Resealing games... Thoughts?

[EASports]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8103684786&category=62053&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBBI%3AIT&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8103920971&category=62053&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBBI%3AIT&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8103922559&category=62053&sspagename=STRK%3AMEBBI%3AIT&rd=1

Apparently this guy buys games and reseals them... I got this link from an unhappy customer http://www.atwoodcs.com/socomslim/23.htm Then I emailed the seller asking him about it and got this response.

"Yes, I have sealed them up. I was planning on keeping them for myself, but decided that I have no use for them. I do however gaurantee that all manuals, ads, promos, maps, etc. come inside all of these as if you just purchased it. And they are in flawless condition.
Hope this helps, Thanks."


So I had to retract or change my bid amounts on some of these items... He did seem to take care not to say FACTORY sealed, or new in box or anything.

Thoughts?

[Bronty-2]

He's trying to scam. He was selling a B.S. "factory sealed" bubble bobble earlier. Before that he was selling it under a different ID (socomslim) along with a bunch of other games.

He's just hanging on the technicality that his auctions (now) don't say FACTORY sealed, just sealed.

I mean, who the hell is going to seal them with a horizontal line if it's just for their own pleasure? The story he sent you is complete horse$hit.

[StartTheBiddingLow]

A seller should state "factory sealed" or "still sealed from when I bought it new" or whatever.

Am I just being picky, though?
As long as it's a good seal job and the item is as new, does it matter that it's been opened in the past?
I think maybe it would niggle in my mind...

:hmm:

[Cmosfm]

A seller should state "factory sealed" or "still sealed from when I bought it new" or whatever.

Am I just being picky, though?
As long as it's a good seal job and the item is as new, does it matter that it's been opened in the past?
I think maybe it would niggle in my mind...

:hmm:

Yes, yes it does matter....and it matter a LOT. I'm not a factory sealed collector but I do know that wheter it's factory sealed or resealed in new condition can make the difference of resale price by 200-300.00 depending if the game is rare. These certain games may make a difference by much much more than that.

[KirbyStar27]

I hate when people reseal. Its just not the same thing!! :o

[Jibbajaba]

Resealing is complete bullshit. Thats like printing out box art on cardstock and making a box and then printing out a color manual and stapling it together and then saying that the game is complete. The only celophane (sp?) that should ever be on a NES game is the cellophane that Nintendo put on it. The only reason that I can think of for reshrinkwrapping a game is if you have something REALLY rare and complete and you want to protect it if you know that you are never going to play it. But even then yo can just stick it in a protective case. This guy should get kicked off ebay.

[dojosky]

yes thats FRAUD !!! one guy from PA state does the same thing I am trying to remember his name ! i believe it starts with ALEX and his last name is B something and he had several ebay aliases so watch out for that individual ...I'm sure those scammers of resealing games have several aliases and changes their screennames...

[D-ville Gamer]

he can word it how he wants, but the implication is that they are factory sealed......scumbag...i am getting sick of these fucking scam artist!

[Bronty-2]

yes thats FRAUD !!! one guy from PA state does the same thing I am trying to remember his name ! i believe it starts with ALEX and his last name is B something and he had several ebay aliases so watch out for that individual ...I'm sure those scammers of resealing games have several aliases and changes their screennames...

my understanding is that would be alex bastalamente... and his buddy michael picciau...

--never bought from them first hand, but that's definitely the rumor.

[Icarus Moonsight]

The seller of the resealed crap is in my area. Houston TX. I'll put some feelers out and see if they got a local shop or anything. If I can get names and such I'll share what the sluthing reveals.

[charitycasegreg]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4315&item=3089482299

He bought that for 30, Im wating to see it sealed for like 150 or more. He even has the horizontal back line when he reseals them? Thats just pro. I wish I could do that, Im pretty sure that if I could, I would do exactly what he is doing...sorry.

[StartTheBiddingLow]

A seller should state "factory sealed" or "still sealed from when I bought it new" or whatever.

Am I just being picky, though?
As long as it's a good seal job and the item is as new, does it matter that it's been opened in the past?
I think maybe it would niggle in my mind...

