DS priced and dated! check it out

[Ed Oscuro]

It would've been nice functionality. I'm hoping Nintendo did it to save money, not for some silly reason like seperating it from the GB/C/A line (which I can't really envision Nintendo doing in recent times).

It's not a killer, but it's always nice to be able to bring along those old GB games, you know. Maybe next time? Or are the original GB games going the way of Windows 95 OSR2 - unsupported?

[izret101]

Atari did it back in the day. ;) Yes and atari also GREATLY contributed to the market crash in 82 that took about 6 or so years to recouporate from. ;)

[izret101]

Bad news for peeps who want to play GBC and B&W GBY games on it and for those who want to play multiplayer GBA games

Nintendo announced that the Nintendo DS is not backward compatible with GameBoy or GameBoy Color games; all GameBoy Advance games will work on Nintendo DS in single player mode only.

http://www.the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm <- Source

And if this is true my point about Nintendo always screwing something up is true. Too bad im not that happy i was right about it...

Yes, it's a collosal screwup not to include a 30 year old processor and launch with only 300 or so titles. Dumb Nintendo.
Not to mention the fact that those dummies arnt supporting a 2 year old system. Sure you can play youre GBA titles on DS... but i hope you don't want to play with others.

[mycarsucks]

aaaaaaaaaaaa

[classicb]

too bad that there will be only 1 color when it launches. i guess silver and black is a good combo, but they should do a retro version or something cool. 8-)

like red and black LOL

[mycarsucks]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Ed Oscuro]

how about green and gold a la the green bay packers. LOL
Seaweed and cheese? "Winsconsin by the lakeshore" maybe. LOL

[Avenger]

Bad news for peeps who want to play GBC and B&W GBY games on it and for those who want to play multiplayer GBA games

Nintendo announced that the Nintendo DS is not backward compatible with GameBoy or GameBoy Color games; all GameBoy Advance games will work on Nintendo DS in single player mode only.

http://www.the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm <- Source

we have known this since E3 but thanks for the more up to date info....and think about this...they would have to add another processor which would be more expensive, and come on how many casual gamers actually play GB GBC games???? close to NONE, and if they really want to they can just get a GBC for like 10 bucks or just keep a hold of their gba, sp....yes us retro guys would like it to play the old stuff, but lets face it, GBC was one of the worst systems ever, its just not practical

[MegaDrive20XX]

Bad news for peeps who want to play GBC and B&W GBY games on it and for those who want to play multiplayer GBA games

Nintendo announced that the Nintendo DS is not backward compatible with GameBoy or GameBoy Color games; all GameBoy Advance games will work on Nintendo DS in single player mode only.

http://www.the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm <- Source

we have known this since E3 but thanks for the more up to date info....and think about this...they would have to add another processor which would be more expensive, and come on how many casual gamers actually play GB GBC games???? close to NONE, and if they really want to they can just get a GBC for like 10 bucks or just keep a hold of their gba, sp....yes us retro guys would like it to play the old stuff, but lets face it, GBC was one of the worst systems ever, its just not practical

Not to disagree, but the biggest consumer for portable game systems is non-gamers...but children...when the average consumer goes to the local Toys R Us, Wal-Mart, or whatever...and they hear that this does not have that feature...the average buyer being Grandparents and Parents will not be happy.

I worked at TRU during X-mas of 2003, and EVERY damn day I got this question "WILL THE GBA GAMES WORK ON GBA SP?"

that Close to NONE number you are thinking about, is strictly for gamers....as for I, think about the real number...in mass sales

[Avenger]

your saying the mass of the ppl who own portable systems are children? exactly my point cuz i dont know any little kids who have a GBA/SP and say "thank God i can still play my old GB/GBC games", average gamers/children want the latest and greatest, they dont care about "stupid old black and white games"

i dont quite understand what your saying but i think its that, back in the day a lot of ppl bought gb/gbc stuff? wait forget that i have no idea what your point is lol...ill just repeat what i said before, the average DS buyer doesnt care about being about to play really old games...if they did then they already own an older model GameBoy or they would go buy one for 10 bucks somewhere

[LiquidX01]

It's been noted that the big N is marketing this to an older gamer.. It has many features that are simular to existing platforms such as Palm and the Pocket PC PDAs. Rumor has it that it can also offer VOIP for local calling (no word on if this is just unit to unit or unit to landline) via the many free WAPs out there.. Give it a good WAP browser, decent PDA like features (email, contact managment, etc.) and this could be a really cool product for them.

