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Geddon_jt
09-07-2004, 09:30 AM
This has been on my mind the past few weeks.

I don't intend to open up the collector vs. gamer debate here. Let me just preface by saying I am about 50/50. I think there are a lot of people in my shoes on the board - people with tons of games that you INTEND to play, and probably will get to one day, but maybe haven't had the time to yet. Because you are too busy finding new games to buy. :)

Anyway, there has been a problem plaguing my local thrifting/fleaing exploits lately. I think I give off some sort of scent that gives my "collecting" habits away to these independent game dealers. I walk in and start browsing the racks, and almost instantly, I can tell - the jig is up.

This can manifest itself a number of ways.

STORY 1
I was in a store the other day and I asked specifically if they had VALKYRIE PROFILE for PSX. This happens to be a game I've wanted to play for some time, but it also happens to be a pretty hot collectible PSX game at the moment. The guy said yeah, I have it at home, and I'll get it again eventually, so I'll bring it in and sell it to you for $20. Of course, I said great!

I gave him a week or so to bring it in from home and I asked him about it, and he told me "geez man, I was pulling it off my shelf, and I just said to myself, I don't know - I haven't played this one yet, but then again, I have a lot of games I haven't gotten to playing yet. I just don't know." Wishy washiness aside, I felt like he was pressing me to tell him something along the lines of, "gee sir, if you sell it to me, I'm going right home and I'm going to play it all day and all night! It has a good home with me, someone who will really appreciate it!" Which certainly wouldn't be true. I want to play it, but who knows when that will actually happen. So, I ended up saying "It's up to you, whatever you want." I'm going back this week, but I'm not holding my breath.

STORY 2
There is a local store around me which is run by a pretty unfriendly guy who operates his store in a massive state of denial. He has a personal slogan that he loves to expunge at any opportunity: "games are for playing." (Yeah, that's true. In the meantime, I will buy every single $15 Harvest Moon you put on your shelf.)

Anyway, If you pick up a super low-priced rare game but it happens to be crappy, watch out - he just won't understand what you are doing. He's a gabby guy, so I prepare myself when I walk into his store to justify whatever I purchase based on how long I have wanted to "play" it and what a "fun" game it is, which may or may not be true. It's ridiculous for me to feel this way, but if my only reason for buying a game is because its way underpriced, he probably wouldn't sell it to me!

STORY 3
I once found a CIB NES Peek A Boo Poker at a local flea market under a box of Genesis carts. It was $20. After I purchased it and began walking away, the sweet old lady working there said "I hope you make a lot of money off it on ebay," which is, in fact, exactly what I did.

I have since come to know these dealers well, and they have a long list of things I am looking for and are glad to chat it up and help me out when I stop by. They make no bones about my collecting habits, and they don't interrogate me on WHY I want a game if I am asking them for it. Perfect.

These are just a few examples. I guess my point is, I often feel pressured these days to act like I'm 100% ignorant of game value and my only intent is to play these games when I walk into these places. Otherwise, they put me through the ringer. This post may be a bit ridiculous, but I thought I would post all this up and open it for discussion.

Icarus Moonsight
09-07-2004, 10:58 AM
Perhaps with all the auctioning of games going on at eBay which is a somewhat recent thing. These smaller merchants are really feeling it where it counts, finances. Say you run your own game store, you have established competition, GameStop, EB, GameCrazy, local chains and what-have-you. So you decide to undersell your competition to allure customers and give your store a competitive standing with the big boys. Then you have overhead, that includes rent, utilities, cost of operation, permits and other officiaries and maybe payroll for a PT helper or two. Put in this situation I'd be pretty hacked-off as well if someone came into my store and bought a game for $20 that later that week went for sale on eBay for $70-$90. You couldn't sell the game in your store for that price, it would scare the bejezuz outta casual-player customers, thus alienating your clientel. Not a good idea for a small business! You could sell it yourself on eBay and score the loot, but if you pull all your quality goods off the shelf to sell on the internet you'll just be undermining the selling strength of your store thus losing even more customers. You could close your store and sell exclusively on the internet, well thats a bad idea as well, because you lose the impulse buyers and the casual customers that are happy buying a not-so-popular game for $5 that you couldn't sell for $.01 free shipping on ebay. You also lose your store which for most (not all) owners of a store would be the end of a dream. It's just a give some lose some deal. So cut the guys some slack... they got their grapes in a vise man... can't you see?!?! O_O

Does anyone else have any thoughts on this subject?
Damn my head hurts... I need some coffee... :-P YUM!
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sisko
09-07-2004, 11:12 AM
I've had the same thing happen to me several times. Then again, it could be because I am sifting through a digitized version of the DP guides on my Palm.

