Sonic & Knuckles Genesis, What is the flip top on game f [Archive]

Ze_ro

04-20-2004, 04:17 AM

Stick Sonic 2 or Sonic 3 on top of it, and stick it into the Genesis, and you can play as Knuckles in both of those games. There are even hidden areas that can only be accessed using Knuckles.

Locking on other games (including Sonic 1) will just give you a screen saying "No Way!", but press A, B, and C together, and you can play some bonus levels.

--Zero

Jasoco

04-20-2004, 04:43 AM

Wow.. you're the first I've met who didn't know about it!

It was called "Lock-On Technology" and as Ze-ro said, it allows extra features in Sonic 2 and 3.

In Sonic 2, it allows the use of Knuckles to be played through the game. Unlocking new areas Sonic could never get to.

In Sonic 3, it's a whole new ballgame. It expands the entire story. You play through 3, then through S&K in one game. Together, it makes one huge game.

And since S&K can be used alone, it's not like you NEED 3 to play.

And as Ze_ro said, snapping in another game unlocks a bonus level. Now, the levels are either randomly generated, selected manually or generated from the serial number on the game you insert. Each is a totally new arrangement. The levels are just the "3D" bonus "Spheres" games where you gather the blue spheres and rings and avoid the red ones. It's a nice passtime.

I remember the hype around the so-called technology. Too bad it wasn't used further. (Maybe Rare could have made Banjo-Tooie have a cart plug on the top to plug Banjo-Kazooie in instead of the whole "Stop and Swap" mishap.)

The thing I hate is when they used to sell Genesis at GS, all the S&K's I saw were missing the top flaps. EVERY single one! The same with the SNES Genie's. Weird.

Jive3D

04-20-2004, 10:16 AM

WOW, this is the first time that I've heard of someone that missed the whole lock-on technology bit.

It's so dam hard to come accross a S&K cartridge that is in good shape. So instead - I ditched all my Sonic Cartridges (except for #1) and bought the Import of Sonic Jam for Saturn - it's got all the sonic genesis games worth playing.

S&K was VERY cool for the time. It was one of the first genesis games in the US to start using cardboard boxes instead of the plastic shockboxes. I remember paying something like $70 for the game when it first came out. I remember that pissing me off hardcore, but the game was good indeed.

charitycasegreg

04-20-2004, 10:25 AM

When you hook up sonic 2 to it it is a little harder to beat robotnic at the end because you have o hit him below the hand caue you cant jump as high... still easy though. Also when you hook it up to sonic 1, there are 40,000 different levels. If you get all the rings in a level you skip 10 levels. I got to about 1200 before. Each level has a password too so you can right it down and start where you left off.

digitalpress

04-20-2004, 10:34 AM

What is this fliptop on top of sonic and knuckles for genesis game for ? Looks like another cart goes on top of it? Thanks!

http://66.92.250.36:8080/DP/cmf/game.cmf?gameid=115661

Jasoco

04-20-2004, 12:35 PM

I got my used S&K in great condition. It was the first I ever saw in person. And at a totally different GS.

After that, all the other stores that have the game have crappy ones. It doesn't make sense.

Arcade Antics

04-20-2004, 12:43 PM

It can also be used to store Skittles. Mmm... Skittles.

Jasoco

04-20-2004, 12:51 PM

It can also be used to store Skittles. Mmm... Skittles.Yeah, just like the compartment on the bottom of your NES can be used to store drugs.

Bratwurst

04-20-2004, 12:55 PM

S&K was VERY cool for the time. It was one of the first genesis games in the US to start using cardboard boxes instead of the plastic shockboxes. I remember paying something like $70 for the game when it first came out. I remember that pissing me off hardcore, but the game was good indeed.

I got around that cardboard mess myself, it really pissed me off too at the time.

http://www.angelfire.com/apes/madmeat/SnKboxed.txt

What's the deal with finding S&K in good shape? I've had mine since I got it new a while back. Plastic hinge of the cart port snaps off easy or something? I can understand finding the cardboard box in the wild to be more or less impossible now.

