Lots of Nintendo E3 media in one place? You got it!

[Mayhem]

http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/index.html

Username: golin
Password: harris

Enjoy! :D

All I can say is... I'm so fucking glad now I've pre-ordered a Japanese DS 8-)

[kai123]

Thank You very much!!!!

[Mayhem]

For those who have problems finding the videos at other sites, I'm currently uploading a few I've gotten for people to sample...

http://62.168.142.47/~mayhem/images/metroid.wmv
http://62.168.142.47/~mayhem/images/papermario2.wmv
http://62.168.142.47/~mayhem/images/re4.wmv
http://62.168.142.47/~mayhem/images/starfox.wmv
http://62.168.142.47/~mayhem/images/zelda.mov

Should be all done by 7pm EST...

[ManekiNeko]

I *****LOVE***** the Paper Mario 2 footage. I can't stress this enough... as you may have already noticed. LOL

I can't wait to play through Super Mario Bros. as Bowser! Who came up with that, anyway? That's almost as inspired as the Super Kingio Bros. easter egg in a past episode of Homestar Runner.

JR

[Duncan]

I can't believe I doubted the abilities of the DS. The design of that thing is nothing short of brilliant where portables are concerned.

Great quote from the DS press release:


While others plan to let you go a little faster down the same roads you have always traveled, Nintendo plans to take you down incredible avenues you've never seen before.

Which is about what I would expect from the as-yet unchallenged leaders in portable gaming.

Way to go, Nintendo! \^_^/

[tholly]

I can't believe I doubted the abilities of the DS. The design of that thing is nothing short of brilliant where portables are concerned.

Great quote from the DS press release:


While others plan to let you go a little faster down the same roads you have always traveled, Nintendo plans to take you down incredible avenues you've never seen before.

Which is about what I would expect from the as-yet unchallenged leaders in portable gaming.

Way to go, Nintendo! \^_^/

that is a very great quote...and its exactly something i would expect to hear from nintendo.

[VACRMH]

Holy crap, thanks! :)

[portnoyd]

Man, Wario Ware DS... *slobber*

dave

[sisko]

Excuse my ignorance, but I don't think I've seen an expected launch date for this bad boy anywhere. Does anyone have this info?

I was speculating Q4 of 2004, but would prefer a definite answer.

[Jasoco]

Thanks for the link! That is so cool!

Ditto the date. When the hell IS the DS coming out? I must know a date!

Ooh.. A new GBA Zelda! I hope it doesn't suck. I really wish they'd remake Awakening and the Oracle ones. I can't find the Color ones anymore and I really have a craving to beat the Wind Fish again.

I can't wait to see the possibilities. But I wanna know the date! I really wanna see this in action! I can feel my bank account getting emptied as I type this. Daaaamn.

I want to know a definate date and a definate cost. If it's $150, I just might buy it on Launch Day. But if it's $200, I'll have to wait. But if there's a good enough release game, DAMMMMN, I will so fast change my mind.

I also wonder how much DS games will cost. I'd hate to think $50. Frankly, I think $20 is too much for a GBA game as it is. $50 for a DS game would be torture.

I'll have to watch this closely.

I was kinda hoping for some N5 announcements aside from the "Code Name". I'd love to see a concept shot. Oh well, at least I have NP now. That'll help. As will the GamePro, Game Informer, GMR and EGM mags I get.

[YoshiM]

After seeing those images, I think I might be eating a big bowl of

http://webpages.charter.net/pmode4/croflakesbox.jpg

If those images are the real deal, boy did I underestimate that little system.

[Lady Jaye]

Well, that new Zelda GBA game is being made by Capcom. They seem to add enough new elements to not seem like a remake of one of the previous games in the series.... Of course, it could still suck, but after the great work Capcom did on the Oracle games, I'm rather positive about this. :D

[Jasoco]

Don't worry, a lot of people did. Hell, I did too for a little while. But I really do believe in this thing. I can't wait to see this thing in action and to own one in my hot little hands. I just got a GBA and already I'm clamoring for the DS! Especially with the backwards compatibility.

