WHO IS BEING A JERK

[TEXASGAMEPLAYER]

I bought a game and paid by money order (ebay# 8109988540). I notified the seller money was on the way. He said shipping would be slowed because it was coming by m.o (check this auction for his description, funny) . I said that's fine I don't mind waiting as long as the item is as described (like new condition) . This is our dialogue and was wondering your opinion. Also check his auction listing (very long winded) and his feedback and let me know if I am out of line or if he is just mean and pompus and not someone people should tolerate.




Thanks for payment, Item above , will be sent out Today, Tuesday, first class mail, delivery confirmation.
Thanks for your business.
Please leave feedback as soon as you receive the item, as I check my feedbacks daily and that?셲 my signal to leave you feedback in return
Thanks,
(brinn1 over 1650 ebay positives, near 100%)



Dear brinn1,
I recieved your email and find it unprofessional to say that you will leave
feedback after I recieve the product and after I leave my feedback. My
business dealings are finished with you, so if you were satisfied with payment and correspondance you should leave f/b not hold it back untill you see my f/b. Holding it back for retallitory f/b is wrong. If I believe I have dealt with someone in good faith then I leave f/b as I see fit and don't judge there f/b or "trade" good f/b for good f/b. I am pushing to get ebay to not show any f/b untill after both parties have left it, this would increase honest f/b. If you did a good job and gave me a fair deal you should feel confident that you will recieve good f/b. In situations like this I always stay away from leaving any feedback just on principle. Thank you and have a nice day.



You know, after 6 years on ebay, and 1750 positives and near 100% feedback and being a pediatrician who sees 30 to 40 kids each day dealing with parents etc. I've got to tell you that you are a royal pain in the ass. Your first email to me questioned the quality of what I might send you and you stated you'd pay if the quality was as advertized. I found that somewhat insulting. I don't know how long you've been around ebay but those of us with years of doing this know that rule #1 is no feedback until buyer leaves it. Too many times you do nothing wrong as a seller, run into a difficult buyer (you're becoming one) and then get left negative feedback with no chance at doing much about it. You say your part is done, I say that's crap. Your part as a buyer (and I buy and sell on ebay the same amount) is to receive what you have bought, inspect it and then act reasonably after you get it. If you are unreasonable and we do not work out our differences then YOU get negative feedback EVEN THO you paid on time. Your part as a buyer is not done unitl the transaction is completed.
Now beyond my need to explain to you my approach and thinking, I couldn't
care less what you think about me as a professional. I don't think you are very professional either and whine about stupid stuff. Save your energy for stuff that matters. You'll get your positive feedback anyway, so what is the big deal if you get it today or next week? Are you in a feedback anxiety crisis? Worry about your health, your family, your job and don't divert negative energy arguing with sellers who have better things to do.
Obviously if you look over my feedback for 6 years, somebody is happy with
how I buy, pay, sell, ship etc. If you aren't then so be it.



I am sorry to have upset you, I am just letting you know what my position is
concerning feedback. There is no reason to say things such as this "royal
pain in the ass" and "whine about stupid stuff" . I did not "question the
quality" of what you would send but only stated that I would be happy
regardless of when it arrived as long as it arrived in stated condition
after you said it would be delayed because you had to leave town. Also, many long time ebayers will leave positive upon recieving payment and most
believe the #1 rule is to make a fair sale and do right by their customers
NOT worry about f/b. And I also do not think that I "am becoming a difficult
customer" for stating my position on f/b in responce to YOUR email. If you
do not like it then I will not bother with f/b. It's really not too important to me. I hope you have a better day I am not trying to offend you or be a "pain in the ass" I was only responding to your email. Thanks!!!
From: BRINN1



Fyi, you are now blocked from sending me any more emails. I will not see
them.
You are further blocked from bidding on any of my auctions
brinn1

[TEXASGAMEPLAYER]

I would like to hear your opinions PLEASE! and don't forget to look at the listing. I don't know how to make a link to it. I'm new to computers.

[gamergary]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8109988540

[number6]

Apparently you are not the only one having trouble with this seller as far as feedback is concerned. Look at the feedback your seller has left for some other buyers/sellers:

http://www.bipcomics.com/bip/negs/negs.pl?User=brinn1&Dirn=Left+by

Looks like your seller likes to neg people a lot.

