I just got a second chance offer on NWC cart from ebay [Archive] - Page 2

Predatorxs

09-02-2004, 11:42 AM

If you have the tracking number, go here *Royal mail track and trace (http://www.royalmail.com/portal/rm/track;jsessionid=ULF4T4LRCQRDSCRAZRZUNZQKEDGF0Q2K? catId=400145&emt=emt&track=track&default=default&gear=track)* and see if you can find out anything else.

Also once (or if) you have the tracking number you can also email them with your questions or ask for help in the situation, if i was sending somthing like the NWC cart i would have insured it for it's full worth!! ;)

:vamp:..XS

Vroomfunkel

09-02-2004, 01:28 PM

Over-insuring an item:

Usually you purchase insurance in brackets - i.e. a package can be insured up to �30, from �30 - �100, from �100 - �500 etc, with each respective bracket costing more to insure. You pay for insurance "up to" the maximum amount. If you want to make a claim, then you still need to give evidence of the value of the item.

This in itself is not a problem, since the declared value of the item is not necessarily related to the insurance purchased for it. I could buy insurance "up to �500" for a package with a pea in it. It doesn't make the pea worth more ... it just makes me an idiot.

The problem in my case was that the seller had purchased the extra insurance and placed a value of $800 on the customs declaration. Again, this is just stupidity. If anything had happened to the package, I would still have had to provide evidence that the contents were worth $800 to be able to claim that much. The only conceivable way would be to produce the original receipts for it all, and that would probably be rejected.

As for declaring a low value, and insuring for a much higher value .. this seems a little odd. One would have thought this would be an invitation to customs officials to open your package, check the contents and then bust you for tax evasion. Not to mention that if you do need to make a claim at some point, and the insurance company asks to see the original packaging (which they certainly will for a high value claim) then they will be entirely within their rights to only pay out for the declared value, since you have signed your name to the fact that this is what the contents are worth.

Vroomfunkel

Predatorxs

09-02-2004, 04:24 PM

But they need a very, very good, reason to open your parcel / package.

:vamp:..XS

d4s

09-02-2004, 05:01 PM

Buyatari

09-03-2004, 12:12 AM

This whole deal keeps reminding me of the time I let a friend take the front seat while I sat in the back on the way to Columbus for an arcade auction.

We got pulled over and they (driver and front passager) both got seat belt tickets.

Adam

Predatorxs

09-04-2004, 04:47 AM

But they need a very, very good, reason to open your parcel / package.

:vamp:..XS

dunno about uk/us, but thats common practice at germanys tax departments.(or how would you translate Zoll? ;)
out of 5 parcels i receive from overseas, 1 gets opened usually.

Those crazy German tax bitchs! O_O

:vamp:..XS ( Final thought : Leave my fu#kin package alone, and don't touch my mail either LOL ! )

chaoticjelly

12-29-2004, 11:11 AM

Did the buyer ever get their money refunded?

Was the mystery ever solved?

tholly

12-29-2004, 01:50 PM

wow....this one got dug up outta the grave

good question though...what did happen?

v1rich

12-30-2004, 03:28 PM

I'm curious too. What ever did happen?

suppafly

12-31-2004, 03:57 PM

I want to know too! :)

SlayerOfFurbies

12-31-2004, 04:40 PM

hahaha...the drama.. and then no resolution... i kind of feel cheated..

chaoticjelly

01-01-2005, 03:12 PM

Everyone had a nice sit down and a cup of tea?

Player-2

01-01-2005, 10:41 PM

There has been no final resolution to the disappearing NWC cart. The seller has agreed that I am owed for the cart...and that he has pursued the necessary actions to recover the value of the cart (or the cart itself) and then forward it to me.
I still, however, have an empty mailbox. And not one communication initiated by the seller in months. He has discontinued selling anything to North America. I have had a few inquiries from people as to the disposition of this item, but I have been hesitant to respond...as the writers could have just been his friends.
In my last writing to the seller, I explained to him that he will need to deal with one of my managers for resolution of this problem ( he agreed and offered to help in any way he could ). That was a couple weeks ago. Then Xmas...then New Year. Now inventory. So it will be a couple weeks before the issue is pursued seriously.
I expect it will be like a standard burglary or theft. Prosecution followed by restitution. We go through it all the time ( bad checks, burglaries, vandalism, shoplifting). It sucks cause it usually takes a little over a year or two (a year to prosecute...a few months in jail...then a year to pay kinda thing). I know this is a big deal in America. I have no idea what happens in the UK. I just know it costs a little over $350 to get representation there (from here).
I don't believe for a second that the cart was ever sent ( I was willing to wait a few months in case I was wrong ), and that is how I will be instructing the manager to pursue this. I don't expect a quick resolution from this seller. If anyone has any insight, I would sure appreciate it.

SoulBlazer

01-01-2005, 10:46 PM

Sorry to hear about the hassle.

There's always a risk in sending overseas because to get kind of tracking information you need to pay BIG MONEY for it. But for a item like this.....well, I would have paid the extra money and requested the seller use it. Sure, you may still have been ripped off, but at least a tracking number could have PROVEN if you were ripped off.

