[Any adults here..or just children??!!]

[Player-2]

Let me tick some people off here.I have been wandering around this site for quite a while now...and I routinely read about people (must be children and older infants)laughing at prices paid for collectibles by buyers.My wife and I (avid gamers for decades)represent the 40 and 50 year old age groups.Age (sprinkled with education and intelligence) will teach anyone that the value of an item is ALWAYS set by the buyer...not the seller...and certainly not by those who sit at the sidelines and lack the finances,insight, and ability to acquire those items.If price alone dictates the value of an item,there will be no retro anything.I have, on occasion,paid too much money for an item;but it saves me hours of lost and wasted time searching.I decided the better value was saving the time.Children think in terms of money...adults understand the meaning of value.Just because Bill Gates can buy and sell your ass for as much as he wants,doesn't make him a fool.Some of the folks are getting in the way of retro-gaming and collecting with thier demeaning attitudes toward buyers.They may be better served by nickelodeon's(sp?) website. In fact,I will make a lead post of this to see if I am the odd one out...maybe I don't belong.

[Griking]

I've always felt and said that something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Unfortunately the majority of the people on this site are too used to getting something for nothing. Hell, I've seen people here complain when their local Goodwill wants $3.00 for Atari 2600 carts. How can you argue with these people?

[Funkenstein]

I've always felt and said that something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Unfortunately the majority of the people on this site are too used to getting something for nothing. Hell, I've seen people here complain when their local Goodwill wants $3.00 for Atari 2600 carts. How can you argue with these people?

I don't think it's something for nothing, I think it's just thriftness. Why pay more for something than you have to? If someone wants to pay $10 for a game and have it right then and there, then more power to them, but if they can wait and see if they can get the same game in the same condition for less, why shouldn't they? This thread is mostly used to show auctions that ar obviously dishonest or ridiculously overpriced and obviously trying to rip-off someone who doesn't know better. Two or three hundred dollars for one game that isn't too rare is a bit high.

[Player-2]

I've always felt and said that something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Unfortunately the majority of the people on this site are too used to getting something for nothing. Hell, I've seen people here complain when their local Goodwill wants $3.00 for Atari 2600 carts. How can you argue with these people?

I don't think it's something for nothing, I think it's just thriftness. Why pay more for something than you have to? If someone wants to pay $10 for a game and have it right then and there, then more power to them, but if they can wait and see if they can get the same game in the same condition for less, why shouldn't they? This thread is mostly used to show auctions that ar obviously dishonest or ridiculously overpriced and obviously trying to rip-off someone who doesn't know better. Two or three hundred dollars for one game that isn't too rare is a bit high.


Your point makes my point.How many hours will you spend saving that piece of ten bucks?AND two or three hundred dollars for one game..no matter what it is....is EXACTLY the right price if the buyer has the where-with-all and the wish to acquire it.You don't know his/her need.If it's a scam,that's different...but most of what I see is : people who don't agrre with a purchase,diminshing the character of the person who bought it.It's offensive to many of us (i know,I know..poor me).Mommies will only let thier kids crap thier pants for so long...eventually one is expected to understand better ways and grow out of it.I feel we have too many "mommies little crappers" on this forum at times

[Funkenstein]

.How many hours will you spend saving that piece of ten bucks? AND two or three hundred dollars for one game..no matter what it is....is EXACTLY the right price if the buyer has the where-with-all and the wish to acquire it.You don't know his/her need.If it's a scam,that's different...but most of what I see is : people who don't agrre with a purchase,diminshing the character of the person who bought it.It's offensive to many of us (i know,I know..poor me).Mommies will only let thier kids crap thier pants for so long...eventually one is expected to understand better ways and grow out of it.I feel we have too many "mommies little crappers" on this forum at times

It's not a question of hours saved I think. People in this day and age are used to wanting something and getting it immediately, and ebay is one of the worst proponents of that. The look up what they want, switch to the BIN's, use paypal and it's on its way. Part of the fun of collecting is the thrill of the hunt, finding an incredible deal on a sealed FF3 not just getting it right away as an impulse buy. Ebay is a good way to get hard to find games but it's a bit like shooting fish in a barrell with a very expensive rifle.

I agree with you that if someone thinks a game is worth that amount of money then they should get it. Worth is in the eye of the behodler. I can't speak for others, but in this thread but I don't see any diminishing of character, just discussion on a very high price for one specific game. Personally, I think this smacks of scam, someone selling and hoping a person would buy it thinking they've found a great deal. That's my opinion.

And as for the "mommies little crappers," if you don't like jerks then the internet's not a good place to hang out.

[portnoyd]

I didn't know the replies for Player2's topic would be put here. ;) Don't mean to push a dual topic, but I wanted to reply here.

I agree with Funkenstein. The point of "AND I WANT IT NOW, RIGHT NOW" is very important.

And we have the right to "(not) agree with a purchase". This is Internet after all.

dave

[insert from other thread, to keep discussion going in *1* place]

Ummm... what?

Basically what you're trying to do is justify paying $200+ for a sealed FF SNES game, since you posted this also in that thread. We'll use that as an example.

The child, as you put it, is wrong to think that paying $200 for a game that is up on eBay all the time (without shrinkwrap) is a bad move. For them value = money.

The adult feels they know the value of a sealed FF SNES game, and the amount is justified and logical. They have the money, and that's how they want to spend it, even if the money they pay will not 'turn around' for them in the end. For them, value = money + (outside perceived factors).

Right?

Well, first off, your own view is skewed by the fact that you do have money like this to spend - let's be honest! It's not about ability and insight - it's about finances. If you can blow $200 on FF2 SNES sealed, you should, by your logic, if you feel the value is right. Insight and ability would preclude trying to get it for a lower price - spending less, and buying more. Anyone with a nice bankroll can force through and buy up a storm.

Which is fine. But the rest of us have tight wallets. And we're more concerned with stretching our dollar. And the chance of us stretching that dollar on an item decreases when someone throws the hammer down, to say.

The real problem, and the ridicule's source, is that people do this sort of thing, and set precedents. Sure, they do their thing, but the other bidders do not know your value logic. They don't know you're saving time. And now, the game's price jumps. And you screw us all. The other bidders, the REAL uneducated collectors, just go by this precedent, and it's an uphill climb from there.

In some cases, game prices go uneffected. Loneeagle4u's panesian purchase comes to mind. We don't know why he bid so much, was it because he didn't want to be bothered to wait and fight for it, or was it because he truly, for some reason, thought PABP was worth nearly a grand? I know I don't care that much to find out. But prices recovered. Fine.

In other cases, the precedent is set, and it's all over. Anyone remember the time when a DKC comp cart could be had for $40? In that case, the jump was more justified - it is a rare game. However, other games, like the Punisher on Genesis, grabbing $40+ complete, when 6 months prior, it struggled to get $10. I'd be fuming if I hadn't gotten it before that time. And I felt the need to ridicule those who just set the precedent on a game that could have effected me.

And it's a very broad generalization to think that those of us who haunt this forum don't take things into account 'like adults'. Personally, as one of the 'children' labeled in this post, I have the time to hunt for deals. I'm single, no kids, and previously had no job. I don't have to throw down extra cash if I don't have to, because I'll be patient. And I don't have the extra cash to throw down to save myself time.

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If price alone dictates the value of an item,there will be no retro anything


Ummm... what? When has this been said? You do know about the two big honking rarity guides DP does, right? ;D Most of the time (I can't remember any instances now, but I won't write it off) our ridicules are based on previous selling prices vs. rarity. Again, DKC comp cart. Did I flip out when that jumped to three figures? No. It was justified. But I did make a Genesis Insanity post regarding Punisher, and other titles like Toe Jam & Earl, where a copy went for $80 complete.

And I'll admit, a sealed game is a horrible example to start with on this sort of thing. Let's keep in mind people are going to be staring at this game, not playing it. Essentially, in reality, its value should be lower, since you can't play the game. Its original purpose. None who buys a sealed game, with a very small margin of difference, is going to open it and play it. But instead, it's way higher. Also, the value of FF SNES is skewed, because it's based on popularity, solely. The insight minded adult buyer would realize that they could get the game, for much less, complete and open.

And as far as retro anything, isn't it about enjoying the retro anything, instead of just collecting it?

I imagine this post is disjointed a bit. I jumped around, trying to tie it together, and make it flow. If you don't understand anything, reply, and I'll clarify.

dave

[Daria]

I've always felt and said that something is worth what someone is willing to pay for it. Unfortunately the majority of the people on this site are too used to getting something for nothing. Hell, I've seen people here complain when their local Goodwill wants $3.00 for Atari 2600 carts. How can you argue with these people?

I don't think it's something for nothing, I think it's just thriftness. Why pay more for something than you have to? If someone wants to pay $10 for a game and have it right then and there, then more power to them, but if they can wait and see if they can get the same game in the same condition for less, why shouldn't they? This thread is mostly used to show auctions that ar obviously dishonest or ridiculously overpriced and obviously trying to rip-off someone who doesn't know better. Two or three hundred dollars for one game that isn't too rare is a bit high.


Your point makes my point.How many hours will you spend saving that piece of ten bucks?AND two or three hundred dollars for one game..no matter what it is....is EXACTLY the right price if the buyer has the where-with-all and the wish to acquire it.You don't know his/her need.If it's a scam,that's different...but most of what I see is : people who don't agrre with a purchase,diminshing the character of the person who bought it.It's offensive to many of us (i know,I know..poor me).Mommies will only let thier kids crap thier pants for so long...eventually one is expected to understand better ways and grow out of it.I feel we have too many "mommies little crappers" on this forum at times

I'd also like to note that when I see a game for a price that I feel's a little high I simply search for another game. Chances are I'm going to find something on my "wishlist" for a decent price. I'll get both games eventually and save a little money in the process.

If it's a game I absolutely adore I have no qualms over paying a bit. According to the DP guide I over paid for my Lunar boxset by a good $30. But hey it was my money and I felt I spent it well. But if I'm shopping for something that's fairly common I can be paitent.

Is that what it means to be an adult? Wanting immediate satisfaction?

Also I've been to a lot of video game based forums, and this one has to have the oldest userbase. Sure not everyone's pushing 50, but at 20 I'd like to think I know how to manage a budget. If I hope to even scratch the size of some of these people's game collections I can't go and pay top dollar for every game. It's just not happening. Pay good money for the real gems and hunt for the others. Afterall this is a HOBBY and the hunt is half the fun.

