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Necrosaro420

08-04-2004, 08:39 PM

What kind of frame rate are you guys getting on Doom3? With the FX5900 Ultra 256mb I am getting 24.3 with the video card overclocked only 15mhz core and 25 mem.

Pentium 4 3.0ghz 800fsb
1gb Ram
7200rpm HDD IDE
Audigy2 Sound

I have not yet tried it on my AMD64 3200+ CPU/9800XT. Ill post that after I format, that machines having problems like taking 5+ minutes to login to windows after I click my name =P

If ya dont know how to check it, load up the game, and at the menu hit control/alt/~ key and type in timedemo demo1 (or its testdemo demo1) in the console, let it run and itll run its thing, itll take a few minutes to run and itll give you the score.

D_N_G

08-04-2004, 08:58 PM

6800 GT
Audigy 2 ZS
1 GB RAM CL2-3-3-6
Athlon 3200+ 64 2.2 GHZ
10Krpm 74GB WD

No Overclocking

Ran the demo using 2 different Resolutions on all 4 Quality Settings:

800X600

Low: 84.1 FPS
Medium: 80.7 FPS
High: 77.2 FPS
Ultra: 71.0 FPS

1600X1200

Low: 63.6 FPS
Medium: 62.7 FPS
High: 52.6 FPS
Ultra: 50.2 FPS

Necrosaro420

08-04-2004, 08:59 PM

Ahh, Guess I should have thrown in that i was running it at 1280 on Ultra Quality lol

Necrosaro420

08-04-2004, 09:07 PM

What version of Windows is that on BTW? Im debating on installing the 64bit extended XP beta with 64 bit drivers on the AMD to see if that will do anything more

D_N_G

08-04-2004, 09:18 PM

XP Pro 32 bit w/ SP2 beta

Necrosaro420

08-04-2004, 09:32 PM

I belive you, not saying your lying, but I dont see how you got THAT big of a jump over me with comparable systems lol. Was you using the FULL Version of doom 3 ?

fahrvergnugen

08-05-2004, 12:12 AM

Here's a couple of no $$ required tweaks that will really help your game run smoother:

Open up %DOOM%\base\DoomConfig.cfg in notepad. Change the line "seta image_cacheMegs" to a larger number than the default. If you've got 512MB RAM, go for 128. If you've got a gig, go for 256 or 384. I didn't notice much jump going over 384 to 512.
In the %DOOM%\base\ folder, there are 6 files with a .pk4 extension. These 6 files are Doom 3. Back them up, then unpack them using winRAR into the base folder, deleting the .pk4 files as you finish unpacking them. When you're done you should have hundreds of files in your base folder, and no .pk4 files. Fire up the game, and you'll find that not only does the game start much more quickly, but any stutter you may have previously noticed when moving through doors into a new area will vanish.

My specs:
Athlon XP 1800
Radeon 9600XT
1Gig RAM

I think the gig of RAM really helps a lot.

-hellvin-

08-05-2004, 01:17 AM

thanks for the tip fahv, helped out those door freezes A LOT.

D_N_G

08-05-2004, 06:16 AM

Tried a few tweaks. Also unpacked the pk4 files. (you can ename these to .zip, you dont have to use winrar). With the pk4 files uncompressed, you dont really get a FPS jump just faster loading on larger textures and doorways.

My numbers above were way off, too low. After reading a few forums. You are supposed to run the time demo twice. The first time it is caching textures and you get pauses during the run. The second time the textures are easily accessible, and it gives you a smooth run and a true benchmark.

I ran through the tweaks one at a time and tried the demo after each change:

800X600 Ultra Quality:

No Tweaks- 88.4 FPS
Tweaks- 89.3 FPS

1280X1024 Ultra Quality:

No Tweaks - 82.3 FPS
Tweaks - 85.3

1600X1200 Ultra Quality:

No Tweaks - 56.9 FPS
Tweaks - 57.7

Not much of a performance gain on my system. (The tweaks FPS #s are from the best numbers that I got during the tests)

Tweaks:

Downsize Limit:

Set the downsize limit to 1/3 to 1/2 you physical memory. I tried 384 and 512. Example:

Original
seta image_downSizeLimit "256"

Tweak
seta image_downSizeLimit "512"

Downsize:

Original
seta image_downSize "0"

Tweak
seta image_downSize "1"

Bump Limit:

I also tried the bump limit setting with 384 and 512. You have to set the downsize bump to 1 in order to turn this setting on.