:hmm:

Yes, yes it does matter....and it matter a LOT. I'm not a factory sealed collector but I do know that wheter it's factory sealed or resealed in new condition can make the difference of resale price by 200-300.00 depending if the game is rare. These certain games may make a difference by much much more than that.


Certainly with the big money items, sure.
What I meant was, clearly stated "resealed", at least you know.

But I agree, passing them off as factory sealed is downright:

:puke:

[Bronty-2]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4315&item=3089482299

Im pretty sure that if I could, I would do exactly what he is doing...sorry.

Dude.. that's just not cool.

[charitycasegreg]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4315&item=3089482299

Im pretty sure that if I could, I would do exactly what he is doing...sorry.

Dude.. that's just not cool.

LOL Well, I prolly wouldnt because I wouldnt want to have my feedback ruined if they found out they were resealed. But if I had a sicker mind I would start with the resealing of games scam, getting easy money from internet companies, and top it off with the robbing of a game collectors house... :evil: but Im pretty sure none of that will ever happen.

[tholly]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4315&item=3089482299

He bought that for 30, Im wating to see it sealed for like 150 or more. He even has the horizontal back line when he reseals them? Thats just pro. I wish I could do that, Im pretty sure that if I could, I would do exactly what he is doing...sorry.

you can see on that one that some of the gold is rubbing off from being inserted into the NES....now, if you bought it sealed, chances are your not opening it and wouldnt know, but still...resealing is the worst, especially when someone is trying to pass them off as new games. at the point of him resealing a marked up zelda cart as new, he my as well just put a SMB/DH in there instead of Zelda...as I wouldn't want something junkie like that.

[Icarus Moonsight]

The seller of the resealed crap is in my area. Houston TX. I'll put some feelers out and see if they got a local shop or anything. If I can get names and such I'll share what the sluthing reveals.

Adam Philley <saltthesnails@yahoo.com>

Thats all i got thusfar. Seems kinda slow to reply. Must be busy sealin'. Jackass :angry:

[captain nintendo]

One recent negative feedback reads like this.....

"Resealed, buys used games and reseals them, has many different ID's, have proof Buyer dougk550( 44) "

:hmm:


I am actually thinking of bidding on the Megaman 6 if it does not go higher than 30 ;) Not because its sealed :o Because thats what I would pay for a complete copy of that game :D

[EASports]

One recent negative feedback reads like this.....

"Resealed, buys used games and reseals them, has many different ID's, have proof Buyer dougk550( 44) "

Actually, that user is the one who gave me that link from the first post.


I am actually thinking of bidding on the Megaman 6 if it does not go higher than 30 Not because its sealed Because thats what I would pay for a complete copy of that game

Yeah, I'm still bidding on a couple of items for the same reason.

[esquire]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4315&item=3089482299

He bought that for 30, Im wating to see it sealed for like 150 or more. He even has the horizontal back line when he reseals them? Thats just pro. I wish I could do that, Im pretty sure that if I could, I would do exactly what he is doing...sorry.

:hmm: Why is he buying NES games when he states in his auctions:

"I bought a lot of old NES products, but now realize they are doing me no good."

As for the issue of resealing, I could care less, unless he was advertising it as "brand new" or "never been opened." He really doesn't tell you or present the item as being factory sealed. I don't see it as being deceiving, because he doesn't actually use the words. Buyers can judge for themselves by the picture he has presented. As for those poor unfortunate fools who believed they were factory sealed, they have no one to blame but themselves - caveat emptor!

From my own personal experience, I remember I once found a "sealed" Final Fantasy Mystic Quest at Gamestop, but the label said "Used" not "New." I knew sometimes Gamestop would buy games still shrinkwrapped, but sell them as used. However, I could tell by the shrinkwrap that it had been resealed. My hunch was confirmed when I got the box home and opened it to the smell of cigarette tobacco smoke, :puke:

[rpepper9]

I think that even though the seller is not sayng factory sealed he is definantly implying that they are. The photos that are included are not enough to make a good judgement on the quality of the shrink wrap. It comes down to buyer beware. eBay probably would not take any action against this seller for a fraud complaint due to the way the auction is worded, and the fact that he is not using the words factory sealed or anything that would imply such.

