SNK fanboys are worse then anything

[ubersaurus]

So I'm in a debate with someone, because I mentioned that KOF 2002 was a much beter game, gameplaywise, then real Bout Special. I'm running off of the gameplay itself-2k2 is a more balanced game where many play styles can be used to win. RBS, though may be more fanboy friendly with the graphics and backgrounds, is a piece of trash. Kim dominates everyone, ridiculously damaging combos can be done rather easily, and the game, in general is broken. I'm using information from Japan, where they do play the hell out of these games, and know what ones are good, and what ones are bad.

So, what's the difference between these games? Aside from the aesthetics, one was made by the old SNK, and one by Playmore. And like everything playmore, that apparently makes 2k2 the great Satan. I've heard "SNK fans" rip on Samurai Shodown 5 and Special, even though they're two of the best games they ever published. They've ripped on Metal Slug 4 and 5, and I don't know why. They were both great games. And I am sick of it. I'm sick of those complete idiots not giving great games a chance just because of when they were made.

Just had to get that off my chest. But God, is it annoying.

[wisekrak]

In those situations, I usually remember my sig.


See below LOL

[Crush Crawfish]

I'm not too familar with most of those games, but I'd never discriminate against a game just because of when it was made. And why would anyone hate metal slug 4&5? Sure, I've only played metal slug 3, but if 4&5 are even half as good as that masterpiece, there's nothing to hate.

[-hellvin-]

I don't understand it either, it's stupid. Metal Slug 4 & 5, Samsho 5 ect. are all great games. If they're too stupid to realize the good gameplay vs the manufacturer name then let them miss out.

[Daria]

The thing about fanboys is they sacrafice the chance to have a lot of fun and play some really good games and all they get in return is some smug satisfaction that they get to be "right". So let them. It's their lose.

[chrisbid]

how do you bash a company that brought SNK back from the dead? are they offended that a 13 year old console is being retired for new hardware?

[Captain Wrong]

The thing about fanboys is they sacrafice the chance to have a lot of fun and play some really good games and all they get in return is some smug satisfaction that they get to be "right". So let them. It's their lose.

Damn right!

[Aussie2B]

Eh, it goes both ways. You seem to love to hate on every who doesn't worship Playmore. And you're really skewing the reality. The fact of the matter is that most SNK fans LIKE Playmore. I don't know where you're getting the idea that they don't. Hell, my boyfriend was a regular and big poster at the neo-geo.com forums, and he got banned for just stating his opinion, which was a few mildly negative comments about Playmore. So who's the fanboy there? Definitely not him. The fanboys are ALWAYS worse than the anti-fanboys.

Do you honestly believe that the Playmore games are 100%, without a doubt, excellent games as a fact? That's complete BS. It's all purely subjective. Are you saying that no one can have the opinion that one, some, or all of the Playmore games aren't very good? Do you think these opinions aren't valid? That the people who have such opinions are simply idiots? Gimme a break. You want to know why some people don't like some of the games? Then ask them. Sure, some of them are idiots, but there are an equal number of idiots from the crowd that does like Playmore. Talk to the intelligent people, and you get more than enough reasons to back up the opinion that so-and-so game isn't good.

Don't go assuming that these people aren't giving the games a chance. Does that apply to SOME people? Absolutely, but that also applies to Playmore lovers who trash the old SNK without ever playing them. I don't bother talking or hanging out with such fools. The mature players HAVE played the games and DID give them more than a chance. If they happened to just not like them, why do you feel that gives you the right to hate on them?

[Push Upstairs]

I don't think i have ever run into an SNK fanboy.


Question- How does one deal with a fanboy?

Answer - You don't.

[ubersaurus]

Eh, it goes both ways. You seem to love to hate on every who doesn't worship Playmore. And you're really skewing the reality. The fact of the matter is that most SNK fans LIKE Playmore. I don't know where you're getting the idea that they don't. Hell, my boyfriend was a regular and big poster at the neo-geo.com forums, and he got banned for just stating his opinion, which was a few mildly negative comments about Playmore. So who's the fanboy there? Definitely not him. The fanboys are ALWAYS worse than the anti-fanboys.

Do you honestly believe that the Playmore games are 100%, without a doubt, excellent games as a fact? That's complete BS. It's all purely subjective. Are you saying that no one can have the opinion that one, some, or all of the Playmore games aren't very good? Do you think these opinions aren't valid? That the people who have such opinions are simply idiots? Gimme a break. You want to know why some people don't like some of the games? Then ask them. Sure, some of them are idiots, but there are an equal number of idiots from the crowd that does like Playmore. Talk to the intelligent people, and you get more than enough reasons to back up the opinion that so-and-so game isn't good.

