I just got a second chance offer on NWC cart from ebay

[Buyatari]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3608&item=8117072973&rd=1

Any one know what happened here?

Seems might fishy to me.

Any thoughts?

Adam

[Chunky]

yes it does. Since the last honest bid befor yours was 890-970 i would only do that, screw the 1200.

[anagrama]

Are they willing to use an Escrow service, or something similar?
That's the only way I'd be willing to go for it (in the highly unlikely situation that I have £1K to blow on a NES game ;) )

[leonk]

that's strange.. considering player2 is a respectable buyer/seller.

Sounds fishy..

[nesman85]

I'd just email player2 and ask him what happened. If he says he just decided not to get it since he already has one (or more) then you should go for it. I was expecting it to go much higher than a measly $2,200 (which is a lot, but not for a gold nwc).

[Buyatari]

I don't know this player2 guy. Anyone here have his email or know him personally. I'd love to hear the whole story on what happened.

Adam

[Daria]

I don't know this player2 guy. Anyone here have his email or know him personally. I'd love to hear the whole story on what happened.

Adam

Click on his name in the auction. Then click contact member.

[-hellvin-]

hmm..that player 2 guy has bought some pretty hefty stuff. Damn.

[Daria]

hmm..that player 2 guy has bought some pretty hefty stuff. Damn.

I could be wrong, but isn't he the guy that collects NWCs?

[Buyatari]

Click on his name in the auction. Then click contact member.

Well we didn't have a transaction together. Is it still possible? And if it is possible I don't think I can ask him about another Ebay member through eBay. Isn't that against the policy

[-hellvin-]

hmm..that player 2 guy has bought some pretty hefty stuff. Damn.

I could be wrong, but isn't he the guy that collects NWCs?

I have no idea who he is. I don't know too much about NWC buyers. Looks like it could be him.

[Vroomfunkel]

Hmm - the seller has been around a while, often seems to get his hands on the same deals that I do ... it's been a constant battle to beat him to market with stuff sometimes. He's been shifting retro games by the truck load for a while now. I know a couple of people who have bought from him, with no problems. No-one who spent that kind of money in one go though .. but he seems a pretty solid seller to me.

Vroomfunkel

[Daria]

Click on his name in the auction. Then click contact member.

Well we didn't have a transaction together. Is it still possible? And if it is possible I don't think I can ask him about another Ebay member through eBay. Isn't that against the policy

It's only against ebay policy to contact a buyer and attempt to set up off ebay deals with them.

And I can click on his name to email him, so I would assume you can as well. (:

[Darth Vader]

Adam:

I would find this VERY fishy. Player 2 owns at least 2 NWC's (plus he traded one to portnoyd, so he's had at least 3) and is a known buyer of them. I highly doubt he would bail out of this one. He actually was a member here for a while. Remember this thread:

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=33894

The guy is a VERY serious collector. My advice to you, is proceed with caution.

Danny

[Buyatari]

I think I'll pass on this one.

That overseas issue of me not being able to track down the seller is just the icing on the cake.

Besides I just bought an Odyssey 3 !!!

!@!@! YAY !@!@!

[Player-2]

I am writing to send buyatari a notice not to proceed with the purchase of the NWC cart. It's a scam. I paid for the cart and recieved a package of type-writer paper (so that I would sign for the package and he would have a record of me recieving it). A fairly common ebay scam. Fortunately, I opened the package at the post office, and the postmaster has verified it's contents (or lack of). With his second chance offer to buyatari, I have been informed that this case will reach a prosecutable level in his country LOL LOL LOL . I would appreciate it if buyatari could forward to me a copy of the second chance notice to player2@hiwaay.net . It is not necessary that I have it to proceed (ebay will supply it...and has offered assistance in this prosecution), but I would like an "original copy" if it's no trouble. I've been screwed many times, but I can get this guy...even overseas! And yes, I am a very motivated NES collector and proud gamestore owner...and I am the one who regretably stirred up the trouble a few months ago. I come to this site everyday, but I certainly won't get off into another rant....I got slammed that time!! :( :o :) . Take care...and have fun.

[SoulBlazer]

Good move checking out the package.

But what was in it?

And what is EBay going to do? Did you get your money back?

[tededfred]

I also had a second chance offer on this...

[suppafly]

this case is so weird.....why would a 1300+ feedback seller scam someone?

Isnt there a posibility someone opened the package and stole the game in the mail???

[Player-2]

Good move checking out the package.

But what was in it?

And what is EBay going to do? Did you get your money back?