[Player-2]

I can safely say I agree with most of what each of you say."I want it now" and "immediate gratification" are not the relevant issues.First ,those statements can also be translated to "I don't have time to chase every quarter in savings...I have many other things to do".Whoever bought that fantasy cart got what they wanted at a value they accepted.The buyer clearly set the price(or it would still be for sale).If they open it,play it,or dance with it;the cart,to them,held more value than did the cash.That,however,is still not the issue...one can't argue against the point of value...that's business 101.The issue I brought up was the "i know more than you" mentality of many of the postings in reference to purchases they don't agree with(or should I say...don't understand).And then the "he's an idiot" type of comments posted afterwards.If your goal is to only acquire games cheaply...why step on those who don't share that mindset.If your goal is to collect as a hobby....why post stabbing insults to someone who chooses to acquire items for other reasons.If you don't have the resources to purchase what you wish...why show disdain for those who may.Portnoyd makes my point perfectly with his inaccurate translation of the retro-hobby.There are a lot more gamers now than when DK competition cart or Toe jam was released.That means more collectors and retro-players.And that means more prices being established by the buyers.The fact that a cart was worth less before is simply supply and demand...it sure isn't complicated.The childish.demeaning events of which I speak are not about the purchases...rather the reaction to those purchases by folks who have decided that thier view of a carts value supercedes the buyers views.And then followed by silly character slams about that buyer.(sure wish I could read the other replies while I write this one).And by the way,I didn't impatiently hit the button twice...I tried to "back" out of this reply box and that seems to post doubles(I hate computers!!).I also read a few lines about patience.Patience is cool...but "failure to act" is not patience....there are other words for that.Blaming buyers for the rising price of collectables is silly.It's supposed to be that way.It's okay if you can't play with the "big dogs" ,but the whining puppy sounds on the sideline are distracting LOL LOL .Quit dogging and belittling folks that you don't agree with...it says more about the whiner than the buyer.

[Funkenstein]

It's okay if you can't play with the "big dogs" ,but the whining puppy sounds on the sideline are distracting LOL LOL .

Followed immediatly by


Quit dogging and belittling folks that you don't agree with


Way to instantly condtradict yourself.

This isn't a finance debate. The purpose of the forum is for people to post things on ebay that they think are silly. People think really high prices are silly. So they post them. If someone wants to pay $300 for an SNES game, that's their perogative. If someone wants to tattoo a picture of a chicken on their face, they can do that too, but they should expect to get questions as to why they did it. If the game is worth that much to them, then they probably don't give a flying toot what people say about them.

[Nez]

A lot of the subjects ive seen in the ebay insanity have been just that. When a common game goes for a price 2-3 times what it goes for at a store I find that crazy. Oh and as far as instant gratification goes you still have to wait quite some time for your won item to reach your home. If instant gratification is what you want get out the phone book and make some calls to your area gaming stores. An example I wanted suikoden 2 for the playstation I called some stores and grabed one for $20 rather then spend $80 on e bay and have to wait 3 weeks for it to arrive. Oh last but not least I am not a kid 20years old here.

[Funkenstein]

Not to deviate, but where the hell did you get Suikoden 2 for twenty bucks? I've never seen that thing dip below retail!

[Player-2]

It's okay if you can't play with the "big dogs" ,but the whining puppy sounds on the sideline are distracting LOL LOL .

Followed immediatly by


Quit dogging and belittling folks that you don't agree with


Way to instantly condtradict yourself.

This isn't a finance debate. The purpose of the forum is for people to post things on ebay that they think are silly. People think really high prices are silly. So they post them. If someone wants to pay $300 for an SNES game, that's their perogative. If someone wants to tattoo a picture of a chicken on their face, they can do that too, but they should expect to get questions as to why they did it. If the game is worth that much to them, then they probably don't give a flying toot what people say about them.

I'm sure you saw the smiley faces(I used two...shoulda used three).You are so correct...this is not about finances.It is about ridiculous reactions to other's purchases.If someone pays $300 for snes...or has a chicken on their face...they would expect some questioning.We agree.The disparaging remarks that follow(nothing to do with questioning) are the basis of this thread.None of you can say that you have not routinely seen these remarks posted here.Post all the silly high prices you feel necessary...it's the silly "he's a moron cause he doesn't see things like I do" remarks I am referring to.And I think each of you agree with me....or you are one of the people I am speaking of.

[Nez]

A small store called game world here in phx az

[Funkenstein]

I don't agree with you and I'm not one of the people you speak of.

I've never posted calling any one a name or questioning their individual purchase, but you're challenging the whole point of the Ebay forum, and I don't see a point in that. Personally, I've thought you've had a somewhat condescending attitude and if you want to get your point across, that's not the way to go about it. I'm not budging from my stance and you don't seem like the type to either. This isn't a battlezone and I don't like raising my post count with a fruitless argument so I suppose agreement on disagreement sounds palatable.

[jerkov]

Why am I not surprised that this thread was started by someone who owns a bunch of video game stores?

I think that this particular forum is meant for "insane shit" on eBay - whether that be some very unique items up for sale or if someone is paying way too much for something. If someone out there paid $50 for a copy of Super Mario Bros. 3 on eBay for the NES, does that mean that SMB 3 is worth $50? Maybe they clearly remember NES games selling for $50 new and don't understand the concept of depreciation, but the fact is that SMB 3 is a dirt common game that isn't worth anywhere near that. It doesn't matter that the buyer was willing to pay that price; the game just isn't worth that much no matter how you look at it. And the other thing is that a couple people may get involved in a bidding war and overpay way too much for a game. One jarring example that sticks out in my mind even a few years after the fact was an auction I saw for a Final Fantasy strategy guide that Nintendo Power put out for subscribers back in the early '90's (or was it late 80's?). Some misguided soul ended up paying almost $150 for a guide worth no more than $10 or $15 to most other people (which is what the guide usually goes for). Honestly, I believe there is plenty of justification in calling these people "idiots". But, I am not one of the people who is constantly criticizing or making fun of people for paying too much on here. I usually read a lot of people's comments in the forum, but I don't really contribute much to them. I'm sure I've overpaid for a few items over the years, but I also believe that I've gotten tons of unexpected great finds out in the wild, which is what keeps the hobby fun for me. So I don't think I'm one of the "children" that you speak of, but I think I'd side with said "children" over the mentality that you probably bring to your stores: it's OK to rip off unsuspecting buyers as long as they're dumb enough to willingly pay the price.

[Player-2]

I don't agree with you and I'm not one of the people you speak of.

I've never posted calling any one a name or questioning their individual purchase, but you're challenging the whole point of the Ebay forum, and I don't see a point in that. Personally, I've thought you've had a somewhat condescending attitude and if you want to get your point across, that's not the way to go about it. I'm not budging from my stance and you don't seem like the type to either. This isn't a battlezone and I don't like raising my post count with a fruitless argument so I suppose agreement on disagreement sounds palatable.

I started this thread off with the line"let me tick some people off".....and ,yes,you do agree with me. And the point of the "yet more ebay insanity" forum has not been attacked.The responses and insults directed towards buyers was attacked...as it should be.You need not be "budged"off your stance...you are standing right where you should be...with me. Your line "I've never posted calling anyone a name etc" shows that.(this is where you call me a name :) ) And condescending??? Probably so....but only to those few who deserve it. It's common for adults to talk down to children!! LOL LOL LOL (see,three of them) It's one of the curses of being old :( :( LOL

[Eternal Tune]

This thread makes me chuckle for some odd reason.

It wasn't more then two days ago, I made a statement to another DPer about how the general atmosphere of the forum, was a postive one. I've dealt with countless cases of "board drama," "flame wars," and name calling on random anime/gaming sites across the net. When I signed up for Digital Press, I mostly lurked, due to the fear of random "flame wars," though, I have yet to witness one.....

For some reason the word hypocrite is dancing around in my head. You get upset when someone attacks another person's reasoning, yet have no qualm in insulting just about everyone on this board, with a single statement (in reality all your posts...).

Story time! Now a few months ago, I found a nice sealed copy of Lunar: The Silver Star for the Sega CD on ebay. Bidded on, fought with the snipers and managed to win it for under 100 bucks after shipping. I could have easily purchased a mint opened copy for less then three times that, but I choose not to. That game was my one desire as a child. After years of disappointment, I got that one thing I wanted most as a child. Did I open it? Hell ya. Do I care if I killed it's "value." No, cause the only way I'd part with it, is when someone pries it from my cold dead hand. Did I take shit for my actions? Course, anyone who does something out of "standards" is going to. Do I care? No. Why don't I care when someone looks down upon an action, I would easily repeat? I remember one key phrase..."it's the fucking internet, get over it."

Heh, I really didn't add much to le thread, but that's pretty much my two zenny :D

And since, I felt, it needed to be done......according to urbandictionary.com

Adult: A person who has stopped growing at both ends and is now growing in the middle.

Child: Evil demon.
That child tried to decapitate me, so i shoved some cheese up her nose and threw her down a well... LOL

[captain nintendo]

A small store called game world here in phx az

:hmm: I live on the west side of phoenix. I must have missed out on that game :P

More on subject now :roll:

I believe in hunting for a good buy, but if I see a game or lot on ebay for a price a little over what I would normally pay I might go for it. But normally I just say...."Thats ok, I am sure I can get that later for a cheaper price".
Case in point, I just bought a mint complete Ghost Lion for NES on ebay for 6 dollars plus shipping. it came to right about 10 dollars. When I have been seeing this game for around the 25 dollar range for the past few months. I thought 25 dollars was about right for a hard to find game like that. But I knew the summer price drop was around the corner, so I decided to wait until I knew the price would drop. Or at the very least I might find it while at a swap meet. ;) I always talk to a few guys from dp on messenger and they are willing to pay higher prices than I.....I just tell them I am patient and can wait for a better deal :D

[roxybaby]

Based on your method of "discussing," I find it very hard to believe that you are 50. Someone who has seen that much of the world isn't usually one to resort to calling others children and infants within his first two sentences. That being said, I feel that you're basically trying to start an argument about human nature, for which is there is no right or wrong side but only opinions.

Your basic argument is that people shouldn't make fun of others who don't know better or feel fine with their own decision. Fine. But I suppose that you then never laugh at any comedian's jokes, that you never chortle at Jay Leno or David Letterman's monologues, that you never chuckle when someone falls off a sidewalk or when someone generally embarrasses themselves. Because those things are all the same. I don't dispute that members here have made posts calling buyers morons, but those posts are generally ignored. This is a community of all ages, physically and mentally.

I love how the members of this board have educated me. I probably was someone who threw my money away needlessly. This section alone has taught me that even if I don't win the auction for some game I really want today, it'll probably be back up within a week for a lower price. Value is certainly in the eye of the beholder, but I think that this section seeks to educate more than laugh at someone else's expense. The senior members and mods here who have complete collections probably didn't do it by tossing their money around, and they and others here just want to show us new folk (and each other) that people are willing to take advantage of others any way they can, and we need to learn not to fall prey to that.

Since your and my definitions of value seem to be different, I can't even begin to discuss that part of your argument with you. But I will say this -- if you don't want to be judged by us, then you probably shouldn't be judging us.

[Player-2]

Why am I not surprised that this thread was started by someone who owns a bunch of video game stores?