Which is why I have shuned away from the gameboy series all these years because it had 7 year olds written all over it, not to say that your a little kid if you own one because thats not at all what Im saying. What I am saying is that many, not all, of the games were childish and aimed at kids, and I just got sick of the whole gameboy line and its million different colors and 4 or 5 design changes. Some things should have been done before even releasing the handheld in the first place instead of making people buy another gameboy for the features that should have been there in the first place (IE:Backlit Display). I say that from personal experience with my nephew, now hes a kid and mom bought him an Advance and then a month or two later Nintendo releases the SP, Try telling a kid that its the same thing and that it just looks different. So mommy goes out and spends another 100 on it, Spoiled kid?, perhaps, My problem?, No.

I didnt mean to go on a rant but....I just hope this means the end of the Gameboy series. GOOD RIDDANCE, RIP or atleast step aside and let the big boys have a turn!

I will buy a DS, I just hope Nintendo sticks to their plan.

Now I have probably manged to piss off some people, and if I did Im sorry, But its my opinion and thats how I feel about it. :)

[thegreatescape]

i dont know any little kids who have a GBA/SP and say "thank God i can still play my old GB/GBC games"

I do. Your forgetting about the hundres of gb/gbc games released, including 4 (?) pokemon games. The gb/gbc werent exactly graphic power-houses, so it wouldnt be hard to put them on a small, inexpensive chip. Heck they probably could have just emulated the gb/gbc on the DS.

[SoulBlazer]

I STILL contend my original argument -- Nintendo has said ALL ALONG that the DS is to be a NEW product, NOT a replacement for the GBA SP. (In fact, interviews have hinted that a new one is allready in the works, probaly aimed at a 2006 release). Agree with Nintendo's decision or not, it's what they are going with. They think three product lines is doable and viable, and right now I'd have to agree with them. Sony will be doing three product lines themselves in a year or two (PS2, PS3, and PSP).

[Avenger]

so siding with SoulBlazer here, even tho it seems that the DS has the potential to wipe out the SP, The Big N is saying the DS is NOT a replacement...so that means no complaining about no GB/GBC Compatability...

and sure little kids love pokemon, but with FOUR Pokemon games for GBA, (including re-releases of the best GBC games out there), i doubt there are any kids still playing the GBC versions of Pokemon on their GBA...the point that they are playing it on the GBA and not still on the GBC is my total point here guyz, and hell if they are STILL playin them on their GBC then why would they wanna get a DS when they didnt even get a GBA/SP? and if they DID get a DS and loved Pokemon for GBC so much, they would keep a hold of their GBC...(see where im going with this?)

...hell i could be wrong, but wait, im not ;)

oh yea, there were 6 Pokemon games for GBC

Red
Blue
Yellow

Gold
Silver
Diamond

...and if you wanna call it 7, Pokemon trading card game

i guess in the end the only point we can all agree on, is the fact that Pokemon has completely taken over the entire world... O_O

[calthaer]

I still play Silver on my GBA SP for the backlit part (when night falls the screen gets sort of hard to see)...but I still keep a GBC around for the infrared port and the Mystery Gift function.

And who's going to be playing the Pokemon GBA games on the DS? That wireless adapter and the e-Reader stuff (EON TICKET and the Battle-E cards) are reasons enough not to upgrade. Besides the fact that Colosseum probably won't interface with the DS.

Pokemon has taken over the whole world.

[Jive3D]

Bad news for peeps who want to play GBC and B&W GBY games on it and for those who want to play multiplayer GBA games

Nintendo announced that the Nintendo DS is not backward compatible with GameBoy or GameBoy Color games; all GameBoy Advance games will work on Nintendo DS in single player mode only.

http://www.the-magicbox.com/gaming.htm <- Source

And if this is true my point about Nintendo always screwing something up is true. Too bad im not that happy i was right about it...

The DS is not for playing GBC & GB games - MOST GAMERS don't care about those games - myself? I only care about Super Mario Land (one of my all time fave games & the Zelda Ages & Seasons for GBC) - But get a GBA Flash card and you can emulate all 3 of those games and play it *gasp* on the DS.

