Final Fantasy X-Stupid

[WiseSalesman]

Alright, who wants to tell me what tha hell's up with THIS? (http://www.ff8source.com/news_games_045.htm)

"Final Fantasy Ten Two".....hell, that doesn't even make any sense. And since when does square continue a storyline after the game is over? You know what....thsi is really pissing me off, and it's irritating me even more that I can't explain why. How does everyone else feel about "FFX-2"?

[moycon]

The phrase "pissed off" doesn't come to mind when I think about FFX-2. What is there to be pissed off about??? I was pretty pissed about Sept.11 and now this coward sniper guy is pissing me off.... But pissed off at the anouncement of a video game??? No sir.

I guess I'm interested in the new features like climbing and jumping and such. I think that'll enhance the game. Really not enough info to judge exactly. Any FF is welcome in my opinion... as long as the game is fun to play.

[michael]

The phrase, "umm okay?" springs to mind

[theaveng]

I *loved* FF10 (despite it being too easy). I can't wait for Part 10.2. I hear the reason Square made the game is because they are in financial trouble.

P.S. I'd like to see sequels to FF9 and FF6 too. And of course, Chrono Trigger/Cross. Or maybe just updated versions... same story, PS2 graphics.

[digitalpress]

@Wise: I thought the same thing about "Mega Man X 2" but eventually it all came together. Sequels based on the storylines of a particular game within a series is what it is.

[kainemaxwell]

Well considering the new ending of the International Version of F10 a new game was bound to happen.

Won't reveal spiloers unless asked.

[WiseSalesman]

@DP: But is it really the same thing? All the MegaMan games flowed in a chain as direct sequels, and MegaMan X was a side story to start, sure. But it's not like they had established a pattern of incontinuity the way Final Fantasy has. Maybe we never expected a MegaMan X2, but there was certainly no reason for surprise or shock when one came out.

@Moycon: I'd appreciate if you wouldn't be so condescending. Of course the events you mentioned make one angry, but do you expect me to believe that you've never been upset because your favorite football team fumbled, or you lost at a video game, or maybe because someone outbid you on ebay? Just because this particular event doesn't involve the loss of life doesn't mean one can't be angry about it. I've been playing Final Fantasy since the very first one. It's what got me into RPGs, and what made me a gamer instead of a casual player. As such, the series, the company, and its fate are very important to me. I think that gives me the right to be angry about a decision that I don't personally agree with.

Please understand; the above is not a flame, I'm just trying to get you to see where I'm coming from, and view things from my perspective. If you don't feel the same way about the decision, even if you feel exactly the opposite, you are entitled to your opinion. However, I want you to understand why I feel I can be angry about this.

EDIT: Oh, and I wanted to add that I do understand your position, and I certainly am also interested to see how the new mechanics will add to gameplay. I just don't like the idea of them having more than one FF based within the same universe.

[theaveng]

Well considering the new ending of the International Version of F10 a new game was bound to happen. Won't reveal spiloers unless asked.



Reveal. What's the difference between the two endings of FF10?
Troy

[scooterb23]

Ok, so let me get this straight...this is the second part, of the tenth installment of a game called FINAL Fantasy???

[michael]

Ok, so let me get this straight...this is the second part, of the tenth installment of a game called FINAL Fantasy???
Well that's irony for ya. :lol:

[Queen Of The Felines]

I actually like the idea. I haven't played part X yet so I don't know if it would be a good idea for that particular game, but as was mentioned earlier I'd love to see a "continuation" of parts IV or VI or even VII myself.

Kristine

[moycon]

I'd appreciate if you wouldn't be so condescending

Ooops my bad, I thought you had requested replies as to what others thought about this....I posted what I thought. Next time just PM me with what you want me to reply with and I'll do so post haste. :P

On the one hand this game does break a long running tradition... on the other hand there have been plenty of FF in the past where I would have loved to have continued with a particular character... I dunno. Things changes, All I'm saying is I wouldn't get too pissed about a game that you havent even seen in action yet....reserve that anger for rush hour traffic. Plus Yuna packin heat is kinda hot.

[briskbc]

This is kind of like Need for Speed Hot Pursuit 2 which really is Need for Speed III 2. I guess this is the evolution of games. If you have a franchise where each game is a little different with each installment then why not milk a good release. Personally I don't mind as long as the game is good and they don't start to follow Capcom's lead a squeeze every single franchise utill it's a vapid re-hash of the games that have come before it.

Long story short. Gimme a good game and I'm happy.