It had plain typewriter paper in the package(about a hundred sheets). He didn't even put in a cheap cart to make it "feel" like it should....that's why I opened it. I'd like to make it appear as though I was smart enough to have thought to open it to protect my butt, but I thought maybe it was a catalog from his store, and I was just going to toss it. I only recieved the package earlier today (yesterday), so I have done little to resolve it except to explore my options and document the problem. I put a couple of my employees ( the computer online genious ones) on it and I have found that I can retain civil legal representation in his country (for a few hundred dollars) and he/she can pursue the problem on my behalf. But, most importantly, I have reached the necessary threshhold for criminal prosecution (due to the package being documented and his 2nd chance offer to buyatari....proving intent). That won't cost a dime, and ebay will provide all the necessary info in both countries to make this happen. "we take these issues very seriously and always assist in purging our business of criminal activity". The large dollar amount makes it a serious crime in his country ( I don't know if they call them felonies there). It's odd...he has a great rating as a power-seller, yet chose to do this. Regardless, the guy is not only a thief, but a fool. He provided every tool necessary to prove his guilt LOL LOL . And I fortunately (not bragging) have the financial resources to pursue a result. I have vacationed in France and Australia. I may be vacationing in the UK early next year! :evil: :evil: LOL LOL . (this would also make the vacation tax-deductable :D )This is a very fresh problem, so I may have a long time to wait (or he may get smart and just end this) for a result, but I have waited for restitution from shoplifters (after jail) for up to two years. I have learned patience with the legal system...and am in no hurry. I hope to still wind up with the cart...if it exists, rather than the money. The price was phenominal. This one is going to be personal, though....I really love NWC carts!! I just wanted to chime in so that buyatari didn't find himself off in a trick-bag. Have a good day.

[Bronty-2]

suppafly, that doesn't really wash.. if the game had really been sent, he wouldn't have another copy to send out multiple second chance offers with, right?

Sure, he's got a lot of feedback, but it happens. Sometimes good sellers 'turn bad' and go out with a bang - you never know what circumstances there might be in someone's private life that might motivate them to pull a scam like this. And there's always the possibility of an account hijacking, etc

[Vroomfunkel]

Wow .. that is a suprise. :eek 2:

However I sincerely doubt an account hijacking. The guy is still selling stuff at the moment, and he has always been a big retro game seller, as I said.

If this is what has happened then there certainly is a criminal case to pursue in the UK - and I would be glad to offer any assistance necessary, if it is needed.

One avenue to investigate would be the UK "Small Claims Court" which enables individuals to pursue cases like this with minimal cost and bureaucracy. You can claim up to £5,000 through this

http://www.compactlaw.co.uk/tiscali/smc.html

Since the transaction is international though, it would be a good idea to report this to the relevant local police force, and get a crime reference number as soon as possible. If you have an address for the guy, I can find out the local police force number etc. for you.

Sorry to hear about the scam, hope it gets sorted out asap!!

Vroomfunkel

[ddd@frogbog.co.uk]

Nice of everyone to believe what they hear without hearing the rest of the story! I am the seller of this article. Buyatari says I sent him a second chance offer and this thread was posted yesterday. I have not been near the item page in weeks and have definitely not sent tis offer, If you have one then please forward it to legal@frogbog.co.uk, ebay records show that no second chance offers have been sent for this item.

This item was sent via international recorded delivery and is insured. I have had 5 or 6 emails from 2-player and every time I have replied asking for the tracking number of the package he has there as I do not believe it is even my package! He has replied telling me how stupid I am and how he will come to England but not once with the information I require. If that is my package then I will make a report to royal mail and the police but my records show that this item has not yet been delivered. I also asked for the weight of the package (this is written on the back of my docket by the post office staff) and also the type of packaging.

As somebody pointed out I am a powerseller with 2000+ feedbacks, I would not risk my account for this. I have sold items worth 5 times this amount without any trouble and currently have 2 rooms full to the ceiling with boxes of 80's computer gear. Stuff does go missing and things to get stolen especially when it's international as in the uk you must declare the full value on the customs form for insurance purposes, If you were earning minimum wage and saw a small parcel worth £1200 you might be tempted too.

If 2-player could just send me the info I require I might be able to do something about this but if you insist on just making threats then there's nothing I can do and all correspondence will be kept for future reference.

People shouldn't jump to these sort of conclusions, Nobody here knows me and yet people are already talking about court action and the like. I can assure you I have all the required documentation which will stand up in a uk court. I have been trading over 15 years and know my own legal system.

So, anybody with second chance offers, please forward them, Doug-Please send me the information I keep asking for and I will look into this and as I stated this item is insured, it's irrelevant that you have signed for it as under royal mail you can claim for missing goods even when the package has arrived.

[Vroomfunkel]

All beginning to sound rather complicated. The nature of message boards is that it is not really possible to verify what people say, you have to go on trust to a certain degree. Therefore I gave advice to the complainant as to what he should do on the assumption that his claims are truthful. If there is a serious dispute over something like this, then it should go to court - where, hopefully, whoever is right will win.

Nevertheless, as I said before, it would seem suprising to me if bubboboo were pulling a scam, especially since he is continuing to sell a consideable amount of goods. Suprising, but not completely inconceivably impossible.