:D

Nez
09-07-2004, 11:13 AM
Happend here a couple of times but only when I'm buying shit games.

TheRedEye
09-07-2004, 11:23 AM
Collectors smell like Chili Cheese Fritos.

Oobgarm
09-07-2004, 11:48 AM
Collectors smell like Chili Cheese Fritos.

But the true question is: Do they taste like them? Or is it a fancy facade to lure you in, only to discover that they taste like ripe ass?

Aussie2B
09-07-2004, 01:48 PM
And Chili Cheese Fritos smell like... well, I'll leave that to the imagination... but let's just say that it's something else that's cheesy...

Doesn't stop me from eating them, though. ^_^ The former, not the latter... haha.

Dobie
09-07-2004, 08:18 PM
I encounter this on and off when I search for games, but I have a strategy that hasn't failed me yet. I play dumb. I act like I don't know what the hell I'm buying, or I'm buying it just because "its sounds really weird--I'd like to try it." I run into other collectors occasionally at game stores and flea markets and whatnot, but I don't think any of them are even aware that I collect games. I don't take lists, I leave games I don't need behind (occasionally even if they could be good trade bait) , and I hardly ever chat about games to the people working the counter.

I do everything I can do to give myself an advantage when it comes to offering up a price. I figure the less I let them know about my knowledge of games, the better.

JJNova
09-07-2004, 08:27 PM
Perhaps with all the auctioning of games going on at eBay which is a somewhat recent thing. These smaller merchants are really feeling it where it counts, finances. Say you run your own game store, you have established competition, GameStop, EB, GameCrazy, local chains and what-have-you. So you decide to undersell your competition to allure customers and give your store a competitive standing with the big boys. Then you have overhead, that includes rent, utilities, cost of operation, permits and other officiaries and maybe payroll ...(and so forth)

I generally try to make my posts thought provoking, and opinionated, and try not to succumb to becoming a "Yes-Man". But I have to thoroughly agree with you here and thank you for making a valid point describing the other side of this conversation.

Someone else mentioned in here that they sift through their Palm while shopping in the stores...Which, I didnt know there was a DP download guide, but I have a price guide from another source on my laptop...and I do a similar thing. I should put it on the palm though. WOuld be less suspicious

max 330 mega
09-07-2004, 08:34 PM
ive found in my own experiences, that when i go to different shops to immediately establish myself as a highly knowledgable collector... it seems to scare the places around where i live, and they actually offer me better prices than they would the average gamer, at first i did the whole "im oblivious to valuable games i just want games that look cool" but once the local stores started noticing i was picking up all there odd titles they didnt seem to mind, they actually started cutting me deals because they knew i would most likely be back next week..... guaranteed buyer i guess. because as far as i know im one of maybe 3 collectors at most. at gamecrazy just by chatting it up with the employee he got me a mint copy of house of the dead for free! not to mention a copy of shining force in box ;)

-hellvin-
09-07-2004, 08:35 PM
I just shrug it off and make them do the only thing they can, ring up my stupid game.

Porkchop
09-07-2004, 08:40 PM
It the games you buy that tips them off. The normal person (non-collector) comes in and buys a Super Mario or Mega Man not a Quarttro Sports or BB Babes.

Why don't you try buying a Super Mario each time you go and talk about how much fun you had as a kid playing it on you NES. Then you can slip in a couple of the collectable games saying I never saw this when I was a kid is it any good? LOL

Berserker
09-07-2004, 08:44 PM
Tell them you're buying it because it makes pretty colors when you burn it.

What business is it of theirs?

qbertandernie
09-07-2004, 11:19 PM
this isnt really related, but i know some kids that save up their money and tell the store owner they are jehovahs witnesses and are buying the porn dvds he has to 'rid the world of this filth' buy burning them...

dumbass sells to them too....

i just thought this an intelligent way for kids to buy porn. like i siad, not related. carry on...

max 330 mega
09-07-2004, 11:20 PM
that is truely hilarious

punkoffgirl
09-07-2004, 11:54 PM
Collectors smell like Chili Cheese Fritos.

But the true question is: Do they taste like them? Or is it a fancy facade to lure you in, only to discover that they taste like ripe ass?

I dun know, but you let me know the next time a game store owner tries to get a taste of your ass.

hu6800
09-08-2004, 12:36 AM
Im niether ,
Im some guy that has been buying games since i was 10 and my first job was in an arcade.
Just so happens i kept alot of games i picked up over the years .
I play games to finish them (beat) then i put them in my closet.

Im not some f#*#ing "trend collector" or "hey look at me! i played a saturn game today and i wanted you all to know im cool!" kinda person.

Im the kinda person that see's a used sega CDX and picks it up cheap so i
can play SNATCHER or Soulstar before i go to bed .