Don't go assuming that these people aren't giving the games a chance. Does that apply to SOME people? Absolutely, but that also applies to Playmore lovers who trash the old SNK without ever playing them. I don't bother talking or hanging out with such fools. The mature players HAVE played the games and DID give them more than a chance. If they happened to just not like them, why do you feel that gives you the right to hate on them?

That's funny, because the main reason I stay away from the Neo Geo community is because of elitism like that. That Playmore's games suck. I know they've made some bad ones...Rage of the Dragons, KOF 2001, SvC, and to a lesser extent, 2k3 were all less then stellar.

Opinions that are based on fallecious statements are moot. I learn about these games, fighters in this case. I learn how good or bad they are, and why. I know plenty of other people who are the same way, so its not like I don't have anything to back it up with. But I've seen alot more people hate on Playmore's works just because they're playmore, then I've ever seen hate on SNK's stuff, good OR bad. It's BS.

They can not like them all they want, I'm not disputing their right to hate a game. But I dispute their right to hate a game without giving it a fair shake. Simply saying "the backgrounds and music were trash" is ignoring the most important thing, and thats the game itself. That's not hating-thats just being prejudice.

[AB Positive]

Awww... I love 2k3, and I'm not a big fan of 2k2...


But yeah, the Neo Elite really gets on me too, and I've tried but I myself am done with n-g.com save for the occasional check to see if someone's buying AES cheap ;)

that site, and the community on the whole, thrives on drama and conflict, and it sucks.

-AG

[Aussie2B]

That's funny, because the main reason I stay away from the Neo Geo community is because of elitism like that. That Playmore's games suck. I know they've made some bad ones...Rage of the Dragons, KOF 2001, SvC, and to a lesser extent, 2k3 were all less then stellar.

Thinking Playmore games suck is elitism? Some people try to prove how "hardcore" they are by trash-talking something they feel is "mainstream", but such people are in the minority. Even if it was true that the majority of SNK fans didn't like Playmore, it wouldn't mean that they're being idiots or "elitist". That would be like calling someone elitist or an idiot for not liking Mario Sunshine and thinking Super Mario World is better. It's all just opinions.


Opinions that are based on fallecious statements are moot. I learn about these games, fighters in this case. I learn how good or bad they are, and why.

That's completely impossible. Games are not facts, and they're not text books. The mainstream saying a game is good doesn't make it a fact, nor does playing a game and thinking to yourself that it's good make it a fact (a fact to you, yes, but not a fact that you can write in a book and share to the world as the absolute truth). What are all these fallecious statements? "That background is green" when it's actually blue, "Kyo is good friends with Iori", "Chang fights with a beach ball"? Those are truly false statements. Saying "this game has more depth than that game", "this game plays better than that game", "this game has bad graphics and animation", "this music sucks", "this game is more balanced than that game", "this game is rehashed", etc., etc. are all opinions, no matter how much you or the mainstream may disagree.

[Kroogah]

Save the drama for your neo-geo.com-uh, people.

[Ed Oscuro]

I think we can all agree on one thing: it's sad that Shawn is (was?) this country's official distributor for Neo Geo titles. Sad!

[ubersaurus]

Game balance is fact. Characters will always be better then others in a particular game engine, hence the existence of tiers. The amount of space between those tiers is balance, and playing a fighter with other good players will show just how wide those spaces are. Characters have counter characters. Strats get counter strats. a bad fighting game will have lack one and/or the other for at least one character. Thats fact. When you refuse to acknoledge these facts, then you = wrong. I've heard plenty of people insult sam sho 5's gameplay without even touching it. To someone like me, who has played it alot, gotten into the game, and know that it IS well made, and that these "overpowered tactics" can be beat if you just spend 10 minutes to learn how, that's insulting.

SNK game players >>>>> n-g goers.

[Geddon_jt]

Just wanted to comment on this interesting thread. I know exactly what you guys are talking about - I've been a mod at ng.com since it went up in 2000, and the attitudes and people there do occasionally drive me mad. This site (DP) really appealed to me because, in comparison, the people here act like a bunch of nuns. (Or conversely, it makes the people at ng.com look like a bunch of lunatics). I enjoy the more civil atmosphere at this site, as well as excellent cross-system coverage.

