards for most every good player in the game right now, since most of them are from the early 90's. I probably don't have any cards worth more than about $6.

Same thing with comic books. Selling multiple copies of comics to people who are 'speculating' is *terrible* for the industry. It becomes all about having a hot book and not about the actual stories involved (both writing and artwork).

I worked at a hobby shop in the early to mid 90s and saw all of this happen firsthand. Thankfully the next thing 'ruined' was beanie babies.