Here's all the neg's your seller received:

http://www.bipcomics.com/bip/negs/negs.pl?User=brinn1&Dirn=Received+by


I would be glad if this seller blocked me from his auctions because he has a serious attitude problem. The seller also likes to let everyone know that he is a doctor. That is so irrelevant to ebay auctions and makes him look childish in my opinion.

[Jibbajaba]

Wasnt there a whole thread about this guy? Lemme look around....

EDIT: Nope, different guy, but the similarities are eerie.

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=27678

[musical]

IMHO a seller has a right to withhold feedback 'til completion.

About a year ago I received a check, and gave positive feedback. I then received negative feedback from the buyer "Did not get game" even though I have delivery confirmation he got it. (He then charged back to paypal, but my delivery confirm ensured I kept the money.)

I gave positive feedback to a buyer who did not deserve it, because he's a liar.

[Jibbajaba]

Anybody has the right to withhold feedback, but you don;t have the right to harass someone if they havent yet left you feedback.

[jonjandran]

I never leave feedback until I receive it on ANY item. (Unless I'm leaving a Negative , then I do it regardless)

I'm sick and tired of getting bad feedback AFTER I leave positive feedback, when the person would have tried to work it out if they knew that their feedback was being withheld until they worked it out. :angry:

[classic gamer]

Well I counted at least 4-5 instances of this person stating they're a doctor. One in the email above one in the item description and at least three in the link above for the negative feedback. Maybe this person is trying to convince himself that he is a doctor. If you say something enough you start to bellieve it. As far as leaving feedbackl when I'm the buyer I always wait until i receive my purchase and I am satisfied. As a seller I have both left feedback first and waited for the buyer before leaving my feedback. I feel it is a personal choice. But I do not believe that feedback should be held hostage in exchange for positive feedback.

I do like the idea of feedback not being visible until both parties have left feedback.

[TEXASGAMEPLAYER]

I don't feel I was harrassing him but just expressing my view on his policy especially since someone got a neg for not leaving feedback. I hate it when someone is always trying to keep the upperhand with f/b in these situations. If he had not said anything I would have just left f/b and never noticed his unless it was neg. I Don't "check my rating everyday" as he says he does. I just get a wierd vibe from this guy and would not buy from him again. Look at his listings, emails, and replies, he seems unstable and I would not believe he was a doctor unless I had verifid it myself (he REALLY is a doctor). I am in the process of getting his record and another medical proffessional has told me he has a VERY bad bedside manner. Normally this would not be an issue other than the fact that he says it so many times "I AM A DOCTOR". How insecure

[Achika]

I think that a seller doing this for feedback is not a real big deal. There are plenty of sellers that do this (wether they state it upfront or not) and you're going to run into it more than once if you spend an extended amount of time on eBay buying.

jonjandran brings up a good point. If you already recieved feedback from this guy and then your item showed up in less-than-described condition, would you promptly leave him a negative or would your first step be emailing them to try and work things out?

[16-bit]

My feedback philosophy:

-A buyer has a right to expect feedback to be received first.

-A seller has a right to know that the item has arrived safely and is satisfactory before leaving a positive feedback.

[suppafly]

I`d have to say the seller is right. He is just protecting his reputation.

[TEXASGAMEPLAYER]

That's fine concerning f/b but what do you think about this guy's attitude. I think he is rude.

[captain nintendo]

I think the guy comes off as rude. But as long as your item arrives in the described shape and he leaves you positive feedback after you leave him positive feedback.......Who cares ? ;)


When you deal alot on ebay as this guy does appearantly you probably have to deal with alot of dead beats and such. I guess that sucks for his returning buyers if the guy always acts this way. But who knows if he always acts like a total ass wipe x_x

[number6]

I`d have to say the seller is right. He is just protecting his reputation.

I think the seller is being a little pushy when he sends an email like this:



Please leave feedback as soon as you receive the item, as I check my feedbacks daily and that?셲 my signal to leave you feedback in return
Thanks,



When seller's send me an email like this I get a little annoyed myself. I would not email them to let them know this, but I would seriously consider not leaving feedback at all. If the seller continued to bother me about feedback I would report them to ebay. Sorry this seller is a real jerk and there is nothing that can justify his poor behaviour in my opinion.

