Mame v0.80 released!

[zektor]

http://www.mame.net/downmain.html

[Flack]

Beat me to it, you devil you. I'll pick up the new ROMs in the newsgroups.

[IntvGene]

Mod or not, you can't beat Zektor to the MAME updates. :)

I can't keep up with them personally, but like to keep up with them and at least see what's new in each version.

[zektor]

Ehh, it's really hard now for me to keep up on anything, but if I see an update here and there that isn't already posted, I'll let you folks know :)

[Flack]

Beat me to it, you devil you. I'll pick up the new ROMs in the newsgroups.

I'm getting them all now, looks like there are about 100. I'm also getting the new titles and the new bios files.

[digitalpress]

Beat me to it, you devil you. I'll pick up the new ROMs in the newsgroups.

I'm getting them all now, looks like there are about 100. I'm also getting the new titles and the new bios files.

Are you using alt.binaries.emulators.mame or alt.binaries.emulator.misc? I see BIOS but not 100 updated ROMs.

[zektor]

The roms have been uploaded to the groups throughout the past few weeks. The thing is that there were 4 unofficial Mame releases since 0.79 (0.79u1 - 0.79u4) and games were added and changed through all of those versions. The latest Mame reflects all of those changes. Best bet to get a full romset in the future is to just download all the new and changed roms that come up every other day/week, leave them in the download folder, then do your clrmame rebuild using that folder when the public release appears. This way you don't have the worry of hunting down all of these roms. I had a full set for Mame 0.80 about 5 minutes after I downloaded it :)

[NE146]

Mod or not, you can't beat Zektor to the MAME updates. :)

I had it a couple of days ago :D

[Flack]

Are you using alt.binaries.emulators.mame or alt.binaries.emulator.misc? I see BIOS but not 100 updated ROMs.

a.b.e.mame. There was a flood called ".79 to .80 upgrade". Here's the list:

Directory of J:\alt.binaries.emulators.mame

(Roms)