Original
seta image_downSizeBumpLimit "256"
seta image_downSizeBump "1"

Tweak
seta image_downSizeBumpLimit "512"
seta image_downSizeBump "1"

Cache Megs:

The cache megs is the same way. If you set the variable, it doesnt actually do anything unless you turn the use cache option on. Then you also have to tweak the cache mink, or else the game will crash. So if you just change the cache megs to 384 and you dont turn it on you wont see any increase. I tried 384 and 512. Example:

Original
seta image_useCache "0"
seta image_cacheMegs "20"
seta image_cacheMinK "200"

Tweak
seta image_useCache "1"
seta image_cacheMegs "512"
seta image_cacheMinK "10240"

Heres a link with more info: http://www.viperlair.com/articles/howto/software/tweakd3/

Remember dont set the numbers unless they match for your system. Depending on how much RAM, Video RAM, Processor speed you have, you have to tweak accordingly.

alexkidd2000

08-07-2004, 07:55 AM

Man at 640x480 I get like 10fps. My system is Athlon xp 2400, 512mb pc 133 sdram, 64mb mx440 video. I know its not high end, but I thought i could at least play it on my system.

wberdan

08-07-2004, 09:49 AM

this is the system im ognna run doom3 on- should be here in about two weeks-
first computer ive bought in quite a few years. i also use the computer for photo and audio editing, not just doom3. hahaha

Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor w/ HT Technology Extreme Edition 3.4GHz 2MB Cache
2GB Dual Channel DDR2 PC-4300 SDRAM at 533MHz - 2 x 1024MB
NVIDIA® GeForce™ Ultra 6800 PCI Express 256MB DDR3
Serial ATA RAID 0 - 73.4GB (36.7GB x 2) Raptor10,000 RPM w/16MB Cache

willie

Pedro Lambrini

08-07-2004, 10:06 AM

Man at 640x480 I get like 10fps. My system is Athlon xp 2400, 512mb pc 133 sdram, 64mb mx440 video. I know its not high end, but I thought i could at least play it on my system.

It's definitely you vid card that's really letting you down I think. It's STILL not released over here but I have messed around with a dodgy copy and I would say you card is the weakest component there :)

D_N_G

08-07-2004, 11:25 AM

willie, it will look "AMAZIN" on that system ;)

kai123

08-07-2004, 12:09 PM

I read that if you overclock your video card it may have a different effect on this game. That came straight from Id.

Cmosfm

08-07-2004, 12:24 PM

OK, I just bought a copy from eBay (one of those "no box or manual - factory sealed english version from Thailand" copies) because I really really wanted the game but was NOT paying 54.99. Sue me.

Anyways, here's my specs, how do you think it'll run on my system...

ATI Radeon Mobility 9700 - 64 MB
Pentium 4 CPU 2.80 GHz - HT Technology
512 MB Ram

I can run most games perfectly, Vice City - perfect, Midnight Club 2 - perfect...but Doom 3 seems to be a bit advanced. So yeah, what do you think?

kai123

08-07-2004, 01:11 PM

You should have just bought the game at Circuit City they have it for $45. I don't think I could ever pay for a pirated anything. If it is pirated of course. ;)

Cmosfm

08-07-2004, 01:19 PM

You should have just bought the game at Circuit City they have it for $45. I don't think I could ever pay for a pirated anything. If it is pirated of course. ;)

Thing is, I've read over feedback and it's nearly perfect (98.9% - 3000 transactions) and a I've seen lots of people mention it's not pirated, just a Thailand version. I'm usually really picky about what I buy, I won't buy pirated games, but if I can get an imported English version cheap I'll go for it. Sorta like the Asian X-Files DVD set's I've been buying for 22.00 a season. ;) Then again, maybe you guys know something I don't about Thai games. 45.00 at CC eh? Not bad, too late now, but oh well.

So how do you think it would play on my system?

The_EniGma

08-07-2004, 04:35 PM

0fps cuz my pc sux too much to play doom3 :( :embarrassed:

goatdan

08-07-2004, 05:16 PM

Mr.FoodMonster

08-07-2004, 05:26 PM

When I was unpacking all those folders, there were a few times that I got 'overwrite?' things. Some of them were diffent KB and dates, and I just want to make sure that wont screw anything up? worst comes to worst, I backed it all up and can just leave it how it was.

Cmosfm

08-07-2004, 05:27 PM

Anyways, here's my specs, how do you think it'll run on my system...

ATI Radeon Mobility 9700 - 64 MB
Pentium 4 CPU 2.80 GHz - HT Technology
512 MB Ram

What laptop do you have by chance? My Dell Inspiron 9100 with the exact same specs gets about 45 FPS at low resolution, and 30 at mid-ranges. It is definitely playable.

Dell Inspiron 9100 baby! It's great isn't it!

