Games That Didn't Really Age Well

[Richter Belmount]

imo , chrono cross

[SoulBlazer]

Huh? That game is STILL quite a blast to play and looks decent.

I'm sure other people can think of a million games, but I'm just going to say the the older 3D games for the 3DO, PlayStation, and Saturn. The first Tomb Raider, as a example. Ick.

[jerkov]

The first two Gran Turismos. I can't believe I was so impressed by these graphics back when they first came out; GT3 is a HUGE, HUGE improvement. They're still fun to play (especially GT2, since it has about 5 times the cars that GT3 does), but the graphics have not aged well at all - actually, this can be said about a lot of PS1 games.

[MegaDrive20XX]

Battle Arena Toshinden...was an awesome series...but what went wrong?

[Dahne]

The original Star Fox sure looks hella ugly now. LOL

[whoisKeel]

are we talking graphically?

if not, i don't think the 1st tomb raider isn't all that bad a game, did a great job bringing the persia/flashback/oddworld genre to 3d, and i stick to that. unfortunately they ran the series into the ground, and yes, the graphics suck.

i don't mind the starfox graphics that much either, and it is still an incredibly fun game for me.

games that didn't age well for me:
mortal kombat (duh)
ikari warriors
final fight
metal gear solid series (i know i'm probably alone on this, but i couldn't even sit through the 2nd one)
gta3 (already)

[davidbrit2]

I was JUST thinking about this earlier today. My vote goes to Loaded for PS1. It was the shit when I first played it, and now it's a bit more like just shit. Ha ha.

[PhoeniX]

Any 2600 game... [dodges onslaught of angrily thrown objects]

Seriously, I have tried to get into the 2600, sure they're are a few jewels I do like adventure and actually really enjoy Berzerk, but the ratio of good/crap games is astounding. This deficit of worth while games always confounded me, people often speak with optimistic nestalgia about the VCS. I tried to like it, tried to get into it, first I bought and played nearly every game from the DP top 25 atari games as well nearly 200 other games in my collection, there are maybe 10 games that I would ever voluntarily play again.

[-hellvin-]

I disagree with Chrono Cross. I played this about 8 months ago and thought it was a great lookin psx game. My vote would go to perfect dark. I never played it back when I got my 64, and I don't see what's so special about it today. Just looks bad if you ask me.

[Querjek]

Any 2600 game... [dodges onslaught of angrily thrown objects]

Seriously, I have tried to get into the 2600, sure they're are a few jewels I do like adventure and actually really enjoy Berzerk, but the ratio of good/crap games is astounding. This deficit of worth while games always confounded me, people often speak with optimistic nestalgia about the VCS. I tried to like it, tried to get into it, first I bought and played nearly every game from the DP top 25 atari games as well nearly 200 other games in my collection, there are maybe 10 games that I would ever voluntarily play again.
I agree, although I like the Atari 2600 for its "uniqueness" of graphics.

[Graham Mitchell]

Dynamite Duke for the Genesis, and a whole slew of shooters for the Amiga (Agony comes to mind.)

[TRM]

Atari 2600. Sure I didn't grow up with this, but I could not get into 3/4 of the games that I had. Maybe it is just because I am too young for the 2600, but I did like the Colecovision.

Mario 64. That game looks horrid compared to some of the other games.

[YoshiM]

In general, at least with me, it can be hard to get into a last-gen 3D game after getting spoiled by today's games. With 2D games we did see better graphics when we went from 8 bit to 16 bit but the games were still pretty much the same so stepping back to play a really neat sounding NES (like Super Mario 3) when you also had a Genesis or TG-16 wasn't that bad.

3D, on the other hand, is a totally different ballgame. Unlike 2D where stepping back usually meant less colors and maybe more slow down, going back a gen in 3D can mean clunkier characters and backgrounds, slower frame rates (which can skew a sense of reality: most notable in racing games where there can be a lack of perception in regards to speed) and environmental fogging or massive "pop up" (which can hinder gameplay by obscuring oncoming obstacles or enemies until you are right on them: good example is the first Turok game). Going from Burnout 3 to say Beetle Adventure Racing or 1080 Avalanche to the original 1080 is a massive night and day difference in visuals, handling and speed.

