PSP vs. Nintendo DS

[ianoid]

Which one you gonna get within the first few months of release? Or both?

I will pick both eventually, but for no good reason I'm most excited about getting the PSP sooner.

[Black Dragon]

Im sorry dude but i am 100% on DS

[pixelsnpolygons]

Both, but I am more confident about the DS. I'm sorry, but the PSP sounds like a broken system waiting to happen

[maxlords]

I'm very interested in a DS....PSP is something I'll pick up when they're cheap IF there's a library I like.

[marshalldylan1]

Definetly the DS. And, when the PSP fails miserably, I will maybe pick up a copy.

[Mr-E_MaN]

I'm going to be picking up the DS. I might concider getting a PSP if it is dirt cheap.... but that would be the only way.

[Cryomancer]

DS all the way. Probably the only console since......32x or so that I'll pay retail for.

[max 330 mega]

im totally getting the DS, sony will have to have some very good games come out that appeal to me for me to buy one.

[Nez]

With the PSP looking to be set at an astro nomical pirce, I'll really hold off on that one.

The DS I'll pick up with in a year of its release.

[Drexel923]

I'll be getting a DS at launch. As far as the PSP goes, I'm definitely going to wait until it drops in price.

[Ed Oscuro]

Yow...what's this, 100% pro-DS commentary? 14 to 2?

Well, we haven't seen a definite price tag yet, so I'd say that's selling it short.

The DS has specs which look and sound great, but the games...hmm...a rehash of Super Mario 64, and Metroid: Hunters, plus others.

I dunno...right now I'll be brutally honest; I'm happy with my old systems, and when you say "portable of choice" I say "Nomad."

I'll be waiting a while before I pick one of these up. I'd say getting a Virtual Boy is higher on my list of priorities, in fact, as would be a Timetop Gameking (Chip8-ish and all).

My reasoning is simple: Do I play games in public? No. Do I know how these games will play? Nope. What I can be certain I'll enjoy stays on the older systems, and I've got a HUGE backlog that'll take me years to clear. I don't doubt there's great fun to be had with the DS and PSP, but it can wait for the time being.

[Zubiac666]

The DS has specs which look and sound great, but the games...hmm...a rehash of Super Mario 64, and Metroid: Hunters, plus others.



the so called "rehash" of mario 64 will rock on (wireless)multiplayer
what's so bad about "metroid hunters"?
it looks almost like the cube-version and I guess that controlling it with stylus is truely innovative.
anyway....
there are more games which will get my interest:
Nanostray (http://www.shinen.com/games/game.php3?nanostray) (2D shmup)
Bomberman DS (http://www.gcadvanced.com/images/games/bombermands003.jpg)
ANimal Crossing DS (http://www.gcadvanced.com/images/games/DS_AnimalCrossing-7.jpg)
Castlevania
Final Fantasy
Dynasty Warriors
Mario Kart DS (http://www.gcadvanced.com/images/games/051104_mario-kart-ds_ss-06.jpg)
Legend Of Zelda
Mr.Driller
New Super Mario Bros. (http://www.gcadvanced.com/images/games/051104_smb-ds_ss-04.jpg)
New super Mario Bros Video (right click,save as...) (http://www.gcadvanced.com/movies/ds/newsupermariobros/videos/e32004newsupermariobros320.wmv)
Vandal Hearts
Wario Ware Inc
Viewtiful Joe DS
Winning Eleven
NintenDogs (http://www.gcadvanced.com/images/games/nintendogs001.jpg)
:-P :D

[Ed Oscuro]

Indeed, there's nothing wrong with the two I mentioned, but as I wrote I'm not much of a portables gamer. I like my portables as much as the next person, but this comes down to a money issue - with stuff I'm looking at holding my interest, the DS's "Same Game" (to reference part of one of the items I'm working on getting...anybody guess what that is? Get a cookie!) feel isn't capturing my interest quite yet. I'm sure it'll be worth a look later, but I'm still working on fleshing out my real Nintendo 64 collection.

As for that Castlevania, it looks to be a slightly altered version of Aria of Sorrow. Can't really comment on the rest for the DS, except to say that the games do dog near ban Sony to another dimension with their goodness...or something. Same goes for Sony, except with Sony I feel even more ambivalent and unsure what's going on there. You have to get around clumps of price-point and battery lifetime arguments, after all, which seems to be all anybody will talk about in relation to that system!