I think that this particular forum is meant for "insane shit" on eBay - whether that be some very unique items up for sale or if someone is paying way too much for something. If someone out there paid $50 for a copy of Super Mario Bros. 3 on eBay for the NES, does that mean that SMB 3 is worth $50? Maybe they clearly remember NES games selling for $50 new and don't understand the concept of depreciation, but the fact is that SMB 3 is a dirt common game that isn't worth anywhere near that. It doesn't matter that the buyer was willing to pay that price; the game just isn't worth that much no matter how you look at it. And the other thing is that a couple people may get involved in a bidding war and overpay way too much for a game. One jarring example that sticks out in my mind even a few years after the fact was an auction I saw for a Final Fantasy strategy guide that Nintendo Power put out for subscribers back in the early '90's (or was it late 80's?). Some misguided soul ended up paying almost $150 for a guide worth no more than $10 or $15 to most other people (which is what the guide usually goes for). Honestly, I believe there is plenty of justification in calling these people "idiots". But, I am not one of the people who is constantly criticizing or making fun of people for paying too much on here. I usually read a lot of people's comments in the forum, but I don't really contribute much to them. I'm sure I've overpaid for a few items over the years, but I also believe that I've gotten tons of unexpected great finds out in the wild, which is what keeps the hobby fun for me. So I don't think I'm one of the "children" that you speak of, but I think I'd side with said "children" over the mentality that you probably bring to your stores: it's OK to rip off unsuspecting buyers as long as they're dumb enough to willingly pay the price.

I am stunned by the responses generated by this post.Each person says that they don't belittle buyers who seem to pay too much(and I assume sellers who sell too cheap) yet they are then offeded by my remarks that were CLEARLY not meant for them.The belittling tag of "child" was meant to be inflammatory...to those who have earned it.I wanted to know if this site was populated by kids who couldn't control themselves,or by people who had something to offer(other than insults).Mr. jerkov, you say you paid too much for a game because you really wanted it(making my point eloquently) and you had personal reason to cause that game to have that higher value to you.At this point,all the "children" should be laughing at you ,demeaning your character,calling you an idiot,etc. .The "adults" understand your reasoning and would casually accept it.The $50 mario cart argument is silly.Of course adults understand depreciation.Buyers set the price for an item...not one buyer.And that still would not make the buyer an idiot..it would make him uninformed and having made a bad deal.But in the buyers eyes(the only eyes that really matter) he got what he wanted at a price he felt was reasonable.He has not earned a personal attack.Your remark"I am not one of those people who constantly criticizes or makes fun of people"simply shows that you too see the same thing I have seen...people who constantly criticize and make fun of people.Your choice to side yourself with the "children" seems appropriate,since your next move was to attack my business practices (that you ,of course,know nothing about).Only a limited sight would allow someone to believe that a business can succeed for ten years by screwing customers(dumb,unsuspecting buyers you phrased it).It is these kind of remarks that I am speaking of....you don't agree with me,so you attack in a "childish" unknowing manner with disparaging remarks that can easily be shown to be ridiculous.So far the count seems to be 7 adults and 1 grown child.You all just keep on attacking my premise....it has so far made my point....and agree with me.I have yet to hear anyone take the opposite position...that if you don't agree with a deal,you should belittle the character of the people involved in that deal.

[Player-2]

Based on your method of "discussing," I find it very hard to believe that you are 50. Someone who has seen that much of the world isn't usually one to resort to calling others children and infants within his first two sentences. That being said, I feel that you're basically trying to start an argument about human nature, for which is there is no right or wrong side but only opinions.

Your basic argument is that people shouldn't make fun of others who don't know better or feel fine with their own decision. Fine. But I suppose that you then never laugh at any comedian's jokes, that you never chortle at Jay Leno or David Letterman's monologues, that you never chuckle when someone falls off a sidewalk or when someone generally embarrasses themselves. Because those things are all the same. I don't dispute that members here have made posts calling buyers morons, but those posts are generally ignored. This is a community of all ages, physically and mentally.



I love how the members of this board have educated me. I probably was someone who threw my money away needlessly. This section alone has taught me that even if I don't win the auction for some game I really want today, it'll probably be back up within a week for a lower price. Value is certainly in the eye of the beholder, but I think that this section seeks to educate more than laugh at someone else's expense. The senior members and mods here who have complete collections probably didn't do it by tossing their money around, and they and others here just want to show us new folk (and each other) that people are willing to take advantage of others any way they can, and we need to learn not to fall prey to that.

Since your and my definitions of value seem to be different, I can't even begin to discuss that part of your argument with you. But I will say this -- if you don't want to be judged by us, then you probably shouldn't be judging us.

Very,very nice!I agree with you completely.Comedy is wonderful.And I too have learned much here.But your last line is incorrect.I don't mind at all being judged...I started this thread with inflammatory remarks for the sole purpose of getting responses.But please read my posts.My remarks are clearly meant to bring out the"babies" who have little more than insults as weapons.If you don't fall into that category.then please don't be offended.No one (except jerkov) has disagreed with me,yet.A few people have become defensive,but have not disagreed with my premise.One other correction..it is not human nature to attack...it is to defend.

[NE146]

I never comment about prices.. and if Bill Gates want's to buy a loose 2600 Space Invaders cartridge for $300k that's up to him. Anyone with cash can do whatever they want.

But that doesn't mean we shouldn't or can't comment on how dumb it was :P

[portnoyd]

Big. Honking. Blocks. Of Text.

Let's break it down.

But I have to ask, am I the grown child? Am I? Am I, huh huh? Please be an adult with your insults, and come out right at the person who you are against. Don't be a child yourself, and veil them. If it's me, I'd like to know.


The issue I brought up was the "i know more than you" mentality of many of the postings in reference to purchases they don't agree with(or should I say...don't understand).

Well, to be blunt, I do. As roxybaby said, I tried my damnedest to get my NES collection complete as cheapy as possible.. even more so with Genesis. I've gone through the paces.


And then the "he's an idiot" type of comments posted afterwards.If your goal is to only acquire games cheaply...why step on those who don't share that mindset. If your goal is to collect as a hobby....why post stabbing insults to someone who chooses to acquire items for other reasons.If you don't have the resources to purchase what you wish...why show disdain for those who may.

Why not? It's the net, you know. You must have not been on that long (I think you've said this before). Like I said before, if they did it for the 'value', fine. If they did it because they didn't put in the due diligence to determine what the going rate is, then they are indeed ignorant.

If it bothers them that much, they can explain themselves like you did. Now we understand where you're coming from.


Portnoyd makes my point perfectly with his inaccurate translation of the retro-hobby.There are a lot more gamers now than when DK competition cart or Toe jam was released.That means more collectors and retro-players. That means more collectors and retro-players.And that means more prices being established by the buyers.The fact that a cart was worth less before is simply supply and demand...it sure isn't complicated.The childish.demeaning events of which I speak are not about the purchases...rather the reaction to those purchases by folks who have decided that thier view of a carts value supercedes the buyers views

I'm sure you saw the smiley faces(I used two...shoulda used three).You are so correct...this is not about finances.It is about ridiculous reactions to other's purchases.If someone pays $300 for snes...or has a chicken on their face...they would expect some questioning.We agree.The disparaging remarks that follow(nothing to do with questioning) are the basis of this thread.None of you can say that you have not routinely seen these remarks posted here.Post all the silly high prices you feel necessary...it's the silly "he's a moron cause he doesn't see things like I do" remarks I am referring to.And I think each of you agree with me....or you are one of the people I am speaking of.

+ the rest of player2's posts.

And I'm absolutely the one he's talking about.

I'll stop talking about value, because, as an adult view or child view, like roxybaby said, it's a matter of opinion. I guess it comes down to justification of spending.

And it's also not the main point here, apparently.

The point is why rip into people on their spending.

The answer is comedy.

Yes, I will post insults and gags towards other people who I feel have made a mistake. One thing about me is I'm all about getting laughs. If I see an opportunity to get a laugh - I take it! I'm not going to hold back. Just how I am. In real life, I try to avoid doing it towards people directly, but like I said, this is the net. Kind of like the Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-03-19

And like roxybaby said, people learn off of this stuff in here. If I can get some laughs in as well, cool. I could just say "What was this guy thinking?" or "No way I would pay that much", but if I can twist it into a gag, sure, why not?

And through all this, honestly, the people who know me off the net, know that I'm not an asshole. I just play one on the net.

I also hope that you remain mature when sending out my end of the deal. I know you will, but words sometimes can't fully demonstrate how someone feels towards you. (i.e. If you REALLY don't like me, or just think I act stupid sometimes).

dave

[Buyatari]

I suppose when we get old and our bodies start to give out we too will take the shortest possible route involving the least amount of body movement no matter what the financial cost. Yes, us young can run around all day from flee market to thrift store and actully enjoy the experience.

So what about your fellow old people who run back an forth to Canada to get cheap drugs. Are these people childish? Are they wasting percious time they could be spending making arguments on drug message boards?

Adam

[Jibbajaba]

I just read this entire thread for the first time, and I must say that I'm a bit confused with Player-2's position. He's annoyed because some people in this forum feel that he paid too much for a game, and pointed it out in a forum that is designed for exactly that purpose.

Before I get into that, however, I want to say this: Anyone with a bunch of extra money can get onto eBay and buy himself a complete collection of games for any system within a short amount of time if he or she doesn't care how much they spend. But where is the fun in that? The fun in collecting as a hobby is not the having, it's the getting. I do it for the feeling of exhilaration I get when I walk into a thrift store and find a rare game prices at one or two dollars. Maybe I am not as serious a collector as some of these guys in here but in my opinion part of being a smart game collector is recognizing a good deal so that some of my gaming money can live on to see the next deal. I would be kicking myself if I paid so much for one game that I didnt have any discressionary income left when a great deal came my way.

It seems to me like you are placating your own ego by coming in here and showing off that you can pay whatever price you want for a game because you have lots of money. I'm not at all impressed. I am however impressed when I look at my own video game collection and think of how little money it took to put it together because I search out the good deals. To me that isn't time wasted because it is time spent doing what I love: collecting video games. What you have shown to me here is that you are not a video game collector. That is not meant as a slant, it's simply a fact. You enjoy playing games and you have some extra cash so you just buy whatever you want at whatever price then you go play your game. That's great, but what does it have to do with us? That isn't what this forum is about, and it isn't what this site is about.

Look, if you want to spend how ever much money on whatever game it was that you bought, then that's your business and you don't have to justify it to anyone, but eBay is a public place, and so is this forum, and we have the right to question your actions amongst ourselves, and frankly we have the right to make fun of you in the most childish way possible if that's what we feel like doing. I totally agree with what Portnoyd said; sometimes its all about laughs. Is it childish? I guess, but most humor is childish.

The bottom line is this: you are not satisfied with your experience in this forum. We who sit on the sidelines and boo and hiss at the bad play are distracting and irritating you. If you go to a restaurant and the food is bad, only an idiot comes back for seconds. But you did. Even though there are plenty of other "restaurants" for you to go to, you chose to stay here and go off on a diatribe about how the food sucks. I'm sorry that you find it annoying that we make comments about people who make uneducated purchases, but I for one find people who bitch about getting flamed on an internet board far more annoying, Welcome to the internet, boy.

[Daria]

I suppose when we get old and our bodies start to give out we too will take the shortest possible route involving the least amount of body movement...

That would certainly explain why he refuses to use the space bar.

[sisko]

Quite frankly, I've had one hell of a time reading any of your posts. It is common practice to use two spaces after every sentence. All of your posts look like one giant run-on sentence.

Anyway.

From what I was able to understand, your definition of a good find involves time spent looking for an item, rather than "chasing every quarter in savings"

Fair enough, I can certainly understand that, but it is just not my stance. I don't chase every quarter in savings, but I know a great deal when I see one, as do I know a fair one, and a bad one. Does that make me a child for being able to recognize the difference?