There seem to be three possibilities:

a) The seller is pulling a scam, and does not have enough brains to do a runner.

b) The seller has sent the item, and either it has been lost / stolen in the post - or else merely delayed, and the package player-2 received was not from the seller at all. The "second chance offers" that others have received are from chancers trying to butt in on a high profile auction to make a fast buck for themselves.

c) The buyer is trying to pull a scam to get his game for nowt.

Scenarios 1 & 3 buyer and seller will just have to scrap it out between them. Scenario 2 ... everyone calms down a little and actually talks & listens to each other, and everything gets worked out.

And whatever the situation, it seems like these "Second Chance Offers" are definitely a steer clear ...

Vroomfunkel

[Buyatari]

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You expressed interest in an item titled "Nintendo World Championship 1990 Gold Cart! Ultra Rare!"(Item #8117072973) by bidding, however the auction has ended with another member as the high bidder.In compliance with eBay policy the seller "bubboboo" makes this Second Chance Offer to you at your bid price of £1,200.00.The seller has issued this Second Chance Offer because either the winning bidder was unable to complete the transaction or the seller has duplicate items for sale. If you accept this offer, you will be able to exchange Feedback with the seller and will be eligible for eBay services associated with a transaction, such as fraud protection. To see this item, click on the link:http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3608&item=8117072973&rd=1 To learn about Second Chance Offer go to: http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/personal_offer.html Thank you, eBay, Inc. ***************Do not reply this e-mail you can contact the seller at:scottybest269192@aol.com

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[anagrama]

Thank you,
qweertyyyy


Hmm. Curiouser and curiouser. So who is 'qweertyyyy' and how are they able to send a second-chance offer for someone else's item?

edit: A-ha! Registered 16/8, already NARU. (http://feedback.ebay.co.uk/ws1/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=qweertyyyy)
Also, the one seller they have fb from is also NARU. What in the frig is going on here?

[ddd@frogbog.co.uk]

From buyatari's email.

Do not reply this e-mail you can contact the seller at:scottybest269192@aol.com

My registered ebay email is yggdrasil@ziplip.com, any second chance offer I sent would have this return address. I do not use aol I use blueyonder broadband and I think that is a foreign ip address although I would have to ask somebody else about that. This is a hoax, it was not sent from me. Seems strange that it was sent the day that 2-player emailed me saying he had received an erroneous package. The second chance offer page from the auction shows all the buyers, If I had sent an offer they would not have a tick box nest to them and everybody does.

I'm sure that ebay would confirm that it didn't come from me, trouble is finding out where it did come from.

Vroomfunkel

I am trying to work things out with doug but he seems to have made his mind up. As I said this item is insured and is showing as undelivered. If he would just forward the info to me I could compare the details to find out whether this was my package or nothing to do with me.

[Vroomfunkel]

Bloody hell ... this thing gets more contorted by the minute!

I noticed that qweertyyyy at the bottom too. Didn't think to look him up, by this point I assumed it was just a made up id. So this guy registered - in France, apparently - the day before buyatari received this email, and is already suspended???

:?

Bubboboo / ddd ..

Sorry if I appeared to be getting at you ... I've got no beef with you. I just wanted to offer advice to someone who seemed to be in a pickle. In fact, I am pretty sure I've bought stuff from you before (or vice versa, I really can't remember) ... I just can't be bothered to look through all my feedback to check. But your email address is fairly unforgettable! And I've certainly had no trouble from you .. because I definitely remember everyone I've dealt with who has been problematic! :D

As far as I can see it is pretty obvious that you had nothing to do with the Second Chance Offer emails. As far as the original transaction goes, well there's nothing anyone can say on that apart from you and the buyer, so I will pass no comment other than what I have already stated.

Vroomfunkel

[Vroomfunkel]

Perhaps it is stating the obvious here, but eBay really need to be informed about these second chance offer emails, because they certainly appear to be fraudulent in nature. I have not heard anyone attempting fraud through ebay in this way before .. let's hope it's not the start of a new wave of attempted cons, to contend with all those phishing emails I keep getting.

"Dear joelthejester, please re-register your details on our 2 bit attempt at a spoof website ..."

yeah right.

Occasionally I fill in user id "youvebeenreportedsucker", and password "gotohell" before forwarding them straight to spoof@ebay.co.uk

Mostly I just forward them straight on .. and delete them.

Vroomfunkel

[TheRedEye]

So let me see if I have this straight:

ddd posts eBay auction for gold NWC.

Player-2 places winning bid, pays for package. Second highest bid is buyatari.

Player-2 pays, and claims to have received a package full of typing paper.

buyatari gets a "second chance offer," apparently from ddd.

ddd claims that the full package was sent, and that the "second offer" was fraudulent.