[TEXASGAMEPLAYER]

When my item arrives I post the condition

[fcfcfc]

IMO, the seller can wait to leave feedback untill after the buyer leaves f/b, as long as it is not retalitory. The buyer can still screw things up after he has paid. If he (the buyer) claims not to receive the item when the seller can prove otherwise, that deserves a negative. But if the buyer leaves a neg because the item was not in good condition and the seller does not offer a refund or any other means of resolution, the seller shouldn't leave the buyer a negative. Just my opinion.

[LeGIt]

As far as I am concerned, the seller should leave feedback as soon as payment is recieved - the positive feedback should be expected by the seller if the service is good, the buyer allready fulfilled their part by paying.

As for questioning the quality of the item after the quality has been stated however, it is something i would not do as I would trust the description.

[captain nintendo]

I always send an e-mail with my payment to a seller which says something along these lines......

"Thanks in advance for a good transaction. I will leave positive feedback upon arrival of the item. (I might say something about the item being as described if thats the reason I am buying it)"

So I really dont see a problem with his e-mail as long as it is within reason.
I am sure he sends everybody the same thing. As do I send every seller the same e-mail with payment.

[badinsults]

I personally don't care if the seller gives me feedback, as long as they don't retaliate for something petty. If I am satisfied with a transaction, I will leave feedback, if not, I do not.

[number6]

So I really dont see a problem with his e-mail as long as it is within reason.
I am sure he sends everybody the same thing. As do I send every seller the same e-mail with payment.



You don't see a problem with the quote below?




Please leave feedback as soon as you receive the item




So if I am unhappy with the item I should leave him negative feedback immediately since that's what he told me to do? I see a big problem with this statement. If his email was worded something like this:

"If you are happy with the item when it arrives please inform me so I can know the transaction has been completed to both our satisfaction. If there are any problems please let me know ASAP so I can handle them appropriately. Once the transaction has been completed successfully I will leave positive feedback for you and I would appreciate the same. Thanks for your business"

I would be far less critical of this guy.


This seller is way too pushy for me and he seems to think that the buyer is the one in control of his auctions. The seller in my opinion has the responsibility to ensure the transaction is completed to the buyer's satisfaction. Simply telling your buyers to leave feedback to signal the end of the transaction is unproffesional especially for a doctor O_O .

[TEXASGAMEPLAYER]

Well I recieved my game today and suprise the game disc looked untouched perfect MINT condition, however the back insert and insructoins are somewhat rough. the spine of the back insert has a tear ?!! how does a disc stay in suck mint condition and the insert get ripped? the insructions show signs of use small creases and such. Overall I am happy with the product, except it came with stickers all over the envolope which read"please leave me feedback after recievingthis ebay item I check my f/b dailyand it's my signal to leave you f/b.

[Griking]

When I sell stuff I usually I try to leave positive feedback for my buyer as soon as I receive their payment. When I'm buying something I expect the same courtesy. I've decided a long time ago that if I don't get my feedback once I pay for my win then honestly I'll probably NEVER leave feedback for the seller at all. I guess we all look at it differently but I won't play the "withhold feedback for leverage" game.

[portnoyd]

WHO IS BEING JERK?

BEAR BEING JERK!

HOW CAN THAT BE?

(Sorry, Im exhausted and this is the first thing I thought.)

dave

[8bitnes]

Any "Doctor" who calls someone a "RETARD" should lose his license. There is no way this man is truly a doc.

As for feedback, it means nothing if you are a buyer. What is going to stop you from sniping on an auction with 10 seconds left? The seller has no way to block you based on your f/b rating (sellers can do so in yahoo! auctions tho) and the seller cannot cancel your bid in the short amt of time left after sniping.

[number6]

Sure feedback means something if you are a buyer. Not everyone snipes for one and second a lot of auctions specifically state that you need a certain feedback rating to bid. Also, if you plan to sell one day a good rating while you are buying only sure doesn't hurt.

I am wondering why some sellers think that feedback is only important for them though? I find it to be somewhat arrogant of someone to think that only they matter in the grand scheme of things. Ebay made feedback for both buyers and sellers.

If feedback did not matter for buyers, then ebay would have setup the system so only sellers would receive feedback. That's not how it works though.


As far as a buyer bidding at the last second, but the buyer does not meet the auction requirements. Ebay provides remedies for this. Check out the link below:

http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/unwelcome-buying.html

[MrRetroGamer]

My opinion is that there was nothing out of line with the sellers email to you. The fact that you felt it necesary to comment back regarding his policy was uncalled for at that point, and anything else that transpired was triggered by this event. Had I received an email similar to the one you sent, I probably would not have been very thrilled either.