Really though, the backwards compat is nice, but I'm interested in the new stuff - I've beaten Super Mario Land a few hundred times, I dont need to do it on the DS, I can do it with the GB Player at home on a nice TV - there are plenty of other ways to play GB & GBC games - I dont think that the DS needs it at all. Now, if it was backwards with the virtual boy... LOL

I'm at a serious fork in the road between the DS and the PSP - they are both really interesting but I won't allow myself to buy them both - simply b/c of the sheer amount of games at that point I might as well quit my job and break up with my girlfriend - The DS will be almost half the price - but the only thing on the PSP that interests me is Wipeout Pure and Metal Gear AC!D (kinda). The DS looks to have some really cool stuff - I just wonder what the other launch games will be - I hope that the New Mario Bros. game will be nice and deep.

[MegaDrive20XX]

your saying the mass of the ppl who own portable systems are children? exactly my point cuz i dont know any little kids who have a GBA/SP and say "thank God i can still play my old GB/GBC games", average gamers/children want the latest and greatest, they dont care about "stupid old black and white games"

i dont quite understand what your saying but i think its that, back in the day a lot of ppl bought gb/gbc stuff? wait forget that i have no idea what your point is lol...ill just repeat what i said before, the average DS buyer doesnt care about being about to play really old games...if they did then they already own an older model GameBoy or they would go buy one for 10 bucks somewhere

What I am saying, is the parents/grandparents who want to buy cheap games (ie. GBC games) Feeling like they are saving by avoiding the cost GBA and DS games happens all the time.

Yet, who are they buying the games for? The children (that's my point)

I have no idea what your point is lol (actually I do) so I'll repeat what I said, Because I think about the sales, not the average gamer as the general targeted group.

That is what rates Nintendo's sale on this issue. The numbers won't lie when they show the pie charts on who buys what.

Every small feature matters, regardless of your theory of "they dont care about "stupid old black and white games""

and all I keep hearing is "Most gamers, most average gamers" Ok we got that point, it's in concrete ok?

Business wise is what my concern is at this moment, nuf said.

We're pretty much on two different subjects here, being For the average gamers and for the average consumers. The miscommunication about what the real point is has been mislead.

I agree with you on your behalf about gamers all around. Yet I have a different theory, which is focused on people outside of "gamers"

[Ed Oscuro]

Every small feature matters
It does? Then why did the Lynx lose out to the Game Boy in the first place?

[MegaDrive20XX]

Every small feature matters
It does? Then why did the Lynx lose out to the Game Boy in the first place?

The cost probably? Just watch, the average consumer looks at that price tag over everything

[Ed Oscuro]

Then there's your reason. Features are cut to keep costs on the unit down to where people will want to buy it.

[MegaDrive20XX]

Then there's your reason. Features are cut to keep costs on the unit down to where people will want to buy it.

I agree, because the DS is some heavy hardware of it's time. So seeing a $149.99 is a blessing.

but coming back to your Lynx idea, we didn't care about backwards compatibility then, now it's an issue to some.

Yet on my behalf. I don't care at all, games are games. Regardless, the average consumer will find minor crap like this to harp on

I may sound like a jerk about this, but I am speaking on experience from most retail stores I have worked at in the past, and it's what I honestly believe what will happen again when the DS arrives.

[neuropolitique]

Hmmm. Just had a thought.

Part of the reason parents buy GB and GBC games for their kids is because the kids are dumb and they don't know any better. They see a game that has a neat label and wants it. The parents gladly pay 15-20 bucks for a game instead of 30-35. No one worries much about because all the games will work. Now, however, the older games won't work. Confusion will reign! Kids will want games, parents won't know if they will work, clerks will try to explain why they won't to clueless parents, kids will cry, parents will get mad, kid will have to choose a GBA or DS game.

Now, stores may not want to deal with all the drama. Perhaps they will clearance out the GB and GBC color games the way many have with NES, SNES, and Genesis games. This way there will be no confusion. Kids get the game they want, parents get cheap games, and stores get hassle free sales.

What does it all mean? Cheap prices for me! The main reason why I am excited about the DS not supporting GB and GBC games is price. Those games are still way over priced, because they still work. When there is no new hardware to play the games, they price will fall. But what if the price drop is more than anticipated? A clearance would be a huge boost to my collection. I'd finally be able to play some games that are way to expensive right now.

Good job Nintendo, thank you.

[MegaDrive20XX]

Hmmm. Just had a thought.

Part of the reason parents buy GB and GBC games for their kids is because the kids are dumb and they don't know any better. They see a game that has a neat label and wants it. The parents gladly pay 15-20 bucks for a game instead of 30-35. No one worries much about because all the games will work. Now, however, the older games won't work. Confusion will reign! Kids will want games, parents won't know if they will work, clerks will try to explain why they won't to clueless parents, kids will cry, parents will get mad, kid will have to choose a GBA or DS game.