When I want to play the N64 and if I recently played the Xbox or Cube, I sometimes have to wait a day for the effects of whatever game I was playing wear off before I dive into that system's titles. Doesn't happen often but I have run into occasions where I sit down to Excitebike 64 and it feels as though I'm trying to speed through molasses.

[vintagegamecrazy]

Pretty much anything on the 3DO for me, all of the games are so grainy and slow and just boring.

Others for me
Super Mario Kart SNES, Its still enjoyable gameplay wise but the graphics are so slow.
Star Fox, Same as above

Super Off Road Baja
Dirt Trax FX
King of the Monsters I and II for SNES. Absolutely loved them back then but now their aweful.

[Nez]

Bushido Blade aged very badly, the kill spots seem far too random.

John Madden football, (Apple II) Madden 2004 blows it away! X_x

[Sylentwulf]

Pretty much anything that came out in the first year of the playstation looks like crap now. First gen 3D graphics are REALLY BAD.

[evilmess]

A lot of the first gen 3D stuff hasn't aged very well at all.

32x: T-Mek, Metal Head, Motocross Championship
Saturn: Tomb Raider, High Velocity, Need For Speed, Magic Carpet and Hi Octane just to name a few.

And it's been years since I've seen a Jag or 3DO title but I would imagine that many of the games especially the 3d titles for those systems haven't aged well either.

Star Fox and other early games that used flat polygons (Virtua Racing, Virtua Fighter, Shadow Squadron) are games that I still like and I feel that those titles held up much better than the nasty texture mapped stuff that soon followed, see list above.

[Sibs]

Pretty much anything that came out in the first year of the playstation looks like crap now. First gen 3D graphics are REALLY BAD.

I agree. All of the first 3D games from Playstation, N64, and the Saturn just don't look as good as they did when I first played them.

[Cmosfm]

TRM....Mario 64! O_O

Anyways, I'd say that Hard Drivin' and Bubsy 3D are 2 games that need to be added to this list.

[kevincure]

Someone mentioned Mario 64 as an example of a game that didn't age well? Wtf? I say that no only has it held up well over the years, it's also the single best console game ever made.

Games that didn't hold up well: 16-bit EA games (aside from the NHL series) are what comes to mind immediately. Used to love these, now they're almost unplayable.

[8-Bit Master]

I'll agree about the early Playstation and Saturn games. They haven't aged well at all. Some of them are still fun to play, but almost all of them look like crap.

The N64's early titles have held up with more success. In my opinion Super Mario 64, Star Fox 64, Mario Kart 64, etc.... have aged beautifully.

[Gamereviewgod]

Well, I didn't like Mario 64 when it first came out, so I'd definitely pick that one as well.

Otherwise, Altered Beast. The voice, the detail! The terrible gameplay, the choppy scrolling!

[Ed Oscuro]

I disagree violently with all the posts before Vintagegamecrazy. One second while I get my blood up, please LOL

Older system graphics really don't bother me...I didn't think the original Xtreme G (N64) looked very good at all when I tried it out a few months ago, but on the other hand I didn't feel out of place with it...eh

[Atarileaf]

Bubsy 3D

I think that falls under the "always was crap, always will be crap" category. ;)

[Aswald]

Many Atari 2600 games, I'm afraid, even the ones we thought were really good when they first came out.

[Dr. Morbis]

I think that the games that shoot for realism, graphics-wise, don't age well at all compared to 'cartoony' games. As a result, in 10 years most of the N64 and PS1 library will look like junk due to the 3D realism that the designers were shooting for. An old-school example: Ice Hockey on nes has aged much better than Blades of Steel because BoS went for realism, Ice Hockey didn't. Both games are still a lot of fun to play, but BoS looks like crap while Ice Hockey shines (graphically) in my opinion.

[o2william]

I think that the games that shoot for realism, graphics-wise, don't age well at all compared to 'cartoony' games.

This is an excellent observation and one I completely agree with. I've noticed that games I used to think of as looking realistic now look cheesy, but "cartoony" games just look stylized.