03/06/2004 09:18 PM 147,282 MAME Titles 20040306.zip
03/06/2004 09:18 PM 922,870 title_80.zip
03/06/2004 09:21 PM 3,878,399 3countb.zip
03/06/2004 09:21 PM 644,123 area51.zip
03/06/2004 09:21 PM 643,787 area51a.zip
03/06/2004 09:21 PM 34,406 atetrsb2.zip
03/06/2004 09:21 PM 126,033 atpsx.zip
03/06/2004 09:21 PM 298,270 battlegc.zip
03/06/2004 09:23 PM 9,678,294 aof3.zip
03/06/2004 09:24 PM 18,313 bongo.zip
03/06/2004 09:24 PM 19,880 botanic.zip
03/06/2004 09:24 PM 1,567,826 botss.zip
03/06/2004 09:25 PM 1,954,669 brvblade.zip
03/06/2004 09:25 PM 18,077 bullsdrt.zip
03/06/2004 09:26 PM 697,994 cbaj.zip
03/06/2004 09:26 PM 706,915 dcheese.zip
03/06/2004 09:26 PM 17,968 digdug.zip
03/06/2004 09:26 PM 8,965 digduga1.zip
03/06/2004 09:26 PM 17,801 digdugb.zip
03/06/2004 09:26 PM 8,965 dzigzag.zip
03/06/2004 09:27 PM 1,607,198 f15se.zip
03/06/2004 09:27 PM 32,810 fx.zip
03/06/2004 09:27 PM 14,164 galaga.zip
03/06/2004 09:27 PM 14,087 galagamk.zip
03/06/2004 09:27 PM 13,403 galagao.zip
03/06/2004 09:27 PM 10,131 gallag.zip
03/06/2004 09:27 PM 5,447 gatsbee.zip
03/06/2004 09:28 PM 2,367,266 goalx3.zip
03/06/2004 09:28 PM 13,967,325 blazstar.zip
03/06/2004 09:28 PM 14,073 hunchbkg.zip
03/06/2004 09:30 PM 3,822,188 gslugrsj.zip
03/06/2004 09:30 PM 518,488 kotm2.zip
03/06/2004 09:30 PM 78,583 ksayakyu.zip
03/06/2004 09:30 PM 60,775 kungfuta.zip
03/06/2004 09:31 PM 1,002,278 lastblad.zip
03/06/2004 09:31 PM 162,515 lethalej.zip
03/06/2004 09:31 PM 5,785,332 kabukikl.zip
03/06/2004 09:31 PM 15,348 madalien.zip
03/06/2004 09:33 PM 5,226,136 lethalen.zip
03/06/2004 09:33 PM 86,675 mjelct3.zip
03/06/2004 09:34 PM 87,892 mjelct3a.zip
03/06/2004 09:34 PM 4,542,022 magdrop3.zip
03/06/2004 09:34 PM 627,119 mjelctrn.zip
03/06/2004 09:34 PM 152,412 mtlchmpu.zip
03/06/2004 09:36 PM 4,289,254 neobombe.zip
03/06/2004 09:37 PM 6,541,080 mslug.zip
03/06/2004 09:37 PM 1,309,837 neruton.zip
03/06/2004 09:38 PM 4,289,172 neodrift.zip
03/06/2004 09:38 PM 4,019 polepos1.zip
03/06/2004 09:38 PM 1,644 polepos2.zip
03/06/2004 09:38 PM 6,392 polepos.zip
03/06/2004 09:38 PM 3,342 poleposa.zip
03/06/2004 09:38 PM 5,553 poleps2b.zip
03/06/2004 09:38 PM 128,510 psarc95.zip
03/06/2004 09:41 PM 5,683,658 psyfrcex.zip
03/06/2004 09:43 PM 11,908,667 ninjamas.zip
03/06/2004 09:43 PM 140,880 quaquiz2.zip
03/06/2004 09:43 PM 18,477 quasar.zip
03/06/2004 09:43 PM 1,056 quasara.zip
03/06/2004 09:45 PM 3,973,357 quiz365.zip
03/06/2004 09:46 PM 9,611,136 pulstar.zip
03/06/2004 09:48 PM 4,273,377 quiz365t.zip
03/06/2004 09:55 PM 14,761,781 ragnagrd.zip
03/06/2004 09:55 PM 18,485,260 radikalb.zip
03/06/2004 09:55 PM 214,302 s1945a.zip
03/06/2004 10:01 PM 10,966,826 samsho3.zip
03/06/2004 10:01 PM 1,187,733 samsho3a.zip
03/06/2004 10:02 PM 13,782,120 rbffspec.zip
03/06/2004 10:02 PM 8,546 sfevrbwa.zip
03/06/2004 10:08 PM 13,391,436 samsho4.zip
03/06/2004 10:08 PM 12,754,903 shngmtkb.zip
03/06/2004 10:08 PM 3,295 skykid.zip
03/06/2004 10:08 PM 3,299 skykidd.zip
03/06/2004 10:09 PM 2,796,370 sonicwi3.zip
03/06/2004 10:11 PM 2,643,800 soulclba.zip
03/06/2004 10:12 PM 2,644,096 soulclbr.zip
03/06/2004 10:12 PM 7,297 spacefva.zip
03/06/2004 10:12 PM 7,894 spacelnc.zip
03/06/2004 10:15 PM 4,895,256 speedup.zip
03/06/2004 10:15 PM 14,521,550 shocktro.zip
03/06/2004 10:15 PM 230,970 sslama.zip
03/06/2004 10:15 PM 209,639 sstrikra.zip
03/06/2004 10:16 PM 1,245,013 stankatk.zip
03/06/2004 10:16 PM 247,600 stvbios.zip
03/06/2004 10:19 PM 9,319,520 ssideki4.zip
03/06/2004 10:19 PM 22,941 talbot.zip
03/06/2004 10:19 PM 481 targ.zip
03/06/2004 10:19 PM 16,978 timeplta.zip
03/06/2004 10:19 PM 176,541 tmntua.zip

(MAME)

03/06/2004 10:22 PM 5,704,172 mame080b.zip

(Bios)

03/06/2004 10:22 PM 122,198 acpsx.zip
03/06/2004 10:22 PM 122,057 Copy(1) of atpsx.zip
03/06/2004 10:22 PM 121,581 cpzn1.zip
03/06/2004 10:22 PM 133,896 cpzn2.zip
03/06/2004 10:22 PM 1,867 cvs.zip
03/06/2004 10:22 PM 4,596 decocass.zip
03/06/2004 10:22 PM 8,169 konamigx.zip
03/06/2004 10:22 PM 48,222 megaplay.zip
03/06/2004 10:22 PM 8,174 megatech.zip
03/06/2004 10:22 PM 230,972 neogeo.zip
03/06/2004 10:22 PM 32,713 nss.zip
03/06/2004 10:23 PM 1,963,700 pgm.zip
03/06/2004 10:23 PM 14,712 playch10.zip
03/06/2004 10:23 PM 599,687 skns.zip
03/06/2004 10:24 PM 1,743,041 Copy(1) of stvbios.zip
03/06/2004 10:24 PM 122,146 taitofx1.zip
03/06/2004 10:24 PM 134,525 tps.zip
03/06/2004 10:25 PM 17,532,148 surfplnt.zip
03/06/2004 10:25 PM 2,669,265 turfmast.zip
03/06/2004 10:27 PM 3,698,372 whp.zip
03/06/2004 10:28 PM 532,245 wiggie.zip
03/06/2004 10:28 PM 6,775,169 wakuwak7.zip
110 File(s) 280,682,989 bytes
2 Dir(s) 6,885,224,448 bytes free