Common example: A flea market up here has a seller who routinely sells copies of SMB/DH for $5, loose. If I had any desire to, I could buy the game right then and there. I also know that I could simply come to this board and ask for a copy, and I would have 30 offers by the end of the night just for the cost of shipping, a few members that I constantly deal with would probably even offer it up for free. Doesn't it seem rather fool hardy to pay more than 2.5 times for something simply because you couldn't wait a week?

Ok, so it was a small example, but it can be taken to much bigger scales. Would you not wait a month or two to obtain a rarer game for $100 less? Alas, its your money, and if you're giving it to me , I would have no complaints.

Patience is indeed a virtue.

[Player-2]

My,my,my...I have really garnered disdain from the masses here.
First,let me say,I bought no game and this post is not about anyone disparaging me.
Second,(and notice the space bar)...No,Portnoyd,you are not the "child" I referred to. It was "jerkov"'s attack on my business(I believe I named him in that post) for no reason that resulted in my "label" of his ability to discuss an issue.Our deal is solid.An irrelevant post such as this would not cause me to lower my integrity.Your trust in me will be honored.
Third(another space bar) I have not one time said there is anything wrong with finding good deals and saving money. I said CLEARLY that it is attacking a buyer who may not have chosen that route is what is ridiculous and childish.
Someone mentioned going to Canada to save money.Cool with me.Does that make the ones who didn't fools?
Collect at any pace you wish...but don't feel cleared to disparage those that choose not to agree with your pace.(It took me four years to collect every NES cart).
I am still amazed that most of the replies have been about "I should get my best deal". Well,duh! But why does that justify anyone belittling the other if their version of the best deal is different from yours?
I have now been attacked as old,lazy,a dishonest businessman,condescending,and ...
All I did was point out what many of you have agreed to...that you see a lot of disparaging remarks towards individuals who spent more on an item than you would/could.Those type of responses are silly(and maybe occasionally comedic).(need to hit space bar here)
Then someone said something about one bad meal should make you stay away from a restaurant...goofy. I enjoy DP...it is quite informative.The fact that I have seen a few "bad meals" on this forum doesn't destroy the quality of the usually valuable other offerings. IT GETS IN THE WAY. As do those "babies" who whine about other peoples transactions.
Save your money...find your deals...collect your items...point out dishonest auctions...highlight unusual auctions. But a little effort on maintaining a reasonable demeanor pays off well.
Why are so many of you acting as though you have been attacked(other than the deserving one)?This is a lot of fun....but I still don't know why anyone thinks I bought anything (and was flamed for it).No one said anything bad about me....until now,anyway.I am pointing out a generality on this forum that most of you have acknowldged exists.Attack me if you feel it the best way to vocalize your argument.....my wife and I have gotten quite a few smiles from it(we love children LOL ).But at least try to address the point.
Someone also said "patience is a virtue". Very true,but inaction is not. It may require some insight to distinguish the difference.
GO PORTNOYD....I like your responses the best.You can make your arguments well...without the need to insult.Even though you are wrong...you are still alright with me!! Your NWC cart is on the way.You'll have it before the weekend.
NOW.....COME GET ME KIDS!!!

[Daria]

Off topic but oh well.

I'm noting the space bar but you're still not using it after your periods and commas. Not trying to be a grammer Nazi but it does make your posts a little hard to read, especially when they're huge blocks of unbroken text, as port's noted.

[jerkov]

I am stunned by the responses generated by this post.Each person says that they don't belittle buyers who seem to pay too much(and I assume sellers who sell too cheap) yet they are then offeded by my remarks that were CLEARLY not meant for them.The belittling tag of "child" was meant to be inflammatory...to those who have earned it.I wanted to know if this site was populated by kids who couldn't control themselves,or by people who had something to offer(other than insults).Mr. jerkov, you say you paid too much for a game because you really wanted it(making my point eloquently) and you had personal reason to cause that game to have that higher value to you.At this point,all the "children" should be laughing at you ,demeaning your character,calling you an idiot,etc. .The "adults" understand your reasoning and would casually accept it.The $50 mario cart argument is silly.Of course adults understand depreciation.Buyers set the price for an item...not one buyer.And that still would not make the buyer an idiot..it would make him uninformed and having made a bad deal.But in the buyers eyes(the only eyes that really matter) he got what he wanted at a price he felt was reasonable.He has not earned a personal attack.Your remark"I am not one of those people who constantly criticizes or makes fun of people"simply shows that you too see the same thing I have seen...people who constantly criticize and make fun of people.Your choice to side yourself with the "children" seems appropriate,since your next move was to attack my business practices (that you ,of course,know nothing about).Only a limited sight would allow someone to believe that a business can succeed for ten years by screwing customers(dumb,unsuspecting buyers you phrased it).It is these kind of remarks that I am speaking of....you don't agree with me,so you attack in a "childish" unknowing manner with disparaging remarks that can easily be shown to be ridiculous.So far the count seems to be 7 adults and 1 grown child.You all just keep on attacking my premise....it has so far made my point....and agree with me.I have yet to hear anyone take the opposite position...that if you don't agree with a deal,you should belittle the character of the people involved in that deal.

OK, so I obviously I struck a nerve when I questioned your business practices. You can label me a "child" all you want, the fact is that I find it rather interesting that someone who deals in video games is bitching about a small group on this forum who comment on people who overpay for stuff. Why does this bother you so much? You're right, I know nothing about your business practices, but I'm just putting 2 and 2 together. Frankly, I don't care about you or your business - I'll never be dealing with you, so I couldn't care less how low or high your prices are. I have a couple of vendors that deal in retro games around me that charge absurd prices - I never buy anything off them, except in the rare case that they don't know anything about a game and are actually selling it at a good price. I feel bad for those who do pay these absurd prices, but yes, they are idiots. Instead of taking five minutes of doing a little research to find out what games are actually worth, they decide to make an ignorant purchase. If a vendor can continually get away with this (like the ones in my area), I guess more power to them, but they won't be getting my business.

The bottom line: if you don't like the posts making fun of eBay purchases, don't read them. Your poorly written crusade isn't going to make anyone change their minds or their posting habits.

[Player-2]

I just read this entire thread for the first time, and I must say that I'm a bit confused with Player-2's position. He's annoyed because some people in this forum feel that he paid too much for a game, and pointed it out in a forum that is designed for exactly that purpose.

Before I get into that, however, I want to say this: Anyone with a bunch of extra money can get onto eBay and buy himself a complete collection of games for any system within a short amount of time if he or she doesn't care how much they spend. But where is the fun in that? The fun in collecting as a hobby is not the having, it's the getting. I do it for the feeling of exhilaration I get when I walk into a thrift store and find a rare game prices at one or two dollars. Maybe I am not as serious a collector as some of these guys in here but in my opinion part of being a smart game collector is recognizing a good deal so that some of my gaming money can live on to see the next deal. I would be kicking myself if I paid so much for one game that I didnt have any discressionary income left when a great deal came my way.

It seems to me like you are placating your own ego by coming in here and showing off that you can pay whatever price you want for a game because you have lots of money. I'm not at all impressed. I am however impressed when I look at my own video game collection and think of how little money it took to put it together because I search out the good deals. To me that isn't time wasted because it is time spent doing what I love: collecting video games. What you have shown to me here is that you are not a video game collector. That is not meant as a slant, it's simply a fact. You enjoy playing games and you have some extra cash so you just buy whatever you want at whatever price then you go play your game. That's great, but what does it have to do with us? That isn't what this forum is about, and it isn't what this site is about.

Look, if you want to spend how ever much money on whatever game it was that you bought, then that's your business and you don't have to justify it to anyone, but eBay is a public place, and so is this forum, and we have the right to question your actions amongst ourselves, and frankly we have the right to make fun of you in the most childish way possible if that's what we feel like doing. I totally agree with what Portnoyd said; sometimes its all about laughs. Is it childish? I guess, but most humor is childish.

The bottom line is this: you are not satisfied with your experience in this forum. We who sit on the sidelines and boo and hiss at the bad play are distracting and irritating you. If you go to a restaurant and the food is bad, only an idiot comes back for seconds. But you did. Even though there are plenty of other "restaurants" for you to go to, you chose to stay here and go off on a diatribe about how the food sucks. I'm sorry that you find it annoying that we make comments about people who make uneducated purchases, but I for one find people who bitch about getting flamed on an internet board far more annoying, Welcome to the internet, boy.

I'm afraid I don't know how to break up these paragraphs, we'll do it this way.
P1 Please reread the thread...a little slower...I purchased nothing.

P2 DUH

P3 Where did the notion come from that I have all this cash? Though my goal was clearly to impress you...I am only slightly upset that you don't think that I am the coolest guy in the world. Not a collector?? it's a fact?? Facts are indisputable. Your "opinion" is incorrect. And it has nothing to do with y'all

P4 One never has the right to pop someone...only the ability. One also has the ability to crap ones pants...but a better man would choose not to. There are many levels of humor. Children can be quite cruel to others who differ from them...it is humor to them...fortunately, most outgrow it.

P5 Did you ever get cold fries at McDonalds? Did you not go back? How many idiots will you add to your list? I wasn't bitching about being flamed (my wife and I are having a ball)...I was pointing out the flaming of others in general, when they disagree with your position. And, my goodness son, what kind of fellow ends his letter with "boy" ?!? With a little more effort, it is easy to be a much better man. Be well

[SegaAges]

Wow, this entire topic is making a very funny point: You are doing to the DP members what you are trying to scold them for.

You are trying to scold the people for being immature in making fun of people for their purchases, but aren't you trying to do the same thing to us as we are trying to do to people who make dumb purchases?

I would say so. You are talking about children in here. You say you are 50 and have many things to do, so why are you in here trying to call most of us children buddy. It's alright. I am just trying to make a point here.

I will not scold you like you are trying to do to us. I am just trying to figure out why you are doing this? Is there a reason why you posted this? I understand that you could be discouraged from people making negative comments towards another's purchase, but I am just wondering if you have seen the posts for people that display what they win. I am not talking about the post your recent winnings thread either. When somebody gets something they are really excited about, or even just thought it would be nice to have, they post it up. The most I have ever seen when it comes to somebody talking about price is one sentence that sounds a little like "great buy, but you could have posted in the boards and saved $10".

I don't see that as discouraging. And why haven't you talked about the fetus beads? Everybody needs some fetus beads! They are so awesome! Things like that are "insane". Sure people will buy them, but it is enough to get a few chuckles out of us.

Don't worry about age, as DP as a very large age range. There are very, very few here under 18-21.

Somebody said it before, this is the internet man. The internet is the best place to put somebody down (well according to you that is what is happening). Go to any big forum (there are many that are bigger than this), and there will be so much more slander in those. The people here are actually kind compared to others you will run across.

Maybe I should repeat what I said earlier, why are you doing to us the same thing you are scolding us about?

You are calling us children, well, I can vouch for myself that I am not one. I noticed many people trying to pick apart what you said piece by piece, but I don't think anybody has touched on what you are trying to say. They keep straying off to help with their argument (as I probably even have in this post).