Now, stores may not want to deal with all the drama. Perhaps they will clearance out the GB and GBC color games the way many have with NES, SNES, and Genesis games. This way there will be no confusion. Kids get the game they want, parents get cheap games, and stores get hassle free sales.

What does it all mean? Cheap prices for me! The main reason why I am excited about the DS not supporting GB and GBC games is price. Those games are still way over priced, because they still work. When there is no new hardware to play the games, they price will fall. But what if the price drop is more than anticipated? A clearance would be a huge boost to my collection. I'd finally be able to play some games that are way to expensive right now.

Good job Nintendo, thank you.

Thank you! Very well put! We have a winner! Exactly what I was trying to point out, but this man got there by a landslide

[Ed Oscuro]

but coming back to your Lynx idea, we didn't care about backwards compatibility then, now it's an issue to some.

Yet on my behalf. I don't care at all, games are games. Regardless, the average consumer will find minor crap like this to harp on
I wasn't talking about backwards compatibility; I was talking about features vs. cost, to clear that issue up.

Plus, it really doesn't matter what they do. They could put in backwards compatibility, and people would complain that the "successor" to the GBA is too hard to play games on. Then they'd be mad again when the GBA2 launches a year down the road.

I'd certainly be angry if they cut Game Boy and multiplayer support from the GBA2, but the DS is still an offshoot, and I'm concerned with getting real DS games to run as well as possible, and that Nintendo puts as much effort, dev, and production dollars into that as possible, instead of wasting it on supporting games I've already bought a GC to play.

[MegaDrive20XX]

but coming back to your Lynx idea, we didn't care about backwards compatibility then, now it's an issue to some.

Yet on my behalf. I don't care at all, games are games. Regardless, the average consumer will find minor crap like this to harp on
I wasn't talking about backwards compatibility; I was talking about features vs. cost, to clear that issue up.

Plus, it really doesn't matter what they do. They could put in backwards compatibility, and people would complain that the "successor" to the GBA is too hard to play games on. Then they'd be mad again when the GBA2 launches a year down the road.

I'd certainly be angry if they cut Game Boy and multiplayer support from the GBA2, but the DS is still an offshoot, and I'm concerned with getting real DS games to run as well as possible, and that Nintendo puts as much effort, dev, and production dollars into that as possible, instead of wasting it on supporting games I've already bought a GC to play.

Ah ok, sorry about that, but bottom line, the Nintendo DS will be succesful because of it's line up titles on release is a sure fire winner.

Which comes to mind the entire "Successor" to the GBA idea. To me, it's like almost there, but not quite? or is it already considered a successor?

[Ed Oscuro]

Probably a good chunk of the public will think that, and that's all that matters. Unfortunate for Nintendo...maybe ;)

[Avenger]

the only thing holding me back to saying YES it IS the succesor is the fact that it cant play ALL the old GC/GBC games that it always has, and AND the fact that you cant play your GBA games multiplayer....i will be so mad if they bring out a new DS later on...DS SP perhaps, that not only plays GB/GBC games but also plays them multi...and i am very ad to say this but im pretty much positive this will happen...dam you nintendo, always after my money...dont get me wrong tho they are my fav :)

[Neonsolid]

Gone.

[jonjandran]

Meh! The DS isnt all that impressive and i think i'll pass on both of nintendos next gen systems.

PSP Forever!

Stupid Fanboys. :roll:

It's all about the Games.

Get every system because everyone has unique games that shouldn't be missed. :-P

[Neonsolid]

Gone.

[jonjandran]

I actually care very little about company loyalty or being a fanboy i just have hated nintendo since the GC came out and i want to see them fail any chance they get.

And how does that help the Gaming Industry and our search for the best gaming possible ?

[Neonsolid]

Gone.

[classicb]

Meh! The DS isnt all that impressive and i think i'll pass on both of nintendos next gen systems.

PSP Forever!

Stupid Fanboys. :roll:

It's all about the Games.

Get every system because everyone has unique games that shouldn't be missed. :-P

I agree... not about the stupid fanboy thing but about getting every system. I would think most people on here would be all about all the systems. I've never been on a board that had so many Atari Jaguar owners. Every system has great games some just less than others.

