Why does north america get the shaft?

[EnemyZero]

Why is it japan and the uk get sweet consoles...and we dont....like the panasonic Q gamecube...or the gundam gamecube..or the crystal xbox..or panzer dragoon xbox...or the gundum or gran turismo ps2...or the cool skeleton saturns...WHY DO WE GET SHAFTED???? >.< ok im done...now and i think we should start a petition...so that companies give us kick ass consoles too!

[Ed Oscuro]

Now that you're finished ranting, I'd like you to consider that the GameCube is essentially dead in the UK and Australia (never considered the center of the gaming world), Europe is just starting to overcome the scars of post-WWII bans on violence in entertainment, and that Japanese gamers quite possibly don't get XBox games because their local stores don't carry them (just a suspicion, really).

We really don't have it that bad.

Also...could you give me one example of a "sweet console" found in the UK? When I was there all I saw were two variations on the pack-in-game with an XBox (Indiana Jones being one of them), and let's not even talk about running a PAL game on an NTSC system...

[Ed Oscuro]

Oh, I understand now. You're envious of the Master System Girl from Brazil, aren't you? :P

[hydr0x]

Why is it japan and the uk get sweet consoles...and we dont....like the panasonic Q gamecube...or the gundam gamecube..or the crystal xbox..or panzer dragoon xbox...or the gundum or gran turismo ps2...or the cool skeleton saturns...WHY DO WE GET SHAFTED???? >.< ok im done...now and i think we should start a petition...so that companies give us kick ass consoles too!

i really don't want to sound harsh (or do i??) but this is ridiculous, how can you even dare to say the US gets shafted??????????????????

you seem to have NO idea how many games do not make it to europe at all, not to speak of things like special editions (i wonder if european gaming companies even know the word "special edition" or "limited edition")

cool consoles in the uk??? what, the amstrad gx4000 or what?!? in germany it's even worse, we have about 5% less GC releases than the UK just as an example, we have to wait FOREVER to get localized versions and so on and so on, so many things are worse in europe!! :angry:

the only things that's better in europe are the various comic games (Spirou, Smurfs and so on) and the Taxi games ;)

[kai123]

http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/action/metalgearworkingtitle/news_6087175.html

Stuff like this is what pisses me off. I would buy one of these if they were released over here.

[rbudrick]

Sometimes you get shafted, sometimes you're the shaftee.

Seriously, Japan gets everything, Europe and NA get screwed. Brazil gets a lot of shit too...lotsa pirates tho.

-Rob

[Ed Oscuro]

Seriously, Japan gets everything, Europe and NA get screwed. Brazil gets a lot of shit too...lotsa pirates tho.

I still don't agree that Japan "gets everything," because, well, quite frankly it doesn't (XBox again). Now about Brazil...name one cool thing released in Brazil that wasn't obsolete by five years.

[mrhaboobi]

Why is it japan and the uk get sweet consoles...and we dont....like the panasonic Q gamecube...or the gundam gamecube..or the crystal xbox..or panzer dragoon xbox...or the gundum or gran turismo ps2...or the cool skeleton saturns...WHY DO WE GET SHAFTED???? >.< ok im done...now and i think we should start a petition...so that companies give us kick ass consoles too!

i really don't want to sound harsh (or do i??) but this is ridiculous, how can you even dare to say the US gets shafted??????????????????

you seem to have NO idea how many games do not make it to europe at all, not to speak of things like special editions (i wonder if european gaming companies even know the word "special edition" or "limited edition")

cool consoles in the uk??? what, the amstrad gx4000 or what?!? in germany it's even worse, we have about 5% less GC releases than the UK just as an example, we have to wait FOREVER to get localized versions and so on and so on, so many things are worse in europe!! :angry:

the only things that's better in europe are the various comic games (Spirou, Smurfs and so on) and the Taxi games ;)

Ditto. On top of that try living in a country like New Zealand.. we dont heven have a decent nintendo supplier!!!

[GaijinPunch]

Seriously, Japan gets everything, Europe and NA get screwed. Brazil gets a lot of shit too...lotsa pirates tho.