[Emily]

The DS is going to be the first console I get at its initial release. 8-)
Im soooo stoked! I cant wait to blow my money on Nintendo's latest-and-greatest portable.

Nintendo shall forever be king of the portable domain...

[Zerothis]

Here we are again. Sony trying to create the be-all-end-all of portable entertainment while Nintendo focuses on a few good games. You'd think Sony would have learned something from tamagatchi

[Richter Belmount]

im rather worried bout the ds`s battery capabilitiy 2 screens = /

[Zubiac666]

im rather worried bout the ds`s battery capabilitiy 2 screens = /

I'd be rather more worried bout psps battery life since I've seen many "facts" where it says 2-3hours playtime.That's why sony also releases this stupid "Extra-batterypack" which should be worn on your wrist.
:roll:

DSs battery life should be bout 8 hours.

[YoshiM]

At this point I'm saying "neither". The PSP doesn't seem like it will appeal to me and the DS just seems to be receiving slightly updated versions of N64/Cube games.

[captain nintendo]

I normally would not even worry about cost of an item or items.
But the PSP is priced though the roof. And with dropping 1000 dollars on new goalie leg pads here this next week I dont want to buy a system I wont be able to buy games for. :o

Of course I am buying a DS because its Nintendo :P

[SegaTecToy]

Considering the previous history of Sony's hardware reliability and the price tag of the PSP I think it is too big of a risk to buy one soon. Maybe in three or four years after some hardware revisions.

The DS appears to have an interesting line of games. Probably I'll spend my money there.

[thehistorian]

IIRC the DS has two ARM proccesors a 9 and a 7..

With a ton of work you could potentially get M$'s Pocket PC software up and running on it...

Oh.... the irony there is just delicious and an urban legend in the making..

http://www.atariforce.com/AF/WinMobileDS.jpg

[Icarus Moonsight]

I'm going to have to side with Nintendo's DS. Nintendo IS the portable market and has had a majority foothold since the first gameboy system. Bottomline is, Nintendo has the track record and experience to make the DS a phenominal success. If it weren't for GT4 Portable I be saying "What the hell is a PSP?" I'm still baffled and bewildered how Sony was able to make the PS1 a top seller with stiff competition from 2 veteran companies like Nintendo and Sega. Perhaps the Sony-drones will make the PSP more popular than it deserves to be. Actually, I'd stake my life on it. :P

[Ed Oscuro]

Here we are again. Sony trying to create the be-all-end-all of portable entertainment while Nintendo focuses on a few good games. You'd think Sony would have learned something from tamagatchi
Actually, that is Bandai's Tamagotchi, which has appeared on systems from both manufacturers, and in Japan their latest version sold one million units in five months (up to 7/29 this year).

[thegreatescape]

Personally, the newest handheld i have is a gamegear, but i dont take it out of the house (i think of it more as a master system peripheral) so im in the market for a handheld. If the PSP is in my price range then ill grab one, but if its not affordable (highly likely as im an unemployed student) then i ll probably find something cheaper/older- e.g gp32 or ngpc.


I'm still baffled and bewildered how Sony was able to make the PS1 a top seller with stiff competition from 2 veteran companies like Nintendo and Sega.

Theres not much to it- sony just didnt do anything stupid. If they keep playing the game with their brains instead of their track record (unlike nintendo) i cant see them failing in this arena. Id say Sony has enough experience from their portable audio devices and home consoles to make them a real threat to nintendos last stronghold.

Heres hoping for good, affordable games all around ;)

[Sylentwulf]

Da system X is da $Ux0Rz. I will buy the best system and you all suck..

Just wanted to fit in.

ahem, I won't buy either untilk they come way down in price, have the bugs worked out, etc... When they're both under $100 I'll pick whichever one has the games I want to play most.
I can't understand why ANYONE would do any different, but to each their own.