Ze_ro

04-20-2004, 02:42 PM

I remember a friend and I went hunting one day, and we both managed to find complete boxed (cardboard) copies of S&K in great condition. That was back when our hunts were actually successful... nowadays, we're lucky to find a SMB/Duck Hunt.

Oh, and the manual is black & white, and flimsy to boot. Sega was really getting cheap with their packaging near the end of the Genesis life span.

--Zero

Mythik

04-20-2004, 03:26 PM

I have a complete S&K in the cardboard box in near mint condition.

...where I got it from, I have NO IDEA (since I didn't start buying genesis games until WELL after it was gone)

Spartikcus

04-20-2004, 03:39 PM

I got a clean copy of the game with the little hinge flap for 1 dollar at a flea market.
I always hated the cartridge, it's a real bitch to have in my collection and it sticks out like a soar thumb.

Jasoco

04-20-2004, 04:21 PM

I got a clean copy of the game with the little hinge flap for 1 dollar at a flea market.
I always hated the cartridge, it's a real bitch to have in my collection and it sticks out like a soar thumb.Yeah, I know what you mean. I have to keep it with my Genie and Virtua Racing carts. Those three I'd really wish I had boxes for. As well as my Micro Machines cart that has the round top.

Richter

04-20-2004, 04:27 PM

I got around that cardboard mess myself, it really pissed me off too at the time.

http://www.angelfire.com/apes/madmeat/SnKboxed.txto.O I never knew S&K (XD SNK) was clam shelled

or am i getting ti wrong?

Jasoco

04-20-2004, 04:36 PM

Actually, Richter, I think he just cut out his own cover and used an extra box for it. Or maybe I'm wrong. But it does look nice in its own clamshell.

I personally have all the games from the Mega Collection. And I love them all. But you know what I would gladly pay $50 for? A GBA version of the same game.

A portable version of Sonic 1, 2, 3 Sonic and Knuckles, Sonic 1, 2 and 3 and Knuckles, Mean Bean Machine, Flicky (!!!), 3D Blast and Spinball. That would be so cool.

Richter

04-20-2004, 05:04 PM

making clamshells out of cardboard games is pretty damn spiffy

just gotta find some uber cheap complete games to get the shells
-_-

Bratwurst

04-20-2004, 05:08 PM

I scanned the artwork from the box and printed out my own insert.

...No, wait! I have the super rare clamshell release I will charge 100$ to the first person to bite!!!

ManekiNeko

04-20-2004, 05:44 PM

Those crappy cardboard boxes really burned my buns. Why, oh why did Sega abandon their old clamshell boxes in favor of easily destroyed cardboard packages? They made the flimsy claim that they did it to preserve the environment and that the cardboard boxes were actually MORE expensive to produce than the clamshells, but I ain't buyin' it. I'm sure that a lot more of the cardboard boxes wound up in a landfill than the original plastic ones.

JR

GENESISNES

04-20-2004, 05:53 PM

when i had to put all of my gen boxes in a bigger box, it crushed all of my cardboard ones, o well i wish i would have found some clamshell extras to put them in.

But about sonic and knuckles, i saw it recently at EB World for like $25, complete. I didnt know some stores considered it "rare"

Ed Oscuro

04-20-2004, 06:45 PM

It can also be used to store Skittles. Mmm... Skittles.Yeah, just like the compartment on the bottom of your NES can be used to store drugs.
Or old Intellivision carts can be used to store dime bags... LOL

Anyhow, this has always been an interesting concept. I think all it did was just access some of the data from the original game and modify it (whatever S&K changed, graphics, control maybe?) so it's not too mysterious. Interesting though.

Richter

04-20-2004, 08:54 PM

back in the day, i found it odd that sticking SoR3 on it wont get you the bonus game but rather just S&K

Epicenter

04-20-2004, 10:35 PM

About 50/50. Half the games will give you S+K, half trigger the GET BLUE SPHERES bonus rounds.