As an answer to this thread, I nominate the Catacomb games, the extremely early FPS series from id. Catacomb Abyss 3-D was so new and exciting when it first came out, I literally played it for something like 14 hours in one sitting. But Wolfenstein and Doom improved on the genre so much, the Catacomb games seem pretty bland now. (I still like the time-stopper attack in Abyss, though.)

[Berserker]

For me, games on the N64 have stood the test of time a little better since they incorperated a little of the 3D accelerated smoothiness. Granted, the low resolution of the textures make things look pretty blurry, but I find it much more tolerable than the low-res pixeliness of the earlier playstation games.

And of course, good graphics will never make up for lame gameplay.

[Graham Mitchell]

For me, games on the N64 have stood the test of time a little better since they incorperated a little of the 3D accelerated smoothiness. Granted, the low resolution of the textures make things look pretty blurry, but I find it much more tolerable than the low-res pixeliness of the earlier playstation games.

And of course, good graphics will never make up for lame gameplay.

Agreed. N64 games held up due to the anti-aliasing. Does anybody else find the color palette a little wierd with the N64? The colors are really bright, and it does a disservice to games like Goldeneye and Castlevania 64.

[Ed Oscuro]

For me, games on the N64 have stood the test of time a little better since they incorperated a little of the 3D accelerated smoothiness. Granted, the low resolution of the textures make things look pretty blurry, but I find it much more tolerable than the low-res pixeliness of the earlier playstation games.

And of course, good graphics will never make up for lame gameplay.

Agreed. N64 games held up due to the anti-aliasing. Does anybody else find the color palette a little wierd with the N64? The colors are really bright, and it does a disservice to games like Goldeneye and Castlevania 64.
I thought the Depot level dark as can be, and some of the textures in the CV games were intentionally very bright (i.e. brass textures). Otherwise, it seemed pretty muddy overall to me. It's an effect I like, though.

[Richter Belmount]

Heh perfect dark was actually one of the few n64 games i play still (along with mischief makers)

[Iron Draggon]

The original Daytona USA for Saturn. What the hell were they thinking? Was it really that necessary for them to rush the release of the system and this game in particular as a launch title that they just had to release this obviously unfinished game at launch in an effort to sell more systems? Fortunately, the Championship Circuit Edition was released later to correct this huge blunder, but the damage had already been done. IMO, the release of Daytona USA in it's hyper-rushed unfinished state and the audacity to still charge $50 for it anyway, rather than just include it as a pack-in demo or something was very largely responsible for the Saturn never really catching on here in the US.

Sony wasn't that stupid, so when the PS came out a few months later and all the highly polished launch titles blew away the highly rushed launch titles of the Saturn, it was simply no contest. Sony was gonna kill Sega on brand recognition anyway, and they knew it, so they should've just taken their time and released the Saturn on the original planned release date instead of rushing it out the door several months early just to be first and pissing off pretty much everyone in the process. They shot themselves and all that they had worked so hard for in the foot with that blunder, and it only got worse for them after that. They did so much wrong and so little right that it boggles the mind why Sega of Japan didn't just disown Sega of America and revoke all their licenses. I'm sure that they probably wanted to do just that.

Sega of America passed on so many titles that were considered unpassable by both gamers and the press, starting with the last days of the Genesis and Treasure's awesome Alien Soldier for example, that it's a miracle they didn't end up having to get out of the hardware business before the Dreamcast was released. If they hadn't beaten everyone to market with that one too, they probably never would've sold any of them. But the Dreamcast was different, they actually had finally learned from most of their mistakes by then, but it was too little too late. Most people simply didn't trust them anymore, and that's why the Dreamcast failed too. So it's really all Sega of America's fault for screwing up everything for Sega of Japan. They became so arrogant after the success of the Genesis that they thought they could do no wrong, and that was their biggest mistake. They committed suicide, not hari-kiri, and Daytona USA for Saturn is just one example that proves it.