I just think there are more Japnaese collectors that will go diehard for some LE system than there are in NA (at least per capita). I mean look at how often the Japanese rehash the same thing with new packaging, and put a huge price tag on it?

FYI -- the US doesn't get the total shaft. There's no Zelda special disc here.

[EnemyZero]

ok ok i see where your all coming from .... i still think japan gets the best of the world..minus the xbox....but i agree with all of you....i was just throwing a fit of anger because i want a cool gundam special edition gamecube or a panzer dragoon xbox...or one of the new crystal ones coming out ....anywho...time to start my japanese lessons again :P

PS Ed you nailed it on the dot ^_^ ::shakes fist::

[Ze_ro]

cool consoles in the uk??? what, the amstrad gx4000 or what?!?

Well, I think the Commodore 64GS was only released in Europe... I wouldn't mind having one of those babies. I agree with you though... Europe gets completely shafted. I still don't understand why there is such a huge delay before games/movies get released there.

And what's the situation with pre-NES classic games in Japan? I imagine early (or probably ANY) Atari stuff is hard to find there... did they get systems like the Odyssey^2, the Channel F, INTV, ColecoVision, and so on? They obviously got everything post-NES, but before that, it would seem that North America was the place to be.

We may not get the PC-FX, Wonderswan, SuperGrafx, Playdia or GP32, but I'd rather have all the Atari consoles anyways.

--Zero

[Ed Oscuro]

[quote=hydr0x]And what's the situation with pre-NES classic games in Japan? I imagine early (or probably ANY) Atari stuff is hard to find there... did they get systems like the Odyssey^2, the Channel F, INTV, ColecoVision, and so on? They obviously got everything post-NES, but before that, it would seem that North America was the place to be.

I've seen a Macross game for the Arcadia 2001 (Japanese model), and the Japanese Intellivision is one hella expensive machine, not sure about the Atari 2800. Besides that...well, the Famicom came out pretty early, so you've got around 6 years from 1977 to 1983 when the VG scene pretty much went mainstream over there.

[petewhitley]

We also pay less at retail for our systems/games than just about any other country.

[Half Japanese]

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[buttasuperb]

http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/action/metalgearworkingtitle/news_6087175.html

Stuff like this is what pisses me off. I would buy one of these if they were released over here.

Just buy one anyways. Isn't it easy to play games from all regions on a GC?

[youruglyclone]

FYI -- the US doesn't get the total shaft. There's no Zelda special disc here.

ooh we get one thing....big freaking deal nintendo might just pull a square and call it an "international" edition.


I think the international edition would be alright if it was just as the name implied...a version that is not domestic version(ff7 had extra bosses...so it didn't seem like a big deal). but no square just has to rub it in to gamers. take ffx-2 before the domestic version of that game came out in the states, an international+last mission is announced. how dare square even call it international version when it fact the only place it exists is japan (I don't recall the american version has a Coliseum mode where you can fight tidus and auron, and a freaking kimono dresssphere). At least with kingdom hearts they called it final mix so it didn't seem that deceptive.

you know what ultimately I'm pissed that japanese gamers get these games first...and then they get versions that are even better than ours a little later.

but hey that I guess it's more productive for me to learn japanese.

[brykasch]

Yes they get more LE systems and controllers and what not, but think about 2 things. Japanese games cost at least 10 dollars more than ours minimum. No rental of games over there. Well they are testing a system now, but you will never be able to go to a video store and rent games like we do over here. No used sales of games, unless that has changed. Plus they don't have crazy sales like we do for games either. And besides how many of us are gonna pony up 300 or so every time a LE system comes out? Maybe once. Hell we bithc about the price of consoles as it is. I wish we had more LE systems and bundles and what not, but as long as there are import stores I can't complain too much.

[kai123]

http://www.gamespot.com/gamecube/action/metalgearworkingtitle/news_6087175.html

Stuff like this is what pisses me off. I would buy one of these if they were released over here.

Just buy one anyways. Isn't it easy to play games from all regions on a GC?

I think I might pick one up it would just be easier and cheaper if it was released over here.

[SoulBlazer]

No used games in Japan? Why? I buy a lot of my games used. :hmm:

[Arrrhalomynn]

If only you (and other american gamers) knew how lucky you are to live in the united states.