I personally find S3 does NOT stand well enough on its own and S&K is too short. They belong together. Sega only released them separately because S&K was a bunch of leftovers at S3's completion. They wanted S3 out for the holidays due to the obvious profits to be gained there, and allowed it to work with S&K later.

S&K + Sonic 2 is just the application of a patch from a helper chip in the cart. :)

.. BTW, I picked up my copy new, sold it at some point and then got another used in near perfect condition, but loose, at a local shop. But yeah, I do like the cardboard boxes more..

Push Upstairs

04-21-2004, 12:11 AM

I scanned the artwork from the box and printed out my own insert.

How did you get the cover to print out at the right size?

Richter

04-21-2004, 02:53 PM

I scanned the artwork from the box and printed out my own insert.

How did you get the cover to print out at the right size?also, do you still have that scan?

Aussie2B

04-21-2004, 04:11 PM

I'm one of the poor saps that bought S&K at GameStop with the top flap missing. :/ At the time, I wasn't even aware that it was supposed to have a protective flap.

Jasoco

04-21-2004, 04:29 PM

It's not that hard to print something out the same size. Scan it at the same DPI you print it and it'll print the same.

13u1313a

04-21-2004, 04:31 PM

I have a cardboard copy of S&K, the insert to it is completely bright red. This is the only one i have seen like this all the rest are black with the S&K logo printed all over it. has anyone sen this before? is there a blue one? is this rarer or less rare than the black one?

Bratwurst

04-21-2004, 05:36 PM

How did you get the cover to print out at the right size?

I did my homework and measured the size of the original case's slip, tweaked the elements and did a few mock prints in black and white before taking it to Kinkos. After that you just trim it with a paper cutter.

also, do you still have that scan?

Yase. Copy and paste. BTW, you'll have to use either the wider EA style cases or the later case Sega used in its Sega Classic line. They'll hold the mushroom cart without bulging.

http://www.angelfire.com/apes/madmeat/SKslip.jpg

It's not that hard to print something out the same size. Scan it at the same DPI you print it and it'll print the same.

While that's true, I still had to clean up the scan and also rearrange some elements since the cardboard box itself is bigger than then clamshell cases.

Stringfellow

04-21-2004, 06:35 PM

Jasoco

04-21-2004, 10:25 PM

one word NOMADThree words, already have one.

TheRedEye

04-21-2004, 10:30 PM

I actually chopped my S&K box up and put it in my X-Men case within a week of getting it. Looks great, until you notice that words are chopped off on the back.

Stringfellow

04-21-2004, 10:51 PM

one word NOMADThree words, already have one.

ok didn't know. I only mentioned Nomad since you said that you wanted portable Sonic the hedgehog and that seemed the most logical way to go about it.

Jasoco

04-21-2004, 10:57 PM

one word NOMADThree words, already have one.

ok didn't know. I only mentioned Nomad since you said that you wanted portable Sonic the hedgehog and that seemed the most logical way to go about it.
I know. But think about it. I can either carry around a Nomad and 8 Genesis cartridges, one being oversized.. OR I can carry a teeny tiny GBA SP and a GBA cartridge.

Which one would you want?

Must have GBA version of Sonic Mega Collection.. or a portable Game Cube. One or the other.

Stringfellow

04-21-2004, 11:02 PM

I see your point. I don't own a Nomad but I have played a couple and I have to say I like it.

Jasoco

04-21-2004, 11:06 PM

I see your point. I don't own a Nomad but I have played a couple and I have to say I like it.Oh, don't get me wrong. I love my Nomad too. But ever since I got my GBA SP... I can't go back. No way would I want to go back. Small, lightweight, rechargeable. Come on, Sonic Team, port that puppy! I can die happy. (At least Sonic Team/Sega would be smart and put them all on one Cart unlike Nintendo who loves splitting the games up and selling them all one at a time.)