[moycon]

Just how popular was FFX? I liked the game.... I got kinda ticked at parts where you would watch a 5 minute FMV then move around for about 4 minutes and have to sit thru another 10 minute FMV. I also thought the game was a little too linear. Maybe they spent so much $$$ on the game and had a ton of unused sequences that they figured they would recoup some of the cash churning out a sequel?? Or maybe it was just so popular that they figured it warrented a sequel. In any case I guess I'll reserve an opinion till more information comes forth.

[WiseSalesman]

Ooops my bad, I thought you had requested replies as to what others thought about this....

:? Err....yes. I wanted opinions on this new final fantasy coming out, and I got them. They're truthful, they represent what you think, and I appreciate that. Thank you all.

I could've done without you telling me I'm not allowed to be angry about it, however. Quite frankly, I have the right to be angry about whatever I want. If I want to be angry about the tide coming in, fine. I may not be able to change it, but I'm allowed to let it anger me. That's all I'm saying. Once again, thank you for your opinions. Please continue to post in this discussion (if the duscussion continues) as you present an excellent viewpoint, and let's get back to talking about FF. :)

[theaveng]

Just how popular was FFX?

According to sales figures, FF10 is about as popular as FF9, but less popular than FF8 and FF7.

Troy

[kainemaxwell]

All of FF X is one flashback after another anyhow, and I do agree it's too linear and the movies are good, except there's way too many of them and not enough action like in say, FF7-9. And the Sphere System sucks.

Here's the script on the extra ending of FF X International which most likely leads into X part 2.:
http://www.rpgplanet.com/ff9/ff10/extraending2.shtml

[digitalpress]

Maybe we never expected a MegaMan X2, but there was certainly no reason for surprise or shock when one came out..

I was less surprised to see a Final Fantasy X2 than I was to see a Mega Man X2. Maybe because "it's been done", or maybe because after seeing the ending of Final Fantasy X it just seemed like it was gonna happen one way or another anyway (and XI looked like it wasn't going to cross the storyline).

Anyway, maybe it's just me but I don't see what all the hubbub is about on this.

[theaveng]

That was the ending? That looks like the *beginning* of the new FF10.2

[Sylentwulf]

I think it's Stupid, and I'm with Wisesalesman. From what I understand, this is Yuna, in an action/rpg game? I hated FFX to begin with (With the exception of Auron of course) and the fact that they're following it up with a cheesy aciotn game based on Yuna of all people just blows my mind.

[Tritoch]

Personally, I'm extremely excited. I've always wanted to continue the adventures of the FF characters I've grown to know after I've beaten each game (except perhaps FFVIII and Squeal...errr...Squall), and never been able to. FINALLY I'll be able to follow-up a FF with a sequel that tells what happens after you save the world. It's a bonus that it just happens to be a sequel to my 2nd favorite FF yet (after FFVI of course...Tritoch's an esper!).

[theaveng]

FF10 is your second favorite? Not FF7 or FF9?

FF7 *did* say what happened after you saved the world. Remember the end credits where it says, "500 years later" and shows Red13 and kids inspecting the repaired damage where the meteorite hit? i.e. Everything worked out great!

[kainemaxwell]

Not really..never showed what happened to Cloud, Tifa or anyone else!

[geelw]

[quote="WiseSalesman"]...since when does square continue a storyline after the game is over?[quote]

ff 1 & 2 (famicom) were one continued story. we never got the second part. in fact, ff2 & 3 are the only two u.s. fans haven't seen released here. what pisses ME off is squaresoft has done ff 1-4, front mission, hanjuku hero, a couple of chocobo games, romancing saga and a new saga rpg, and a couple of other games for the wonderswan (!) in japan, and have no intention of bringing them out here at all. not that the ws would survive a day against the gba, but if these games were ported to the system or resources put toward redoing some of these for the ps2 or game cube, some of us wouldn't be sick of hearing about YET another ff game...

square is most likely afraid to try something new, in respect to introducing different types of rpgs to ff fans. based on the reactions some of their other games have gotten from hardheaded ff diehards, it's no wonder. from working in a game shop, i've heard folks call vagrant story "boring", front mission 3 "a rip off of tactics", and threads of fate "too silly"... :roll:

[Tritoch]

FF10 is your second favorite? Not FF7 or FF9?

FF7 *did* say what happened after you saved the world. Remember the end credits where it says, "500 years later" and shows Red13 and kids inspecting the repaired damage where the meteorite hit? i.e. Everything worked out great!