I've already decided I'll be getting it just for the new Mario game and the Kart one alone. This is great. I just wish they'd show a release daye already! I hate thinking it may not be until next year.

[MarioAllStar2600]

I am not a big fan of RPG's but Paper Mario 2 is going to kick major ass.
Wario Ware dual screen doe slook cool *joins the bandwagon and drools*

Is it just me or has Nintendo came up HUGEEE this E3?

[tholly]

I am not a big fan of RPG's but Paper Mario 2 is going to kick major ass.
Wario Ware dual screen doe slook cool *joins the bandwagon and drools*

Is it just me or has Nintendo came up HUGEEE this E3?

its just you...they sucked big time...ahhaha jkjk

yea, they came up huge...i am very impressed by everything i have read about so far..this coming year is going to be great for Nintendo gamers / fans

[Jasoco]

I really can't wait for Paper Mario 2. I never got into the first sadly. I want to play it, but don't want to buy it used from GS. Damn their prices.

But the video for PM2 cinched it for me. Dammmn, the cool effects you can do with paper are neat! I haven't been this amused by simplicity since Wind Waker, and before that, Yoshi's Story. Remember when that was a big thing? Everything liiked like it was created from paper, cardboard and fabric. It was a really cool game. This one is great! PM2 will be teh r0xx0rz.

Did Sony and Microsoft announce anything? It seems to have gotten muted by the big news of Nintendo.

[Push Upstairs]

About damn time Nintendo.

New "2D" Mario

And a more "mature" looking Zelda

Good Job.

[christianscott27]

weird that the big N is stealing lines from RFK


Some look at video games and remain content with the way things are. Nintendo dreams of things and asks, "Why not?"


nintendo ds press release


There are those that look at things the way they are, and ask, 'Why?' I dream of things that never were, and ask 'Why not?'


Sen. Robert Francis Kennedy

[lendelin]

Let's see...a couple of screenshots, a couple of sentences from the Nintendo marketing department, and this is declared already a great handheld system? ;) Wow, I'm so glad that avid videogamers don't fall for hype.

Ns early response to the PSP might end up a gimmick unless there are ingenious game developer at work to make use of the dual screens. In any case...wait for the games, THEN you can drool. So far I see the second screen used as a menu screen, a screen which came up when you pushed the Start button usually, not a monumental innovation in my book. I see it so far as a gimmick maybe for some racers, some FPS maybe, but I can't imagine it will make up for the graphical power of the PSP. I think we see the beginning of the end of Ns monopoly in the handheld market.

I'm mistrustful; unless some really good games are released for the system, and the PSP is in the $300 range, I can't see the DS competing successfully with the PSP.

[kai123]

Let's see...a couple of screenshots, a couple of sentences from the Nintendo marketing department, and this is declared already a great handheld system? ;) Wow, I'm so glad that avid videogamers don't fall for hype.

Ns early response to the PSP might end up a gimmick unless there are ingenious game developer at work to make use of the dual screens. In any case...wait for the games, THEN you can drool. So far I see the second screen used as a menu screen, a screen which came up when you pushed the Start button usually, not a monumental innovation in my book. I see it so far as a gimmick maybe for some racers, some FPS maybe, but I can't imagine it will make up for the graphical power of the PSP. I think we see the beginning of the end of Ns monopoly in the handheld market.

I'm mistrustful; unless some really good games are released for the system, and the PSP is in the $300 range, I can't see the DS competing successfully with the PSP.

Wow you tell everyone else to wait and play the games before declaring it a success then you declare it doomed. x_x

[lendelin]

Let's see...a couple of screenshots, a couple of sentences from the Nintendo marketing department, and this is declared already a great handheld system? ;) Wow, I'm so glad that avid videogamers don't fall for hype.