[racecar]

snks attemp at the 3d market, holy crap ! that was some freaky shit (fatal fury-wild ambition, samurai showdown (3d)

[racecar]

snks attemp at the 3d market, holy crap ! that was some freaky shit (fatal fury-wild ambition, samurai showdown (3d) .They have one(KOF) coming out for the ps2, snk should stick with 2D

[Ed Oscuro]

There were some KoF games/Fatal Fury stuff with 3D rendered backgrounds/title graphics thrown in. Ugh, those look bad too.

We'll have to see how that PS2 game turns out...heh.

[LiquidX01]

Battle Arena Toshinden...was an awesome series...but what went wrong?

God, I just beat that game again in minutes yesturday.

[MegaDrive20XX]

Battle Arena Toshinden...was an awesome series...but what went wrong?

God, I just beat that game again in minutes yesturday.


Hell I loved the soundtracks to the BAT series 1 and 2 especially, pretty solid stuff...but it's like Takara or whomever was in charge of it dropped it like a bad habit after part 3

[Neonsolid]

Gone.

[alexkidd2000]

The 2nd Saturn Daytona was just as bad as the first. The pop-up was horid and the controls were nothing like daytona arcade. I remember feeling ripped harsh when i bought it.

[alexkidd2000]

And games that aged badly? Any FMV game on Sega CD haha.

[Chainsaw_Charlie]

FF7, The graphics suck compared to 8,9,10, X-2

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[Daniel Thomas]

I'll have to reluctantly agree with the first Daytona on Saturn. It's practically the definition of ugly; but then again, it always was. The upside was that the gameplay was far better than Ridge Racer on Playstation, even though RR looked far better.

There's always that thrill of 20-car crashes (which you can never do in games anymore), but Saturn Daytona looks awful.

As for a PSX game that aged badly, how about Toshinden? Looked great, but played poorly; give me Virtua Fighter or 2D Street Fighters instead.

[Canadian Psycho]

Donkey Kong Country

Everyone was in awe of the graphics in that game in 1994. Now, bleh.

[Jasoco]

I disagree with DKC. It still looks beautiful now. So :P

I also think Star Fox still has a sort of coolness to the graphics. Sure, 64 blew it away, but the original is a classic and I would still love a port of it on a portable. Whether it's the GBA or the DS. (I'd prefer the GBA, but the DS would work too especially with the correct number of buttons. Question is what to do with the bottom screen.)

[Aswald]

I've noticed that games based on movies usually do not age well. This is probably because they rely on the popularity of the movie to sell.

[Jasoco]

I've noticed that games based on movies usually do not age well. This is probably because they rely on the popularity of the movie to sell.GoldenEye 007 is still a kick-ass game today. And the Capcom and Virgin Disney games (Most of them) are becoming popular again because of Disney's special editions. (Aladdin is on October 10th! WOO HOO!! And the game follows shortly after.)

[Aswald]

What exactly do you do in Goldeneye?

[Mark III]

Virtua Fighter and Tekken are really hard to go back to now because of their primitive polygon graphics. I can't believe I used to think that looked good.

I find a lot of Sega Master System games have a lot more "flicker" than I remember when I had originally played them. Especially R-Type, the heart-snake in the second level is pretty much invisible from all the flickering.

[boatofcar]

MK, Primal Rage, just about any rendered (is that the right word?) fighting game like those look awful. I too disagree about Mario 64 though, I still think the game is beautiful.

[Famidrive-16]

yeah, i agree with the 3d comment. Hell the DKC games look great compared to early playstation and saturn titles.

also any game with photorealistic fighters (ie Mortal Kombat and way of the warrior)

[dethink]

In general, at least with me, it can be hard to get into a last-gen 3D game after getting spoiled by today's games. With 2D games we did see better graphics when we went from 8 bit to 16 bit but the games were still pretty much the same so stepping back to play a really neat sounding NES (like Super Mario 3) when you also had a Genesis or TG-16 wasn't that bad.