Really though, as far as the playmore thing goes, it is all just a matter of opinion. For Neo fans who have been around a LONG time, some people get that feeling like things weren't as good as they were "back in the glory days" when, say, Garou came out in 2000. Some of SNK's last titles before folding were arguably the best games on the system. Personally, I really like a LOT of Playmore's games, especially Sams5 and KOF 2k3 (which, in my mind, is the perfect end to the series on the Neo).

My main view is that Neo fans (especially AES folks) are lucky to have gotten ANYTHING after the year 2000. Thanks to a few dedicated people we got some 12 releases after KOF 2000 which was GOING to be the end.

[maxlords]

Personally, I have no issues with SNK. I buy Neo games whenever I can, and I'm glad for ANY of em. Hell I just got Burning Fight and I really like THAT :D I'm sure I'll like Metal Slug 4 and 5 too. However, I HAVE heard that Metal Slug 4 is fairly weak IN COMPARISON with other titles in the series (i.e. 3 and X). I haven't played 4 yet so I don't know, but I'm not expecting as much from it. I currently have Slug 1 and 3 and I really like both of em.

As for "teh drama", well, I think it's funny. I don't mind it and it doesn't make me mad, cause frankly, I can get up from the PC and go play my Neo Geo. That's way more fun :D

And for the Neo Store (yes, Shawn is still the last official US distributor), they've always done right by me and I have no issues with em. Prices are high of course, but nonetheless, I've always gotten exactly what I paid for and always something extra on top too. I have no problems with any of this stuff. Apparently I'm the only one :)

[Geddon_jt]

I think we can all agree on one thing: it's sad that Shawn is (was?) this country's official distributor for Neo Geo titles. Sad!

Hmm, I don't agree with that. At all. And I don't think anyone who has been an AES fan in the last 5 years would either.

The fact is - and this is a FACT - English home carts (and in my opinion, home carts period) would have ended at Garou if Shawn weren't around. Apple Industries was made US distributor around this time and was NOT going to get involved in the domestic game market. SNK demanded full payment up front for the english Slug 3 release of 500 copies (at around $200 cost per piece - you do the math) if it was going to produce it, and Shawn was the only one capable of stepping up to the plate.

His services are top notch, he is 100% reliable and he has single-handedly maintained the English home cart market for the past 3 years. These games would not have come out if it weren't for him, period.

[AB Positive]

Ed's talking about the fact that Shawn seems to have gone rather xenophobic and suspicious of people in recent times. He did great things for the community, now he's being a detriment in my mind. I refuse to deal with him or the majority of his site but I've already said my piece at n-g.com and it doesn't need to be brought up again here.


And in my first post, that should be "selling" not "buying". I suck.


-AG

[omnedon]

And for the Neo Store (yes, Shawn is still the last official US distributor), they've always done right by me and I have no issues with em. Prices are high of course, but nonetheless, I've always gotten exactly what I paid for and always something extra on top too. I have no problems with any of this stuff. Apparently I'm the only one

Not the only one. :) Nice, professional set up. Not cheap, but hey, when you are dropping the kind of coin you drop on Neo stuff, trustworthy professionalism goes a long long way.

The ugliness behind AdamG's having left ng.com is an example of the drama over there, and some (in my opinion misplaced) of the bad feelings towards Shawn. If anybody tried to use my business premises or website to solicit business for themselves and undercut my pre-order business for their own gain, I would put a FINAL end to it as well. That is plain and simple poor judgement in my opinion.

Being reasonably new to the Neo scene, and as prejudice free as a newborn because of it, I just ignore most of the drama. My 'ignore' list over there is growing. LOL I like good games! that's it!

Fanboy's can wallow in their crapulence. LOL

[ClubNinja]

Oh god... TEH DR4M4... it's spilling over... following me....

*Ahem*

The entire "original SNK" vs Playmore garbage is exactly that - garbage. Who cares what moron wants to bash what game just because the Playmore label is on it? Everyone's opinion is going to be different. Some people like KoF games and hate Samurai Shodown. Others think KoF is crap and Sam Sho is the greatest anything ever. Personally, I love both and see them as two totally different experiences. Hell, I even like Rage of the Dragons, which was mentioned by ubersaurus (who is ultimately defending Playmore) as one of the lousy Playmore games. Totally subjective.

Here's something to think about. I can't name any truly *bad* Playmore games, but could compile a list of SNK Neo games that I think suck the big one. Granted, they're mostly from early on in the system's history, I still think they're crappy games. If that makes me a bad Neo Geo fan, then shucks, I'll turn in my carts today. Screw it.