Ns early response to the PSP might end up a gimmick unless there are ingenious game developer at work to make use of the dual screens. In any case...wait for the games, THEN you can drool. So far I see the second screen used as a menu screen, a screen which came up when you pushed the Start button usually, not a monumental innovation in my book. I see it so far as a gimmick maybe for some racers, some FPS maybe, but I can't imagine it will make up for the graphical power of the PSP. I think we see the beginning of the end of Ns monopoly in the handheld market.

I'm mistrustful; unless some really good games are released for the system, and the PSP is in the $300 range, I can't see the DS competing successfully with the PSP.

Wow you tell everyone else to wait and play the games before declaring it a success then you declare it doomed. x_x

nah, not really...:) In both cases (PSP and DS) the proof is in the pudding, it's all games; The DS isn't doomed; the only thing we can do at this point of screenshots and mouthwatering hype of PR departments is evaluate the prospects assuming both ssytems will have the around the same quality games, and that means that the marketing of the PSP is much easier than the DS. The PSP is basically a mini-PS2 with probably some original titles but also pretty much accuarte and esy to transfer PS2 titles; titles like GT4 which will be a big success on the PS2. That's tempting, VERY tempting for gamers. On the other hand we have a less "powerful" DS which I perceive with lots of reservatuions becasue I can't really see innovative ideas for gameplay becasue of a second screen. I see it more in the line of the GBA-connectivity of the GC which turned out to be nothing more than a gimmick as well.

Good news are the GC lineup of games, the new Zelda, Fire Emblem, Star Fox, Metroid Prime; at last the new Zelda seems to be what it should have been in the first place. Look at the shots of the new Zelda, and then tell me that graphics are 'unimportant.' They are not, and so isn't sound, they are the basics of the basics of good games, and the PSP seems to be ahead in this department as well.

The biggest competitor of the PSP is probably it's own price tag, this might be a bigger obstacle for it's sucess than the DS.

[hydr0x]

Let's see...a couple of screenshots, a couple of sentences from the Nintendo marketing department, and this is declared already a great handheld system? ;) Wow, I'm so glad that avid videogamers don't fall for hype.

Ns early response to the PSP might end up a gimmick unless there are ingenious game developer at work to make use of the dual screens. In any case...wait for the games, THEN you can drool. So far I see the second screen used as a menu screen, a screen which came up when you pushed the Start button usually, not a monumental innovation in my book. I see it so far as a gimmick maybe for some racers, some FPS maybe, but I can't imagine it will make up for the graphical power of the PSP. I think we see the beginning of the end of Ns monopoly in the handheld market.

I'm mistrustful; unless some really good games are released for the system, and the PSP is in the $300 range, I can't see the DS competing successfully with the PSP.


sorry lendelin, i usually agree with most of your statements but i think you got it totally wrong this time. one question, have you even seen the list of 3rd party DS games and their features??

just one name: Yu-Gi-Oh!

this little game will be a huge system seller, it let's you play the cards per touchscreen, you can play with 16-players wireless, i think EVERY kid will buy a DS just for this one (not to talk of the next pokemon yet)

but some of the other games listed already show what the 2nd screen can be used for, i really don't see where you're coming from here, there are quite a lot of possiblities for the 2 screens, not to talk of touchscreen, speech-controlled-games, 16-player wireless mp, gba compatibility, 2(!) game slots (imagine the game+peripheral usage of this)

plus the unbeatable price of $150 (i don't doubt that) and the massive line-up, no way this is going to fail

btw release dates: US/JAP 4.Quarter 2004, EUR 1.Quarter 2005

[xaqar]

http://www.nintendo.com/media/e32k4/index.html

Username: golin
Password: harris

Enjoy! :D

All I can say is... I'm so fucking glad now I've pre-ordered a Japanese DS 8-)

Thanks! Mario DS or whatever they call it...mmmmmmmmmmmm :)
Xaqar

[Jasoco]

The main reason the DS will kick the PSP's ass:

Game Boy compatibility.

Period.

To parents, this will be a reason to give in to their kids demands they get one for Christmas. They already have games for it. That is it. The ability to play GB games will be the PSP killer.