...jesus. So this either means:

ddd sent the fake package and then tried to rip off buyatari, OR

ddd sent the fake package and a mysterious third party sent the email OR

ddd sent a real package, Player 2 is lying, mysterious third party or ddd sent second chance email OR

ddd sent a real package, contents were stolen en route, mysterious third party sent the second chance email?

Fucking A, call Perry Mason. There are too many variables here.

[Daria]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=616&item=6919876512

Hello qweertyyyy o.O

[Ninja Blacksox]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=616&item=6919876512

Hello qweertyyyy o.O

Wow.

What in the name of holy hell is that?

-A Boy

[tededfred]

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[v1rich]

Sounds like an international plot to launder money for terrorism to me. x_x

[SoulBlazer]

Wow. Two e-mails from people with offers for Second Chance offers, and it looks like they did NOT come from the seller of the original item! O_O

There are two seperate issues going on here, as someone said:

Fruadent Second Chances and a Missing Item.

For the former, it's good we're talking about it in the open. Ebay needs to be contacted, as well as the authorities.

For the later, that's for e-mail. I hope that can be cleared up.

[ddd@frogbog.co.uk]

Cosmic Spacehead

No Idea!

Vroomfunkel

I know you mean well! I've only just realised who you are! It's you and me you usually buy and sell the mega cd stuff. The lords if thunder and space adventure types. Also, I have contacted ebay about the second chance offer thing, I asked for the ip address etc.

tededfred

Thanks for that, please forward it to ebay.

v1rich

What a great sense of humour!


player-2 has still not contacted me about this. All I get is very arrogant emails about how he will do this and that. I would rather sort this out properly.

[gleavepaul]

it looks like to me

seller sold his stuff

buyer get the parcel but its been tampered with by the post

the 2nd chance things is a scam and quite scarey easy ploy.

not good

[Buyatari]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=616&item=6919876512

That auction looked like its sole purpose was to build feedback. Possibly for another screen name? Only one of them was registered in France and the other the US? If its just a second or third ID for someone it could be anyone.......it could even be someone already involved in this.

[Ninja Blacksox]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=616&item=6919876512

That auction looked like its sole purpose was to build feedback. Possibly for another screen name? Only one of them was registered in France and the other the US? If its just a second or third ID for someone it could be anyone.......it could even be someone already involved in this.

This definitely seems to be the case.

It should definitely be brought to Ebay's attention.

So who's gonna do it?

-A Boy

[D_N_G]

BuyAtari or TedEdFred, click the link in the email to respond the second chance offer and see if it takes you to an actual ebay site, or if the url is something spoofed, just dont put in any info in.

If its spoofed, maybe we can do a WhoIs lookup and find out some more info on where it came from

[Player-2]

I am very surprised to see the "seller" of this cart respond on this site(I sent him the address in case he did not know about DP)...Since he has sent no responses to my "threatening" :roll: emails. I will be happy to share the answers to the questions...you claim to have posed to me... on this forum. I will also be happy to post a picture of the items package (with the kidderminster postmark) and the claimed value of the cart on fine print portion....much less than its value (how could it be insured for its true value). I would be thrilled to be proven wrong. No one would apologize quicker and in as many public ways as would I. You have lied on this forum as well. You have made no contact with me, and you have two of my email accounts to make that contact. Making this more of a public issue would not bother me in the least, but it also offers me no gain. I brought the topic here only to help avoid the same thing happening to buyatari ( if buyatari had only bid ten dollars more,this would already be his problem LOL ) It is my guess that your post here is an attempt to temporarily salvage your reputation so that you may finish a group of sales. It is very late here. I will re-address this issue tomorrow if anyone wishes for me to supply what I have offerred (even including the emails I sent you). Maybe you could post some of those emails you sent to me offerring to address this issue....I would like to read them. I doubt the readers of this forum care very much about this transaction...other than its "soap-opera" appeal....but I am happy to offer the entertainment if anyone wishes. A heck of a coincidence that the 2nd chance offers were sent the same time I recieved my package...even if they were sent by "someone else" not known to you. I have seven ebay accounts. Two are power-seller. It would be not be difficult to send an offer from any of those...should I choose to do so. I am puzzled by that part a little...not enough to change any relevant part of this transaction though. Your lie that you have communicated with me in any way says most of what I need to understand your position on this transaction.
THANKS guys (forum members) for your interest and guidance in this matter. It is greatly appreciated! If you have any interest in the details, I will be happy to feed your curiousity. Now going to bed

[anagrama]

I have seven ebay accounts.

Is that allowed? O_O

[Buyatari]

This definitely seems to be the case.

It should definitely be brought to Ebay's attention.

So who's gonna do it?

-A Boy

1.Both have been NARUed.