45 FPS on Low, 30 at Mid, hmmm, that sounds good! Another quick question for you Goatdan. What resolution are you using? I know I've had a lot of trouble getting some games to run full widescreen on this machine (Moh: Allied Assault & Simpsons Hit & Run mainly)...how about Doom 3? How's the overall experience on the 9100?

goatdan

08-07-2004, 05:44 PM

Dell Inspiron 9100 baby! It's great isn't it!

45 FPS on Low, 30 at Mid, hmmm, that sounds good! Another quick question for you Goatdan. What resolution are you using? I know I've had a lot of trouble getting some games to run full widescreen on this machine (Moh: Allied Assault & Simpsons Hit & Run mainly)...how about Doom 3? How's the overall experience on the 9100?

There are no problems with the widescreen format, and everything looks great. I'm going to sit down with it more soon and I'll have more to report after that :)

Mr.FoodMonster

08-07-2004, 06:07 PM

Also, should I unpack them into folders? I guess that would make more sense now that I think about it...

kai123

08-07-2004, 06:19 PM

Also, should I unpack them into folders? I guess that would make more sense now that I think about it...

Just do what the instructions say. I over wrote everything and it helped alot.

Mr.FoodMonster

08-07-2004, 06:22 PM

Well, I ask this because when I unpacked everything not into folders, it decided that it didn't want to run. So that was a problem. I put it back to original form, and it boots up just fine.

maxlords

08-07-2004, 08:33 PM

Anyone else getting weird graphics with this game? For example, all the reaserchers' faces in the first levels are blacked out on my copy, even when I shine a flashlight on em. And the detail levels are fairly low, even with my settings on high. It's very odd IMO. Any ideas?

Edit:

Turns out I was playing the game WITH NO TEXTURES AT ALL! I hadn't updated the drivers for my video card and it was running all the objects with ZERO texture. Let me tell you....not so exciting! I installed the new Catalyst drivers for my video card and it's like a sparkly new world. This game is amazing :) Yay!

Philip Acree

08-15-2004, 10:18 PM

D_N_G

08-16-2004, 12:45 AM

Actually you are right, if i do some more tweaks is should have been higher, thanks for pointing that out.

i just ran a demo in 800X600 low without bump mapping , specular lights or high quality effects and i got 109.2 fps in 19.7 secs.

http://pic16.picturetrail.com/VOL687/2519097/4995547/63532426.jpg

Maybe you should learn about the current pc hardware market before calling someone out?

D_N_G

08-16-2004, 12:58 AM

Now I understand why you find it hard to believe, this explains it all...

The last several PC's I have purchased have been Compaq's. They have been really well for me.

Usually buying top of the line quality parts and building your own pcs will net better results than pre-built, mass produced machines.

Philip Acree

08-16-2004, 02:07 AM

kai123

08-16-2004, 05:49 AM

Maybe you should learn about the current pc hardware market before calling someone out?

Maybe im MCSE? And quote the right person, I dont buy compaq's =P. And i see no way possible to get that. I run 2 systems, both damn near top of the line components (was top when I built them) and the best I can get is 28.7fps. Thats on AMD64, radeon 9800XT 256mb with a gig of ram, 146 10krpm HDD, with minimal process's running and no programs loaded, with those tweaks. I get 7k+ with 3dmark03.

http://www2.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjQyLDI=

Check that site they have a machine that is getting 68 fps at 1600x1200. So I think it would be entirely possible for him to get that high a fps. MCSE doesn't mean you know everything. Do a little research next time. Just because your machine doesn't get that high a fps doesn't mean someone elses won't.

D_N_G

08-16-2004, 08:01 AM

11,000 3dmark 2k3
23,000 3dmark 2k1
57,000 Aquamark 03

with my setup no overclocking

Corsair XMS PC3200 C2 Pro 1GB
PNY 6800 GT 256 MB GeForce 6
WD Raptor 74 GB 10,000 RPM HD
MSI K8N Neo Platinum Mobo
AMD 64 3200+ 2.2 GHZ Newcastle

mcse = microsoft not hardware, im an mcse too

The current Nvidia cards walk all over the current and previous generation of ATIs in Doom FPS

I find it VERY VERY VERY hard to believe someone is running this config:

Maybe im MCSE? And quote the right person, I dont buy compaq's =P. And i see no way possible to get that. I run 2 systems, both damn near top of the line components (was top when I built them) and the best I can get is 28.7fps. Thats on AMD64, radeon 9800XT 256mb with a gig of ram, 146 10krpm HDD, with minimal process's running and no programs loaded, with those tweaks. I get 7k+ with 3dmark03.

when they posted this less than a month ago (yes it was your quote and you cant build your own compaq):

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=369321&highlight=#369321

pwnt