3D, on the other hand, is a totally different ballgame. Unlike 2D where stepping back usually meant less colors and maybe more slow down, going back a gen in 3D can mean clunkier characters and backgrounds, slower frame rates (which can skew a sense of reality: most notable in racing games where there can be a lack of perception in regards to speed) and environmental fogging or massive "pop up" (which can hinder gameplay by obscuring oncoming obstacles or enemies until you are right on them: good example is the first Turok game). Going from Burnout 3 to say Beetle Adventure Racing or 1080 Avalanche to the original 1080 is a massive night and day difference in visuals, handling and speed.

When I want to play the N64 and if I recently played the Xbox or Cube, I sometimes have to wait a day for the effects of whatever game I was playing wear off before I dive into that system's titles. Doesn't happen often but I have run into occasions where I sit down to Excitebike 64 and it feels as though I'm trying to speed through molasses.

i agree 100%...racers (at least non-arcade ones) and sports games seem to age the worst, as they're depended on the latest tech. realism is the point, and the point just can't be made on old hardware. the leap in physics (visuals not withstanding) from GT1/2 to GT3 renders the old ones unplayable. i used to think GT1 was SOOOO hard in some spots, and now it feels like ridge racer in comparison to 3. however, i can still throw down on outrun and pole position with no complaints.

any PS1 sports title looks like crap compared to the original madden and lakers vs. celtics on the genesis...

and then you had that jump from low-res to high res on the PS1. try going from ridge racer 4 to ridge racer revolution, and you won't even be able to tell what you're doing. LOL i tried pulling out jumping flash the other day, and couldn't play it because the low-resolution was so headache inducing and counter productive to gameplay at this point...

[stonic]

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[Anthony1]

I agree wholeheartedly with some of the takes, but I must say that I totally disagree with others.


For example, as cool as the old Atari 2600 games are, after playing them one time, just for the whole nostalga factor, then I don't really feel the need to play them again. Although I love the orginal Baseball game. The control you had when pitching the ball is really freaking cool. You could really fake people out with those pitches.

I think the games that absolutely aged the worst are the early polygon sports games. Like the first football and basketball and baseball and hockey, etc, etc, games that used Polygon players. When they first came out, they must have seemed really next level, but now, man they look like crap. Like the first Madden on the Nintendo 64. I remember when that game first came out, I thought it was totally awesome, but now it's so damn ugly. I will say however that people should try some of the first Playstation sports games that still used sprites. Especially NBA Live '96. Give that game a try. It used 2D sprites with 3D backgrounds. Same thing with Triple Play 97. 2D sprites and 3D backgrounds. The first two Maddens on the PSX also were Sprite based before going to polygons.


As for the Sega CD FMV games, I totally disagree. I think that those games are absolute classics now. Full Motion Video is totally dead, and nothing is going to bring it back, so these games no longer are a clear and present danger to the world of video games. You should really give Ground Zero Texas a try. Or Sewer Shark, or Night Trap. Those games are classics. I don't care what anybody says. Yes they are really corny, and really lame, but still very cool at the same time. They are cool in campy type of way.


As for Starfox and DKC, you must be smoking some very high quality crack. Those games are absolute freaking classics, and you should be ashamed of yourselves for thinking that!


Alot of people are talking trash about the early Playstation 3D games. I think you guys are totally wrong on this one. I'm absolutely loving the early Playstation right now. Even stuff like the first Twisted Metal and Toshinden. But I must say that I'm playing my early PSX stuff on a RGB monitor, and it's really cool to see these games in RGB. But playing a game like Ridge Racer is just awesome. The first Wipeout is amazing. You guys just need a RGB monitor.

[Brian_Provinciano]

In my opinion, none of the old 3D games have aged well, except for a few with REALLY good gameplay. I don't think they should've gone to the right to the Saturn/Playstation choppy 3D systems. There was still room for another next generation 2D console if it weren't for the PS pushing the 3D so much. I love solid, clear, colourful 2D graphics over choppy 3D any day. I would have loved to see a nice high resolution 2D console after the SNES.

[Ed Oscuro]

But playing a game like Ridge Racer is just awesome. The first Wipeout is amazing. You guys just need a RGB monitor.
I guess that shoebox I was using with colored string hung across it just doesn't cut it anymore, huh? Ha ha ha!

Anyhow, early PSX (early texture-mapped 3D games in general, actually) can be great fun if you can appreciate them.