Sellers need some indication that the buyer has received the item and is happy. Most buyers do not email the seller again unless there is a problem, and even then it may be weeks into the future. Some sellers actually do CARE about their customers and want to make sure everything is received properly and that the customer is happy, and have no other indication other than feedback. If the customer is not happy, than some sellers will try to MAKE the customer happy, if given the chance.

The feedback system is flawed, that is for sure. We can talk till we are blue in the face about it, but the fact is that it works the way it works and it's not going to change any time soon, so we learn to live with it, just like everything else.

[number6]

The seller was wrong also by demanding feedback. If the seller had asked politely for feedback then there would have been no need for the buyer to question the seller at all now would there? Communication is a 2 way street and just because something does not sit well with a seller does not automatically give them the right to go off on people. The seller could have stated his position without name calling and telling the buyer "the way things are" on ebay. The arrogance of some sellers amazes me. I always check a sellers feedback carefully when I notice a lot of negatives left by a seller. It's usually an indication of arrogance and I can do without that crap. I have passed up some really nice items on ebay because of arrogant sellers.

I know a lot of sellers have been ripped off. Guess what so have a lot of buyers. I don't think you would agree that buyer's who have been ripped off in the past have the right to demand feedback first would you? It's funny to me how some seller's on ebay only want to think about their own concerns. Whatever happened to the motto "the customer is always right"? On ebay the motto seems to be "The customer is presumed to be a theif regardless of how many successful transactions they have had in the past". I think what it boils down to is that power sellers (or any high volume seller) don't take the time to review a buyer's feedback, because they are of course way too busy, so they take the easy route and treat everyone like scum.

As far as the feedback system is concerned I was only pointing out that feedback is actually important for both parties in ebay transactions. Again some sellers seem to think that the whole purpose of ebay is for them to make money. Buyers make no contribution to ebay whatsover. Why hasn't ebay banned buyer's accounts by now? All we need are a bunch of whining arrogant seller's.

[MrRetroGamer]

The seller was wrong also by demanding feedback. If the seller had asked politely for feedback then there would have been no need for the buyer to question the seller at all now would there?

I re-read the initial post and I don't see where in the sellers FRIENDLY and ROUTINE email was a DEMAND for feedback? I see the use of "thanks" 3 times and "please" once. I don't see how that constitutes a demand?

The seller was doing a service by notifying the buyer that the item shipped (not everyone does that) and didn't really deserve the email they got back. That's MY opinion on this.

[TEXASGAMEPLAYER]

Look it is this simple the seller told me I was not getting feedback untill he got his and was very pushy. I told him I felt the ball was in his court. He writes rude and abusive things back and was completely out of line. I maintained a cool and collected manner throughout and even apoligized if I offended him or was out of line. As far as I am concerned I have the right to communicate on any concerns as long as I am not a jerk. Apperently someone in here thinks as a customer I am required to just "shut up" that I can't voice my opinion in a polite way. I say crap and am sure that if he was put in a similar situation at a resturant, bar or convience store he would speak up. If this guy doesn't want to field questions or if he doesn't have time to read my short email then it sounds like he doesn't have time to be operating a side business on ebay apart from his POOR medical practice. I know he comes to this website and I wonder if he is posting comments here now. Look at the item listing, he whines and complains and look at his feedback comments he is rude and childish. I should have took that as a sign not to bid. If I made a mistake anywhere that was my mistake doing business with someone I knew was a jerk from the begining.

[TEXASGAMEPLAYER]

Please give final answers to the question "WHO IS BEING A JERK" or feel free to ask DOCTOR brinn to join our discussion (seeing as I can not, I'm blocked from his email) Thanks for your insight into my delima.

