Is Nintendo Doomed?

[DotCom]

I think maybe. The DS wont be popular because noone really cares about it. I havent seen one positive comment about it.

[Kamino]

i think nintendo basically slit their wrists at the time of the release of n64 and virtual boy, and only game boy advance has slowed the bleeding...
the only reason game boy cannot fail is because it has no competition..and PsP is going to kill that too...
nintendo is doomed. i am a huge nes/snes freak, and do collect for Virtual boy and every system nintendo made, but theyre screwed. royally.
they've associated themselves with little kid games....let's face it, the GC Wind Waker Zelda game would be 100X better if developed with real characters, gore, and not lil kid cel shading!
nintendo is screwed. they cant develop a straight system oustide of Game Boy, the quality of GBA software is suffering; hardly any orignality....
i just hope they pull a sega and license their stuff to sony and MS.

[portnoyd]

Nah.

[ozyr]

Doomed?

Nope, not at all.

Why, because I and others buy their products. So they are in 3rd place, big deal...

[Kamino]

might i add, that nintendo, and their n64, drove me away from console gaming for the better part of two years....
ps2 and vice city brought me back, and only after the advent of game boy advance SP and game boy player did i return to nintendo's nextgen products.
damn you nintendo, damn you and your screwy controllers designed for frigging zombie demons from outer space...

[ManekiNeko]

Just remember, it only takes one mistake to doom a video game company forever. It happened to Atari. It can happen to Sony, too.

For the record, I don't think the PSp is going to be the massive hit that everyone seems to think it is. Its hefty price tag, easily scratched discs, and battery-gobbling power will make it impractical as a handheld console. It's a toy for the rich boys, and nothing more. Sony will discover that all too quickly next year. It won't flop like the N-Gage did, but it won't be strong competition for the next Game Boy system, either.

JR

[Kamino]

personally i think nintendo's big mistake was nintendo 64, with it's funky controller and their stubbornness to give up our beloved cartridges. as much as i like carts and am glad that 64 IS cart based i think that was the beginning of the end.
32x was sega's mistake.......
holding on to 2600 ,and then releasing the crappy 5200, was atari's....
VB(as much as i like VB, it got nintendo bad pr!) and n64 was nintendo's.

[BHvrd]

might i add, that nintendo, and their n64, drove me away from console gaming for the better part of two years....
ps2 and vice city brought me back, and only after the advent of game boy advance SP and game boy player did i return to nintendo's nextgen products.
damn you nintendo, damn you and your screwy controllers designed for frigging zombie demons from outer space...

Just curious, what drove you away from the N64? Also how did you survive that long before Vice City?

Man I mean, Vice City is like teh only game i've ever liked, I know what you mean, it's like teh best game of the past millenium!

[Kamino]

i was driven away from new console gaming, and well purchasing any other systems, by n64.
At the time i was a nintendo-only guy. SEGA was a naughty word. so was SONY, and anyone else.
The Nintendo 64 controller aggravated me to no end. Fricking three pronged piece of crap designed by a stoned guy i swear.
also the games were expensive as hell to me, if i remember right some were sixty dollars, and young fool i was i bought players guides which were 15; that makes it 75 bucks tobuy a game..
i didn't want to do it any more. i said screw this, i'm buying an old pc and pirating dos games.i survived just fine; i had also just invested in a pentium-4 computer, and between 2 pcs was busy learning about windows xp and 98se....everything that happened in computing since the 486/33mhz....and networking....
vice city brought me back to my consoles. of course now i collect for 21 systems..and yes i HAVE increased my n64 collection, and yes i DO have a gamecube. But i use post-nes/snes nintendo products sparingly, and with caution..

[GamecubeFreek]

For some odd reason, I have the feeling that Nintendo is going to make a comeback in the next console wars. They have obviously learned from some of their mistakes, and I can totally see them fixing some others (I think they have even hinted that the next zelda after WW2 will be realistic). Their other big "mistake" is not going seriously online, but I truly think that online gaming on consoles will die out within a few years.
Maybe I'm just stupid, but I would bet a large sum of money that Nintendo will be at least in a solid number 2 (tee hee) position in around 5 years.