In the end, just play the games *you* like and stop reading the damn n-g.com forums. I stopped long ago, save for the occasional browse and regular skimming of the Market forums. It's very refreshing. Now, I can go play some of my favorites - Samurai Shodown V, King of Fighters whatever, and Rage of the Dragons - without having to listen to someone tell me how "broken" they are.

As for the NeoStore - I just don't deal with the place. Shawn may be a hero to the US AES scene, but for a strictly MVS gamer, his prices are beaten (even slaughtered) elsewhere.

[Escape•From•Jenny•Island]

I really have nothing against Playmore. They have done pretty good with their SNK properties. Samurai Shodown 5, Metal Slug 5, and especially KOF 2003 (which is easilly my favorite fighting game ever) are extremely good games.

But that doesn't mean I like them branching out. KOF: MI, and all of their combo packs... KOF: MI especially is burning a good portion of my SNK love. HNG64 is one of their biggest failures yet they still try to bring themselves in to the 3D realm where odviously they are lacking in... ability. Annother would be KOF on N-Gage. I mean N-Gage is the system to turn to when you are A) totally broken and in desperate need of money (SEGA) or B) You are the best example of a third party company that puts out on all systems equally (Ubi-Soft) not SNK as many of you mentioned it is basically the "Hardcore" or "Elite" company with equally "Hardcore" or "Elite" fanboys who would like to see nothing else but SNK either succeed or die dignity intact, ...and Im just going on an on and on arent I? well...

Look at Metal Slug Advance. They are going all out with that game, even making use of Nintendo's E-Reader accessory. This is the SNK-Playmore that we need.

[omnedon]

I haven't played KOF:MI yet! I want to try it and then decide. I really like the 3D VF4:EVO. If we can have that, KOF'fied and SNK flavoured, it might ber good.

Or it may suck. No company is perfect! Good, bad, vote with your cash! :)

[ubersaurus]

Oh god... TEH DR4M4... it's spilling over... following me....




You will never escape! BWAHAHAHAA!!!

If it makes you feel better, I actually do like playing Rage of the Dragons too :P Pupa, Lynn, and Jones rock. Hell I have a friend who LOVES to play SNK vs Capcom.

All it took was one day-not even signing up on the boards- for me to say, I'm never going to n-g's forums.

[Ed Oscuro]

His services are top notch, he is 100% reliable and he has single-handedly maintained the English home cart market for the past 3 years. These games would not have come out if it weren't for him, period.
I agree with that up to the "services are top notch" bit. Yes, his services are top notch, as long as you don't count the community! Conflicting interests run the show when you try to run a business and a good community site at the same time. He's let competitors conduct business in his forums.

It is very telling for somebody who is focused on being the "good guy" of the community to complain when people take advantage of bulk sales which cut his profits. Some of the folks buying into this deal, as the fellow organizing the bulk sale argues, wouldn't be able to afford the merchandise otherwise, but the real issue is that Shawn let this happen in the first place. If one is going to allow people to set up bulk orders through you - instead of telling them they simply can't do that on your site - is silly if you're not going to be happy with it. Then he let the bulk purchase topic hang around for days instead of immediately closing it and changing his rules. It's his site and it's his fault he wasn't clear about what he can allow and what he can't.

Add in his girlfriend coming in to make inflammatory and unnecessary comments and you've got fun for the whole family.

I don't doubt he's an alright person (flashes of temper now and then belie his true nature, I'm sure), but if I was on the other side of the Pacific working at SNK I would've looked into cutting him adrift after the business with the destruction of original inserts and their replacement with redesigned, NGF labeled inserts. I couldn't imagine a dealership taking all the Ford insignia off a car and reprinting all the promotional materials with something in place of Ford - which is rather like what Shawn's outfit was doing. They had access to too much stuff and the head offices didn't smack him down like they should've. It would've been much better had the company exerted more control over what he did. I don't argue that Neo Geo Freak's work on inserts looks lousy - it's just not legal and it's shameful to bring SNK's failings in the American market into the spotlight in such a disrespectful fashion.

Ironic that a company which makes such high quality software would be restrained by high costs to be forever doing things on a shoestring budget and forced to work with nutcases (and some much worse than Shawn, apparently).