My order of preference (because I know you ALL care):

Final Fantasy VI
Final Fantasy X
Final Fantasy VII
Final Fantasy IV
Final Fantasy IX
Final Fantasy I
Final Fantasy VIII

I thought FFVII was too much of a departure from the series when it first came out, but the more I look back on it the more I realize how great it was. If it didn't force you to be stuck in Midgar (my least favorite part) for so long it'd probably be #2. FFIX was a fun "return to it's roots" kind of game, but it never really moved me the way the others did. I go into every RPG looking to be touched and moved emotionally, whether it be sadness (Aeris), pure joy & fun (Skies of Arcadia), or to tears. IV and I were too far behind the technology curve (my first RPG was Chrono Trigger) for me to fully appreciate them once I played them. VIII was too drawn out, the summons were too long, the plot was plodding, and Squall was a character I just couldn't like. I plan on re-playing FFVIII one day when I get the time though, because it's possible I was just burned out on FF by then.

I've never played FF II, III, or V (other than a few minutes via emulation).

I'm talking about a full-blown sequel that brings back most of the characters in an all-new adventure, not a blurb tacked onto the end of the game. :D

[kainemaxwell]

FF2 for the NES is a depature from how we know FF to me really mainly cause the battle system is alot different. Mainly your characters weapons and armor are the same in the game- they get stronger as you make kills on enemies or get hit by enemy attacks.


FF3 for the NES is old school FF at it's finest and introduces the job system, the Cid and other FF elements we know now and love.

[theaveng]

[quote="WiseSalesman"]...since when does square continue a storyline after the game is over?[quote]

ff 1 & 2 (famicom) were one continued story. we never got the second part.


Ahhh! Now I understand why Square released as FF1 & 2 bundle in Japan. (It uses updated PS2 sprite graphics.) They would naturally go together. Now if Square would just bring these FF1/2 "Special Edition" games over here, we could all be happy!

Troy

[kainemaxwell]

FF1 and 2 for the Famicom really had nothing to do with each other...

[kobunheatforum]

Kaine's right, the two games have nothing to do with each other. I mean, unless there's some reference to the Hikari no Senshi tucked somewhere in FF2. And I don't think there is.

So, why did Square release FF1&2? Because the series was getting very popular and there weren't enough used copies of the original games to go around. So they shoved them both on to one oversized (as in dimensions) cart, included a strategy guide in the box, and there ya go. It was released in 1994 and was one of the last big Famicom games. Certainly Square's last.

I believe Square's Wonderswan support has all but officially stopped now that they're on the Game Boy Advance. And... do you really think they WON'T bring FF1 and 2 to the GBA? Come on now... I bet the PS1 games will come to the US too, but they'll probably wait until FF3 comes out as well. Not that it's been announced... but do you really think they won't? ^_^

Oh, and just so I stay on topic, yes, FFX-2 does sound like a silly idea and does end the series' long-running tradition. But hell, it'll probably be a decent game. And I like Yuna's pants. Maybe they'll give Rikku a similar redesign, although I fail to see how she could look any MORE like a jailbait sex toy than she did in the first game. At least this game takes place 2 years in the future so she's 17 and I don't have to feel QUITE so bad about myself.

[theaveng]

I'm not talking about a FF1 & 2 cart. I'm talking about a PS2 DVD with enhanced graphics. It will be released in Japan shortly and looks really awesome (for 2D).



Rikku was 15 in FF10? I guessed 13 or 14. So, Rikku and Yuna are almost the same age. (I didn't feel guilty about admiring Rikku. A female with breasts IS a woman... I don't care what the law says.)
Troy

[MankeyMan]

FF10 is your second favorite? Not FF7 or FF9?

FF7 *did* say what happened after you saved the world. Remember the end credits where it says, "500 years later" and shows Red13 and kids inspecting the repaired damage where the meteorite hit? i.e. Everything worked out great!

I'd like to thankyou for spoiling the ending of this game for me by hitting you several times in the face. With a pick-axe. Next time, write

SPOILERS

before revealing the ending of a game, or next time you mention you are playing a game, I will e-mail the ending of it so many times that it will fill your inbox and crashes your hosts server.[/b]

[maxlords]

Personally, I feel that the whole post-SNES FF series is complete shite. Now, keep in mind that I haven't played FFX yet, as I don't feel any desire to buy it after playing 7, 8, and 9 and hating every one of them with a burning passion. I played thru FF 1, FF 4, FF5, and FF6 and I loved them all, but I felt that the whole series took a wrong turn after it's move to the PSX. It's all flash and no substance. Now, the plots weren't great in the SNES ones, but they had their bits of excitement, such as the opera and the sad fates of the twins in FF4.