[wisekrak]

BASH BASH BASH, BLAH BLAH BLAH
This company sux nya nya nya.

Buy what you want play what you want. Game companies will continue to make money by creating product that people will buy. Keep in mind that you are not even 1% of the market these companies sell to. They know what they're doing.

In the mean time, enjoy the products that appeal to you.

[portnoyd]

I think what BHvrd is trying to ask is: Of all the games, on all the consoles... Vice City?

It's kind of hard to take in. It's not a bad game or anything, but.

Vice City?

dave

[BHvrd]

I think what BHvrd is trying to ask is: Of all the games, on all the consoles... Vice City?

It's kind of hard to take in. It's not a bad game or anything, but.

Vice City?

dave

If you haven't gotten the May issue of Game Informer, and read the article by Steve Kent then you should. Great article.

[MarioAllStar2600]

How many times are we going to argue teh same damn topic. ARGH! And I really don't think anyone will know untill there next system (dual Screenincluded).

[Jasoco]

I think maybe. The DS wont be popular because noone really cares about it. I havent seen one positive comment about it.The God Damn DS isn't even RELEASED YET! There is NO INFO yet! People need to just SHUT UP about something they know NOTHING about and stop saying it's going to flop! Geeze! Let the damn company announce what it's going to do before you condemn them to Hell. :angry: (By the way, that's not directed at you. Sorry if I seem harsh.)

Nintendo will not fail. If anything, they will be here for a long time making third place systems. And I will still buy them as long as they keep MAKING those systems and creative games. They have a lot of creative games. Stuff you never see on the PS2 or Xbox. They will stick around. They will not become Sega so soon.

We're all eager to see the DS. I know for a fact my store will be getting it too. If it succeeds, I will get 10% off of the stuff for it. If it fails, I will have first crack at a clearanced DS PLUS 10% off. I win either way. Another Virtual Boy won't necessarily kill them. (I wish I had worked retail during that time and was a collector. I missed out on a neat piece of Nintendo history.)

[Kamino]

i know the VB flopped but i still hate it when people diss on it when they havent even played it. I had it with me at school one week and people were flipping out over it "what the hell is this wow cool" vb was and still is bitchin'. It is the ONLY system i am going for a complete USA collection on, but that may be due to the low cart count(14) lolz.

[neo-zen]

i dont think nintendo is doomed.

if they havent taken note about what is hurting the gc that might cause problems. they didnt really make any online games.
grafx wise i dont really see much diffrence with psx2, xbox and gc.

i didnt play my xbox at all until i got xbox live. i would go to buy a xbox game and i would look and couldnt find anything i would want to play.
all i play on it now is rainbowsix 3.

i have lots of ps2 games but all i have been playing on it is resident evil outbreak.

i like playing online with people. :)

back to nintendo being doomed.
they have way to many titles for their systems to fail.
pokemon is enough to drive the kids to get them. my girlfriends 10 y/o son saved his money for weeks to get the new pokemon.
i will buy one just for resident evil. same for all my friends.
plus games like
zelda,mario,metroid and so on. they have way to many big name games.

[swlovinist]

Nintendo is far from doomed, I think it is funny how people are judging the DS system before anything is released about it. I think that the Gamecube is definately the right direction for Nintendo, even though the step may be behind some of its competition. The SP is the bomb! It is truly a brilliant machine, that will be difficult to top. Its simplicity makes it the perfect blend of old school and not so old school The SP alone could float Nintendo for a long time....Nintendo is not bleeding like some would say, I think that all three companies are truly looking at the furture and being conservative when they will release any new hardware. Alot is at stake, and there is a chance that someone will bow out if a mistake in marketing is made. Lets face it, this last Christmas was a blood bath, and the game market is still recovering. Games that were in development years were reduced in price only a month after being released. If your game is not a gem, then it will be 39.99 or 29.99 in a matter of a month. It is kind of scary and unstable right now. People want more out of games, and the market isnt really showing that yet. Anyways....Nintendo is not doomed, Sony is not doomed, Microsoft is not doomed....they are all playing it cool right now and getting ready to go to battle this summer and fall. The bloodbath is gonna be fierce, but in the end, the consumer will win. I think that the DS will be properly released, due to the importance of it at least being successful. Only time will tell, as like everyone else, who knows what lies in the future....I only see a battle that could get as fierce as the 16-bit days heating up and I love it!