If you guys want, I can throw this up on an FTP or something.

[Ze_ro]

Do you guys actually keep up with all the MAME releases? Most of the new ones don't really do anything I need (I'm certainly not going to be able to play Driver's Edge, Radikal Bikers, or any of the other new games on my K6), so I usually wait a while between releases. Still using 0.78 at the moment.

The Namco update sounds interesting though.

--Zero

[ddockery]

I stay current, just for the simple fact that the longer you wait, the harder it is the find the roms you need. This way, 10 releases from now when I buy a faster machine, I don't have to hunt for roms to check out the stuff that was too slow on the old machine.

[digitalpress]

I stay current, just for the simple fact that the longer you wait, the harder it is the find the roms you need. This way, 10 releases from now when I buy a faster machine, I don't have to hunt for roms to check out the stuff that was too slow on the old machine.

Ditto. I totally stay on top of it. And you're right - a PC upgrade or a fix to the emulation itself and games that used to work like slide shows are suddenly playable. Sega's Rad Mobile comes to mind as a recent example.

[Flack]

I am going to try and stay on top of it a little more for three reasons. One, I'm now moderating this forum. Two, I'm running the MAME Club. And three, I now have a MAME cabinet that I want to keep up to date!

[Flack]

ftp - 68.12.156.214:9001
l/p: mame/club

Mame .80 roms, bios, and binaries. I'll leave it up for about 48 hours.

[NE146]

Might want to check your user directory permissions :)


[R] Opening data connection IP: 68.12.156.214 PORT: 2239
[R] LIST
[R] 150 Data connection accepted from 24.16.106.213:2757; transfer starting.
[R] 226 Transfer ok
[R] List Complete: 210 bytes in 1.19 (0.17 KBps)
[R] CWD Mame .80 Titles
[R] 550 CWD failed. No permission
[R] CWD Mame .80 Titles
[R] 550 CWD failed. No permission
[R] CWD Mame .80 BIOS and ROMS
[R] 550 CWD failed. No permission
[R] CWD Mame .80
[R] 550 CWD failed. No permission
[R] CWD Mame .80
[R] 550 CWD failed. No permission

[jonjandran]

Password denied for me to. :o

[kainemaxwell]

the MAME32 ver out for it yet?

[zektor]

the MAME32 ver out for it yet?

Sure is. Grab it at www.zophar.net to avoid having to log into Gamespy to download it from the official site :)

[Flack]

FTP fixed, with MAME32 in the directory as well.

MAME on!

[kainemaxwell]

Still having issues trying to get on.

[rxd]

I'm not able to get on either....

[Flack]

Make sure you guys are changing the FTP port from 21 to 9001. You can do that by either putting in the address as 68.12.156.214:9001, or your FTP software may have a separate area for putting in the port.

I just tested it from two different off site locations and it's working fine.

[jonjandran]

It's working fine now...

Thanks !!!! :D

[kainemaxwell]

Working fine for me now. Are those roms in there all the updated/revised ones for this version?

[AB Positive]

just looking through the list, I'm a bit shocked. They just now got to metal slug 1, SamSho 3...? Last Blade? I thought all these were already emulated since KoF 2003 took about three weeks. Or does Mame have a sort of 'wait' period for games that come out to prevent stealing money from arcades?

That said, an interesting update for certain but I think the last time I really used mame it was back in .64 lol

-AG

[ddockery]

Metal Slug 1 wasn't added, it's been there for years now, but a lot of the neo geo rom sets just changed in this release. MAME does have a wait period, but it's either 1 or 2 years, I forget which. I'm pretty confident Metal Slug is even in the .64 version you mentioned.

[Flack]

They're doing 2 years now. I hope they don't keep increasing that number. Soon it'll be 25 years and all MAME will play is Pong. That'll solve any compatibility issues ...

