attn mods: DO WE NEED TO USE SPOILER WARNINGS?

[theaveng]

Okay. The hyper-critical members of this board are now *attacking* me because I don't use spoiler warnings.

So MODERATORS: [Please] Make a ruling. Are we supposed to be using "spoiler warnings" when we discuss old games like Final Fantasy 7 or Super Mario World?



Troy

[Tempest]

What we really need is a no whining zone...

Tempest

[Arrrhalomynn]

I'm leaving because I'm getting sick of it

WOOHOO!

[Raedon]

If so, I'm leaving because I'm getting sick of it.

Man, is it Christmas already?

[NvrMore]

Oh good, the innocent victim act again.. :roll:

MankeyMan had a right to be annoyed with you and his remark was lighthearted at most, yet you're trying to make a big deal out of it in yet another attempt to portray yourself as the poor victim.

So..



It's not necessary to put Spoiler Warnings on a game that's 5 years old.

This is a Classic Gaming Board, meaning that the majority of people here will have some interest in classic games and will be playing through many of those which they never got to play the first time around, often under the reccomendation of others on the board, thus the game is new to that person and the ending is just as important to them as the ending of any new game, irrespective of the age of the game.


I can understand putting spoiler warnings on new games like FF10, but not everything.

Why?!, what makes FF10's story more important than one of the older FF games, it can't be age because that certainly doesn't dictate the quality of a game's storyline. To a person who hasn't played the older game and the newer game but who wishes to, other than personal preference there is nothing to place a higher value on either of the games ending and thus unmarked spoilers on either would be equally damaging, thus spoilers regarding key storyline elements or game endings should always be marked.

Ruining the ending of a old game / movie for someone who hasn't played it is exactly the same as ruining the ending of a new game / Movie.


The rule in TV newsgroups is that anything older than a year does not require a warning. The same rule should apply here for games.

This is not a TV Newsgroup, this is a Classic Gaming Board, you don't make the rules and you should be mature enough to respect the rights of others to choose whether or not they want to read spoilers.

All the way from the original thread where you started all this, yet just as relevant here..

[moycon]

*sniff*

[Arcade Antics]

Okay. The hyper-critical members of this board are now *attacking* me because I don't use spoiler warnings.

So MODERATORS: Make a ruling. Are we supposed to be using "spoiler warnings" when we discuss old games like Final Fantasy 7 or Super Mario World?

Troy, if you even need to ask, a good rule of thumb is to go ahead and use spoiler warnings. Nobody's gonna jump on your case for showing *too much* courtesy. And what's with the constant ordering around of the moderators? You didn't ASK us to make a ruling, you demanded a ruling. FYI, that might rub some people the wrong way.


AND, is attacking people okay on this board? If so, I'm leaving because I'm getting sick of it. I come here for FUN, not to have people threatening me with their fists just because I discussed FF7's ending.Troy

Troy, you bring it all on yourself. In fact, you've personally attacked several users on more than one occasion. I haven't seen you issue any apologies, so stop your whining. If you're sick of it, no need to complain, the exit door is always open.

[asharru]

What we really need is a no whining zone...

[kainemaxwell]

Troy, we'll give you common courtesy if you give it back to us in return.

[Sniderman]

Antics said it best above. If you have to ask, then you probably should, because it shows some lingering doubts in your own mind. And, yes, it is a courtesy thing, but not anything we can (or should) enforce.

Unlike other videogames, RPGs actually do have a storyline and an ending. And, if you persist in revealing what's on the last page of that novel or any twist developments, be prepared for some upset folks.


SPOILER WARNING.......











Darth Vader is Luke's father.
Norman Bates is his own mother.
The psychologist played by Bruce Willis was actually dead the whole time.
And the chick is actually a dude in The Crying Game.

[kainemaxwell]

Here's an idea to throw out:

if the title was recently released, use spoiler warning sbut if it's 6 months to one yr or longer don't bother.

*Still thinks we should have a rpg forum.

[punkoffgirl]

On the one hand, I would say that it's almost a given, when ONE game gets discussed SO much in a thread, that someone is going to talk about the ending at some point or another, so I would suppose people shouldn't be too shocked. And, if it's a first time mistake (ie, you're not the guy everyone knows who ALWAYS has to give away the ending), then I'd just say "sorry" and hopefully people can move on. At least you know to attach *spoiler* warnings in the future.
However.. I usually stay out of these things, but, it's pretty obvious from the thread that was started in the Battlezone (which is where "attacking" usually takes place) that you've rubbed quite a few people the wrong way and used up any slack they might have been willing to give you, and they'll now jump all over any percieved mistake you make. I don't see in any way how this could, would, or should involve the moderators of the board. IF attacks get out of hand, the moderators know what to do, and if none have seemed to pick up on it, a well-placed PM would suffice, rather than publicly posting complaints for grudge points.