[Push Upstairs]

I dunno about this DS crap...


But heads should roll for that "Zelda Rap" commercial!!

[goatdan]

When I first saw the idea of the DS system, I thought it would be a great system to get on clearance about three months after the launch. Now I'm not so sure...

Sounds like Nintendo is going to make it into a powerful and cheap PDA that can link with eachother from across the room and not manage to eat tons of batteries. If they pull that off, they will have achieved melding two things that people like into one product, and the DS could be a much bigger hit than anyone bargained for.

Personally, I'd rather see the GBA PDA with upgraded graphics and I think it would make Nintendo more money, but this suddenly seems to have a lot of potential to me...

[Zubiac666]

I think what BHvrd is trying to ask is: Of all the games, on all the consoles... Vice City?

It's kind of hard to take in. It's not a bad game or anything, but.

Vice City?

dave

INDEED
this IS the MOST overrated game ever

[EnemyZero]

krazy you on drugs?? N64 was a great system, the controller wasnt that bad once you get used to it, and PS2 and vice city brought you back??? ps2 is the worst piece of trash to ever grace the gaming industry, talk about dissapointment, you missed alot without having a n64, and dont diss the DS, ive been hearing alot of positive speculation on it, and apparently developers are supporting it since 30+ games are gonna be displayed at E3. PErsonally i cant wait to see what its gonna be like. Another thing, the PSP ? blow nintendo out? give me a break, nintendo has OWNED the portable market since the original GB in the 80's, and the only thing that ever was close was Gamegear, and thats sad, if anything will fail its the PSP , im not saying they wont cause any waves, but seriously GBA is owned my mostly kids and guys like me who never grow up, thats what nintendo is all about, sony is gonna try to make a portable ps2, most of the general gaming public own ps2's and dont char about portable gaming, therefore i see the psp failing miserably, but hey who knows

[Cmosfm]

Meh, here we go again. We discuss this what...once, twice a month now?

[Vertigo514]

Personaly i think Nintendo has been down hill ever sense not releasing the cd-rom drive for the SNES. I was 11 or 12 back when that happened. I was really looking for to that and they kept dicking us around telling us it would come out next quarter oh wait no next quarter. Nintendo really let me down when i was younger with all these promises about pictures about the cd-rom drive.
I see it kinda like what happened to Atari. Nintendo came to them with the NES and they turned it down. Then the NES killed Atari. Sony was working on the cd-rom with Nintendo. They had a fall out and Sony is now killing Nintendo on the home console market and hopefuly soon on the protable market!!!!

Thats just my two lincolns

[Algol]

Nintendo is NOWHERE near doomed. Gamecube and GBA have been selling great the past few months. Personally, I'm looking forward to the DS, and think it could be a really neat system.

[Captain Wrong]

I think maybe. The DS wont be popular because noone really cares about it. I havent seen one positive comment about it.The God Damn DS isn't even RELEASED YET! There is NO INFO yet! People need to just SHUT UP about something they know NOTHING about and stop saying it's going to flop! Geeze! Let the damn company announce what it's going to do before you condemn them to Hell. :angry: (By the way, that's not directed at you. Sorry if I seem harsh.)

Where were you before the Ngage released?