[ddockery]

No, then it woudn't do anthing because Pong can only be simultaed and not emulated...

[zektor]

On an off note, there was a version of Mame not too long ago that came pre-compiled with a Pong simulation. It was pretty cool but was canned since it wasn't really an "emulated" game.

[kingpong]

They're doing 2 years now. I hope they don't keep increasing that number. Soon it'll be 25 years and all MAME will play is Pong. That'll solve any compatibility issues ...

3 years is a better way to think of it now. Last year it was decided that to clear up the confusion on what a year based rule would mean (since the release date of a game is rarely known), games wouldn't be added until the end of the year that they reach the age required by the year based rule. For example, a game released in 2000 wouldn't be considered for inclusion until Jan 1 2003, whether that meant it was 2 years old or 2 years 364 days old. I use a past example since the 2001 games are another story...

More recently, due to the whining caused when the 3 year rule was followed and the 2001 games removed a few releases ago, the rule is only somewhat jokingly considered 3 years + a few months everytime somebody asks when the 2001 games are going to be added. Sadly this appears to be the result of several of the main MAME contributors (especially David Haywood now that he is the maintainer) going through the typical emu developer burnout when they tire of the sc3n3 and the romz kiddiez and lamerz acting all l33t and pestering them for stuff. Instead of following the previously understood guidelines (though obviously never "rules") and shutting up the whiners, they prefer to antagonize the whiners and change the "rules". Though I don't particularly care if the 2001 games are included (not like I have a legal claim to the roms anyways), I find rather annoying when a supposedly mostly open source project is shown to be a closed source project controlled by an oligarchy who acts upon their whims - see the initation of the "U" releases this past year as an example (supposedly done to increase testing of changes, but conveniently timed to sneak in some Dragon Ball Z games under the radar of the romz kiddiez that had been whining about them).

But getting off my soapbox and moving beyond the year based rule, there are other factors that come into play. MAME won't include games if they are still earning significant money in arcades (don't want to tick off the few remaining manufacturers), such as most of the Golden Tee games and the DDR games. MAME won't include games where the emulation of a game on that platform would make it trivial to enable the emulation of other games on that platform that aren't old enough or are still making money (again, Golden Tee and DDR fall into this category - NeoGeo is a touchy one...). There's a general tendency to be reluctant to include anything that can draw the wrong type of attention to the project, like the Simpsons bowling game might. Other than a few oddball cases here and there (Rapid Fire not being included at Hanaho's request; the Rock'n Tread games not being included due to the ROM dumps not really being dumps but binary files straight from the developer), I think that about covers the "rules" about including games in MAME.

[Flack]

Wow, thanks for the information! When I hear people complaining about the newer games being dropped from MAME I always think ... wow, have they already beaten the 4000+ games it DOES support? I probably wouldn't know any 2001 or newer arcade games anyway. Everytime I fire up MAME, the last game played is usually Yie-Ar Kung-Fu, Excitebike, or something like that. I cherish pre-1985 a lot more than post 2001 games.

[ddockery]

What's the deal w/ the Simpsons bowling game? I haven't heard about that one?

[kingpong]

What's the deal w/ the Simpsons bowling game? I haven't heard about that one?

As of early January it was ready to go with the exception of hooking up the controls. Due to WIP postings leading up to that point there had been a bunch of whining about it, lots of questions about when it was going to be included were being asked, annoying the driver developer. Then seeing how the questions weren't necessarily being asked by the everyday romz kiddiez but perhaps by more Simpsons fanboys (like was the case with the DBZ games), there seemed to be some fear that including the game may bring in a new user base that wouldn't know to keep things fairly quiet to avoid legal attention. Add in the fact that this was a Fox property and they are known to go after smaller things than this, and the result is that not much has been said about the game this year. If the game didn't have a Simpsons license I'm certain it would have been included by now, but the Simpsons name appears to have scared the MAME powers that be. I don't believe that anybody has explicitly said that the above is the reason the game has been left out, but reading between the lines of MAMEDEV posts about the game you can see it - adding this game might bring in the wrong crowd.

(And yes, there is already the old Simpsons game in MAME, so it isn't just the license that causes the problem, but the publicity that comes with adding a game)

[kainemaxwell]

I got those bios for like galaga and the like from the ftp but nothing's working...??

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

I cherish pre-1985 a lot more than post 2001 games.
Amen.

But I still don't see Change Lanes. Somebody call me when they've added that game.