2. You can have as many ebay accounts as you want. I have a feeling this may one day change.

3. As for our interest in this matter. Player2 no matter what you said about us, as a forum in the past, we do like to think of ourselves in part as a "watchdog" group. By pointing out behavior we find "questionable" we hope to save our members some hassle in the future. If there is indeed someone dealing videogame related items on ebay with less than honorablel intentions we all want to know. it is true we may not all have the means to purchase an NWC on ebay. However, the chance that we would have ANY transaction with either of you in the future is there for each and every member of this forum. Should something happen in the future involving a member of these forums the ability to go back and read something like this step by step is priceless.

I guess I can see where you are coming from. I mean neither of you were contributing members on this forum prior to this conversation. So if you guys want to work it out in private you have every right to do so. However, we do have the best intentions at heart and can offer a 3rd party perspective. You have both expressed interest in seeing this resolved. We hope this works out for both of you and are not here to "tar and feather" anyone.

[v1rich]

Player-2 wrote:
I have seven ebay accounts.


Is that allowed?

Well if you have seven people working for you it should be and I know that player-2 probably has more than that. I have 2 accounts myself.

By the way Player-2, glad to see you back here. This is one of the benefits of the forum, to work out issues like this.

Personally I think that the post was tampered with and the item stolen and a fake item sent on in place of it by the stealing post worker to make it look bad on the seller's part. Could have even used the original label from the stolen box.

International Intrigue in the Video Game world.

Vic

[ddd@frogbog.co.uk]

Once again player-2 is claiming I have not contacted him so I am going to nore you all with the emails from ymy sent folder.

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See below! I think buyatari has made something up! No second chance offers have been sent.

Select User ID: Second Chance Offer Price
buyatari ( 387) £1,200.00
nesdream ( 1447) £850.00
maltesehamster ( 334) £420.00
pa_nes_ian ( 112) £400.00
aspatz1979 ( 13) £200.00
smokinjoe24 ( 668) £160.00
classicvideogamelover ( -1) £150.00
jhd7 ( 985) £20.00
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: edna roach [mailto:grandma0330@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004, 10:00 PM
>To: yggdrasil@ziplip.com
>Subject: You're famous on the largest retro-gaming site in the world...in just
>24 hours!!
>
>Just thought I would let you know you are becoming famous!! check out
>www.digitpress.com under forums and then ebay, but specifically
>http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=4.
>I am sure you are familiar with digitpress....the number one retro-gaming
>site in the world. It has many members in the UK as well. Me and you are
>going to be dealing with each other for quite a while. This would be a good
>time to make the trouble go away
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I have just responded to your first email and I find this one as insulting as
the last. Yes I am a power seller and I have over 2000 positive comments, I did not get them by stealing from people. I have asked for the info I need in the other mail and I advise you forward it along with a bit of courtesy. I do not takes threats lightly. If I was going to rip you off I just wouldn't have
bothered sending anything, certainly not a load of paper.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: grandma0330@hotmail.com [mailto:grandma0330@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004, 9:28 AM
>To: yggdrasil@ziplip.com
>Subject: Question for item #8117072973 - Nintendo World Championship 1990 Gold
>Cart! Ultra Rare!
>
>Dear bubboboo,
>
>I thought I would also respond through this venue...so as to document my
>communication. You have sent me a package of paper, instead of the cart.
>Clearly to be able to say "he signed for it". As stated in my other email, I
>opened it at the post office,so as to verify it's contents. Our postmaster was
>kind enough to document the contents. I trust I can expect an explanation from
>you. Power-seller,huh?
>
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I beg your pardon? Before making silly accusations I would check your facts.
Firstly can you tell me the weight of the parcel, the tracking number from the blue and white international recorded slip and the address it was sent to and how was it written. You see, I have the other half of the international recorded docket here and it means it is insured, I would hardly send you paper so I would not be able to claim on the insurance. Also, If that little comment is meant to be a threat then forget it. I know you think you can probably come over here and throw your wait around like most Americans but in this case you are very wrong.

If you want my full co-operation in this matter then you might want to try
talking to me properly. I have all the documents I need to claim on the
insurance and to prove this item was posted.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: edna roach [mailto:grandma0330@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004, 9:16 AM
>To: yggdrasil@ziplip.com
>Subject: nwc false shipment
>
>I guess you were expecting this email...concerning the package of plain
>white paper you shipped me. Since the package was flexible, I opened it at
>the post office where I picked it up and signed for it. Our post-master
>documented the contents (plain white paper) so there would be no confusion as to its contents (you should have at least put a duck-hunt in it, so as to appear to contain a game). Your mis-address of the package (both name and address ) was not a problem...one of the advantages of living in a small town is everyone knows who you are, and the lack of a return address was an >odd thing to do ( an attempt to cause a loss in the mail, I suppose). I await your explanation of this deciet. I believe it was a clear fraud from >the first second. I hope you can prove me mistaken. I trust you are not >naive enough to believe that an ocean offers protection. I can be reached >through www.Player-2.com or at player2@hiwaay.net or through a reply to this email. I am curious to hear your response....or lack of one.