[omnedon]

I think I wanna stay a newb. LOL

[RyoGeo]

Speaking as one of the moderators of the peanut gallery (n-g.com), I can tell you that I do not understand the Playmore hate either. I think that, given the circumstances, Playmore has done an admirable job of keeping the licenses alive. Some of the titles have not been up to snuff (MS4 comes to mind. I don't hate it, but it is certainly the low point of the series in terms of play design), but the platform was kept alive and some decent titles still made it to market, generating some MUCH needed revenue. A LOT of people (on most boards, for that matter) don't seem to understand the ramifications of running a business venture. Oh well. The internet is full of people that know how it is, right? LOL

Anyway, to Ed Oscuro, I think you may be confusing Shawn and how he regards NGF. To be clear, Shawn is absolutely anti-NGF. Shawn has not and never will destroy original inserts in order to replace them with Chris and Dion's garbage.

I am thinking you may be confusing the "Classic Style" inserts that Shawn had commissioned. Those inserts were sanctioned by, made by and shipped directly to Shawn by SNK: Playmore themselves. They are totally and utterly legit.

Also, if any of this sounds confrontery, please excuse it to the limited ability of text to convey a pure thought. I'm not attacking you in any way, even though the written word may sound like I am. I just thought to correct what I thought to be a misconception on your part in terms of the inserts and carts Shawn offers.

Back to the fanbois, they drive me nutz too . . . and I live at n-g. @_@

[Geddon_jt]

His services are top notch, he is 100% reliable and he has single-handedly maintained the English home cart market for the past 3 years. These games would not have come out if it weren't for him, period.
I agree with that up to the "services are top notch" bit. Yes, his services are top notch, as long as you don't count the community! Conflicting interests run the show when you try to run a business and a good community site at the same time. He's let competitors conduct business in his forums.

It is very telling for somebody who is focused on being the "good guy" of the community to complain when people take advantage of bulk sales which cut his profits. Some of the folks buying into this deal, as the fellow organizing the bulk sale argues, wouldn't be able to afford the merchandise otherwise, but the real issue is that Shawn let this happen in the first place. If one is going to allow people to set up bulk orders through you - instead of telling them they simply can't do that on your site - is silly if you're not going to be happy with it. Then he let the bulk purchase topic hang around for days instead of immediately closing it and changing his rules. It's his site and it's his fault he wasn't clear about what he can allow and what he can't.

Add in his girlfriend coming in to make inflammatory and unnecessary comments and you've got fun for the whole family.

I don't doubt he's an alright person (flashes of temper now and then belie his true nature, I'm sure), but if I was on the other side of the Pacific working at SNK I would've looked into cutting him adrift after the business with the destruction of original inserts and their replacement with redesigned, NGF labeled inserts. I couldn't imagine a dealership taking all the Ford insignia off a car and reprinting all the promotional materials with something in place of Ford - which is rather like what Shawn's outfit was doing. They had access to too much stuff and the head offices didn't smack him down like they should've. It would've been much better had the company exerted more control over what he did. I don't argue that Neo Geo Freak's work on inserts looks lousy - it's just not legal and it's shameful to bring SNK's failings in the American market into the spotlight in such a disrespectful fashion.

Ironic that a company which makes such high quality software would be restrained by high costs to be forever doing things on a shoestring budget and forced to work with nutcases (and some much worse than Shawn, apparently).

Allow me to clarify and make some final points.
I promise this will be my last post in this thread, just to prevent instigating debate and out of respect for the "sanctity" of this site. :)

Regarding the bulk order deal.
Orders over 6 carts require email solicitation. It says so right on the preorder page. Additionally, Shawn claims to have told the person in question, both over the phone and in PERSON, that he would not allow more bulk orders in the fashion that he allowed this individual in the case of metal Slug 5. I personally require no explanation on his end, as he foots the bill for his forums (a pretty penny) and can run it how he pleases. However, in my mind, his actions were more than justified, although this is just my viewpoint.

You know, its tough to run a forum with thousands of members and keep everyone happy. I know the majority of people over there think it is a great resource, though.

With regards to the insert debacle, comments like yours are one reason why it is so important to document one way or another the history of these systems (I mean that in the best way, please don't take offense). It's true, there have been MANY misfortunes in the history of the Neo systems. Neogeofreak (NGF) and their laser-printed "corrected" inserts have absolutely nothing to do with Shawn or www.neo-geo.com. About 4 years ago, NGF would sell these inserts WITHOUT their URLs on them and claim they were exclusive ultra-rare "european versions." Similarly, they would make english inserts for games that never had an english release and try and sell them at outrageous prices. Only when their lies were debunked did they even START to include their urls on the inserts, which made their lack of authenticity apparent. Luckily for the Neo community, NGF is no longer a major player and most of their stock has been bought up so they don't have many more carts to destroy.