[EnemyZero]

all the stores ive been to have a price of 149.99 for ds, im def getting ds on launch...the last fun i had on a launch day was for the dreamcast 100% ds all the way, if the psp is stil around after a year and the hardware is still intact maybe i will buy one if the price drops

[Pedro Lambrini]

I'm going to be importing a DS from the States as soon as it's released, I really can't wait :-P

I think even if half the games are old rehashes and the other half are a bit rubbishy it's only the beginning and a lot more will come out further down the line. I also think the actual H/W is a hell of a lot more original than the PSP which is just old rehashed PSX/2. And originality should always be welcomed and supported! :D

[Captain Wrong]

Prediction #1...the first run of PSP has some manufacturing flaw that only gets worked out after the first year. Sony never admits the problem and early adopters are left to hope their unit doesn't develop the problem.

Prediction #2...the DS is going to have some idiotic design issue or some missing feature that won't make the thing unuseable, but will make it a lot less enjoyable to use. Nintendo never admits the problem and early adopters are left to either buy the DS SP or try to suffer through with a third party solution that never quite fixes the problem.


So...in other words, neither.

[tholly]

i voted both...but, i have to see what the price is like....if i can only get one due to cost, it will be the DS....but, based on how much free time i have, there may be little need to get either right away, so i may just wait until a good package deal comes up or the price goes down...

[Pedro Lambrini]

Prediction #1...the first run of PSP has some manufacturing flaw that only gets worked out after the first year. Sony never admits the problem and early adopters are left to hope their unit doesn't develop the problem.

Prediction #2...the DS is going to have some idiotic design issue or some missing feature that won't make the thing unuseable, but will make it a lot less enjoyable to use. Nintendo never admits the problem and early adopters are left to either buy the DS SP or try to suffer through with a third party solution that never quite fixes the problem.


So...in other words, neither.

Ouch! Has anyone ever told you you're a wee bit cynical!? :P

[SegaTecToy]

Prediction #1...the first run of PSP has some manufacturing flaw that only gets worked out after the first year. Sony never admits the problem and early adopters are left to hope their unit doesn't develop the problem.

Prediction #2...the DS is going to have some idiotic design issue or some missing feature that won't make the thing unuseable, but will make it a lot less enjoyable to use. Nintendo never admits the problem and early adopters are left to either buy the DS SP or try to suffer through with a third party solution that never quite fixes the problem.


So...in other words, neither.

Ouch! Has anyone ever told you you're a wee bit cynical!? :P

The cynicals are always right... ;)

[thehistorian]

Just to stir the pot a little...

GameSpot posted a interesting little trinket today about the DS:

Nintendo DS invites free voice-over-IP chat (http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/08/31/news_6106106.html)
In its Electronic Entertainment Industry Update released today, TNI Securities reports that the recently revealed headset port on the Nintendo DS will be used in conjunction with the built-in wireless 802.11b networking capabilities to offer voice-over-IP chat--in effect, allowing gamers to use the DS to make free phone calls at wireless network hotspots.

[Pedro Lambrini]

And there's also this report alluding to disappointment from folks at a PSP conference:

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/02/news_6106399.html

Although, I can't, in all honesty, see Sony being so stupid as to release something with the reported 2 hour life span that's being thrown about all over the place. I actually remember at the very beginning of the PSP hype thang that battery life was going to be around 12 hours when gaming and 2 hours when watching a movie...

I still think UMD is going to be shite though (yet more sony proprietory crud, along with ATRAC and SMS sticks and Memory cards and..........)

[kainemaxwell]

Why would I want to wear a battery pak on my wrist for the PSP?!

[Black Dragon]

I had been into DS since E3 and I think that the DS will change the way of handheld gaming for a long time till 2009 or 2011, the PSP sadly will become the VB of sony hell if u look at PSP forums at sony the "sony fanboys" there even say the DS is better than the PSP in polls!!!!!!!!!! Also the PSP has awful battery life and its not backwords compatible like the DS and the PSP games are going to be like $50!!! @_@

[soniko_karuto]

burn!





burn in hell system devastators!!!

let's look at it this way.

I have every ridge/rage racer released on every console. i need the new one.

I have every mario released. I need the new one.


let's not fight over this shall we?

[Ed Oscuro]

...allowing gamers to use the DS to make free phone calls at wireless network hotspots.
Wow, that's a cool idea! Maybe not exactly a mobile phone, but pretty close.