@ Brian: Um...the Saturn did have a huge 2D library, and the PlayStation had CV:SotN.

The real problem, though, is that companies wanted to push 3D. The early 3D arcade games did pretty poorly, but their makers stuck by the concept all the same. Another issue is that there were a couple personal computers in Japan that could do perfect arcade ports, and while many of said ports were of late 1980s, early 1990s games, there really didn't seem like much more to be done. SNK stuck with their MVS/AES hardware, and added CD-ROM based systems.

In my estimation, we're better off as a result of the early 3D stuff, but that came with a price.

[Avenger]

pretty much every N64 game (bless its soul :P) and the first driver games

[fergojisan]

My sister and I got Human Cannonball in our first batch of 2600 games in 1981, and we played the hell out of it. But now I just can't stand it. We had Sky Diver then also. I went to my sister's for a party recently(I was the only over 30 person there), and she had the 2600 going, and those kids were rabid for Sky Diver. I couldn't believe it.

Ferg

[Neonsolid]

Gone.

[Dire 51]

The majority of the 2600 games I used to play in the early '80s have lost a lot of their appeal. Some of them just aren't fun to play anymore.

[The Manimal]

I think that the games that shoot for realism, graphics-wise, don't age well at all compared to 'cartoony' games. As a result, in 10 years most of the N64 and PS1 library will look like junk due to the 3D realism that the designers were shooting for. An old-school example: Ice Hockey on nes has aged much better than Blades of Steel because BoS went for realism, Ice Hockey didn't. Both games are still a lot of fun to play, but BoS looks like crap while Ice Hockey shines (graphically) in my opinion.

agreed.

also, blades of steel is very unrealistic in how the movement of the players is. you hit a player, and it is like bumper cars crashing.

[The Manimal]

also....


late period PS1 sports games look okay to me

NASCAR 2001 looks good still, as does MADDEN 2004 and NBA LIVE 2003.

[suppafly]

Anyways, I'd say that Hard Drivin' and Bubsy 3D are 2 games that need to be added to this list.

Bubsy 3d?? it NEVER was a good game...thus we cant say it didnt age well :band:

[MegaDrive20XX]

*pets my N64*.....don't listen to their lies...It'll be ok

*Super GnG has a hard time facing the music when it comes to realism in 3D*

[Fungus]

I got a Jaguar just because I read about the upcoming Alien vs. Predator. I bought the thing BEFORE the game was released, so my hopes were definately high.

I was not disappointed. I had never been so scared while playing a video game before in my life. I was so stressed out from fear that it sometimes carried over into my real life. I spent probably four straight weeks of every waking moment playing that game. Playing all three scenarios one right after the other, and then playing through them again.

Today, it's sooooo slow. It drives me nuts having to take ten seconds to turn around, not being able to jump, and not being able to save without the bad guys magically respawning.

[CartCollector]

Totally Rad. BOGUSLY uncool NES platformer just like the rest of 'em, dudes. Though it has a righteous noslagia factor... NOT!
I look at some of the newer games now like "Def Jam: Fight for NY" and "Get on da Mic" and think how badly those will age, too. I fell sorry for posterity.

[SirDrexl]

I definitely agree about the sports games. Not only do they look bad, but they are based on the same games, so to speak as the new titles, but the gameplay is a lot better in the new ones. At least with an old Mario or Sonic game the levels were different so it was a different game. With a sports game, you're playing the same game, but its much more limited and looks much worse. Compare the old Maddens with the passing windows where you were limited to 3 receivers (since the Genesis had only 3 buttons at first) to the new games where you not only can see everything that's going on in smooth 60 frames per second, but you can also throw to 4 or 5 different receivers, call audibles and hot routes, etc. Also, there are all the changes to the game like rule changes (2-point conversions for example), new teams, divisional realignments, and of course updated player rosters. Some people may like the older games for their simplicity, but most people who are into the sport will prefer the complexities of the new games.

Another thing that's kind of related is when other kinds of games are now available on newer systems. I can't see myself ever wanting to play the N64 Zelda games when I can play them on the bonus disc on the Gamecube with high-res graphics and less slowdown.