[WiseSalesman]

Err....if you perceived me as "attacking you" in the "Final Fantasy X-Stupid" thread, you have my apologies. I really didn't mean it like that.

[Captain Wrong]

Not an issue for the mods really. It's kind of common curtiousy to let someone know when you're about to reveal an ending of something or a crucial plot point, regardless of if you're on a message board or in real life. That way those of us who haven't expierenced what you are talking about can avert the eyes and not have something ruined for us. Yep, it's about thinking of someone else, sorry if you see that as an inconvience.




AND, is attacking people okay on this board? If so, I'm leaving because I'm getting sick of it. I come here for FUN, not to have people threatening me with their fists just because I discussed FF7's ending.

Troy

LEAVE ALREADY!!!!!! God, I'm getting sick of the whiny ass "everyone is picking on me" bullshit!




SPOILER ALERT:

Troy isn't going anywhere. He will stay here and continue to whine like a 6 year old who didn't get all the toys they wanted for christmas. He will also accuse me of attacking him for posting this, and I will not care.

[MankeyMan]

Okay. The hyper-critical members of this board are now *attacking* me because I don't use spoiler warnings.

So MODERATORS: [Please] Make a ruling. Are we supposed to be using "spoiler warnings" when we discuss old games like Final Fantasy 7 or Super Mario World?

Troy

How am I being hypocritical? I have never revealed the ending of any game on this board. I couldn't actually give a damn if people reveal the last boss of a game (which in FF7s case, i'm guessing, is Sephiroth), or even how to beat him, but revealing the ending is stupid, and the fact that you haven't even apologised, and have instead started up a pointless thread about it. On top of that you are now whining that 'the mods' have told you to put spoilers in front of game endings, which isn't the decision you wanted.
Just back down. I haven't really had a problem with your top XX lists, or anything else, but arguing when you are clearly wrong is pathetic.

[WiseSalesman]

He didn't say "hypocritical" he said "hyper-critical". You know, as in "very", or "overly" critical.

Not saying I necessarily agree or disagree, just clearing up a misunderstanding.

[uzplayer]

While I'm not involved in this argument. I have to say this guys demeanor has rubbed me the wrong way and spoilers suck..

Maybe we should have a democratic vote on banning this guy if need be...

[MankeyMan]

Sorry, didn't see that he'd written hyper-critical.
Oh look, i'm admitting to making a mistake.[/quote]

[Tritoch]

*adds another notch in the "spoilers should always be marked until the end of time" catetory*

That should be done within reason of course. For example, I don't think it's wrong to not mark something that happens in the first few hours of a RPG. Giving away the ending of any story-driven game though should definitely be forewarned.

[Kid Ice]

Troy[/quote]

LEAVE ALREADY!!!!!! God, I'm getting sick of the whiny ass "everyone is picking on me" bullshit!




SPOILER ALERT:

Troy isn't going anywhere. He will stay here and continue to whine like a 6 year old who didn't get all the toys they wanted for christmas. He will also accuse me of attacking him for posting this, and I will not care.[/quote]

Damn you CW! I didn't know that was going to happen! You've ruined it for me!

Actually, I am beginning to doubt the very existence of "theaveng" at this point. The regularity of incidents like this is quite suspicious, frankly. In fact, I have suspected for some time that "theaveng" is actually Joe S., engaging in some kind of bizzarre and subversive sociological experimentation.

However, I could be wrong on that point; it could be another mod, or an otherwise well-regarded regular. This person is too skilled at getting people riled up to just be some regular dude, or a lurker or something.

the kid

...or maybe, a previously banned or otherwise outcast looking for revenge? "theaveng" indeed!

[asharru]

:lol:

You know kid ice I was thinking that exact same thing earlier today. It's like TOO BIZZARE to be someone serious. At least I hope it is. Like could someone really take this much abuse and keep coming back? It's like every thread he starts gets trainwrecked.

I'll just sit here and eat some http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/images/smilies/popblood.gif whilst the http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/images/smilies/flame.gif 's continue...

[theaveng]

The "rule" in discussion groups like Babylon 5 or West Wing is that Spoiler Warnings only need to be used for recent episodes. Anything older than a year is talked about freely.

I think the same rule (1 year or less... use warnings) should apply here.

Troy

P.S. No one should be attacking any one else. Not me. Not you. No one.

[kainemaxwell]

So why would something on other boards apply to us?

[NvrMore]

The "rule" in discussion groups like Babylon 5 or West Wing is that Spoiler Warnings only need to be used for recent episodes. Anything older than a year is talked about freely.

I think the same rule (1 year or less... use warnings) should apply here.

Hang on, I've already answered this once..

*Switches "TV Newsgroup" for "B5 discussion group"*


This is not the B5 discussion group, this is a Classic Gaming Board, you don't make the rules and you should be mature enough to respect the rights of others to choose whether or not they want to read spoilers.