On the other hand, about the PSP:


The images looked slightly rougher than those shown at the US GDC in March, falling somewhere between a PS2 and an original PlayStation in quality.
I don't care if it's handheld or not - PS2 games are already long in the tooth and I'm sick of Sony's lackluster graphics. I don't care if it's portable and using 1/200th the power of a PS2, that's just sad. Seeing how the system doesn't really have much else going for it outside of their developers (faithful thus far, mostly), I'm getting worried about Sony's chances in this endeavor.

[Zubiac666]

Why would I want to wear a battery pak on my wrist for the PSP?!

Holy crap!I even think the "on wrist be worn"-batterypack is the only battery for PSP.Nah....this can't be.

source:
IGN (http://psp.ign.com/articles/526/526211p1.html)


According to the article, the PSP battery pack is meant to be worn on players' wrists -- we're not sure how this works, considering that the battery was nearly the size of the PSP at E3 (the article mentions that the final version will be 8mm thick)Running time of either the battery pack or the system itself was not discussed.
http://pspmedia.ign.com/psp/image/article/516/516008/e3-2004-accessory-pics-20040515054647591.jpg

L.O.L

[petewhitley]

It's amusing to me that the general opinion in the Digital Press forums is quite the opposite of the on-the-record opinions of most major game developers. Hmmm ...

[Fuyukaze]

While I voted for the DS, honstly it will be neither at the launch. There are so many great games I need to get for my colection and a new system just isnt worth it. Playing my GBA games on the DS sounds great but I have never been a big fan of portable systems. I will probly wait untill the price has dropped below 100$ for the DS and pick it up then. The PSP? Its Sony so I expect some level of sucsess. Enough to make Nintendo sweat? Not in this lifetime. Nintendo has beat every single company to ever try entering that market. Atari (lynx), Sega(nomad, gamegear), Bandai(wanderswan), NeoGeo, and many others. It didnt matter if the graphics of the other systems was better. It didnt matter if the game systems had better specs. It didnt matter if the game system could be played in the dark and showed more then 2 colors. Nintendo is still around in the handheld market and the others are for the most part not. I do look forward to the competition though as I think both companies could use a good kick to the pants here and there.

[Pedro Lambrini]

It's amusing to me that the general opinion in the Digital Press forums is quite the opposite of the on-the-record opinions of most major game developers. Hmmm ...

I think you could say the same regarding the Saturn and DC. The developers walked but everybody here loves these systems!

As far as the 'free phone call' thing on the DS goes, doesn't the PSP have the same technology?

On the gfx front, the PSP is somewhere between PS1 and PS2? Well, from what I've seen the DS seems to sit somewhere between the N64 and GC. I know which I would rather look at for hours on the bus!

[ianoid]

The price on neither will be under $100 in 4 years. But we're here at Digital Press, Gamers with Patience. Your price barrier will always be broken, eventually- with enough hunting and waiting.

I think that the DS could make for a cool RPG console with the touch screen for inventory. There must be good puzzle games to come of it. Seems like Nintendo is pulling out the stops for connectivity, whereas on Gamecube connectivity is more for collectors.

If PSP is the next Virtual Boy, then I won't be bummed to have one. Too bad Sony doesn't give up easily. I think I just like the thing because it looks alot like a Lynx. If only it played Lynx games...

[Zerothis]