Frankly.. yay!

Now, just give me a date.

[kainemaxwell]

Does anyone have the videos in non-mov format? I can't install QT presently and I'm itching to see these videos. @_@

[Querjek]

Mayhem, I can't get the user/pass stuff to work now... I got it to before though :/

[Rev. Link]

Me too. Maybe Nintendo found out the account was being "shared" and axed it.

[hydr0x]

Me too. Maybe Nintendo found out the account was being "shared" and axed it.

yeah i think so too, luckily enough i saved all the new stuff already, although it wasn't too much in fact, no videos or whatever (those are all on nintendo.com)

[Mayhem]

Yep, that area has been shut down now... I believe it was just for promotional use for those people not attending E3...

On the other hand, you can try here too :D

http://www.game-media.com

[hydr0x]

you can find all the trailers here:

www.gametrailers.com

[petewhitley]

Ns early response to the PSP might end up a gimmick unless there are ingenious game developer at work to make use of the dual screens. In any case...wait for the games, THEN you can drool. So far I see the second screen used as a menu screen, a screen which came up when you pushed the Start button usually, not a monumental innovation in my book. I see it so far as a gimmick maybe for some racers, some FPS maybe, but I can't imagine it will make up for the graphical power of the PSP. I think we see the beginning of the end of Ns monopoly in the handheld market.

Your posts are alway spot on man. Seriously, this guy is the voice of reason. I love SMB as much as the next guy, but you put that up against GT4 and uh... sorry, but Joe Average ain't havin' it. That 2nd screen means jack sh*t if the PSP is pushing PS2 quality graphics. I can't believe how quickly this board has pulled a 180 for the DS...

[Bratwurst]

Seems that just about everyone is ready to give Nintendo blowjobs now but not me! Some sour points:

The touchscreen will be a liability with kids. It'll depend on the material they use I'm sure, likely capacitor touch where the screen is slightly electrified and doesn't require pressure. Kid's still gonna stab his dirty digit all over it.

Two lit screens, battery life and you. There's no mention of how long a charge will last nor how crazy expensive a replacement might be.

Every freakin' game is just another Mario, Zelda, or Metroid. On launch day, that's when Nintendo shoots its load, and needs help from third party publishers to beef up the library. Do you expect those companies to take full advantage of this little system's quirks much like the N64 (strange controller configuration) or GameCube? (GBA to GC connectivity, e-reader etc.) At that point, the DS becomes a gameboy with two screens.

[Mayhem]

The DS is a GBA with two screens anyhow, seeing as it can play GBA carts :P

Who says Nintendo are aiming this at the younger market? Aren't they allowed to direct something more towards us older gamesplayers? Sony are aiming there, and I severely don't see any parents buying a PSP for their child. I can't see a lot doing that for the DS either given the potential initial price tag.

Battery life I imagine will be around the same as the GBA SP currently. Which is slightly more than the proposed length for the PSP. Might need two screens lighting, but there's no power for any disc motor to be spinning etc.

[davidleeroth]

Press Room works fine for me... x_x

Anyways, I see some good points made here and I agree that Nintendo will need some quality support from quality thirdparties in order to succeed.
To get that support, Nintendo has to show them the possibilities that the dual screen setup has (beside maps).

I'm confident that these possibilities will be pushed and intoduced in the coming months by Nintendo but getting developers off their asses is the problem. So far the thirdparty developer/soft list doesn't really consist of anything I'd call innovative or groudbreaking (Rayman, Spider-Man 2).
It needs some Treasure and fast.

If it where anyone else than Nintendo, I'd say the system was dead in the water but I can't see Nintendo releasing a dual screen system just for the sake of that very thing.

What comes for the PSP, they've got a couple of things I have to say about it.
First is the price. I'm guessing it will be $350 if no features are dropped like they did with PSX.
That's a bit much for a handheld unit just to play games you already have free via modded PS2. Yes, I'm saying modding is playing a big part of PlayStation's success. It's not the only one of course but it's a term that is as familiar with average joe than the PlayStation is.