[Psyleid]

Gran Turismo 1 and 2

[ClassicGameTrader]

LOL, Don't know if anybody has metioned this yet but the "Make your own video" sega CD games really come to mind. Who wants to listen to good vibrations with grainy scd video and skid pants and shit.

[long_shawn_silver]

Many Atari 2600 games, I'm afraid, even the ones we thought were really good when they first came out.

Atrocity, Atrocity!! /throws the book at anti-atari folks :angry: ;) :D

[shoes23]

My vote goes for any SNES games that utilized the FX Chip (with the exception of Star Fox). I remember playing them back in the day and being amazed, but now I try to play Dirt Trax FX or even Out of this World on the SNES and :hmm: .

[FurinkanianFrood]

Games that play well shouldn't age in the overall sense. If a game seems to have aged there was something wrong to begin with. Some good examples have already come up here:

Gran Turismo is always awful. I hated it long before I had a problem with Sony.

Toshinden. (Kind of enjoyable, but meh.)

I personally get ticked off when people complain about early 3D games that play well. Especially Sega games. The 3D games on Saturn at least played better than 3D PS games, and later games proved that the Saturn could handle 3D quite well. Virtua Fighter on 32X and such is still good, the blockiness is a good alternative to shitty animation on many early 3D games.

I have to defend the Jaguar on the same basis. Iron Soldier, Battlemorph, and AvP are all still fun. I personally liked Cybermorph despite the draw distance.



The original Star Fox sure looks hella ugly now.


If you are referring to the Mythicon cart I heartily agree.... LOL

There is nothing wrong with the graphics of many 2600 games. Their simplicity should be appreciated, not maligned.

The junk that comes out these days often pales in comparison in terms of sheer playability. Abstraction isn't a flaw when coupled with superior gameplay.

Though they aren't bad games by any means, FF7 and MGS are both ugly as sin IMO.

Some early 3D games are admittedly quite ugly.



Not only do they look bad, but they are based on the same games, so to speak as the new titles, but the gameplay is a lot better in the new ones.


Sports games played much better back in the day. The newer (post mid 90's) Madden games are rubbish. The old one on Genesis were pure greatness. The gameplay was way different, and much better.



I can't see myself ever wanting to play the N64 Zelda games when I can play them on the bonus disc on the Gamecube with high-res graphics and less slowdown.


I haven't the words.....



Yeah i'll second altered beast dont know what i saw in that game years back.


Other than being short and simple what the hell is wrong with it?

Old racing games can be great. Super Sprint. Outrun. Super Burnout (Jag). Motoroader MC (PCE).

Since when were there many non arcadey racers back in the day? (Or are we talking about really recent stuff like Playstation?)



try going from ridge racer 4 to ridge racer revolution, and you won't even be able to tell what you're doing.


That's a heck of an exaggeration dude.

The control in DKC is slightly off, and Goldeneye gives me migraines somehow, but they are still nice games.



You should really give Ground Zero Texas a try. Or Sewer Shark, or Night Trap.


True. Very true. They are enjoyable to this day if you let them be. Though I personally would rather play digital comics/FMV fighters on PCFX, but I can understand most of what they are saying in those.....

As far as FMV games, I rather like Battle Heat on PCFX. Haven't managed to pick up the Tengai Makyo game yet.....

[Zadoc]

Virtua Racing, Virtua Fighter

[bangtango]

I'd say the TMNT games on the NES. I used to enjoy all three of them but they look and play pretty badly today.

Speaking of the NES, I always thought the Battletoads series sucked (and was a lame TMNT ripoff) but those games have also aged poorly.

[c0ldb33r]

My vote goes for any SNES games that utilized the FX Chip (with the exception of Star Fox). I remember playing them back in the day and being amazed, but now I try to play Dirt Trax FX or even Out of this World on the SNES and :hmm: .
Out of this World didn't use the FX chip. And it's graphics are still fantastic! The controls for the SNES version are a little sluggish but it still looks great.

[skaar]

Flashback for the Genesis is still very, very playable as well.

And it's evil. And mean. But fun.