[Kamino]

krazy you on drugs?? N64 was a great system, the controller wasnt that bad once you get used to it, and PS2 and vice city brought you back??? ps2 is the worst piece of trash to ever grace the gaming industry, talk about dissapointment, you missed alot without having a n64, and dont diss the DS, ive been hearing alot of positive speculation on it, and apparently developers are supporting it since 30+ games are gonna be displayed at E3. PErsonally i cant wait to see what its gonna be like. Another thing, the PSP ? blow nintendo out? give me a break, nintendo has OWNED the portable market since the original GB in the 80's, and the only thing that ever was close was Gamegear, and thats sad, if anything will fail its the PSP , im not saying they wont cause any waves, but seriously GBA is owned my mostly kids and guys like me who never grow up, thats what nintendo is all about, sony is gonna try to make a portable ps2, most of the general gaming public own ps2's and dont char about portable gaming, therefore i see the psp failing miserably, but hey who knows
to clarify i DID have an n64 and still DO have that same n64....i believe somewhere in this thread i admitted that i still do occasonally buy n64 games....
but yes, vice city brought me back. VICE CITY. Of all the games i own, even ones i bought 10-12 years ago, i have gotten the most use out of VICE CITY. in the year and a quarter i've had it, i've probably played it enough hours to add up to three months. I am not joking. as for ps2 being a piece of crap..why do you say this?
Personally i prefer ps2 OVER xbox...i do not much care about graphics, but i CAN say that the sound card in the xbox SUCKS. I ALWAYS have to fiddle with my reciever when i switch from ANY system to xbox..the sound is all out of whack. While i've gotten used to xbox's controller, it still sucks a bit.
And the nintendo 64 controller will always blow. what is the point of the L button and D pad when you cant even use them 9/10 of the time? they should have done TWO prongs, taken a hint from the saturn 3d controller, which ACTUALLY MAKES SENSE.....
But yes, vice city, not that final fantasy crap, brought me back....oh, thats a whole different thread but DEATH TO FINAL FANTASY AND LONG DRAWN OUT RPGS!!!!

[EnemyZero]

Well yeah its nintendos fault sony came into the business, when they canned the cd add on sony said F U and decided to do the playstation

[Jasoco]

Personaly i think Nintendo has been down hill ever sense not releasing the cd-rom drive for the SNES. I was 11 or 12 back when that happened. I was really looking for to that and they kept dicking us around telling us it would come out next quarter oh wait no next quarter. Nintendo really let me down when i was younger with all these promises about pictures about the cd-rom drive.If they had released it, they would have folded. The DIDN'T release it because of Sega's dismal failure of the Sega CD. They did not want to do the same thing. Release crappy game after crappy game. There was no reason to. All we would have gotten out of a Nintendo CD would have been Myst-like games and FMV games. Don't complain about something you don't know the whole story about.

Of course, they could have treated Sony a little nicer. They didn't know what they were in for.



Where were you before the Ngage released?There's a HUGE difference. When we were all making fun of the N-Gage, it's because we knew EXACTLY what it was going to be. A handheld Phone-Game system. And we KNEW it couldn't compete with Nintendo.

But NO ONE knows anything about the DS aside from insiders. This is COMPLETELY different. WAIT until Nintendo releases more info, like what exactly it will do, before you start plotting Nintendo's demise. Geeze, people!

[Push Upstairs]

All we would have gotten out of a Nintendo CD would have been Myst-like games and FMV games. Don't complain about something you don't know the whole story about.

Wasnt "illusion of Gaia" or "Secret of Evermore" supposed to be a Nintendo CD game?



Of course, they could have treated Sony a little nicer. They didn't know what they were in for.

Honestly, the way Nintendo treated Sony reeked of arrogance and i find it shameful that Nintendo would act in such a manner.

They didnt play nice and they got bit in the ass...hopefully they learned from this.

[Aussie2B]

Regardless of what happens, Nintendo is far too stubborn to give up on console design any time soon. Take in consideration that Nintendo is a company that has been surviving and evolving for over a hundred years. That's more than Sony, Microsoft, Sega, Atari, or any other hardware company can say. Nintendo won't just up and quit because of less-than-spectacular sales over the course of less than a decade.