Apart from modding, average joe also knows PlayStation for other things too. Yes, he knows about DRE and he knows the local repair guy by name.
Portable + optical drive + PlayStation build quality = Oh dear...

Gotta go...

[Jasoco]

Nintendo already mentioned that the touch screen will be much more protected than the regular one. That has already been said. It will be durable. And adorable.

[gamegirl79]

I was able to log into the site just fine.

Anyone who is worried about third-party developers jumping on board read the press release "New Nintendo DS Attracts Worldwide Developer Interest". EA, Sega, Capcom, Atari, and many others are all in as of right now. We will see what really happens after the system is released, but honestly I'm not too worried about it. What little social life I have now will be long gone once I get my hands on Animal Crossing DS. LOL

Hopefully the dual screen will spark a little creativity and innovation in future games....because that's something that really seems to be lacking right now in the video game world.

[lendelin]

sorry lendelin, i usually agree with most of your statements but i think you got it totally wrong this time. one question, have you even seen the list of 3rd party DS games and their features??

just one name: Yu-Gi-Oh!

this little game will be a huge system seller, it let's you play the cards per touchscreen, you can play with 16-players wireless, i think EVERY kid will buy a DS just for this one (not to talk of the next pokemon yet)

but some of the other games listed already show what the 2nd screen can be used for, i really don't see where you're coming from here, there are quite a lot of possiblities for the 2 screens, not to talk of touchscreen, speech-controlled-games, 16-player wireless mp, gba compatibility, 2(!) game slots (imagine the game+peripheral usage of this)

plus the unbeatable price of $150 (i don't doubt that) and the massive line-up, no way this is going to fail

btw release dates: US/JAP 4.Quarter 2004, EUR 1.Quarter 2005

Well, wait until you can actually play the games if they deliver what the PR departments promise. I really can't see true innovations here; Yu-Gi-Oh card battles??... I don't know, I just can't see the attraction for a wider audience just based on this possibility. Rear-view mirror perspective for racers? I don't know, we have that already with a push of a button during long straights. Different perspectives for FPS?...I don't know, multi-player screens are already here.

I see the dual screen as a gimmick, my gut instinct tells me it's in the line of the GBA connectivity for the GC which turned out more an obstacle than an incentive to buy and play GBA and GC games (example: FF Chronicles). I am as skeptical about the DS gameplay innovation as I was back then about the GBA connectivity which was touted as an innovation as well.

Don't we have a second screen for a Nintendo system already? The famous GBA which delivers for the GC such tremendous things like additional lil' radar screen etc.?

Look, N had three choices as soon as the PSP was announced: 1) do nothing, which is a bad choice. 2) upgrade the GBA with a new system, 3) something else. I would have gone with number two, although there a pros and cons. The 'something else,' the DS, was annonced to diversify your own offerings and at the same time curtail the potential customer base for the PSP. The latter will happen, the Q is to which degree; and the degree depends on how the DS is able to compete with the PSP.

The prospects for a a successful competition aren't good.

1) At the center of the 'new' more powerful system is the dual screen, which means the system is evaluated and measured by the ability to deliver something new BECAUSE of the second screen. What if these additional gameplay elements are only minor? Then adults and kids (who can be your worst critics because they are easily bored) will ask themselves 'why do I need this second screen?' What you have then is merely a system with a more or less obsolete second screen which will be compared to the more powerful PSP which is supposed to deliver better graphics.

2) Therefore, even great and good looking games for the DS HAVE to deliver something in the second screen compartment, which means that N and third party developers have to include something which makes use of the second screen. Unlike N itself, third party developers won't develop for the DS alone, but want to produce for both systems, which means that some minor additional second screen elements will be added for specific games; they might even look forced in order not to de-evaluate the game istself for the DS ssytem. In the end, this might de-evaluate the system itself and the games. It might even be that the pressure to come up with something for the second screen is more of an obstacle than anything else to produce for the system.