[Tritoch]

The "rule" in discussion groups like Babylon 5 or West Wing is that Spoiler Warnings only need to be used for recent episodes. Anything older than a year is talked about freely.

I think the same rule (1 year or less... use warnings) should apply here.

I don't because:

1) TV shows come on at a certain time, and then you either watch them, tape them, or not. Minimal time investment involved.
2) RPGs require many hours of time to complete, and often it can take quite a while for a busy person to finish one (or get around to some of the older ones they never played the first time).
3) This is a classic gaming board, which is primarily centered around playing games older than one year old.

[Captain Wrong]

The "rule" in discussion groups like Babylon 5 or West Wing is that Spoiler Warnings only need to be used for recent episodes. Anything older than a year is talked about freely.

I think the same rule (1 year or less... use warnings) should apply here.

Troy

P.S. No one should be attacking any one else. Not me. Not you. No one.

Ok, we know what you think. You've made this point already and the fact of the matter is, NO ONE here agrees with you. If you don't like it, tough. Go talk FF on the Babylon 5 board then and throw out all the spoilers you want. You've been asked and rather than appologizing and moving on, you've made it into an issue.

Any time some one dissagrees with you, they're attacking you. Any time you're wrong about something, someone is attacking you for pointing it out. Any time you don't get your way, you're being attacked. Maybe you should seek some counseling to get over this persecution complex you have. Everyone else here seems to handle criticism and being wrong with out crying like a baby, so why can't you?

I honsetly don't see what's so difficult about saying, "ok, made a mistake, sorry" and moving on.

(I know this is beating a dead horse, but I'm bored :))

[Nature Boy]

This forum will work for all of us better if:

(a) TheAvenge (and others who make mistakes in the future) took responsibility for spoiling the game for some, apologized for that, and promised to be more diligent in the future (especially with RPGs). Stop trying to justify it.

(b) Those who had the game spoiled for them took it a bit more in stride. There are lots of games I personally haven't finished (FF 7 is one of them, Halo is another) and I understand that, if I'm reading in this forum or in a magazine, the possibility exists that something might get ruined. In much the same way that the spoiler can't make assumptions about people finishing the game, you have to assume that somebody talking about it may not be aware that you don't want anything spoiled.

I should add that I did not get to see the post in question in it's original form. So I don't know how obvious it was that a plot device was going to be given away. But I think all this ... crap ... is getting out of hand.

FYI: I'm only looking at the spoiler incident in general. Anything else associated with this isn't even worth discussing.

[Raedon]

I think it's time to take Theaveng to tribal Coucil :twisted:

[Achika]

I think he has sand up his butt still, even though he didn't even play with us.

[MankeyMan]

I should add that I did not get to see the post in question in it's original form. So I don't know how obvious it was that a plot device was going to be given away. But I think all this ... crap ... is getting out of hand.


The only way it could've been obvious is if theaveng had actually painted it on the side of a sky-scraper. Why do you even need to discuss the ending of FF7 in a thread about FF10-2? Granted, the game would come up, because people also want a sequel, but giving away the ending and saying its a sort of sequel is not only completely pointless, but has spoiled the enjoyment of the rest of the game for me.

[kainemaxwell]

Can we introduce Aveng to "Jeff" and see how long he lasts?

[Nature Boy]

Why do you even need to discuss the ending of FF7 in a thread about FF10-2?

Couldn't tell you - I haven't finished FF7 or read anything about FFX-2. And I didn't read the post. That's why I put the disclaimer at the bottom of my post.

My comments are based on what I would have done in his/your situation. I would've apologized (and maybe explained that these other forums I visit do it this way which is why I erred) if I had been the spoiler. I'd've been more understanding if I was the spoilee (since the game is quite a few years old and I can see it being an honest mistake).

There doesn't have to be a right and a wrong side here. So don't try to force one by asking the above question.

[theaveng]

Over on psxanation.com, the owner is pro-active. Yesterday he stated, "Anyone who discusses Vice City without spoiler warnings will be banned." NOW there's a clear and fast rule that people can follow.



So, why isn't there a clear and fast rule here? There should be one.



As for my spoiling FF7's ending, I've discussed it before, both here and at psxnation.com, and no one said anything. How was I supposed to know NOT to discuss it??? No one ever laid down the ground rules.

And the guy's reaction: "I'd like to thankyou for spoiling the ending of this game for me by hitting you several times in the face. With a pickaxe. -Mankeyman"

I'm sorry I spoiled the ending for Mankeyman, but THREATENING me with physical assault? C'mon. That's unacceptable.

[kainemaxwell]

Then try not acting up around here and ordering the mods around and you'll be liked more.

[Arcade Antics]

So, why isn't there a clear and fast rule here? There should be one.

Troy, here's a clear and fast rule for YOU: NO WHINING. If you want to continue to act like a child, I've already explained that the exit door is always open.

Locking this thread, so sick of Troy's endless whining.

>>>LOCK<<<