Which games will never be considered classics?

[AdoptApet]

I personally think people take whats considered a classic way to personally.

I have seen so many people attacked by "1337" gamers when they try to discuss games they think are classics.

So In your opinion what games will always be scorned by "1337" guys?

Even though its my favorite game of all time I dont think Halo will ever be accepted as a classic because Halo seems to be the official "overrated casual gamers non hardcore" game among most message boards.

[thegreatescape]

I must be seeing stars... l33t talk on DP X_x

Halo will be always be considered classic console FPS, but not classic FPS (if that makes any sense).

As for the question- Its hard for me to see people refer to mario sunshine when they talk about classic platformers :roll:
I cant think of any other modern games that havent got the praise they deserve.

[norkusa]

What the hell are "1337" gamers???

[Kid Ice]

In my eyes no post-crash game will ever be a classic. That's just me showing my age though.

[Half Cab Leroy]

What the hell are "1337" gamers???

I want to know what they are too.

[calthaer]

"leet" gamers, or "elite" gamers, is what they mean. They're talking "leetspeak," which r00lz ROTFL I M 4 L33T R0><0R D00D!

Well, lots of sucky games will never be considered classics. I don't think the Tomb Raider franchise will ever be classic.

[Kroogah]

1337 is asshole hacker talk for elite. LEET. Get it? Yeh, makes me sad too.

Gwah, calthaer beat me to it.

I dunno, I get the idea of this thread but I can't think of too many examples besides Halo.

[Querjek]

I dunno, I get the idea of this thread but I can't think of too many examples besides Halo.
OMG HALOES 2 WTF LOL ROTLF LMAO

[shai hulud]

well some games might be 747 but then others will stay at 911 and you cant rule out forgotten gems moving up to 90210.

[OldSchoolGamer]

Superman 64, unless your going for Classicly BAD.....

[ManekiNeko]

Battle Arena Toshinden. Although it was instrumental in the success of the Playstation, people aren't going to look back fondly on this fighter. The game's appeal had much more to do with its unparalled polygonal graphics than its gameplay, and in 2004, neither have held up especially well.

Street Fighter EX Plus Alpha is a game that SHOULD be considered a classic, but won't due to gaming politics. Devoted Street Fighter fans will never be willing to acknowledge that EX is one of the better games in the series, all because it's in 3D. That may be the case, but the gameplay is as solid as any of the 2D Street Fighters, and loaded with hundreds of combo possibilities.
(Too bad the sequels sucked so much)

JR

[Ed Oscuro]

Battle Arena Toshinden.
By the same token, neither will Polystars or - more relevant to this discussion - Battle Tryst. Both pretty much screamed "Hey, folks, the M2 3DO is crap!" That said Battle Tryst is supposedly a GOOD polygonal fighter, and has Simon Belmont in it, too (so I recall)! Unfortunately, these games (and that system) are too obscure to ever amount to much of anything.

[Aussie2B]

Hmmm, I'd say a lot of the PlayStation-born series - Crash, Spyro, Tomb Raider, etc.

[VinnyT]

Nanotek Warrior

[Ed Oscuro]

Hmmm, I'd say a lot of the PlayStation-born series - Crash, Spyro, Tomb Raider, etc.
Wha? Those are all classics! TR isn't a favorite of mine...at all...but Spyro and Crash are nice.

[EnemyZero]

in my opinion nothing after the saturn/psx days will, with maybe a few exceptions, like sega dreamcast

[classicb]

I'm not sure I agree I think the first Tomb Raider is considered a classic now. However, I do agree about Battle Arena Toshinden. I loved it at the time but it hasn't shaped up as a classic.

[DigitalSpace]

Nanotek Warrior

I could have made a tasty fast food purchase with the $1.49 that was going for at EB, but yet for some reason, I bought the game. LOL

Anyways, I'm going with any Bubsy game. The bobcat will be remembered as one of the "in-your-face" marketable platformer characters that came out when Sonic became a household name, but that'll be it. I won't even get into Bubsy 3D. LOL

[Griking]

I think that all games will eventually be considered classics to someone. It all depends which console you grew up with as a kid. As far as games go though, it may seem obvious but sports games are rarely classics. I doubt that you'll ever see many of the Madden games sold as collectables.

[farfel]

Games that look like crap compared to modern successors. Like Gran Turismo 1/2 or Grnad Theft 1 or Madden Footbal 1995

[NE146]

We talk l33tly in #vbender 8-)

[Ed Oscuro]

I find it a bit hard to believe TR is a classic and might not call it that myself, but that's just because I don't like the game. It's still a classic; most of the TR-hating going on is a result of the recent awful series (good god Crystal Dynamics!)

[Lady Jaye]

Two games that'll never, oh never be considered classic: Mortal Kombat Advance and Midway Arcade Greatest Hits (both for the GBA). MKA in particular is quite bad.

A third such game would be Pitfall: The Mayan Adventure. The only time I've ever resold a game so quickly (ie. less than 24 hours) after buying it. Fortunately for me, it was the GBA version and I managed to resell it for almost the price I paid.

[bargora]

We talk l33tly in #vbender 8-)
And so now I know the proper adverb construction. ;)

I think that the GBA Midway Arcade GH is amusing, but maybe not classic. Defender is only really playable in low-light conditions (how it was supposed to work with the original GBA is beyond me). And what's up with the Defender port, anyway? Mutant waves are easier than normal waves, and I don't think I've ever gotten my planet back after going into mutant mode. I don't get it.

And then there's that completely unplayable Sinistar port...

I really liked Colony Wars, but I don't know whether it will ever be considered classic.

So does a game need to have crossed some sort of popularity line before it can be considered "classic"? Number of copies sold or something like that?