3) Since the DS has to compete with the PSP, it's success depends on dual screen abilities. It can't compete with the PSP with a nice wide screen and sheer power as a one-screen handheld. Even worse, IF the DS is stripped down as a gimmicky handheld because the additional gameplay elements are only minor, the attention will focus back to the GBA which looks certainly hopelessly outdated compared to the PSP. N has NOTHING to fall back to if there aren't great innovative gameplay elements which are hard to see at the moment.

It will be indeed all in the games, like always; N idepends in the long run in an almost frightening way on these second screen abilities; if they don't come, the 'dual' path turns out to be a very narrow and bumpy one-way-street.

In all likelihood, the DS is a gimmicky handheld as an aggresive response to the PSP for the transition phase until N can release a new handheld system. N buys time with it, tries to weaken the PSP, can watch how well the PSP actually does, and if necessary release a new system. However, by the time this will happen, it might be too late to respond to the PSP. If I were in N shoes, I would have chosen the direct competition with a completely new handheld. The prospects to succed are much better this way than the indirect path of a 1.5 new system.

I'm a notoriously anti-handheld gamer, never had a sytem becasue I wanna SEE something when I'm playing. When I saw the annoncaments of the DS and PSP, even I was tempted maybe later to buy a PSP, the DS doesn't tempt me at all...and when I saw a possibly great looking GT4, I might even open my wallet. If a guy like me even thinks about buying a handheld, well, that's very bad news for N.

Even more worrisome than N decision for the DS is the lenght of this post, I'll give you that. ;)

[lendelin]

I was able to log into the site just fine.

Anyone who is worried about third-party developers jumping on board read the press release "New Nintendo DS Attracts Worldwide Developer Interest". EA, Sega, Capcom, Atari, and many others are all in as of right now. We will see what really happens after the system is released, but honestly I'm not too worried about it. What little social life I have now will be long gone once I get my hands on Animal Crossing DS. LOL

Hopefully the dual screen will spark a little creativity and innovation in future games....because that's something that really seems to be lacking right now in the video game world.

That's PR-talk. EVERY system is according to the manufacturer supported by the major developers, which says nothing else than the intended good-will to develop for a system if it's profitable. Developers are very rational and profit-oriented people. ;) Decisive is the amount of items sold, and this goes not only for launch day, more so for the six months to a year after release. Then it shows if a system is successful, if it's not, developers abandon ship faster than rats.

[hydr0x]

I was able to log into the site just fine.

Anyone who is worried about third-party developers jumping on board read the press release "New Nintendo DS Attracts Worldwide Developer Interest". EA, Sega, Capcom, Atari, and many others are all in as of right now. We will see what really happens after the system is released, but honestly I'm not too worried about it. What little social life I have now will be long gone once I get my hands on Animal Crossing DS. LOL

Hopefully the dual screen will spark a little creativity and innovation in future games....because that's something that really seems to be lacking right now in the video game world.

That's PR-talk. EVERY system is according to the manufacturer supported by the major developers, which says nothing else than the intended good-will to develop for a system if it's profitable. Developers are very rational and profit-oriented people. ;) Decisive is the amount of items sold, and this goes not only for launch day, more so for the six months to a year after release. Then it shows if a system is successful, if it's not, developers abandon ship faster than rats.

it's not, there's already a list with quite a lot of major franchises coming to DS, all 3rd Party

yes, you are right, a Yu Gi Oh doesn't appeal to anyone, but it's enough if it makes 20mio kids to buy the damn thing ;) you know, this and Pokemon are HUGE system sellers already, no matter if anyone older than 15 buys the DS or not! the older gamers will buy the DS because of games like MP, SMB and others, not even to talk of the APPLICATIONS (not games) possible due to touchscreen. this thing could be a palm if you (and the devs) want it to be...

[SoulBlazer]

Also keep in mind Nintendo IS working on a successor to the GBA. They have said so several times. But I would'nt want to release it until after the PSP also, so I can make a better system. :)