(I acutally like fanboys...they make reading message boards more fun. I'd be more of a fanboy if Sega still made systems)

[LiquidX01]

I also agree here. I own most older systems and every next gen system because there are games to be missed on each system. Im not all into current Nintendo systems that much but I do own a GCN because of games like Super Monkey Ball, Metroid, and many others that are exclusive to it. :)

[racecar]

$150 is a fair price, i think that the psp is a bit pricy for my budget especially near christmas time .... maybe if i ask for make it cash instead of presents for christmas, from all my reletive and friends, i might be able to get both ....

[izret101]

I get all the systems within a year or 2 of release and still miss alot of the major titles until years later.

[NintendoMan]

I actually care very little about company loyalty or being a fanboy i just have hated nintendo since the GC came out and i want to see them fail any chance they get.

Awe, you shithead!!! :angry: :angry:

Just joking, but that one hurts. :D :D :D

[NintendoMan]

Every small feature matters
It does? Then why did the Lynx lose out to the Game Boy in the first place?

The cost probably? Just watch, the average consumer looks at that price tag over everything

I as well think the average consumer just looks at the price tag as well.

So that mom with her 2 boys that are very young strolling along in the K-Mart aisle in Electronics is going to get the DS JUST JUST JUST because it's cheaper.
Now remember I am saying this to the average consumer mom or dad that knows NOTHING about games, and the kids are too young to really know what's going on.

[Lost Monkey]

$150 is too much! Like, I can buy 3 $50 gift certificates for that much!

[NintendoMan]

$150 is too much! Like, I can buy 3 $50 gift certificates for that much!

TOO MUCH?? What do you expect the price to be for a next gen. handheld like this, and all it's technology.

[Jive3D]

Has anyone been able to confirm that WiFi Capabilities of the DS?

I know that it can do multiplayer and msging with units that are in a certain distance/radius - but what about TRUE use of WiFi hot spots to connect DS units together - it seems that all the news sites have been dancing around this topic without really expressing what it actually does in this situation.

This is a huge selling point for the DS!

[WiseSalesman]

$150 is too much! Like, I can buy 3 $50 gift certificates for that much!

TOO MUCH?? What do you expect the price to be for a next gen. handheld like this, and all it's technology.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=sarcasm

[Avenger]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/29/news_6109201.html

sexy :D

[Zubiac666]

http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/09/29/news_6109201.html

sexy :D

indeed :D :-P

but even better(from the same article):

The announcement went on to mention that the demo would include "several" single-player modes as well as the previously announced four-player wireless multiplayer demo.

Oh my god.....I CAN'T WAIT ANY LONGER
gimme

[Crush Crawfish]

It's all about the Games.

Get every system because everyone has unique games that shouldn't be missed. 1003_yum.gif

That has to be one of the most intelligent things I've ever heard. I'm gonna get a DS as soon as I can. I'll eventually buy a PSP, but I'll wait on it until it has more games I want.

Anyway, Neonsolid, why do you hate nintendo so much? Just curious.

[NE146]

It's all about the Games.

Get every system because everyone has unique games that shouldn't be missed. 1003_yum.gif

That has to be one of the most intelligent things I've ever heard. I'm gonna get a DS as soon as I can. I'll eventually buy a PSP, but I'll wait on it until it has more games I want.

..And I'm sure that's actually probably the mentality of the majority of people on this board (that each has unique games that we'd want). I mean hello.. it's a board of videogame COLLECTORS ;) However, it's just the ones who feel some sort of odd loyalty to the point they feel the need to characterize a competing console/company as overall 'inferior' (for what reason who the hell knows LOL) that are usually the most vocal.

You and I know, the hardware doesn't really matter. For most any individual console, there is inevitably some software released that we will want (N-Gage doesn't count :D). But saying "I like them all and am getting them all" doesn't push anyone's buttons so those opinions get ignored and lost in the shuffle. But again, I'll bet it's the attitude of the majority here.

[Avenger]

i get every system because there are always a few for each that i really love...but when it comes to Nintendo...there are many more reasons to buy the DS :D! I Heart Nintendo

[Jasoco]

I have been after the DS since it was announced. Not because I love Nintendo, which I do, but I'm far from Fanboy. But because of the games. The PSP has not a SINGLE GAME that I myself would want to play. At least not one that would make my want to buy it. The DS will have the games I will be interested in. The New SMB, Animal Crossing for starters. If there were a new Star Fox (REAL Star Fox. No more fucking WALKING MISSIONS GOD DAMMIT!) game, I'd be all over it. Even if it's a rerelease of the first two.