The fact of the matter is your statement in whole. You say you are 50, yet are doing the same thing to us that you claim we are doing to eBayers. If you are saying that what we are doing makes us children and you are doing the same thing to us as we are doing to others, than wouldn't that make you a child also?

People comment on things on eBay like high prices for something to do in their spare time. Sure some of them have way too much time on their hands, but I am only one man, I can't give everybody in here a good night life (I have actually left a few posts about it).

Ease up man. Stop taking everything offensively. Buy your games and enjoy them. There is no reason to get all "hot 'N bisquits" just because a few people in here have a big mouth. If they said something pertaining directly to you, then pm them and discuss it with them. There is no reason to try and make the entire board look bad.

[Player-2]

Off topic but oh well.

I'm noting the space bar but you're still not using it after your periods and commas. Not trying to be a grammer Nazi but it does make your posts a little hard to read, especially when they're huge blocks of unbroken text, as port's noted.

Check out my last post!! I think I am getting the hang of it. Old dog...new tricks kinda thing. I didn't know about space bar techniques...it does make a difference. But I like your disparaging remarks better! Come get me!!!

[SegaAges]

I just read this entire thread for the first time, and I must say that I'm a bit confused with Player-2's position. He's annoyed because some people in this forum feel that he paid too much for a game, and pointed it out in a forum that is designed for exactly that purpose.

Before I get into that, however, I want to say this: Anyone with a bunch of extra money can get onto eBay and buy himself a complete collection of games for any system within a short amount of time if he or she doesn't care how much they spend. But where is the fun in that? The fun in collecting as a hobby is not the having, it's the getting. I do it for the feeling of exhilaration I get when I walk into a thrift store and find a rare game prices at one or two dollars. Maybe I am not as serious a collector as some of these guys in here but in my opinion part of being a smart game collector is recognizing a good deal so that some of my gaming money can live on to see the next deal. I would be kicking myself if I paid so much for one game that I didnt have any discressionary income left when a great deal came my way.

It seems to me like you are placating your own ego by coming in here and showing off that you can pay whatever price you want for a game because you have lots of money. I'm not at all impressed. I am however impressed when I look at my own video game collection and think of how little money it took to put it together because I search out the good deals. To me that isn't time wasted because it is time spent doing what I love: collecting video games. What you have shown to me here is that you are not a video game collector. That is not meant as a slant, it's simply a fact. You enjoy playing games and you have some extra cash so you just buy whatever you want at whatever price then you go play your game. That's great, but what does it have to do with us? That isn't what this forum is about, and it isn't what this site is about.

Look, if you want to spend how ever much money on whatever game it was that you bought, then that's your business and you don't have to justify it to anyone, but eBay is a public place, and so is this forum, and we have the right to question your actions amongst ourselves, and frankly we have the right to make fun of you in the most childish way possible if that's what we feel like doing. I totally agree with what Portnoyd said; sometimes its all about laughs. Is it childish? I guess, but most humor is childish.

The bottom line is this: you are not satisfied with your experience in this forum. We who sit on the sidelines and boo and hiss at the bad play are distracting and irritating you. If you go to a restaurant and the food is bad, only an idiot comes back for seconds. But you did. Even though there are plenty of other "restaurants" for you to go to, you chose to stay here and go off on a diatribe about how the food sucks. I'm sorry that you find it annoying that we make comments about people who make uneducated purchases, but I for one find people who bitch about getting flamed on an internet board far more annoying, Welcome to the internet, boy.

I'm afraid I don't know how to break up these paragraphs, we'll do it this way.
P1 Please reread the thread...a little slower...I purchased nothing.

P2 DUH

P3 Where did the notion come from that I have all this cash? Though my goal was clearly to impress you...I am only slightly upset that you don't think that I am the coolest guy in the world. Not a collector?? it's a fact?? Facts are indisputable. Your "opinion" is incorrect. And it has nothing to do with y'all

P4 One never has the right to pop someone...only the ability. One also has the ability to crap ones pants...but a better man would choose not to. There are many levels of humor. Children can be quite cruel to others who differ from them...it is humor to them...fortunately, most outgrow it.

P5 Did you ever get cold fries at McDonalds? Did you not go back? How many idiots will you add to your list? I wasn't bitching about being flamed (my wife and I are having a ball)...I was pointing out the flaming of others in general, when they disagree with your position. And, my goodness son, what kind of fellow ends his letter with "boy" ?!? With a little more effort, it is easy to be a much better man. Be well

I noticed something funny. First off, sorry, it was easier for me to hit the quote button (The older I get, the lazier I get. You may be different, but that is me). Why did you say that his opinion is wrong?

Nobody's opinion is ever wrong, it is their opnion. Now if he used facts, you could say "Your facts are wrong". If you don't agree with his opinion, say so, there is no need to have a onctradiction.

[Player-2]

I am stunned by the responses generated by this post.Each person says that they don't belittle buyers who seem to pay too much(and I assume sellers who sell too cheap) yet they are then offeded by my remarks that were CLEARLY not meant for them.The belittling tag of "child" was meant to be inflammatory...to those who have earned it.I wanted to know if this site was populated by kids who couldn't control themselves,or by people who had something to offer(other than insults).Mr. jerkov, you say you paid too much for a game because you really wanted it(making my point eloquently) and you had personal reason to cause that game to have that higher value to you.At this point,all the "children" should be laughing at you ,demeaning your character,calling you an idiot,etc. .The "adults" understand your reasoning and would casually accept it.The $50 mario cart argument is silly.Of course adults understand depreciation.Buyers set the price for an item...not one buyer.And that still would not make the buyer an idiot..it would make him uninformed and having made a bad deal.But in the buyers eyes(the only eyes that really matter) he got what he wanted at a price he felt was reasonable.He has not earned a personal attack.Your remark"I am not one of those people who constantly criticizes or makes fun of people"simply shows that you too see the same thing I have seen...people who constantly criticize and make fun of people.Your choice to side yourself with the "children" seems appropriate,since your next move was to attack my business practices (that you ,of course,know nothing about).Only a limited sight would allow someone to believe that a business can succeed for ten years by screwing customers(dumb,unsuspecting buyers you phrased it).It is these kind of remarks that I am speaking of....you don't agree with me,so you attack in a "childish" unknowing manner with disparaging remarks that can easily be shown to be ridiculous.So far the count seems to be 7 adults and 1 grown child.You all just keep on attacking my premise....it has so far made my point....and agree with me.I have yet to hear anyone take the opposite position...that if you don't agree with a deal,you should belittle the character of the people involved in that deal.

OK, so I obviously I struck a nerve when I questioned your business practices. You can label me a "child" all you want, the fact is that I find it rather interesting that someone who deals in video games is bitching about a small group on this forum who comment on people who overpay for stuff. Why does this bother you so much? You're right, I know nothing about your business practices, but I'm just putting 2 and 2 together. Frankly, I don't care about you or your business - I'll never be dealing with you, so I couldn't care less how low or high your prices are. I have a couple of vendors that deal in retro games around me that charge absurd prices - I never buy anything off them, except in the rare case that they don't know anything about a game and are actually selling it at a good price. I feel bad for those who do pay these absurd prices, but yes, they are idiots. Instead of taking five minutes of doing a little research to find out what games are actually worth, they decide to make an ignorant purchase. If a vendor can continually get away with this (like the ones in my area), I guess more power to them, but they won't be getting my business.

The bottom line: if you don't like the posts making fun of eBay purchases, don't read them. Your poorly written crusade isn't going to make anyone change their minds or their posting habits.

You would take advantage of a vendor who did not know about a game?! For shame! The lack of integrity, the abuse of your knowledge, the wreckless disdain for what is honest....Oh, my. Would you also call them an idiot ...and worse? My "slowly getting better written" crusade may, in fact, have positive outcomes. I popped you out of a hole, didn't I? By the way, it's not comments on people...it's silly slanders towards people that is being discussed. And I don't label you a child...your actions prove you to be childish.
(you should be laughing at this point of time) I am

[Daria]

You would take advantage of a vendor who did not know about a game?! For shame! The lack of integrity, the abuse of your knowledge, the wreckless disdain for what is honest....Oh, my.

Isn't it the vendor's job to do a little research on his wares before blindly pulling a price tag out of his ass? If I get a good deal because someone doesn't know what their suff is worth it's not my fault. They're getting the exactly what they asked for.



Would you also call them an idiot ...and worse? Naive? Yes. Stupid? No.



And I don't label you a child...your actions prove you to be childish.
(you should be laughing at this point of time) I am

I have to agree with the majority of people who've replied to this thread, the only person acting childish here is you. You created this topic with the sole intent of getting a rise out the regular members of this forum. They have a word for that, it's called trolling.

The adult thing to do, the mature thing to do, would be ignore the threads you find silly and move on.

[dave2236]

Not to deviate, but where the hell did you get Suikoden 2 for twenty bucks? I've never seen that thing dip below retail!

circuit city had them new for $19.99 when they were going for $40-50 complete on ebay....I bought one


so yes, retail was $19.99 on these for a short time...very short

[portnoyd]

it's called trolling

Your "NOW COME GET ME KIDS" pretty much locks that idea. Speaking of lock, I think this has gone on enough. Player2 will keep pushing, we'll keep pulling, and player2 will keep fishing for flames.

I can't honestly believe he expected to break down and call him an asshole or something like that. On gamefaqs, sure.. here, no.

dave

[Player-2]

Wow, this entire topic is making a very funny point: You are doing to the DP members what you are trying to scold them for.

You are trying to scold the people for being immature in making fun of people for their purchases, but aren't you trying to do the same thing to us as we are trying to do to people who make dumb purchases?

I would say so. You are talking about children in here. You say you are 50 and have many things to do, so why are you in here trying to call most of us children buddy. It's alright. I am just trying to make a point here.

I will not scold you like you are trying to do to us. I am just trying to figure out why you are doing this? Is there a reason why you posted this? I understand that you could be discouraged from people making negative comments towards another's purchase, but I am just wondering if you have seen the posts for people that display what they win. I am not talking about the post your recent winnings thread either. When somebody gets something they are really excited about, or even just thought it would be nice to have, they post it up. The most I have ever seen when it comes to somebody talking about price is one sentence that sounds a little like "great buy, but you could have posted in the boards and saved $10".

I don't see that as discouraging. And why haven't you talked about the fetus beads? Everybody needs some fetus beads! They are so awesome! Things like that are "insane". Sure people will buy them, but it is enough to get a few chuckles out of us.

Don't worry about age, as DP as a very large age range. There are very, very few here under 18-21.

Somebody said it before, this is the internet man. The internet is the best place to put somebody down (well according to you that is what is happening). Go to any big forum (there are many that are bigger than this), and there will be so much more slander in those. The people here are actually kind compared to others you will run across.

Maybe I should repeat what I said earlier, why are you doing to us the same thing you are scolding us about?

You are calling us children, well, I can vouch for myself that I am not one. I noticed many people trying to pick apart what you said piece by piece, but I don't think anybody has touched on what you are trying to say. They keep straying off to help with their argument (as I probably even have in this post).

The fact of the matter is your statement in whole. You say you are 50, yet are doing the same thing to us that you claim we are doing to eBayers. If you are saying that what we are doing makes us children and you are doing the same thing to us as we are doing to others, than wouldn't that make you a child also?