So 3 of the 4 emails I sent and not a single reply. I suppose you are going to claim I have manafactured these too? Also, It would not matter how many accounts one has, you can only send second chance offers from the account the item was sold from, I have asked ebay to tell me the ip of the where it came from and waiting for their response.

More to the point I think you should give me the info I require and give me a chance to sort this out as all you've done so far is make threats. You can take me to court but at the end of the day I have the documentation, the second chance offers will eventually be worked out and everybody will know they did not originate from me, I have all the emails from the transaction to show I have communicated with you (although you claim otherwise), and I have repeatedly asked for the info so I can start a trace or make a claim. However, If you'd rather bring a civil case then go for it! If you think I am just trying to prolong my account then you are very wrong, Next week there will be a couple of hundred more auctions for rare computer stuff, I have no intention of stopping sellerg just because of this.

[mod edit: removed some --- for easier reading]

[Daria]

Erm...


Your mis-address of the package (both name and address ) was not a problem...one of the advantages of living in a small town is everyone knows who you are, and the lack of a return address was an >odd thing to do ( an attempt to cause a loss in the mail, I suppose).

So wait the paper that came in the mail was not only adressed to somone else it didn't have a return label? Is it at all possible that it wasn't sent by ddd? Was it post marked from the country he's living in? Was at least very similar to your name and address?

[TRM]

I doubt the readers of this forum care very much about this transaction...other than its "soap-opera" appeal....but I am happy to offer the entertainment if anyone wishes.

I'd be glad to hear it, for entertainment sake. Interesting story.

But in all seriousness though, I hope that things work out for both of you. I don't know what the true story is, however, I hope that it comes out some time or another. Good luck.

[Player-2]

For those of you who are still interested, the seller of this cart has "re-sent" the emails to me...and will, of course, recieve all the info requested. I would be very foolish to try "not to commumicate" , since I am the one currently in the hole. I am sure no one would believe that I am not trying (with great effort ) to make this problem go away...I WANT to communicate :) :) !
For those who want to follow the details: the postmark is from Kidderminster UK ( his town ). I don't have any other packages coming from there. The shipping address was missing half of my last name, 2 out of 5 digits on the street address, and no zip code, and no return address ( on the package...in fairness, I have no idea how the UK system addresses packages). The package has a declared value (not insured value...again, I don't know UK policies on marking packages) of much less than the winning price for the cart. Declared values are mandatory on international shipments...and cannot be insured for more than that declared value.
He has requested that I communicate in a proper and courteous manner..and he is correct...and I will do exactly that. To make things real clear...I would not/did not threaten an attack against him ( his response was similar to "like most americans feel they can throw their weight around" ). My remark that "it would be naive to believe that an ocean offers protection" was meant simply as a threat/promise to pursue legal action (specifically criminal above civil). It is no longer difficult to protect your rights overseas...the world has gotten much smaller in the last twenty years. Besides, if I tried to "get" people who screw me over....burglaries, vandals, shoplifters, checks, etc. , I would be fighting every week LOL LOL . And getting my ass whipped most of the time LOL LOL . "Vacationing" in that country would be a very probable event. It would be deductible, as I would definitely devote some time to this issue :D . And I hear it's a fine country.
I don't know how "proper" it is to discuss this topic on this forum, but I have had dozens of emails requesting more info, so here it is. My position has not changed one bit....nor have any of the facts in my earlier posts. I hope this can be solved easily (now that he is feeling a litle pressure from his peers), but I expect it will wind up in a criminal proceeding (much like a bad check that the issuer refuses to or is unable to rectify...just larger).
I will pursue this for a short time, and if unsuccesful, will turn it over to an employee to keep active. Please don't take this as pompous, but when all is said and done...this is no more than a month's rent at one of my stores. I'm ticked personally because it's an NWC cart.
I won't be posting any more on this issue...since the seller has begun to communicate with me now. But I will answer any questions privately. I would not have brought this to this forum had I not noticed that buyatari was possibly going to fall in the same hole.
On a side note, multiple ebay accounts are not unusual at all. I do more than video games. Some accounts are exclusive to certain kinds of buying(wholesale lots, small resale items,display signage, etc.), certain products to be sold on certain accounts, and to separate one business from another, as well as personal from private. Also, don't ever be impressed by the word "power-seller". Just sell a couple expensive items and a half dozen cheap items for three consecutive months...and don't screw too many customers (max 2 %)...and you are a powerseller. woohoo. My powerseller accounts are all accidents and have no value or meaning to me. It's a "carrot" for sellers to feel important. It's cool, but that's it.
I can't tell you how much I appreciate all the positive and supportive mail I have recieved from members and readers of this site. At one time, I was really bent about the negative tone toward some buyers here (and I recieived a few of those emails yesterday too..."ha ha, you deserve it"... "your a fool for paying so much"..."what kind of idiot would trust someone overseas" kind of stuff). But it is very clear to me now that most (almost all) the participants here are very good folks, with just a sprinkling of children making way too much noise. I'll get used to this internet stuff one day :) ;) :) . Take care...and always have fun!