However many posts have said that this seller is using different ebay screen names. That is an offense that eBay takes very seriously and is not allowed. It is not allowed so that you down bid up your own auctions. I thiink it is called shill bidding. So if you think that this guy has more than one screen name then report it to eBay and they will do a quick check of the info that was provided by the user when setting up the account. If that info matches for two screen names eBay will kick both screen names off and it will be awhile before this seller is re-wrapping games.

I know that eBay takes this very seriously because they contacted me when a legitimate bidder kept biddin on a lot of my auctions. They thought it was me bidding up my own stuff. So they had me verify who I am and I had no relation to the other bidder so all was good.

Just a little insite based on my selling experiences. :D

[v1rich]

Try this seller:
http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&userid=blrem2000&include=0&since=-1&sort=3&rows=50

This guy has like 10 or more of these resealed games for sale (by my opinion), advertised as factory sealed. It's just not the same thing.

Should be banned from ebay. The factory sealing just does not wrinkle like that and it is a different kind of plastic. Not at all stretchy.

Here is a "Sealed" Secret of Mana:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8103806099&rd=1

There seems to be a lot of this going on these days.

[wcmiker]

As for the issue of resealing, I could care less, unless he was advertising it as "brand new" or "never been opened." He really doesn't tell you or present the item as being factory sealed. I don't see it as being deceiving, because he doesn't actually use the words. Buyers can judge for themselves by the picture he has presented. As for those poor unfortunate fools who believed they were factory sealed, they have no one to blame but themselves - caveat emptor!

Of course he's being deceptive, he went to the trouble of putting horizontal seals on most of the games. The Zelda II even has a hangtag. This guy knows the games will sell for more because many will think they are factory sealed. He's making sure not to blatantly say they are factory sealed so he doesn't get in trouble, but he is puropsely suggesting it.

[esquire]

As for the issue of resealing, I could care less, unless he was advertising it as "brand new" or "never been opened." He really doesn't tell you or present the item as being factory sealed. I don't see it as being deceiving, because he doesn't actually use the words. Buyers can judge for themselves by the picture he has presented. As for those poor unfortunate fools who believed they were factory sealed, they have no one to blame but themselves - caveat emptor!

Of course he's being deceptive, he went to the trouble of putting horizontal seals on most of the games. The Zelda II even has a hangtag. This guy knows the games will sell for more because many will think they are factory sealed. He's making sure not to blatantly say they are factory sealed so he doesn't get in trouble, but he is puropsely suggesting it.

I would bet the average ebayer has no idea about the horizontal seal. I think you are reading too far into it. Only the collector would know about the horizontal seal, and from what I've seen in this thread, the seller is fooling no one if that is his true intention.

[EASports]

I would bet the average ebayer has no idea about the horizontal seal. I think you are reading too far into it. Only the collector would know about the horizontal seal, and from what I've seen in this thread, the seller is fooling no one if that is his true intention.

I was fooled at first, but then I am a newbie... :embarrassed: Maybe it's my inappropriate trusting nature... Don't worry though, I'm losing that pretty quickly ;)

[kai123]

As for the issue of resealing, I could care less, unless he was advertising it as "brand new" or "never been opened." He really doesn't tell you or present the item as being factory sealed. I don't see it as being deceiving, because he doesn't actually use the words. Buyers can judge for themselves by the picture he has presented. As for those poor unfortunate fools who believed they were factory sealed, they have no one to blame but themselves - caveat emptor!

Of course he's being deceptive, he went to the trouble of putting horizontal seals on most of the games. The Zelda II even has a hangtag. This guy knows the games will sell for more because many will think they are factory sealed. He's making sure not to blatantly say they are factory sealed so he doesn't get in trouble, but he is puropsely suggesting it.

I would bet the average ebayer has no idea about the horizontal seal. I think you are reading too far into it. Only the collector would know about the horizontal seal, and from what I've seen in this thread, the seller is fooling no one if that is his true intention.

Good now I can rip off all the suckers I want!!!! :evil: Just because someone doesn't understand the differences does not mean they need to be ripped off.

[esquire]

As for the issue of resealing, I could care less, unless he was advertising it as "brand new" or "never been opened." He really doesn't tell you or present the item as being factory sealed. I don't see it as being deceiving, because he doesn't actually use the words. Buyers can judge for themselves by the picture he has presented. As for those poor unfortunate fools who believed they were factory sealed, they have no one to blame but themselves - caveat emptor!