Now - to put Shawn's inserts in perspective. Because every english Neo cart run since Metal Slug 3 has required FULL payment up front/pre-production, he has had certain leverage to make requests for how the inserts should be designed. These requests are simple - original logo and meg counts on the spine, as well as correct genre stripe (blue for the slug titles). After screwing up slug 4 (red stripe, generic spine), ROTD (generic spine text), Slug 5 (generic spine text, red stripe) and even the newest title KOF 2k3 (no meg count), Playmore never once gave Shawn the opportunity at any point to request corrections to the insert design once they were submitted to him. You would think a company that screwed up so consistently would offer him free replacements. No deal. Or maybe sell them at a reasonable price? No. Instead, Playmore charged an outrageous sum for inserts that SHOULD have been issued right the first time, and required him to sell them only with new cartridges (no individual sale), lest his right to future dealings been pulled out from under him. So what we have now are inserts that you have to pay a lot of money for to get, but at least the old ones aren't being destroyed, and they are totally SNK Playmore legitimately produced. (As RyoGeo said).

Situations like this are typical of Playmore. They often act very unfairly and dealing with them requires MASSIVE capital investment and patience. 50 years down the road we will have all forgotten about Neo-geo.com and the way the forums are run, but the games will remain, and its thanks to him we have had english home carts the past few years.

[Ed Oscuro]

I'm deeply sorry for having confused Dion and Shawn :x (I don't know where that confusion came from, but I'll make certain to rewrite my engrams). That would also invalidate my comment about "flashes of temper" - that's Dion, no mistake about it. Thanks for the corrections and clarification.

That said, I like JGN's prices on old merchandise a bit better ;) Amusing how he started sending all of us email, at that.

It's quite obvious he (aka rimm_rs for anybody else following this) has been milking this uncertainty for all it's worth. Nobody will try to do it again, but the fact remains that there are a group of folks who didn't think that was very obvious from the first. Running N-G.com along with the business will be trouble, but apparently most of that conflict stems from people trying to break the rules for their own gain.

One last thing about "sanctity of this site" - well, if you ever follow around my posts you'll notice that I tend to stir up trouble all the time. I'm willing to accept the consequences for that. I wouldn't want this forum to be bogged down because I'm being retarded, though; this place is much bigger than any one of us. So - welcome to the forums!

[Jive3D]

neo-geo is an awesome system and snk made some highly decent stuff. When I got my neo-geo, I started to spend some time over at neo-geo.com and because of the attitude over there, I no longer go to the site at all, hell I stopped playing neo-geo too, but that's only b/c I dont have enough time and the ps2, gc & dc come first for me. wow that last line will surely piss off some fanboys and since I wont read this thread anymore, i dont care! ha ha!

[dmhawkmoon]

Eh, it goes both ways. You seem to love to hate on every who doesn't worship Playmore. And you're really skewing the reality. The fact of the matter is that most SNK fans LIKE Playmore. I don't know where you're getting the idea that they don't. Hell, my boyfriend was a regular and big poster at the neo-geo.com forums, and he got banned for just stating his opinion, which was a few mildly negative comments about Playmore. So who's the fanboy there? Definitely not him. The fanboys are ALWAYS worse than the anti-fanboys.

Your boyfriend counldn't have gotten banned for that. There's almost no one on the Neo-Geo boards who doesn't say bad things about Playmore sometimes. The most respected members of that forum are all hardcore Playmore doubters.

Back to the original comments: Almost every SNK or Neo-Geo fan likes at least a few post-SNK games. Generalizing is often a very bad thing.

As for the bad things being said about the forum... It's certainly not everyone, but a lot of bad blood comes from people who are failing to understand the scene. The board is not friendly to rom discussion. (come on, the guy funding the site makes his living selling Neo-Geo games from all eras) if you break a rule, you'll be informed about it. Most people can't handle that much. We get at least one new guy per month who makes a big fuss because no one will answer a question he posted in the wrong forum or about something that's contained in the Neo Glossary. Also, a lot of it is just in good fun. Half the people flaming are just having some fun and not taking it seriously. And you can find a lot of good discussion just like you can find on here. If you don't want drama, don't click on the threads containing drama. They're quite easy to spot.