[Griking]

So. Much. Text.

Makes. Eyes. Hurt.

[v1rich]

Maybe someone from Player-2's home town stole the game. :o

[tholly]

wow...too much to read...i didnt read every word, but this is a crazy situation....i hope things get sorted out and it proves to be the mis doing of someone else and not the buyer and or seller.....

hopefully you guys can get this worked out, with no lose to either of you monetarily

[Predatorxs]

Maybe someone from Player-2's home town stole the game. :o

It's hard to know what has happened, But the User name bubboboo came up alot (between myself and other ebayers in the UK) in the last few years, and it wasn't good stuff either?

I'm not defending Player-2 (Doug ;) ) either but everyone should keep an open mind!

:vamp:..XS

[NESu]

Even I can remember that the name bubboboo had some sort of stigma to it :angry:

[Predatorxs]

Even I can remember that the name bubboboo had some sort of stigma to it :angry:

MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM ;)

:vamp:..XS

[Darth Vader]

Well, Achika and I go away for a few days and this is what happens?? :o Well, I'll leave this one open, but I'd appreciate it if only the INVOLVED parties respond to this thread.

In my opinion, this certainly sounds scam-o-riffic to me.

Danny

[SoulBlazer]

Not our fault. :D

I'd love to hear from Player 2 or the other guy as to what happens of this, though. Someone got scammed big time.

[Vroomfunkel]

Well, Achika and I go away for a few days and this is what happens?? Well, I'll leave this one open, but I'd appreciate it if only the INVOLVED parties respond to this thread.


Eh? It's not exactly nuclear war at the moment. And it has brought up a rather important issue - which is that it appears that new ebay scam has arisen, namely false "Second Chance Offers" being sent.


It's hard to know what has happened, But the User name bubboboo came up alot (between myself and other ebayers in the UK) in the last few years, and it wasn't good stuff either?


Um, well I did a search on the site for bubbobo and the only result linked to this thread. True, I may have whinged about him before, but only because he was selling the same stuff I was meaning I made less of a profit ... but that is hardly his fault.

Vroomfunkel

[esquire]

As an ebay member who has actually purchased an item on a second chance offer, I'd thought I'd share my experience to help prevent scams like qweertyyyy's from taking place ever again.

When a second chance offer is created, an actual auction is created by ebay listing the item (with a new item#) at a BIN for the second chance price. The auction remains open for 24 hours and only the second chance offeree can purchase the item.

So the alleged second chance offer sent by qweertyyyy clearly is clearly fraudulent in that it only references the original auction and not any new auction created for the second chance offer.

Hope this helps and prevents this from happening again.

[Vroomfunkel]

All correct, except one minor point - the length of the new "Buy it Now" auction that is created by the second chance offer can last varying amounts of time - the seller can choose from several options - from 24 hours up to about 5 days I think. I usually choose give 3 days, when I send Second Chance Offers.

Vroomfunkel

[suppafly]

Are there any news on what happened to the NWC cart? Im very intrigued about this situation...

[suppafly]

Any news??? :hmm:

[DreamTR]

Seller sent me one also. Nice scam he has got going, but I already was scammed on a damned Virtual Bowling acution once this past month.

[Player-2]

Hi! I have gotten quite a few emails concerning this topic. The seller of the NWC cart has contacted me....he has seen the pix of the package and the evidence I have....and has agreed that the cart never made it here, and that I am owed a refund. He tells me that the package was tampered with in his country (due to a different tracking number on the package???). He has stated that he will pursue this through the police.

I will watch to see what he does.....and give him the benefit of the doubt...as long as that pursuit is made (and documented). I do expect a refund soon, or I will play a more active role in bringing in the police. I expect all will work out in the end. He has given me no reason, at this point, to believe otherwise. I will know in a few weeks. Thanks for the interest.

[SoulBlazer]

IS it possible it was snagged by someone who KNEW what the cart was?

In all, it's a sad case. There's only about 126 NWC carts in the whole world. Was this a gold or a gray? In any case, it's sad to see one of them drop out of sight like this, like a precious coin or painting.

I guess we need to watch EBay for a while. :P

[Predatorxs]

Player-2 how was it sent (Which company? Royal Mail, UPS, Fed EX?) to have a package tampered with especially with either Fed Ex, or UPS, they would go nuts!..

UPS and Fed Ex, have very strick rules on packages being tampered with, especially by there employes..

A few questions to ponder!

Why would someone put a different tracking number on it? If it had have been tampered with, i know the Royal Mail would have put it in a clear, thick plastic bag with a notice on it explaining the damage and or why/how it might have been caused?.