[Lady Jaye]

I found Defender to be unplayable, unless you consider shooting at 1 mm-high green aliens playable (and this is from a Defender fanatic!). The only game I found playable (kinda) was Robotron.

I think I'd just rather take out my Entex Defender handheld with me than play the GBA version!!! At least the screen size is so much better, and the controls are like the real controls.

[PDorr3]

any post GTA ripoffs.

[kevincure]

Tomb Raider and Halo will both be considered classics, no question. As will Gran Turismo.

Some that won't:
BAT (as was already mentioned) may have been the hype back in the day, but no longer.
Goldeneye - I thought it was overrated back in the day, and I don't think it's even a top 10 FPS today. It never was as popular for as long as Halo has been.
The Tekken series: Honestly, Tekken at its best is not as good as Virtua Fighter or Street Fighter in their primes.

Games that will become classics when they originally weren't:
Blast Corps (N64)
Space Station Silicon Valley (N64)
Burning Rangers (SS)
Vagrant Story (PSX)

[Ed Oscuro]

Goldeneye - I thought it was overrated back in the day, and I don't think it's even a top 10 FPS today. It never was as popular for as long as Halo has been.
It's great that you think that, but Goldeneye's superior diversity in levels, play types, characters and weapons kept the game very popular for longer than Halo has been. I'm sure there was much Goldeneye bashing three years after the game came out, but right now it seems wherever I go there's Halo bashing. As far as console FPSes go, it's even got a decent framerate (especially for its time), but that's taken a hit in my eyes recently.


The Tekken series: Honestly, Tekken at its best is not as good as Virtua Fighter or Street Fighter in their primes.
Classic = the equal of the best games ever?


Games that will become classics when they originally weren't:
Blast Corps (N64)
Space Station Silicon Valley (N64)
Burning Rangers (SS)
Vagrant Story (PSX)
Cult classics they always have been. Learn you this must. Plus, add Mischief Makers to that list. At least Conker's BFD rose above the rest in terms of sales somewhat.

[NE146]

Everyone and ther brother knows the Midway Arcade Classics is complete rubbish.

I mean, it really says a lot when the Joust/Defender cart for the GBC plays a much better version of those games LOL

[SegaAges]

for me, it would all have to depends on when it came out. i am a sega nut, so i still see the dc as being a next gen console.

i really don't consider ps1 to be classic, since games are still being made for it. granted, some games are super crazy old for it, but that doesn't make them a classic in my eyes.

saturn on down are classics that we should enjoy.

[Duncan]

Don't ever say that something won't be a classic.

The AMC Pacer was much-maligned in its day, correct? However, what's the first car you always see in advertising that's supposed to evoke the 1970s? Pacers, especially the later ones (1978-1980) are becoming increasingly rare and sought-after by collectors who want something different. AMC Gremlins fall under the same category.

Same goes for the Edsel -- very unpopular when it was new, but hailed as a unique and interesting car today for the very reasons that people despised it back then. The 1959-1960 models, which were better-looking than the 1958 versions and produced in miniscule numbers, are particularly good investments today.

Referring back to video games, isn't ET a "classic" of sorts these days? It has a unique history, everyone knows what you're talking about when you mention it, and it's getting harder to find as time goes on. Most of the Wisdom Tree games sucked, too, but many people owned them and many people remember them.

If enough people agree, anything can become classic in some way.

[Duncan]

One more post on a slightly different note.

Prevailing wisdom in the collector car field says that anything over fifteen to twenty years old can potentially evoke nostalgia, due to generational shifts. In video game terms, that puts us right at the beginning of the 16-bit era (TG-16 and Genesis). Now, that's not meant to say that anything newer is crap, just that it hasn't yet taken on its true vintage.

Which is to say, buy your Saturn and PS1 games now before people start catching on... :D

[bargora]

Everyone and ther brother knows the Midway Arcade Classics is complete rubbish.

I mean, it really says a lot when the Joust/Defender cart for the GBC plays a much better version of those games LOL
Bullsquash11!1 The GBA version of Joust is the better one, even if they somehow screwed up the gravity. At least you can get more than three enemies on the screen.

As far as Defender goes, well, I think I can agree that the GBC version got it more right than the GBA port.

So what's the real difference between a "classic" and a "cult classic", anyway?

[Ed Oscuro]

Classic = more chrome
Cult Classic = spontaneous combustion, Koresh references

Well, a Cult Classic is a game that gets a strong following from a certain group. Ask BenT, ask Joe, ask anybody...Haunted Castle and Castlevania (N64) aren't very good titles overall for the N64, but those of us over at the Castlevania Dungeon Forum (both of us moderators, and many other folks as well) love them like peaches on our pie. Mostly a music thing. Now walk down the street and try to find somebody who's played Haunted Castle, or who would guess it's something besides an IMAX movie.

There's obscure, and there's cult.

See kids? Cults can be fun, too! BYOFRM.

[NintendoMan]

Even though all the people that love the game, and all the sales, I personally don't consider any Grand Theft Auto's classics.

[NintendoMan]

Classic = more chrome
Cult Classic = spontaneous combustion, Koresh references

Well, a Cult Classic is a game that gets a strong following from a certain group. Ask BenT, ask Joe, ask anybody...Haunted Castle and Castlevania (N64) aren't very good titles overall for the N64, but those of us over at the Castlevania Dungeon Forum (both of us moderators, and many other folks as well) love them like peaches on our pie. Mostly a music thing. Now walk down the street and try to find somebody who's played Haunted Castle, or who would guess it's something besides an IMAX movie.

There's obscure, and there's cult.

See kids? Cults can be fun, too! BYOFRM.

That's puts it really well! (I have loved Castlevania 64, ever since I bought it on launch day)

[Neonsolid]

Gone.