Please keep us informed as to what happens and I wish you the best of luck.

v1rich

01-03-2005, 07:48 AM

Thanks for the update.

Soulblazer, you might want to read the thread a little more closely :)
There were all kinds of screw ups with the tracking going on, but tracking was purchased.

lurpak

01-04-2005, 09:57 AM

Im still confused..

anyway my 10p worth

1. uk international signature through royal mail only gets a signature that it arrived in the country of destination not the adressee.. which sucks bigtime I only found this out when I went to claim.

2. if the tracking numbers changed then its a cut and dry case of where tracking number one ended its journey and thus proves sellers tampering case. I dont beleive an employee would be stupid enough to resend with a diffrent tracking number they may as well have just took the item.

3. on decleration slips you dont have much room so the description would usualy read "Game" value "�xx", how would an employee know that package contained that game unless he was opening random parcels and knowledgable on a fairly exclusive market. Declared value is usualy less at buyers request to reduce VAT duty. it costs the sender no more to have a declared value of �1million it only cost more insured value which is seperate.

4. Im pretty sure that international signed carries a maximum insurance of �500 ($980 ish ??), so theres no way seller will be able to recover costs and send to buyer.

Im not going to take sides, but from an un-bias point of view seller has some catching up to do in terms of validating himself. and of course Im already giving him credit for being a fellow brit and thus more honest than you foriegners ;)

on a negative side, if this did go to courte over here in the UK, and assuming that the seller was being dishonnest (without prejudice) I think it would likely he got a order to repay the amount plus costs. he wouldnt get custodial. its a civil matter. unless you can prove he drove a car to the post office as it is getting more and more illegal here to drive a car by the minute and 90% of the prosecution service is deployed convicting motorist /synical mode

Gemini-Phoenix

01-04-2005, 01:48 PM

Ed Oscuro

01-04-2005, 02:06 PM

That would be dumb. Best way would be to slowly sneak them onto eBay. Many folks would notice, but enough wouldn't.

Vroomfunkel

01-04-2005, 02:37 PM

Re: insurance

International signed for does indeed only go up to a maximum of �500 (as does Airsure). However, International Datapost and International Scheduled post (available from Parcel Force) insures up to a value to �2500

It is significantly more costly (about �30 - �40, as opposed to �7 - �10 for Airsure / Signed For ..) but if I was sending something worth �1000 overseas I would definitely recommend that service to the buyer, and make it clear that if they opted for the cheaper service, then �500 compensation would be all that I would be able to offer them if things went awry ...

This seems a very strange situation ... most people who would try to pull off a scam would not simply carry on trading under the same name after getting their pay-off. Yet also most honest sellers would presumably be a lot more co-operative and proactive in sorting things out than appears to be the case here, if what Player-2 says is correct (not implying it isn't, just that as an outsider to the situation, I have no empirical means of verifying it ..)

Vroomfunkel

chaoticjelly

01-04-2005, 08:52 PM

I contacted player 2 via email as I was going to post on here, but realised the last post was some time ago, and didnt want to seem like an idiot if it was all sorted out.

I have worked for the post office here in the UK and let me say, some dodgy stuff does go on, however I would incline to agree that it appears the cart was not sent.

You are right in saying Airmail signed for is only insured up to �500.

I would never send anything of great value by this method - the tracking is useless - the item is only tracked until it has left the UK

If the seller was really sending such an item, I dont know why they wouldnt send it via FedEx (the best shipping method for any items) as it would of been fully insured, quicker, more secure etc.

Ive noticed that bubboboo never sells console games, just mostly old computer games e.g. spectrum, c64, atari.. except for the WC cart..

Also if you do a search on google under groups, it appears this seller is not as rosy as he seems... there is a thread and apparently he used to shill bid under the username "breathofryu"

Apparently banned before for shill bidding.

I reckon anyone that shill bids is as crooked as anything...

Full link here.. http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?hl=en&lr=&threadm=20021104115942.25494.00000007%40mb-ch.aol.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dbubboboo%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26selm%3D2 0021104115942.25494.00000007%2540mb-ch.aol.com%26rnum%3D1

Just my 2 pence

Vroomfunkel

01-05-2005, 04:37 AM

Ive noticed that bubboboo never sells console games, just mostly old computer games e.g. spectrum, c64, atari.. except for the WC cart..

Not entirely true. As I said somewhere before in here, he was selling sealed Lords of Thunder games for the Mega CD for a while. I would guess he tends to sell whatever he can get his hands on, and whatever he knows will go for good money.

I sell almost entirely Sega games ... because I know what they are worth. But if I got hold of a gold NWC cart, I would certainly sell that too! And every now and again I pick up other stuff .. like the Star Trek CDs that I am selling at the moment (btw, if anyone wants one PM me .. I can do you a good off-ebay deal :) )

I am guessing Bubboboo main knowledge / interest concerns old computer games ... as for the rest, I have given up trying to work it all out. I think only the buyer and seller between them are ever really going to be able to resolve what happened there. Possibly with the aid of legal assistance.

