Sachens decided upon or not?

[spoon]

will the Sachen games for the NES be under the "Non-US" release section in the next guide or not? Thanks

[digitalpress]

It's still kinda undecided really. I've heard good arguments on both sides. It might warrant its own category, in fact!

[ventrra]

I can see it now, the "We Don't Know" section of the guide featuring the Sachen games :wink: !

Strangely, enough, these games have appeared here and there in the local pawn shops here in Mucnie. I still have no idea where they had come from before that.

[nesman85]

at the time that we had that discussion, i considered them US releases. i now however, don't. i consider them pirates/homebrews, because of one very good coment that changed my mind. somebody said that if you consider them US releases, then you have to consider sachen's NES clone a US release too.

[nesman85]

that solution sounds good. i used the wrong word to describe the sachen's. and when i said homebrew, i didn't mean it in a negative way. i consider sachen and colordreams games to be in the same category, but color dreams is american and sachen is not. i didn't realize that sachen's clone was released so recently. color dreams and AVE took the sachens and released them here in america. games released under the panesian name(the cover up name for the US) are US releases, hacker international releases aren't if thats the name they only used in japan(i don't know much about that company). the sachens were sold during the systems lifetime, but not in the US. i have never heard anybody who bought them in the US during that time. you said before in another thread that you don't know if sachen made an attempt to sell their games in the US during that time, but you know that they are now. but thats not within the systems lifetime. if somebody purchased them new from any store in the US during those years, then i will change my mind again because that would make them US releases, like the panesians.

EDIT: i have no idea how this post got above theredeye's in the thread when i posted it AFTER i read his. strange.

[TheRedEye]

...okay, so how does selling clone hardware in Taiwan in recent years support completely original games programmed legally by a corporation, packaged, distributed and sold during a system's lifetime as being either pirates or homebrews? That makes absolutely no sense. Sachen are and always have been within their complete legal rights to make consoles and games, and they're certainly not amateur "homebrews." And if they are, kiss Action 52 goodbye. It's a homebrew. That dude worked from his basement.

Color Dreams used many Sachen games. So did AVE. Does that mean they're putting "pirate/homebrew" games onto cartridges? Therefore, are all Color Dreams and AVE "pirate/homebrews" too, or just the ones programmed by Thin Chen Enterprise, Taiwan? How about if I told you that Color Dreams, like Sachen, just recently released a console with their games built into it, which like Sachen's was distributed internationally. Uh oh! Are all Color Dreams games now "pirate/homebrew?" If not, then should we put Pelican's "Rumblestation" in the U.S. section? Well fuck, they sell it in J.C. Penny, why not? How about the Mega Joy II! I used to be able to pick those up from Radio Shack, it was great. How about the Dance Pad III sold by Avon? It's NES hardware, it's sold in the United States...hell, let's just make a brand new guide with all of the NES hardware that "has to be included." Joe, are you ready to type "Avon" as the company name for something in your guide? I know you've been waiting years.

How about Panesian games? Those were made by Hacker International. "Panesian" is probably just a coverup name they used in the United States. Are those "pirate/homebrews" as well? They don't pirate anything, and they were put out by an actual company during the system's lifetime, and Hacker is more or less Sachen's sister company (they even collaborated on a few games).

I just don't understand your logic. These NES games were made and sold between 1990 and 1995, during the system's life span, by a real company. The Q-Boy console was made, as far as I can tell, somewhere around 1999 (maybe not that late, but recent enough to have an email address posted on it, so therefore after the system's death). Let's say that Konami made a Famicom clone right now and sold it in Taiwan. Are all Konami games now pirates? No? Then do we put their console in the guide? How about if Konami started selling their NES games again? Are their games now "pirates/homebrews?"

"Pirates/homebrews" shouldn't even be considered. There is absolutely nothing to back that up. Nothing. The real argument here is whether these games should be considered U.S. or Non-U.S., which is based solely on the way the Digital Press Guide categorizes games. Which I think we should consider toying with.

Here's the solution I came up with while taking a crap. How about changing "Non-U.S. Game Releases" to "International Releases" and moving all of them there? That covers your ass either way.

[RASK1904]

Some good info but..... still not alot. So they wheren't released here during the Nes's life, so there non US releases and now they are or were being released here but it's after the life so there kinda pirate/hombrews (but not in a bad way). They work on a NTSC USA Nes. There is also other stuff? Pelican, AVON?, and Mega Joy?(great?! more confusion*_*) A.V.E. and Colordreams released some(or all?) of Sachens games in the US during the Nes's life so those count. Panesian(AKA Hackers International) and Sachen were in cahoots. And I have one Sachen game Hell Fighter. Hehwewhhh....... So good so far? Any help would be much apreciated!

Thanx RASK1904:?

[swlovinist]

I think the option of them having their own section is deserving. Let individual people decide if they should include them or not. I personally think that they are seperate.

[RASK1904]

On my quest to figure this stuff out I went crazy. I found myself tring to figure out

multiply zebra over donkey by the time it takes to paint a house for Frank and his brother who can do it 1 and a half hours faster= I don't count Sachen games.:?

I feel batter already.

[videogametrader]

I agree with some above. They should have their own special section, since they "clearly" don't belong in any one place.

Tom

[Mason P.]

I personally don't consider anything that wasn't licenend not part of the NES collection. In doing that i think the guide should have a licensed section and put all homebrew and unlicensed games in another section reguardless of when or where they released. That way there is a definitive line of what catagory something falls into.

I think some people don't want it combined into the "complete" collection because they don't want to have to admit they don't have a "complete" collection anymore. They rather just make excuses saying they "released after the system was dead" or " the company dosn't exist, its a guy in a basement" so it shouldn't count. Personally I am trying to get a complete licensed set (fairly close) and don't care either way.

[vintagegamecrazy]

I would now just consider them non US releases. There's no real evidence they were sold in Europe either so I'd guess that they were Hong Kong releases that a cheap unknown distribution arm of some small company brought and sold them in America in small doses in Indie shops and the like similar to what Realtec's games were for the Genesis.

[slapdash]

Uh, Realtec might not be a good example since they were available at Toys R Us.

[vintagegamecrazy]

I didn't know Realtec sold games through Toys R Us, Sachen may be the same though in the way that they may have sold them through small Indie stores or small privately owned retailers looking for cheap products to sell. It's only my speculation though so don't take my word as gold.

[slapdash]

Indie's different than big box though. And yeah, I found my first Realtec game in a Toys R Us in Metairie LA. I think the others were also from TRU, but probably Appleton WI. Never did see the Whac-A-Mole controller anywhere though.