Of course he's being deceptive, he went to the trouble of putting horizontal seals on most of the games. The Zelda II even has a hangtag. This guy knows the games will sell for more because many will think they are factory sealed. He's making sure not to blatantly say they are factory sealed so he doesn't get in trouble, but he is puropsely suggesting it.

I would bet the average ebayer has no idea about the horizontal seal. I think you are reading too far into it. Only the collector would know about the horizontal seal, and from what I've seen in this thread, the seller is fooling no one if that is his true intention.

Good now I can rip off all the suckers I want!!!! :evil: Just because someone doesn't understand the differences does not mean they need to be ripped off.

Ummm, how are they being "ripped off"? They are getting exactly what they pay for, a complete Dragon Warrior IV in flawless condition. Unless the seller doesn't send them what is showed, they are not getting ripped off! If they assume its factory sealed (even though it doesn't say so), that is their own freaking fault. Sheez. They can easily email the seller and ask first before bidding. If they get no reply, or they don't like his answer, THEY SHOULDN"T BID!

By analogy, if the item wasn't shrink-wrapped and the auction said nothing about whether the game was complete, and a bidder bid without first asking whether the game is complete (e.g. instructions, etc which are not shown), that is their own damn fault.

Would you be ok with the auction if it said "sealed" (not "factory sealed") and did not say anything about whether it was brand new?

[Daria]

Oh come on... why else would the guy seal the games before selling them without intending to trick bidders into thinking the auctions were for brand new factory sealed games. And the fact that he has sealed them means he doesn't have to/can't takes pictures of the contents inside the box. Hell he doesn't even have to include a manual if he says the game's sealed.

Is he outright lying about the condition of his auctions? No. But it's definately misleading.
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[jonjandran]

In fraud cases, the failure to give information is considered the same as lying.

It would have to be determined if the seller is purposely not giving out enough information in the hopes of getting more money from the buyer and thus defrauding him.

In this case I would say the seller is trying to profit from a lack of information.
Because this is a collector who knows what buyers are looking for and the seller has done many things (horizontal seal, lack of disclosing items aren't new, etc) to make the games look like factory sealed items.

[esquire]

In fraud cases, the failure to give information is considered the same as lying.

You are only half right. In such a circumstance, it is only fraud if a potential buyer asked a question regarding the condition of the product and the seller remained silent. Hence the term silent fraud. For example, if I am looking to buy a used car and I ask the seller if it has ever been in accident, and the seller remains silent failing to disclose any information regarding a past accident, that would be fraud. You do not have to disclose everything about an item (unless required to do so by law such as in a seller's disclosure statement when you sell a house) that you are selling. For example, not disclosing in an auction that I am not the original owner is not fraud. Only if I remain silent when asked that question is it fraud.

Is this fraud? Probably not, unless he were to represent it as new or he failed to answer a buyer's question on the condition of the game.

Personally, I don't know why the game is shrink-wrapped. Then again, I will never understand the collecting of shrink-wrapped games, unless you wanted a new out of box game to play. Games, IMO, are meant to be played first. Maybe he shrinkwrapped them to preserve their condition like a comic book collector, stamp collector, autograph collector. Maybe he runs a game store and seals all his games to prevent theft and/or loss. Maybe he is trying to get more money. Who knows. But the fact is the auction does not state the game is new, nor does it state its factory sealed.

DPG lists the game as R6+ at $30. I usually find the DPG to be a little low. Add on the ebay factor, plus the fact it comes with a strategy guide and it is complete, I don't see anything wrong with it going for $150. Hell, I just saw a Dracula X strategy guide open at $100 - $100 just for the strategy guide! Here are some comparative auctions.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8102276624&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8102938581&rd=1

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=4315&item=8103609048&rd=1

Looks like one in flawless condition runs $70 to $90. Sure there were others for less, but not complete or in as good consition. Of course, none have the strategy guide. Here is a strategy guiide for $61.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=62053&item=8103139129&rd=1

So, it doesn't look like the seller made any additional profit for allegedly trying to rip people off.

BTW, did anyone even bother to email the seller?