Games and consoles in Europe a lot more expensive and it takes ages before they get a discount. I've read many a tale of people buying games for any of the three newest console for under 10 bucks. You can forget about that in Europe, it just won't happen. Even playstation games for less than 10 bucks are hard to find.

Most games and consoles that come from Japan or the USA get a release here months later. IF they get a release, which sometimes doesn't even happen. I know Europe has games the USA doesn't get, but there are a lot more games Europe doesn't get that the USA does get.

Classic gaming is even worse. There aren't a lot of specialized gaming stores here and the ones that are carry mostly the new stuff. If you're lucky they might have some nintendo64 or megadrive cartridges, but be prepared to pay double ebay prices for it.

In the 2 years I've been collecting I found less than 1 percent of my older games in the wild. All the rest had to come from ebay, message boards or specialized sites. And I know I'm not the only European gamer that is in this situation.

[hydr0x]

If only you (and other american gamers) knew how lucky you are to live in the united states.

Games and consoles in Europe a lot more expensive and it takes ages before they get a discount. I've read many a tale of people buying games for any of the three newest console for under 10 bucks. You can forget about that in Europe, it just won't happen. Even playstation games for less than 10 bucks are hard to find.

Most games and consoles that come from Japan or the USA get a release here months later. IF they get a release, which sometimes doesn't even happen. I know Europe has games the USA doesn't get, but there are a lot more games Europe doesn't get that the USA does get.

Classic gaming is even worse. There aren't a lot of specialized gaming stores here and the ones that are carry mostly the new stuff. If you're lucky they might have some nintendo64 or megadrive cartridges, but be prepared to pay double ebay prices for it.

In the 2 years I've been collecting I found less than 1 percent of my older games in the wild. All the rest had to come from ebay, message boards or specialized sites. And I know I'm not the only European gamer that is in this situation.

have to agree here, the wild nearly doesn't exist over here :(

but have to disagree about the prices, it's not impossible to get Gamecube/PS2/Xbox games under 10, bought several gamecube games for 5 euro sealed (Big Air Freestyle, NHL Hitz 2003...) and also a PS2 gem (Tenchu III Wrath of Heaven) although that one was a fault of the store, got ir for 5 euro two weeks BEFORE the official release LOL

i think your problem is that you live in the Netherlands :D seriously, i've been to the netherlands very very often in my life (i'm half dutch) and prices are insane!! pc's did cost about 50% more 5 years ago, not quite sure how it is right now, but it's clearly more expensive than in germany

[petewhitley]

Japan...No used sales of games, unless that has changed.

You can buy used games all over the place in Japan.

[§ Gideon §]

Everybody, stop your bitchin' because nobody here has it as bad as these guys (http://www.dkfortress.com/crap/xbox.html).

[Nature Boy]

I have to agree with our European gamers - they get the shaft *way* more than those of us in NA. I can't imagine waiting *longer* for stuff to get translated from Japanese than we already do.

I kind of envy the Japanese and I kind of don't. On the one hand they've got *so much more* than we do. On the other hand, I can't keep up with the volume we *do* get, so maybe it's good to be a Canadian gamer after all :)

[hydr0x]

Everybody, stop your bitchin' because nobody here has it as bad as these guys (http://www.dkfortress.com/crap/xbox.html).

LOL

[suppafly]

If only you (and other american gamers) knew how lucky you are to live in the united states.

Games and consoles in Europe a lot more expensive and it takes ages before they get a discount. I've read many a tale of people buying games for any of the three newest console for under 10 bucks. You can forget about that in Europe, it just won't happen. Even playstation games for less than 10 bucks are hard to find.

Most games and consoles that come from Japan or the USA get a release here months later. IF they get a release, which sometimes doesn't even happen. I know Europe has games the USA doesn't get, but there are a lot more games Europe doesn't get that the USA does get.

Classic gaming is even worse. There aren't a lot of specialized gaming stores here and the ones that are carry mostly the new stuff. If you're lucky they might have some nintendo64 or megadrive cartridges, but be prepared to pay double ebay prices for it.

In the 2 years I've been collecting I found less than 1 percent of my older games in the wild. All the rest had to come from ebay, message boards or specialized sites. And I know I'm not the only European gamer that is in this situation.