But once the series moved to PSX, the stories took a backseat. FFVII was boring, pure and simple. I was a big FF fan then, so I got it and played it, thinking "Oh, it'll pick up". Sure it was pretty and the summons were kinda cool, but most of the time I was wandering around bored waiting for stuff to happen. And there was a LOT of wandering! And then I figured, well, they were just nuts when they made FFVII, so VIII will be better! WRONG! I hated FFVIII even more, as the story was barely coherent, the main character was an angsty bitch, and the game was long, but TEDIOUS! So I say, ok, no more FFs! Then FFIX comes out with the "Crystals come back!" tagline! I think to myself, "Cool! A return to the original FF style! Elemental bosses, crystals, fantasy!" But no, no damned crystals at all, a lame plot, and the same tediousness of FFVII and FFVIII! Ok, one bloody crystal shows up at the very end, but that sure as HELL doesn't justify the adverts! Anyway, now that I've been burned 3 times by square, I've simply lost interest in any of their games. I didn't buy FFX and probably won't, and I couldn't care less about anything new they put out unless its a wide departure from the FF series/style. I did like Vagrant Story and FF Tactics, however, so I MIGHT give Square a chance again someday, but probably not much of one. I've just lost the taste for where their games are going.

And before you mention Kingdom Hearts, I must say, I despise Disney as well, so I don't want anything to do with that game either!

</two cents worth>

[theaveng]

It's not necessary to put Spoiler Warnings on a game that's 5 years old. Jeez. I guess you want me to not tell you the ~60-yr-old movie with Citizen Kane's final words "Rosebud" refer to his childhood sled???

I can understand putting spoiler warnings on new games like FF10, but not everything. Otherwise, EVERY message on this board would have a spoiler warning. The rule in TV newsgroups is that anything older than a year does not require a warning. The same rule should apply here for games.



SPOILER FOR STAR TREK 2 (just in case you're a total loser who hasn't seen it yet... even though its been out 20 fucking years!!!):

Spock dies.

[WiseSalesman]

err, thanks.

Impeccable timing, theaveng. I had literally just borrowed a copy of "Citizen Kane" from a friend, after seeing it made number one on a certain "Top 100 Movies" list on the 'net, and was going to watch it later tonite or tomorrow. Is there even any point in seeing it anymore?

[moycon]

Spock.... Died in part 2????

[kobunheatforum]

theaveng: Okay, I just checked back and that is indeed what you are referring to. Of course, you're a little off. Square's releasing FF1 and FF2 this Thursday, the 31st, for the Playstation 1, not 2. The games are nearly identical to the Wonderswan Color remakes, except for new CG movies at the beginning (and end?) of each. The games will be sold seperately for 3800 yen each, or together in a "Premium Package" with little Lego-like figures of Fighter, Black Mage, and Red Mage for 7800 yen. The two-disc soundtrack came out on the 23rd and the music sounds even nicer than the new graphics look...


WiseSalesman: That was quite bad timing, yes, but if you think the only reason to watch a film is to find out how it ends...

[NvrMore]

It's not necessary to put Spoiler Warnings on a game that's 5 years old.

This is a Classic Gaming Board, meaning that the majority of people here will have some interest in classic games and will be playing through many of those which they never got to play the first time around, often under the reccomendation of others on the board, thus the game is new to that person and the ending is just as important to them as the ending of any new game, irrespective of the age of the game.


I can understand putting spoiler warnings on new games like FF10, but not everything.

Why?!, what makes FF10's story more important than one of the older FF games, it can't be age because that certainly doesn't dictate the quality of a game's storyline. To a person who hasn't played the older game and the newer game but who wishes to, other than personal preference there is nothing to place a higher value on either of the games ending and thus unmarked spoilers on either would be equally damaging, thus spoilers regarding key storyline elements or game endings should always be marked.

Ruining the ending of a old game / movie for someone who hasn't played it is exactly the same as ruining the ending of a new game / Movie.


The rule in TV newsgroups is that anything older than a year does not require a warning. The same rule should apply here for games.

This is not a TV Newsgroup, this is a Classic Gaming Board, you don't make the rules and you should be mature enough to respect the rights of others to choose whether or not they want to read spoilers.

[kainemaxwell]

Besides, by now most gamers may know of the strengths and weaknesses of the nes, snes, psx and ps2 FF titles also.