People comment on things on eBay like high prices for something to do in their spare time. Sure some of them have way too much time on their hands, but I am only one man, I can't give everybody in here a good night life (I have actually left a few posts about it).

Ease up man. Stop taking everything offensively. Buy your games and enjoy them. There is no reason to get all "hot 'N bisquits" just because a few people in here have a big mouth. If they said something pertaining directly to you, then pm them and discuss it with them. There is no reason to try and make the entire board look bad.

VERY WELL SAID!! But I am afraid you have missed a bit of my reasoning behind this post. I have called no one (except one) a childish individual(after a silly attack on my business). And that was intentional. My post was "are there any adults out there". It was immediately construed as an attack on everyone. And then I got ripped (it's been a lot of fun).
My attack is toward those individuals who step on the intelligence and character of the people with whom they disagree. "Moron", "idiot", and worse are the best reactions they seem to have within themselves.If you don't fall into that category, then you will find no reference about you by me. My post (almost forgot my spacebar) is not against the "we"...but rather aimed at the few who lack the mental capacity to do anything but degrade the other buyers.
I see comedy and sarcasm...but I routinely see childish attacks.Hence, my question. Is this a site populated by teenagers without any self-control, or by older more seasoned individuals searching for information.I did not wish to be a part of a bunch of kids who had nothing better to do than slam each other. I use this site for information. It being a retro site, I assumed it attracted older gamers. But watching the posts made me reconsider my assumption. I am moving a store,so I had a couple extra days to play around. I chose to play here...and it's sure been fun(we didn't have computers and discussion groups when I was in college). If you had something to say, you said it to their face or you had no chance to say it. You could tell who you were dealing with. I hope that those who have jabbed me were doing so because, they, like you, felt I was after everyone. To disagree with someone is normal...to diminish someone is childish (and usually a sign of a lack of ability to do anything else). My position will not be changing just because a few can cower behind the internet. Your post to me was greatly appreciated! Take care

[Player-2]

I just read this entire thread for the first time, and I must say that I'm a bit confused with Player-2's position. He's annoyed because some people in this forum feel that he paid too much for a game, and pointed it out in a forum that is designed for exactly that purpose.

Before I get into that, however, I want to say this: Anyone with a bunch of extra money can get onto eBay and buy himself a complete collection of games for any system within a short amount of time if he or she doesn't care how much they spend. But where is the fun in that? The fun in collecting as a hobby is not the having, it's the getting. I do it for the feeling of exhilaration I get when I walk into a thrift store and find a rare game prices at one or two dollars. Maybe I am not as serious a collector as some of these guys in here but in my opinion part of being a smart game collector is recognizing a good deal so that some of my gaming money can live on to see the next deal. I would be kicking myself if I paid so much for one game that I didnt have any discressionary income left when a great deal came my way.

It seems to me like you are placating your own ego by coming in here and showing off that you can pay whatever price you want for a game because you have lots of money. I'm not at all impressed. I am however impressed when I look at my own video game collection and think of how little money it took to put it together because I search out the good deals. To me that isn't time wasted because it is time spent doing what I love: collecting video games. What you have shown to me here is that you are not a video game collector. That is not meant as a slant, it's simply a fact. You enjoy playing games and you have some extra cash so you just buy whatever you want at whatever price then you go play your game. That's great, but what does it have to do with us? That isn't what this forum is about, and it isn't what this site is about.

Look, if you want to spend how ever much money on whatever game it was that you bought, then that's your business and you don't have to justify it to anyone, but eBay is a public place, and so is this forum, and we have the right to question your actions amongst ourselves, and frankly we have the right to make fun of you in the most childish way possible if that's what we feel like doing. I totally agree with what Portnoyd said; sometimes its all about laughs. Is it childish? I guess, but most humor is childish.

The bottom line is this: you are not satisfied with your experience in this forum. We who sit on the sidelines and boo and hiss at the bad play are distracting and irritating you. If you go to a restaurant and the food is bad, only an idiot comes back for seconds. But you did. Even though there are plenty of other "restaurants" for you to go to, you chose to stay here and go off on a diatribe about how the food sucks. I'm sorry that you find it annoying that we make comments about people who make uneducated purchases, but I for one find people who bitch about getting flamed on an internet board far more annoying, Welcome to the internet, boy.

I'm afraid I don't know how to break up these paragraphs, we'll do it this way.
P1 Please reread the thread...a little slower...I purchased nothing.

P2 DUH

P3 Where did the notion come from that I have all this cash? Though my goal was clearly to impress you...I am only slightly upset that you don't think that I am the coolest guy in the world. Not a collector?? it's a fact?? Facts are indisputable. Your "opinion" is incorrect. And it has nothing to do with y'all

P4 One never has the right to pop someone...only the ability. One also has the ability to crap ones pants...but a better man would choose not to. There are many levels of humor. Children can be quite cruel to others who differ from them...it is humor to them...fortunately, most outgrow it.

P5 Did you ever get cold fries at McDonalds? Did you not go back? How many idiots will you add to your list? I wasn't bitching about being flamed (my wife and I are having a ball)...I was pointing out the flaming of others in general, when they disagree with your position. And, my goodness son, what kind of fellow ends his letter with "boy" ?!? With a little more effort, it is easy to be a much better man. Be well

I noticed something funny. First off, sorry, it was easier for me to hit the quote button (The older I get, the lazier I get. You may be different, but that is me). Why did you say that his opinion is wrong?

Nobody's opinion is ever wrong, it is their opnion. Now if he used facts, you could say "Your facts are wrong". If you don't agree with his opinion, say so, there is no need to have a onctradiction.

Simple...because his opinion is wrong. Hitler was wrong...racists are wrong...molestors are wrong. Thier opinions were/are wrong. Opinions can be wrong...not just disagreeable. Never be reticent to take a stand. I know the facts of my collecting...and those facts make his opinion wrong.

[RobotSimp]

http://www.illbilly.net/suck.jpg

[PapaStu]

I'll try and keep away from all the side rants, and the concept of buying something that you didnt buy, and try to explain this board.

Whats this board called again??? Yet More eBay Insanity. The basics of this board is to <SHOCK> allow the members of DP to post some of the crazy stuff that shows on eBay. Looking around to see that we are at DP and this is a Gaming Forum, most of the items that are posted here game related. Sometimes its the shock of someone paying X amount for an item (either plus or minus the DP Guide or our own arbitrary worth for it). Sometimes its for the crazy shit that is just found on ebay. Too bad Pango hasnt posted much lately, now that man found the crazy shit on eBay.
Looking at the board right now I see that right below this thread is a thread about Fetus beads. Those sure dont look like games to me. There are times where we as a collective have joked about the crazy item that has come up (Im thinking about the Castle and the Airplane that was on eBay recently), or argued the seriousness to the hobby when the cost of a game (that NeoGeo AES cart that went for 10K) balloons to massive porpotions. Hell If I look at some game thats being listed and it goes for a buncha money (even if i dont know what its worth), I can comment because I am just offering my opinion, and not the gospel according to anyone. Like it was said earlier when you take your OPINION and turn it to FACT with no proof to let it hold water, then all you have done is just sunk yourself.


My problem with your posts is this. People are offering their opinions to the topic that you posted, yet you seem to not be happy with them. Everything that I read has been pretty concise and there has been surprisingly little out and out crude humor in relation to the topic (go to Off Topic, and you'll see what I mean, in particular the guy in the Tron outfit). But what are you doing about these responses? There have been people who are more than willing to say Agree to disagree and leave it at that. You know what that means, you dont go on the attack because they are saying that they see your point, and they have offered theirs, but there is little chance of comming to an agreement. So to prevent "Flaming" or a battle, they let it go. However you are not letting it go, and by constantly ending your posts with "Come Get me Kids" is just insulting and only goes on to say that you don't have the slightest concern to even accept that you might not agree with another poster. Please get over yourself, you've made some valid points and so have others that have responed. Agree to Diasgree and lets move on with more pressing matters.

Stu

[PapaStu]

I don't like double posting, but this would be lost in an edit.

Just a suggestion when quoting, PLEASE don't quote like 3 massive posts in the same thing, even if its a post/response/post then your response. I'm scrolling through stuff that i'm now re-reading for like the 3rd time, and its just a waste of space.

Stu

[number6]

No one here, but us children. Any form of collecting in itself is a childish act in my opinion. Usually people are trying to hold on to a fond memory from their past. I would gladly be counted in the childish members of this excellent forum/board. Can we now go back to enjoying all the ebay insanity this board has to offer and stop this pointless argument?

[portnoyd]

Simple...because his opinion is wrong. Hitler was wrong...racists are wrong...molestors are wrong. Thier opinions were/are wrong. Opinions can be wrong...not just disagreeable. Never be reticent to take a stand. I know the facts of my collecting...and those facts make his opinion wrong.

Now here's where you're wrong. They are wrong to YOU. It may be shared by others, but the fact of the matter YOU find them wrong. Your opinion on them is that they are wrong. Their opinion is that they are right. Your opinion is not fact.

dave

[Eternal Tune]

To disagree with someone is normal...to diminish someone is childish (and usually a sign of a lack of ability to do anything else).

:hmm: Uh...isn't that what you've been doing since you started this thread???? Perhaps you should check your own pants for doo-doo.

http://kthxstfu.com/~eternaltune/images/azuwhat.jpg

[punkoffgirl]

My attack is toward those individuals who step on the intelligence and character of the people with whom they disagree.

I've been following this thread with interest, and the above comment struck me as a bit ironic. I believe calling people, who engage in a practice you disagree with, "children" and "childish" and "immature," is stepping on the intelligence of these people, is it not? And I'm not sure I see what it's hurting with people doing this.. I would estimate that the majority of the members of this forum come here for entertainment and a break from "real life", so to speak; as such, I don't expect the level of humor, etc., to be the same as maintained offline in other situations. No one is going to make everyone happy all of the time, and it seems from the reactions in this thread that you may be in the minority with your opinion that people are doing something wrong.

[jonjandran]

OK I'm going to go ahead and agree with Player-2 on this one.

It is childish and immature to call someone stupid, idiotic, and a moron for doing something.

I've done it myself and it isn't very nice, but it is A LOT OF FUN !!!

By the way, I'm 31 , married 12 years , and 2 kids. But I still like poking fun once in a while. 8-)

[Darth Vader]

Hey player2. You also buy on ebay under multiple bidder ID's right? Firsticey is one of them correct?? I'm just curious.

Danny

[Funkenstein]

Man, this thing just kept going while I was at work.

@ Portnoyd - thank you highly for mentioning the Greater Internet Fuckwad theory. I meant to bring that up, but completely forgot.

@Daria - What's wrong with grammar nazis? I'm a grammar nazi. Those early posts made my eyes hurt.

Also, Player-2 is obviously enjoying disagreeing with everyone, which I beleive he stated was the point, and from the "WELL SAID!!!" and "My my my" and "COME GET ME KIDS!!!" I'm theorizing he's a fat bald guy in a silver three piece suit (possibly with monacle) sitting in a dome on a mountain. I also believe every time he hits "send" on a post, he cackles like a maniac and lightning booms. I also belive his shoe is untied.