Here we are again. Sony trying to create the be-all-end-all of portable entertainment while Nintendo focuses on a few good games. You'd think Sony would have learned something from tamagatchi
Actually, that is Bandai's Tamagotchi, which has appeared on systems from both manufacturers, and in Japan their latest version sold one million units in five months (up to 7/29 this year).
Ya I know. Quiick history recap:
Nintendo approched Phillips to create a CD-ROM drive for Super Nintendo. Phillips wanted to make a little more than a simple add-on drive and the two ideas on what the add-on should be diverged, followed by the two companies.
Nintendo then approched Sony, who was even worse than Phillips in their mad scientists ideas about making an all-in-one-do-it-all-set-top-box. Nintendo humored them and maybe even listened a little bit about expanding the unit's features beyond gaming alone. Untill they relised Sony was thinking about making a stand alone unit with the name 'Nintendo' stuck on it. Nintendo told 'em they could stick the name in an unseen place (unlike Phillips, they did) and another stratigic allience crumbled.
Nintendo finnally decided to go it alone. They had leftover bits from two previous projects and had trouble letting it all go in favor of making a system just for game on cartridges. Because cartridges are better for games, always will be.
Suddenly out of nowhere, Bandai's Tamagotchi is everywhere in Japan. A game system with a few monocolor pixels is breaking sales records in such an unbelieveable way that Shigeru Miyamoto decided there wouldn't be any more Mario games.
Sony pressed on promising DVD's, Internet browsing, funky periferals, a keyboard and whatever it took to fill everyone's total entertainment needs. Many people purchased PSXs expecting Sony to meet these promises. Instead Sony simply flooded the market with tons of titles knowing that expensive cartridge manufacturing just couldn't produce as fast as inexpensive CD manufacturing.
Out of all this madness a decision was finally made at Nintendo to KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid). Miyamoto reconsidered that Mario was not quite a lost cause. And Nintendo hunkered down to create a machine that just played games. The Nintendo64 was simple and powerfull, didn't browse the Internet, didn't play DVD's, didn't have robotic periferals, didn't need a keyboard. The N64 is probabley the most eficently designed console the public will ever see, next to Tamagotchi of course.

Especially since the SNES, Nintendo has kept to a startigy of making games. If its not good for games they tend to avoid it. Sony just keeps pressing on with all encompasing goals. The PSP has poor battery life because Sony wants a design that'll allow massive amounts of bulky content on thier discs. Music, Video, Internet chat software, Persoanl music library software. Who know all the monstrocities their mad sciensists are dreaming up. Nintendo DS will have voice-over-ip *if* it is good for games, an onscreen keyboard *if* it is good for games, content download *if* it is good for games. So what if NDS has another Zelda remake, it needs it. Every Zelda game has always been in need of atleast two screens and its about time they finnaly did it right. Sony, on the other hand. They are tring to accomplish things as fast as they can, and before they know what its for, they patented it, packaged it and slap it on a plastic lunch box. And then they'll sell it. They're so preoccupied with what they can do, they don't stop to think if it actually good for games. I can just imagine some employee at Sony: "We designed this portable unit that does everything a PSX does and more. I don't think it will sell in Pioria, unless we send them a million units and create a dozen new games every week. GO! GO! GO! MOVE! MOVE! MOVE!"

Sony is in serious need of a motivational speaker to hold up a Tamagotchi infront of the whole company and say "This is what a best selling portable game system looks like. Notice there is no DVD slot, no keyboard, no robot dog attached to it, it doesn't save your music for you, its doesn't have a remote control, no camera attached, it doesn't recognise your voice and the battery last about two years."

[thegreatescape]

Zerothis pleeease dont take this personally, but that was a lesson in KISSing nintendo ass :P

I had a tamagotchi once.
The class had tamagotchis.
Mine was the only one she threw against the wall.
We laughed in her office.
I realised they are more than games to some people.
I realised they are less than games to me.

/beatnik (and too long to be a haiku, damn!)

EDIT: PSP to use S3TC. (http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1015770680267667/) Neato.

[Pedro Lambrini]

The thing most amazing about this thread and plenty others all over the net is the amount of talk on PSP battery life. It seems to be taken as fact that it's battery life is 2 hours or so. The fact is, except some people at Sony, nobody knows anything about the battery life.

I am not a fan of Sony or it's digital convergence ideals but I think there is a lot of unfounded bias about this.

BTW if you really want the PSP to fail don't bemoan the potential battery problem. That way if it is really bad then Sony will release it and nobody will buy it! If everyone rants about it they may well fix the problem before release (if there is a problem!) :D

[le geek]

I will wait and see, but I lean towards the DS as I already have a PS2 and am not that psyched to have a portable one. It depends on the reviews and the games at launch.

As usual (cue broken record)

The neo geo pwns my wallet right now, so retail launch prices donna looka sahgood, boss :D

My next system purchase may be an Xbox tho...

Cheers,
Ben

[badinsults]

I still see little point in debating which of these still unreleased systems will be better. How many of you have played a DS? Or how about a PSP? Exactly.