[brinn1]

I don't usually write on these forum things because frankly I have a life. Many of you should get one too. To give one minutes energy to some low life's gripe about one sale from a seller with 2500 transactions and 6 years of ebay trading is silly. You guys need to deffinitely find something useful to do with your lives, something that matters, you're wasting energy responding to some half wit with a single gripe who has made it his life's work to talk to as many people as possible about one stupid transaction which is meaningless in the great scheme of things. To go on and on about this is insane. FIND SOMETHING USEFUL TO DO WITH YOUR LIVES, NOBODY CARES WHAT YOU WRITE! I only found out about this because some charming person who reads this crap, emailed me to tell me that she also is blocking this jerk from her ebay seller account. DUH! who wouldn't want to do the same, He may buy from you next and you'll spend the next 20 years dealing with the dumb transaction while the guys travels the web looking for chat rooms to blow hot air. Grow up Texas, Get on with your life and don't worry about me. As to those of you who want to comment on my behavior as a physician, how many doctors do you know? What gives y ou the right to judge me? Did you spend 4 yrs in pre med, 4 years in med school, 3 years in residency and 26 years caring for children? Who cares what you think? Maybe I ought to add all of you to my patient list because you all sound like children- my speciality.
S

[TEXASGAMEPLAYER]

brinn is VERY proud to be a doctor. VERY PROUD

[TEXASGAMEPLAYER]

brinn is VERY proud to be a doctor. VERY PROUD

[brinn1]

This is really my last comment on these pages until I leave them forever.
Contrary to Texas half wit's comments that I write on these pages regularly, I have never been to this site before and never will return to this or any forum site. I believe they are a waste of time and energy. I had to get a pass word and id just to write these to responses. Again I never would have known about the site except for an email by one of the supporting responders.

WHY IS TEXAS HALF WIT SO FIXATED ON ME? HE OR OTHERS OF YOU QUESTION MY STABILITY? I LAUGH AT YOUR COMICAL ATTEMPTS TO ANALYZE SOMEONE FROM A COUPLE OF EMAILS SUBMITTED BY A LOSER.

WHAT GIVES ANY OF YOU THE RIGHT TO COMMENT ON MY PERSONALITY, MY PROFESSION, OR MY STABILITY- BECAUSE TEXAS HALF WIT SUBMITTED A COUPLE EMAILS YOU CHILDREN ARE GOING TO JUDGE A 54 YEAR OLD PEDIATRICIAN WHOM YOU DO NOT KNOW?

I RESPECT THOSE OF YOU WHO MADE THE DISCUSSION ONE OF WHETHER OR NOT FEEDBACK SHOULD BE LEFT FIRST OR LAST BY BUYER OR SELLER AND THANK MY SUPPORTERS WHO KNOW WHAT HAPPENS WHEN SELLERS LEAVE FEEDBACK FIRST, THEY'VE BEEN BURNED TOO.
But to the idiots who attack me personally I say this, you have no right to say anything about my personality or stablility or to judge me. You do not know me and it is quite sad you have nothing more to do than sit at a computer for hours attacking someone who you do not even know.
I have a 99.4% pos feedback after 2500 transactions on ebay and you pick apart the 10 negs or a few negs that I left looser buyers and sellers and then make conclusions. Folks, every neg feedback I've gotten, all 11 of them in 6 years, were in retaliation after I left negative feedback because of a problem seller or buyer. I am glad to accept them in return. I say what must be said in feedbacks so that future buyers and sellers know what they are getting into. Too many of you are whimps and either don't leave feedback at all or leave positive feedbacks to avoid negs in retaliiation. Then you say the feedback system doesn't work. Of course it doesn't because you are too intimidated to tell the truth. Again I thank and respect the writers in this forum who took the issue of feedback timing and gave opinions. To those who felt they needed to go further and "analyze" the doctor or say horrible things about me personally, may you achieve in your lives what I have, and may you reach a level of contentment someday which allows you to not have to seek out others to detroy, especially when you have no facts. A few emails, some left feedbacks and an auction description does not give you any insight into a person's being. You take these few items and make assumptions and I feel sorry for how shallow and distraught you must be as people. May your lives improve. Myself, I will never look at these pages again, nor any other forums or responses. I've had my say
S

[v1rich]

I think you were pushing it with this

find it unprofessional to say that you will leave
feedback after I recieve the product and after I leave my feedback

Just get over it. Seller should leave feedback once the whole thing is done including being sure that the buyer is satisfied. I am currently waiting to see feedback from someone who tried to charge back on paypal the day after winning and paying because I was not going to ship their item until the weekend (I ship every Saturday morning). So we'll see when they leave the feedback. Now they seem ok with it but I am still waiting and if they do not leave feedback I won't either.

[Achika]

:frustrated:

Since the "discussion" will just deteriorate from here on out and it was going in circles in the first place >>>lock<<<