PSYCH!!!

[Bratwurst]

Funkenstien is my favorite new flavor of the forum. Please never go away, you tender little morsel.

[jerkov]

I have to agree with the majority of people who've replied to this thread, the only person acting childish here is you. You created this topic with the sole intent of getting a rise out the regular members of this forum. They have a word for that, it's called trolling.

The adult thing to do, the mature thing to do, would be ignore the threads you find silly and move on.

I'd have to say that Daria summed this up perfectly. Are you paying attention, Mr. Player-2? I'll be honest with you, I have no idea what the hell you were trying to say in your last response to me. What should I be laughing at? When I read your posts, it really is tough to tell whether you're really 50 or if you're a 13 year old masquerading as a 50 year old....

[Player-2]

I will be posting this at the end of the "child adult" thread and as a new post to save everyone the hassle of finding this.

Well, I guess it's time to end this misery for you all....we are clearly in the minority with our perspective that slamming other gamers here(for buying things(making deals) in a manner or price range differing from "the groups") is not only acceptable,but vehemently defended. I really thought that a fair number of people would have had the same ideas as me...and would back up a position to reduce the offensive belittling comments generated by the ebay forum. Only a couple did. I'm sure a few people would waste time by saying "you did it wrong". I did it in the manner most likely to bring out the flamers. That worked really well !! I also had hoped it would bring out those individuals who were against the belittling of other collectors and players (in response to the flamers). It is, unfortunately, a protected norm on DP to treat other gamers decisions on values and purchases with disdain and disrespect if they fail to agree with this group's opinions.
Please accept mine and my fellow gamestore owners apologies(there are six of us representing 27 stores in the southeast involved in this query...we are all "small chain owners") for causing you all this distress. It was our aim/goal to see if we should carry Manci Games and route our customers to this site. Most of our customers are casual gamers...they would be treated harshly here. We thought a good retro site would lead casual gamers to become collectors and/or retro-players. DP is still the best at what it does,in our opinion, and I will continue to ghost it for information.(I know,I know...who cares,right?)(we're better off without you....good riddance...and all the other stuff you're dieing to type).
For those of you who said it is okay to screw a seller(cause he should know better and not pull a price from his ass)...integrity is a difficult habit to acquire.
For those of you who just made childish (there's that word again) attacks....your abilities in this regard are well-honed...congratulations on your talent.
For those of you who thought we were attacking everyone in the forum...I hope you will reread my starting posts. I still don't know how it became about my money or about a cart someone thought I bought. We certainly meant "the masses" no ill-will.
And Portnoyd,how can anyone defend the position that "opinions can't be wrong".An opinion is nothing more than a perception of a set of facts and/or events. That perception, and hence, the opinion can easily be wrong. If I say "all fags are freaks" (the others told me not to say that...he he) , that statement is inflammatory and wrong. That opinion is wrong. Please don't attempt the argument "everyones opinion is right for them" mumbo-jumbo type stuff. First year college philosophy cuts that type of rhetoric to pieces. By the way...the NWC competition cart is UPS your way as we speak. Thanks for the transaction...would you care to argue "value and opinion" on that trade? (smile)
There are a bunch of other points I should be addressing(these four just really stuck out) but you can easily discern my "opinion" by my other replies. (I now know what trolling means) (and the proper use of the space bar)
As you have all gathered, I will not be changing my philosophy on jabbing others (yes,of course, I know I am jabbing a little now) for thier purchases. I have seen two people offended and embarressed by what was said in these columns (destroying the pleasure they would have taken in thier acquisitions). Look up guys/gals...this internet is still tied to the real world when attacks are made on real people.
Again, I, David,Mikey,Trish, Steve, and Gerald all offer our apologies for the wasted time and stress given your group in this forum....but your participation has been very enlightening. Take care. We wish you well. (most of you)
And you need not take your "last shots" at me...we have all agreed not to read the replies (useless info you know).

[portnoyd]

A few things:

1. Casual gamers will always be welcome, as long as they have an open mind and a mild temparment with us. The practice you observed here, and caused you to make this thread, is not prevalent in the other forums, btw.

If a certified Halo junkie comes here, he can discuss and be a part of the forum, as long as he understands that we're all different, and have different gaming preferences, and that there are some of us here who don't get, or don't like Halo. If he can respect that, he'll have a good time. If he goes apeshit because he doesn't like something, then the boot he gets.

2. Who's we? You, your wife, other gamestore owners? You've never been clear on this. You know what - I don't want to know.

3. Opinions cannot be wrong to the ones that hold them dear. Right and wrong is subjective. Wrong to you is right to them. I could go more into this, but I digress.

4. I didn't discuss our transaction, because, well, it was private. I had no right to discuss something like that on a very public board without your consent. Even if could be very pertinent to the value discussion, which I'm hoping is six feet under right now.

And for the booby prize, who wants to tell me what my underlying premise to this reply is?

dave

[Funkenstein]

Funkenstien is my favorite new flavor of the forum. Please never go away, you tender little morsel.

*Giggles*

Awww, you're making me blush.


Again, I, David,Mikey,Trish, Steve, and Gerald

I was wrong I guess. He's not a mastermind. He's six masterminds! Diabolical bastard.


And for the booby prize, who wants to tell me what my underlying premise to this reply is?

*Waves arm in the air*

Ohh! Ooohh! Me me me! Was it to take a "last shot" like he told us not to?
Do I win?

[PapaStu]

Nice to know that you'll leave a "final" post and then choose NOT to read anything posted in response. I hope that you'll reconsider.

I have felt no misery for anything posted in this thread. By you or any other member. These conversations (they are not arguments) are the deepest and the better ones to be part of on this board. Topics like this one are successful because there isn't that level of childness that is running rampant everywhere else on the boards (in your opinion). Did we all really flame you? Was there trolling on our behalf? Were we just spitting rhetoric and ignoring what you posted? I really dont think thats what happened, but thats just MY opinion.

So let me get this straight, your "mad" (upset, disturbed, bothered, pick one...) that we have a board that is about the crazyness of eBay. You do realise that this board focuses on more than games. It focuses on the random shit thats on there, as well as games. Stuff that goes really cheap, stuff that goes expensive, and stuff that people wonder what to do about it, if they might have a problem with a buyer or a seller.
We or DP (we are actually not Borg and the members here disagree quite often on many things, and lots of us have our own opinions on any subject here.) do not mind if people make a deal outside of any price range. If they feel that its worth that, then whats to argue. We are not some sort of pricing gestapo, that reams out the person who spends some different amount than whats posted.

I am a PSOne hunter. I have both "Value lists" that are found on this site (kevincure's and the "Official" one done for the site by Queen of Felines). They are used as a gague, as is any guide to give some sort of approxmate value. Is this the gold standard? Is this set in stone? NOT IN THE SLIGHTEST. Hell they two lists vary on value, and even on a rarity level. I am glad to use this, because there was much time invested hunting the games and the pricing trends from mutiple places (game stores, eBay and other auction sites). AND that makes the price. It gives me more information to help me better make a decision, and to know that the price that I see where ever it may be, (store/online) is at a level of a going rate. But if I choose to pay more for it, or find it cheaper, that is my perogative, and I do not care, because if I want it that bad, it will come home, and thats how most of us think here.

This board is not a dictatorship and if people choose to disagree about the price another person has paid for a game, then so be it. No one goes on to ream anyone who paid 5 bucks for SMB/DH. There may be chuckles, but we never destroy the person.

I like that you (or your group, as it seems that maybe more than one of you were posting) only decided to say that we were testing you to see if we should carry a magazine, or rout people to this site for information now that your heading to be a shadow. Its nice to know that it "seems" that you will not be doing this (telling people to come here), but you will still use the site yourself, because "DP is still the best at what it does,in our opinion". Do you like deprivin your customers??? If I was told by my local indy shop to go to this site cause they know shit, and there are lists of games, I would APPRECIATE the help, and be more likely to come in and spend more money. In fact my Indy shop did that for me with GameFAQs a few years ago. "dont go and buy the strat guide, theres this site called GF that has it for free, and you can even post questions there and get answers. Isnt this keeping your customers less informed and giving you an advantage in selling a game? Wouldnt you want to convert your casual gamers into collectors? Dont you want them to spend MORE money in your store? Is that a bad thing?

So if they dont go here, then where will you suggest? If we are the best at what we do, so you feel better giving them some inferieror product. People ask questions here, they get answers, and they are honest. We do not belittle someone for asking something. We help each other out, and the people are truly nice. Did you ever go to any Forum besides this one? Have you seen the pages of questions asked and the many many answers given on the VideoGame board, or how about the Off topic board; you have non game questions and there you get answers.

I hope that you stay an active member of the board, as at least to me all opionions are respected, and continue to contribute and post your own thoghts on any subject that may come up. Its never a bad thing when you can get another opinion on a situation.

Stu

[punkoffgirl]

Hmm. I guess it's a good thing we didn't mention the spokesmodel pictures on the site, eh? Or the drunken chats? Or that time Dave ended up having his picture taken with a bra in his hand..

[PapaStu]

I know!!!! Heaven forbid that we have ANY fun at all on this site. Shit makes us even more "childish" and we don't want to portray that.

Tuck in that shirt!!!!!!!!!! Comb your hair!!!!!!!!!! No slouching!!!!!!!!

[Funkenstein]

You forgot "Turn down that dag-blasted rock and roll music!!! You're on drugs aren't you? Have you been taking marijuana!?!"

There's only one thing to do with a killjoy. Stick him in an inner-tube and roll him into the ocean a'la Commisioner Stenchler. Then have a beach party while he floats off into the ocean shaking his fist and shouting "Damn punks! I'll get you kids!"

[jonjandran]

Ok about the whole "opinion" thing.

Opinions can be right or wrong depending on if there are facts about the opinion to either support it or disprove it.

Example : In my opinion the earth is flat .
Obviously my opinion is wrong because the facts have proved that the earth is not flat.

But on the other hand : Halo sucks !!!
There is no way that facts could prove or disprove that statement so it can't be right or wrong it's just an opinion.

Yes everyone is entitled to their opinion but that opinion can be wrong when the facts prove it to be.

@ Player-2 ----- I may be wrong , but it seems to me that you don't want people coming to this site and posting what they paid for a game at your stores and getting flamed for it. :hmm:

But that is just my opinion. 8-)

[Buyatari]

I figured it out.

Being in Alabama he lacks serious competetion and has outragously high prices. Should he carry a magazine with links to a website with members from allover the US with real knowledge on value his customers might find out that they overpaid on just about everything.

A last ditch effort to convice every single poster here to change attitude in hopes of one more condusive to his way of doing business failed. Thus pandora's box shall remain closed.

Let the monopoly continue.

[Buyatari]

Example : In my opinion the earth is flat .

One can not argue that YES that is your opinion and so that is true as well.

[portnoyd]

And for the booby prize, who wants to tell me what my underlying premise to this reply is?

*Waves arm in the air*

Ohh! Ooohh! Me me me! Was it to take a "last shot" like he told us not to?
Do I win?

Oooo, close! The correct answer was "Can this topic fucking die?".

dave

[Bratwurst]

Example : In my opinion the earth is flat .