Vroomfunkel

chaoticjelly

01-05-2005, 05:25 AM

You've got to admit, Royal Mail are pretty poor though, I wouldn't trust such an expensive cart in their hands ! :roll:

Vroomfunkel

01-05-2005, 05:37 AM

Absolutely.

I am also somewhat irritated by the UK banking system at the moment as well. Why on earth does it cost me �8 to make an international transfer? This is ludicrously excessive!! I don't mind paying a fee, but it's really not �8 worth of work for them. Especially in Europe, with IBAN and BIC codes.

And they still keep trying to insist that they need the name and address of the bank I am transferring to for it to go ahead - what rubbish!!! It's not as if they are going to post the money over, or get in a car and deliver it by hand! The whole system of IBAN and BIC is there precisely to remove the need for such ridiculous bureaucracy :/

Also I note that it only costs me about �3 to bank a US cheque ... obviously they don't mind the work so much when it involves money coming in to their coffers!

Vroomfunkel

Predatorxs

01-05-2005, 12:03 PM

hmm..that player 2 guy has bought some pretty hefty stuff. Damn.

I could be wrong, but isn't he the guy that collects NWCs?

If he is, then he is probably hoarding in order to make the other ones rarer...

He could technically go on live Tv and publicly burn the ones he does have therefore increasing the value of the other surviving copies of it!

Player 2 is a serious NES collector, and the NWC is the Nes collectors holy grail, he's not hoarding them! :/ I have a few Starfox Weekend carts, i'm a collector thats all.. ( Just to cover my back i'm not comparing Starfox Weekend to the NWC :P )

Nobody (technically) would go on tv and burn the NWC carts... those carts are super-dupa rare already, the price goes up all the time, cuz more and more collectors are keeping-a-hold of them, meaning other collectors will pay more for them!... O_O

It would be fun though, watchin someone putting a match and a can of gas to 9 or 10 of those beauties, O_O What.. the hell am i talkin about it? it would be crazy! LOL

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gleavepaul

01-05-2005, 02:05 PM

nah burn them there only nintendo stuff

Predatorxs

01-05-2005, 05:54 PM

nah burn them there only nintendo stuff

Grrrrrr! LOL

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gleavepaul

01-06-2005, 03:05 AM

:D LOL O_O :evil:

Chronodriftersx

01-06-2005, 02:30 PM

yea

MattG/Snyper2099

01-07-2005, 12:09 AM

Chronodriftersx

01-07-2005, 12:39 AM

you must tell us about this limited edition oreo please :P

TRM

01-07-2005, 01:37 AM

ok, this is somewhat thread related but only to the NWC cart aspect... Has anyone else ever seen the booklet explaining the NWC competition? It has an oreo add on the back of it. Aparently, it was only available at the 1990 NWC event.

I have one of those booklets, and it is scanned on my site:

http://www.planetnintendo.com/thewarpzone/champ.html

It's at the bottom of this page. Sorry about thread hi-jacking, now back to the originally scheduled topic.

chaoticjelly

01-07-2005, 10:30 PM

I am also somewhat irritated by the UK banking system at the moment as well. Why on earth does it cost me �8 to make an international transfer? This is ludicrously excessive!! I don't mind paying a fee, but it's really not �8 worth of work for them. Especially in Europe, with IBAN and BIC codes.

Sorry to go off topic, but with regards to this..

TELL ME ABOUT IT!

Halifax (my main bank / savings account) did not even know what IBAN WAS when I phoned them !! as for sending an IBAN, they told me not to bother as it would cost me " at least �50 " and they couldnt provide me with a BIC or IBAN number

Natwest however, provide a BIC and IBAN number on my statements.. so I didnt even have to ask them!

They charge just �1 to recieve payments.. I was under the impression it was free in the UK by law to send and recieve payments, but they will probably just say its to cover postage costs on the letter they send me EVERY time I get a payment.. x_x

Why are these banks allowed to charge �50 for a transfer.. I hate sending cash to Europe!

SoulBlazer

01-07-2005, 10:35 PM

Predatorxs

01-08-2005, 10:57 AM

This is defentily a case where PayPal has it's uses. ;)

But to stay on topic -- it sucks this is still going on, and the whole tracking issue seems VERY muddy. At least with the USPS you can PROVE a item got a house, although unless you require a signature no way to know if it actually got to a PERSON. When I ship overseas I always ask the seller if they want tracking and if they do to pay the money, otherwise I can't offer it due to how expensive that it is.

So I guess that leaves the main burning question -- did the seller actually send the game or was a rip off from day one?

Someone else mentioned, that sending a signed for item to the US from the UK only got it to the US.. and it doesn't mean the Recipient signs for it? Thats INCORRECT.

The name and address on the package, is where it is signed for. and thats "Royal Mail International Signed for"

I meant to mention that the other day but was just click through a few threads, since i didn't use any computers over Christmas..

PS. I know it's late but Happy New Year, and many more to everyone here! :D

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