While I'm not so crazy about the GameCube, I honestly don't think Nintendo has made any significant mistakes. This is just how the cards have fallen for them (bad hanafuda pun, I know), and it's out of their control. If they can ride it out, more power to them. It sometimes depresses me how so many people turned their back on Nintendo after the SNES (when I think the N64 is a great system with a fantastic library of games). I'd get some enjoyment out of seeing Sony fail and Nintendo reign as king once again. >)

[DotCom]

I think maybe. The DS wont be popular because noone really cares about it. I havent seen one positive comment about it.The God Damn DS isn't even RELEASED YET! There is NO INFO yet! People need to just SHUT UP about something they know NOTHING about and stop saying it's going to flop! Geeze! Let the damn company announce what it's going to do before you condemn them to Hell. :angry: (By the way, that's not directed at you. Sorry if I seem harsh.)

Nintendo will not fail. If anything, they will be here for a long time making third place systems. And I will still buy them as long as they keep MAKING those systems and creative games. They have a lot of creative games. Stuff you never see on the PS2 or Xbox. They will stick around. They will not become Sega so soon.

We're all eager to see the DS. I know for a fact my store will be getting it too. If it succeeds, I will get 10% off of the stuff for it. If it fails, I will have first crack at a clearanced DS PLUS 10% off. I win either way. Another Virtual Boy won't necessarily kill them. (I wish I had worked retail during that time and was a collector. I missed out on a neat piece of Nintendo history.)

OK that was a shitty post.

What I was saying is that people don't seem especially excited about the system. Some say it's a gimmick. Others say it's VB all over again. I personally think the DS is a great idea.

[NintendoMan]

I don't think they are doomed at all. I am a little scared, but will 100% guarantee support them always.
A lot of people I talk to just think the GC is for kids. Just because they don't have stupid fucking "Mature" rated titles, well not near enough of them! Like Vice City, manhunt, etc., etc.

I could give a shit about those games. As I always say, anyone can make a game where you go around pointlessly killing people. Nothing original there!

I hope Nintendo stays exactly the same, except for putting out more games, and hopefully the new system will have online play! I won't pay the extra money for online play, but not thousands of other people will. I have and will always ONLY support NINTENDO.
I know xbox and ps2 are good systems, it's just nintendo makes the orignality and type of games I like. I have NEVER and WILL NEVER spend one cent on anything other than nintendo things! (Well, not counting my dreamcast and genesis things)

GO NINTENDO!!!! FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!
:D

[Jasoco]

All we would have gotten out of a Nintendo CD would have been Myst-like games and FMV games. Don't complain about something you don't know the whole story about.

Wasnt "illusion of Gaia" or "Secret of Evermore" supposed to be a Nintendo CD game?That may be, but the Sega CD also had a bunch of good RPG's and it still failed.

And DotCom, it was not a "shitty" post. So lay off. Besides, DID YOU READ IT? I said it wasn't directed at YOU! It was directed at everyone who keeps putting something that no one knows anything about down as if it's the end of the world. I didn't say YOU said it.

[Dahne]

I hope Nintendo gets back to the top. I'd hate to see the industry become nothing but a side investment of other companies.

[NintendoMan]

I just had too say one more time that Sony and Microsoft might sell alot of systems, but EVERYTHING they have is trash. Espcially PS2, just everything about it sucks!

NINTENDO ROCK!!!
:D :D :D

[Raven1280]

Why does everyone assume that cd games from that era have to be FMV.........Look at the turbo cd most of its games weren't FMV.

[Jasoco]

Why does everyone assume that cd games from that era have to be FMV.........Look at the turbo cd most of its games weren't FMV.And it still failed.

Look, the point was that if Nintendo had released the PlayStation add-on for the SNES, it would have failed just like every other CD based system at the time.

The world just was not ready at the time for a CD based system.

Another factor was it was an "Add-on" and not a whole new system. People didn't want to invest a lot of money to upgrade their SNES. Just like most people didn't want to spend a lot of money to upgrade their Genesis'.

Point is, it would have not worked. Some people would have bought it. It may have been a great collectable, but it would have hurt Nintendo.