One can not argue that YES that is your opinion and so that is true as well.

I haven't seen anyone really come up with a good counter to Player-2's 'college-learnin' that all opinions cannot be right. The premise behind his argument is that some opinions are considered wrong in the eyes of the public majority, where ethics and societal norms come into play. He glosses over the fact that ragging on someone for overpaying isn't in the same league as a child molestor or Hitler.

Jonjandran touches on the opportunity for opinions to be wrong on a factual basis but like the self contained Schroedinger's cat the individual that holds the fallible opinion will still know it to be proper in their own hemisphere of influence. And from there it's an entirely subjective matter because each person is truly in their own little world based on their sensory perceptions and knowledge.

[Flack]

I'm a fairly logical-type person who thinks through things to understand them, so forgive me if any of this has been posted before.

Items have value. It's simple to determine the value of a new item simply by seeing what the item sells for in a store.

For used items, it's a bit more subjective. Used items have perceived values, based upon supply and demand. Carts that came packaged with systems (Combat, SMB/Duck Hunt, NFR Sonic) have a generally low value because there is a low demand. Compare that to limited release games (Chase the Chuckwagon) which generally have higher values because they have higher demand.

Auction sites (particularly eBay) throw this system out of whack. eBay is based off of individual's perceived values instead of the "collective group's" perceived value. In other words, if you are willing to pay $10 for a Combat cart on eBay, that makes that cart worth $10 to you, but not to the general public. Should you try and resell that cart, chances are you will not make your money back.

On MacArthur blvd in OKC there is a thrift store next door to a GameXchange. I bought a working Atari 2600 from the Thrift store for .99. Gamexchange sells them for $79.99. Which price is right?

It appears to me that many of these posts in this area are people pointing out auctions or sales where individuals paid more for an item than what the generally accepted value is. On a Combat cart, that's pretty easy to determine. But what about a CD32? Is it worth $50? $100? To me it is. To someone else it might not be. That's because we all bring our own gaming backgrounds and knowledge to this hobby. To me, that's what makes it so great!

To be fair, there are an equal amount of posts in this forum from people pointing out auctions where people got really good deals and paid much lower than the generally accepted value of items. Usually these are by the purchaser. That's human nature -- talk about our own fortunes, and others misfortunes.

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All that being said, I think your Player-2's comments about carrying Manci Games were uncalled for and below the belt. I don't think there are more accomidating sites for gamers, casual or not, than Digital Press and Manci Games. I think what's more likely is that your customers would discover some interesting things about your chain's prices ...

Your inmaturity, snide comments and fake sincerity did not go unnoticed. It appears to me all you have done is do a disservice to small gaming chains everywhere. If this is how store owners feel about me (a paying customer) then maybe I feel like eBay is a better place to shop than locally owned businesses who neither like nor appreciate their customers.

[Flack]

"Opinion: A belief or conclusion held with confidence but not substantiated by positive knowledge or proof."

An opinion is like a hypothesis. To be a true opinion, it has to be something you believe, and you have to have personal experience to back it up. So while the "earth is flat" opinion was made lightly, it doesn't really quality because no one here truly believes that the earth is flat.

It's my opinion that things usually sell for over their market value on eBay. That's a valid opinion. I can say that because I've usually paid more than market value for items I've bought, and earned more than what I expected to on things I've sold. That's an opinion based off of my personal experience. I have not pulled all of eBay's logs, searched prices, and compared every one of them to market research data. If I did, then I could say, "it's a FACT that ...". Instead, I say, "I THINK" or "It's been MY experience that ...".

So if you say, "in my opinion all dogs are green" then that's a false opinion because I'm going to go out on a limb and say that you don't believe that. But if you say, "all dogs are dumb" and you're only experience is dumb dogs then that's a valid opinion for you. If I work with police training dogs all day long then I'll probably disagree with your opinion as I've formed my own from my personal experience.

When someone is being honest and truthful and said, "You paid too much for that game," what they're saying is that from their experience, based off of their personal history and information, their opinion is that the game is not worth what you paid for it.

And, in the immortal words of The Anti-Nowhere League, "So What!"

[Jibbajaba]

I think it's really funny that this whole opinion vs. fact thing was started because I said this in my post:

"What you have shown to me here is that you are not a video game collector. That is not meant as a slant, it's simply a fact."

He vehemently denies that this is true, but then goes on to admit that he and some other fucks own a chain of game stores.

[Cmosfm]

First of all let me point out that I only skimmed this thread, It was WAY too long to read it all...I do know that Player-2 seriously offends me and my buying habits and he's nothing more trolling because obviously old rich people have nothing better to do. And yes, I noted the apology...still doesn't condone the actions.



Before I get into that, however, I want to say this: Anyone with a bunch of extra money can get onto eBay and buy himself a complete collection of games for any system within a short amount of time if he or she doesn't care how much they spend. But where is the fun in that? The fun in collecting as a hobby is not the having, it's the getting. I do it for the feeling of exhilaration I get when I walk into a thrift store and find a rare game prices at one or two dollars. Maybe I am not as serious a collector as some of these guys in here but in my opinion part of being a smart game collector is recognizing a good deal so that some of my gaming money can live on to see the next deal. I would be kicking myself if I paid so much for one game that I didnt have any discressionary income left when a great deal came my way.


This is what I agree with here. I have fun going out looking for bargains. Hunting for cheap/rare games. I love bragging about it! I feel that anyone who just jumps on eBay and pays eBay prices for say, Contra, is indeed a moron. Same with people who buy it at gamestop or another expensive game store. And yes, I will laugh at them!

Anyways, it's not impressive to have a collection of games you got off eBay. Let's see....who want's to hear about the time you bid 300.00 on a sealed Final Fantasy? I know I don't. But who want's to hear about the time I got a sealed Legend of Zelda and Contra Force for 20.00 each at Western Auto?

Ok, one more time. How about the time you won that lot of boxed games on eBay? Wow...whoop-dee-doo! Now, how about the time I was out of town and wandered into a mom-n-pop rental store and bought 3 garbage bags full of boxed games for 100.00? The choice is pretty easy.

So in turn, eBaying games is not impressive. Not to yourself or not to anyone else. I know I love to brag...everyone does...part of the fun of collecting is bragging about what you found! Showing off your deals! What fun is it to sit at home with all your games and never show them off? It's a hobby. We're a hobbyest's forum. You insulted and trolled the entire forum and basically belittled everything we're about, everything we love, our posting habits and even our ages.

If you don't like it, buzz off, why even post here? Might as well leave, because you're already dead to me.

[SegaAges]

Man, I'm sorry, but many of you have really long posts. I didn't even try to read them all.

This user is 6 people, craziness. It would have been cool if they all got accounts on here and took his side so that it looked like it was 6 different people going for the same point.

[captain nintendo]

People all think different things and thats what makes life interesting ;)
So this guy ruffled a few feathers :roll: I mean sometimes I think the "elite" attitude is a bit too much. I might get flamed for what I just said, but I dont care. I know I contribute someting to dp. And for the mmost part dont step on anybodies toes. So maybe this guy or **gasp** group LOL of people know as player-2 has different opinions about buying and selling. So what I say :o I like a good deal just like the next guy ;) I just dont think we should cast someone out for something so trivial IMO. I dont believe he was singling anybody out at first, he was just making a statement. Of course this thread is way to long and the text is killing my eyes :eek 2: So maybe I missed something that may have linked his statement to another dp member in the first place. (and if I did miss something I am sorry) If he stays I am sure he will contribute to the site. If he goes then I dont know what to think.......I have always thought of everyone here as friendly and yes sometime people need to be "run" from this site for really stupid comments. But did this guy really say something that dumb ?

[Chunky]

I haven't seen anyone really come up with a good counter to Player-2's 'college-learnin' that all opinions cannot be right. The premise behind his argument is that some opinions are considered wrong in the eyes of the public majority, where ethics and societal norms come into play. He glosses over the fact that ragging on someone for overpaying isn't in the same league as a child molestor or Hitler.

Fuck now why am i chime'n in?

the majority's opinon is the right one....oh ok so if the majority here argues against him isn't he in the wrong?

but yeah all i get from this is he dosen't want to carry the DP guide in his store because people will look at it and say WTF why did i pay double again? I've never met you Mr. Burns, never been to your store...but man were talking first impressions here and ...wow you your not getting my business.

[leonk]

Wow..

yet another "flame" war on DP. Wonder how long this one will be around before it gets erased. (Remember the last one that concerned EEzzeee!?)

portnoyd, you're an avid collector with lots of experiences and knowledge, but at the same time you are biased. What you believe a game is worth is different from what I believe a game is worth.

Many of the people on this forum got into collecting in different times. I got into NES collecting in 2001. What I've paid for games in 2001 is much different than what you paid for them in 1997 (or whenever you started collecting NES games).

My point is, some of you (portnoyd seems to be always at the lead) see one person paying X amount of $$ for a game, and think they're nuts because you paid a lot less. Well, when did you pay a lot less? a week ago? a month ago? 5 years ago? Prices change. I remember reading how NWC carts used to sell for less than 500$ on eBay 5 years ago. How many people made fun of those "fools" back then???

Player 2 might have over paid for that game, but who knows. He has many video game stores under his belt.. you would imagine that a person in his position would know a thing or two about market values. Sure games are overpriced in many stores, but so is eBay. And if a store is over priced yet month after month is still there, that means there are people that are ready to pay that amount! A store will not last forever being over priced ..

Here in TO, I'm aware of 1 retro store that is significantly below eBay market price and is doing very well. Would you call the guy a loser because he owns a video game store? (I personally do not own a video game store. I work for big blue as a software developer).

For all you know, the reason player2 paid that much was because he has a millionaire client that needs that game to complete his shrink wrapped collection! You never know!

I personally enjoy visiting this forum because it shows all the crazy buys and amazing deals at the same time.

But at the same time, I click the links and form my own opinion and leave it that.

Great comidians do not laugh at their own jokes on stage. They just put them out there. This is the way I take this forum. Love the links, don't bother reading the commentary. :D

So keep those links coming!

[orrimarrko]

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..."all fags are freaks"...that statement is inflammatory and wrong. That opinion is wrong.

Wait a minute...do you mean that this isn't true?





(I'm obviously kidding, but I couldn't resist. LOL

[sisko]

For those of you who said it is okay to screw a seller(cause he should know better and not pull a price from his ass)...integrity is a difficult habit to acquire.

I guess I don't understand your definition of "screwing a seller."

Say I stumble across a complete and minty Panzer Dragoon Saga at a yard sale for $5. Obviously, the seller values the game at $5, while I value it at $200, as would most people.

Am I going to tell the seller that I value the game 40 times what they are offering it for? Am I going to just fork over $195 extra for the game? Hell no. Would you? Hell no.

May I assume that you deal in used games at your store? When you take in a trade, you offer cash/store credit that is much much less than what you will sell the game for. Therefore, by your definition, you are screwing each one of your customers, each one that trades a game in, and each one that buys a game.

[punkoffgirl]

Guys, Player-2's point wasn't about the fact that people felt others overpaid for games or systems or whatnot, but rather about the types of things people would say about these buyers.