Find out the original tracking number, you might be able to track it yourself and see where it might have been "tampered :roll:" with as well as the date it was dispatched!

Plus i'm sure the seller, would have had it insured, for it's full financial value?? So a refund should be no problem :hmm: ??

:vamp:..XS

[Buyatari]

Plus i'm sure the seller, would have had it insured, for it's full financial value?? So a refund should be no problem ??

Can you imagine trying to convince a post office (in any country) that your old NES cart is really "worth" several thousand dollars?

[Vroomfunkel]

Can you imagine trying to convince a post office (in any country) that your old NES cart is really "worth" several thousand dollars?

Why should that be a problem? Print out the auction page, and if necessary refer them to the DP Guide. Done.

Vroomfunkel

[Azazel]

People have tried that before and generally they have problems with getting the money from insurance.

[y-bot]

USPS will not accept ebay prices as an insurance value even if it is the item that was insured. You have to show trhem a price guide (and probably not an online one).

y-bot

[16-bit]

USPS will not accept ebay prices as an insurance value even if it is the item that was insured. You have to show trhem a price guide (and probably not an online one).

y-bot

Really? I'll have to confirm that myself with the post office. I thought a copy of the payment receipt would suffice.

What was declared on the customs form? I would assume you declared it for the amount it was sold for, but if not, insuring an item for an amount different than the amount declared is just inviting trouble.

I think the biggest challenge is going to be proving that the package was tampered with. They are going to want to have all the packaging, everything. The switched tracking numbers is probably the best case that can be made for that.

[Vroomfunkel]

Hmm .. I have to say I don't know about USPS, but a printout of the auction has worked for me getting insurance from Royal Mail and also for getting a refund of customs charges when some klutz put a value of $800 on a shipment that I paid $200 for ("I just had some extra cash in my pocket when I went to the post office, so I thought I would insure it to what I paid for it when it was new .." ... what an idiot!!)

I am hoping it will work again, because some australian woman i bought a megadrive game from valued it at AU$100 instead of the AU$30 that I paid for it, didn't tell me, and offered exactly the same excuse when I asked about it. Do some people just have no brain at all? And she didn't even insure the package, so that was especially pointless!! :angry:

Vroomfunkel

[Daria]

Hmm .. I have to say I don't know about USPS, but a printout of the auction has worked for me getting insurance from Royal Mail and also for getting a refund of customs charges when some klutz put a value of $800 on a shipment that I paid $200 for ("I just had some extra cash in my pocket when I went to the post office, so I thought I would insure it to what I paid for it when it was new .." ... what an idiot!!)

I am hoping it will work again, because some australian woman i bought a megadrive game from valued it at AU$100 instead of the AU$30 that I paid for it, didn't tell me, and offered exactly the same excuse when I asked about it. Do some people just have no brain at all? And she didn't even insure the package, so that was especially pointless!! :angry:

Vroomfunkel

Off topic: What happens exactly when someone over insures a package? I gather from your post it's something bad anyway. Does it just make it harder to collect the money if the package is lost or damaged?

[Azazel]

From what people have told me it's just harder to collect the money from.

[ddockery]

It was only for $80, ut a eBay printout worked as proof of value at the USPS for me a couple of years ago. Although, that would be an easy way for a few individuals to scam the USPS I suppose.

[Player-2]

Player-2 how was it sent (Which company? Royal Mail, UPS, Fed EX?) to have a package tampered with especially with either Fed Ex, or UPS, they would go nuts!..

UPS and Fed Ex, have very strick rules on packages being tampered with, especially by there employes..

A few questions to ponder!

Why would someone put a different tracking number on it? If it had have been tampered with, i know the Royal Mail would have put it in a clear, thick plastic bag with a notice on it explaining the damage and or why/how it might have been caused?.

Find out the original tracking number, you might be able to track it yourself and see where it might have been "tampered :roll:" with as well as the date it was dispatched!

Plus i'm sure the seller, would have had it insured, for it's full financial value?? So a refund should be no problem :hmm: ??

:vamp:..XS

Hi! The package was shipped Royal Mail...and it was insured, but it had a lesser "declared value" than that of the auction price. I don't know if that matters or not. At one time I thought that it could not be insured for more than the declared value. I still THINK that is true, but I am not positive.

As far as UPS shipping and insurance....UPS will pay the amount that it is insured for, regardless of its actual value (high value items must be inspected before sealing the package). I own a few stores, and one of them was a public shipping point....we ran into this scenario fairly often. I have no idea how the USPS works. I have never had a claim through them.

As far as the NWC cart thing goes, I have no idea how Royal Mail handles claims. But I bet I will be able to answer that question one day LOL . The seller of the cart will be the first to begin "handling" my unfortunate circumstance. I have no idea about the switched tracking numbers at this point...I am temporarily at the mercy of the "system" and the seller.