The whole problem is that Nintendo would have lost either way.

Either they release it, it flops, they lose lots of money.

Or they cancel it, (After totally boning Sony by going to Phillips was it?) Sony releases the PlayStation to compete.

It was lose-lose. Which would have cost them more loss, though? They had to make a choice. A choice was made. Nothing can change it. To them, they thought they made the right one. They didn't kow Sony was plotting behind their back, they simply saw CD systems failing all over and pulled the idea before it took too much money. Any smart company would do it too. They chose the option they thought would save them from a huge loss. It may have proved wrong in the long run, but to them it was right.

So everyone stop weeping over the loss of a CD based SNES add-on and be thankful for what you got.

One must think, though. Which would have been cooler to collect for? A flopped Nintendo CD system or the Virtual Boy? ;) And would the VB even be here had the CD come out? For all we know, the CD could have prompted the release of a more powerful 3D system sooner (Sony-backed. Square supported. CD based. The Nintendo 64.) and the VB may not have even been conceived.

History can not be changed.. Unless you're Serious Sam or Marty McFly.

[DotCom]

History can not be changed.. Unless you're Serious Sam or Marty McFly.

LOL Good one...

[WiseSalesman]

I just had too say one more time that Sony and Microsoft might sell alot of systems, but EVERYTHING they have is trash. Espcially PS2, just everything about it sucks!

NINTENDO ROCK!!!
:D :D :D

And, the thread goes rapidly down hill.....

[Captain Wrong]

Where were you before the Ngage released?There's a HUGE difference. When we were all making fun of the N-Gage, it's because we knew EXACTLY what it was going to be. A handheld Phone-Game system. And we KNEW it couldn't compete with Nintendo.

But NO ONE knows anything about the DS aside from insiders. This is COMPLETELY different. WAIT until Nintendo releases more info, like what exactly it will do, before you start plotting Nintendo's demise. Geeze, people!

Umm...ok. People were dissing the N Gage from the moment it was announced, waaay before anything was known about the system. Absolutely no difference whatsoever between that situation and this one except some how Nintendo is sacred ground no one is ever to cast any doubt on while everyone else who even thinks about getting in the business is fair game to bash as much as anyone wants.

Honestly, I could give a fuck what happens. I'm just tired of fanboys.

EDIT: to be clear, I agree with your basic point that people should wait until they play the damn thing to form an opinion, I just hate the double standard anytime anything with Nintendo comes up. And I'm not pointing a finger at you, becuase god knows there's millions of Nintendo fanboys around. I just find the fact that people are getting so defensive about this very ironic considering that the N Gage situation (which, yes, WAS the exact same thing where people are forecasting doom for something they've not even expirenced first hand) was pretty much open season.

[Jasoco]

Honestly, I could give a fuck what happens. I'm just tired of fanboys.
So am I.

[NintendoMan]

Nintendo is NOWHERE near doomed. Gamecube and GBA have been selling great the past few months. Personally, I'm looking forward to the DS, and think it could be a really neat system.

I am really looking forward to the DS as well. I will be in line, GUARANTEED to be getting one the day it comes out! Even if, which it probably will, be around 199.99 or so, but who knows what the price will be?

[Epicenter]

Nintendo's CEO stated that all gamers wanted was 2 screens. Not gameplay, not graphics, not good sound, not great cutting-edge technology. He also said that he would ensure Nintendo put a large enough stake in the project that if it failed Nintendo wouldn't go out of business .. but they would have to leave the industry forever. How's that for a press release?

And Sony's PsP is a terrible idea. The PS1/PSX's only real strength was its HUGE library of games. Only the games they CHOOSE to re-release will be available! The screen is too small for games meant for TV play .. it eats batteries like popcorn (Sony's Game Gear II, anyone?) .. and given Sony's problems making reliable drive hardware for use in the same place at all times (At home, in home console use..) how do you think their new machines will hold up when being moved and jostled around? The PS2's gears stripped out and made it unable to play DVDs, most PS1's had to be turned upside-down or sideways to make them read discs (presumably due to laser failure). Even my Sony portable CD Player is plagued by this-- you must press a certain part of the lid at all times to increase pressure on the disc to ensure good reading from the laser. Ridiculous.