That sounds awfully similar to my collecting experiences in Mexico

[Ze_ro]

Japan...No used sales of games, unless that has changed.

You can buy used games all over the place in Japan.

I thought I remembered hearing that selling used games was illegal in Japan for some reason. Sounded weird to me, but Japan's done some other really weird stuff (Don't make me link to Water Closet), so who the hell knows?

--Zero

[petewhitley]

Japan...No used sales of games, unless that has changed.

You can buy used games all over the place in Japan.

I thought I remembered hearing that selling used games was illegal in Japan for some reason. Sounded weird to me, but Japan's done some other really weird stuff (Don't make me link to Water Closet), so who the hell knows?

--Zero

Hmmm... I'm not an expert on Japanese law, but I could personally take you to any number of shops in the Kansai area that sell used games. Some damn cool shops, I might add. I'm just pissed you can't buy magic mushrooms over-the-counter anymore. :eek 2:

[icbrkr]

Everybody, stop your bitchin' because nobody here has it as bad as these guys (http://www.dkfortress.com/crap/xbox.html).

ROFL

That's hilarious!

[Parodius]

In defense of Europe:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23056&highlight=paris+mecca

[anagrama]

I'm just pissed you can't buy magic mushrooms over-the-counter anymore. :eek 2:

Heh heh. There are some benefits to living in Europe... ;)

[hydr0x]

In defense of Europe:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23056&highlight=paris+mecca

oh yeah, that's ONE city in whole europe, woohoo, that's like LA was the only city in the US where you could buy a lot of games;)

[Parodius]

In defense of Europe:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=23056&highlight=paris+mecca

oh yeah, that's ONE city in whole europe, woohoo, that's like LA was the only city in the US where you could buy a lot of games;)

Yeah, but what a city!!!! :-P :-P

[brykasch]

Remember I said I thought it was illegal to sell used games. It may have changed since then maybe gaijin can help us on that.

[Predatorxs]

Hey

I live in the UK, and you have it all wrong (Europe and Japan get the best??) most if not all GC and Nintendo Magazines, always complain about how nintendo don't want to know europe, and there right. I'm a huge Nintendo fan and since 91 / 92' i'v always bought Nintendo NTSC / American systems. Purely for the fact the games are released far earlier than Pal versons, But i think the American consoles are better as well.. :-P

We have to wait forever for games to show up over here, it's normally a few months (4 or 5) after the american release.. The next crappy thing to happen, is that some of the best titles, don't make it over (to europe) cos' we might not get "THEM".. and the real reason, they won't take to chance on losing money!.

The Gamecube is by no means winning any 1st places prizes but it's in no way dead! in the UK

It sold crazy numbers in november and december (200,000) i don't have the exact numbers ( i'll leave that to zmweasel O_O ), but it was high, this was down to the price cut for the GC, as well as the new GC packages (Double Dash etc) on the run upto christmas.

Someone else mentioned the price of games they are too high, but it's been that way for along time..

When Rushing beat (Super famicom) was released i got it through an import dealer for £80 that was about $140 back then!! i know crazy, crazy i still kick my self, but at least i didn't pay £130 for the Jap version of Street fighter II, that was for the game only!!!!! @_@ @_@ @_@ But it was the Sh$t. and it was the first week of the JAP release. X_x

Things aren't that bad now for imports but, it shows we have had the sh$tty end of the stick!!

Lastly Nintendo Imports are illegal in the UK, No Jap or U.S games are allowed to be sold in any major (chain) store, if they do they lose the right to sell Nintendo products, this in a way is understandable (the lose of profit on pal games), but since not all GC Jap/US games get a europe / pal release where is the chance to play these games!?!?

XS

[petewhitley]

Remember I said I thought it was illegal to sell used games. It may have changed since then maybe gaijin can help us on that.

Yeah, I'm a gaijin, and I helped us out. ;) Obviously it's not illegal anymore, as they are sold everywhere at reputable shops.

[Atari7800]

I read somewhere that you can't RENT games in Japan... you have to buy them.

X_x

[Atari7800]

I read somewhere that you can't RENT games in Japan... you have to buy them.

X_x