And Microsoft in the meantime is likely going to shoot themselves in the foot with their confused project 'XBox Next' .. especially if they use a PowerPC chip. XBox's strength was its ability to run PC games that could be ported in a matter of weeks. Redesigning them for MULTIPLE PROCESSORS will be a LOT more work, meaning not enough launch titles ( or titles PERIOD ), limited third party support. The PROBLEMS THE SATURN HAD! It scared off third parties because 2 CPUs were hard to code for! And now Microsoft is diving into (to them) uncharted territory with only developers used to coding for the PC x86 platform. Ouch.

These times are looking grim for everyone! Not just Nintendo ..

[Jasoco]

It's gonna be a fun ride. I can't wait.

You all still think there won't be another crash? ;) J/K Actually, a crash would give me time to catch up on collecting. So bring it on!

[charitycasegreg]

I think there may be another crash sometime. I mean for each system, its about making the games look more real and less blocky/pixilated/choppy...etc., be smoother, more things to do in the game and so on. How long will it take until they are at the max of how real the game will look? They will eventually run out of ideas for new great games. Well at least I dont think that in 15 years, the new system will have 100 great games.

[Push Upstairs]

Umm...ok. People were dissing the N Gage from the moment it was announced, waaay before anything was known about the system. Absolutely no difference whatsoever between that situation and this one except some how Nintendo is sacred ground no one is ever to cast any doubt on while everyone else who even thinks about getting in the business is fair game to bash as much as anyone wants.

Honestly, I could give a fuck what happens. I'm just tired of fanboys.

EDIT: to be clear, I agree with your basic point that people should wait until they play the damn thing to form an opinion, I just hate the double standard anytime anything with Nintendo comes up. And I'm not pointing a finger at you, becuase god knows there's millions of Nintendo fanboys around. I just find the fact that people are getting so defensive about this very ironic considering that the N Gage situation (which, yes, WAS the exact same thing where people are forecasting doom for something they've not even expirenced first hand) was pretty much open season.

I remember this crap. Not on this forum but another sub-standard game forum where everything Nintendo was holy but any other game system was open season to bash and talk about how it wasnt Nintendo. I left that putrid cesspool of bias to come to this forum...and i am much happier here.

I 100% agree with you Captain Wrong, the DS situation and the N-Gage situation are one and the same. The only difference is that the DS has legions of fanatics to back it up while the N-Gage didnt.

[Pente]

I think maybe. The DS wont be popular because noone really cares about it. I havent seen one positive comment about it.

Most prophetic post evah! LOL

[bangtango]

I can see why this thread disappeared for two years. Thinking Nintendo will go away is a joke. All they need is the same type of stranglehold on third-parties that they had in the 1980's and 1990's. If that happens and Sony ended up becoming second banana, or third banana, to those other developers then they will be the ones in trouble. Nintendo actually has enough first-party firepower which Sony and Microsoft will never possess.

Nintendo can sell enough systems, at least one or two million each time out, on account of a single Mario game and a single Zelda game. Why should they cave in and let some outsider like Sony get their hands on those characters or licenses? Let Sony have their exclusive (and repetitive) Grand Theft Auto type of games, which seems like is all they have going for them for months at a time.

People say Nintendo markets to kids but some of the games you see on Playstation market to the Adam Sandler, "Maxim Magazine", Ashton Kutcher, "Jackass" or Beavis & Butthead mentality. Heh, heh, fire. Cool!!!!! Heh, heh, guns..... No better than Nintendo. Almost the same common denominator, just in two different age groups. Sony manages to paint themselves in a corner too, on occasion, by being stubborn with their direction.

Sony without the third parties would be like Sega when they were trying to keep the Dreamcast in the console wars. But at least Sega could make a good game here and there.

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