I don't care about GB compatibility. I don't care about multi-player on GBA games. As long as I can play my GBA games myself, I'm happy. I'm still hoping for a worthy Tetris port to the GBA. The NES one would make my day. Tetris Worlds has no score, so I can't play that. Other than that, I am set on GBA ports. (New Tetris or Tetris Plus may do as long as there's a score in it.) I'll miss DK94, especially since MvsDK isn't the same, but I can live.

I'm deciding if I want to buy it at release, after my Bday discount comes (20% off) or if I want to ask for it for Christmas and not spend a penny. More money for games. ;) Either way, I'll have one by New Years. I can't wait for the release game list.

Someone please clear something up... What will games cost? Please don't say $50.

[NintendoMan]

$150 is too much! Like, I can buy 3 $50 gift certificates for that much!

TOO MUCH?? What do you expect the price to be for a next gen. handheld like this, and all it's technology.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=sarcasm

You idiot. No really though, I am pretty sure he's serious. He not giving sarcasm, I don't think??

[NintendoMan]

[quote]It's all about the Games.

Anyway, Neonsolid, why do you hate nintendo so much? Just curious.

I want to know why too??

[Jasoco]

$150 is too much! Like, I can buy 3 $50 gift certificates for that much!

TOO MUCH?? What do you expect the price to be for a next gen. handheld like this, and all it's technology.

http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=sarcasm

You idiot. No really though, I am pretty sure he's serious. He not giving sarcasm, I don't think??Oh, it was Sarcasm, and it went right over your head, dude.



It's all about the Games.

Anyway, Neonsolid, why do you hate nintendo so much? Just curious.
I want to know why too??
Ditto. he seems to have a grudge. And every time he posts, I reach for the Ignore button.. that doesn't exist. :o

[Neonsolid]

Gone.

[Jasoco]

[Reaches for Ignore button]

Dammit! Forgot. :o

You do realize not all their stuff is recycled. So give it a rest. Or I will unleas a WORLD OF PAIN ON YOU!!! MUAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :evil:

No, really.

[Neonsolid]

Gone.

[Jasoco]

Why dont you give it a rest you almost always try to contradict anything i say on most of the forums post. I dont much care about a nintendo fanboys opinion anyway.[Looks around for a Nintendo Fanboy.]

Where do you see a Fanboy? Well, except NintendoMan.

[Ed Oscuro]

Just tired of them shoveling us the same shit and calling it new.
This doesn't apply to Sony's third person efforts, because (game publisher X) knows we need our reccommended daily allowance of New Innovative Game.

Never mind those same devs put out the "same shit" you mention on the GBA, not Nintendo. Unless you mean the SMB 3 and Metroid remakes...I'm not a fan of the NES Classic Series releases, either. Still.

[Neonsolid]

Gone..

[Ed Oscuro]

GC != Nintendo.

(Sorry, there's no ≠ character on my keyboard.)

It's big - but not THAT big.

It's not dead in the water quite yet, though.

[Jasoco]

GC ≠ Nintendo

There you go. Just type it how you did..


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[Avenger]

oh yea i forgot, Nintendo doesnt make original games anymore...they are the only company that when they get a good idea, they stick with it for a while... O_O

cuz of course, who else remembers those long nights of playing Pikmin on the NES? :-P

so what if they dont make that many new ideas all the dam time...no one does, its not practical....and IMO Nintendo is the high point of innovation...hell we are in a DS topic right now, need i say more?

id rant more...but 2:30 isnt a good ranting time of the night

[Neonsolid]

Gone.

[Avenger]

You choose the wrong game to vouch for there inovation pikmin is nothing but a lemmings clone as i have said on about three other threads.

your a clone, fetus boy...

[Jasoco]

Yeah, I'm sick of his idiotic ramblings too. He complains Nintendo doesn't make original games, making him look like a Nintendo hater. Then cheers about how he'll be getting Donkey Konga soon, making him seem contradictory.

EVERY game is a rip off of another game in some way. So fucking WHAT if Pikmin is "Sorta" Like Lemmings. It's not even CLOSE actually. Lemmings keep moving. Pikmin follow you. NOT the exact same.

Look at platformers. Platformers, especially side scrollers, are everywhere. Not just Nintendo.

Isn't Donkey Konga just a Samba De Amiga clone? DDR is like Parappa the Rapper. OMG, did I just say that? Yes.. I did. Every game is based on another game in some way. So shut the hell up and stop praying for Nintendo to go under, you heartless son of a bitch.

Thank you, have a nice day.

[Lost Monkey]

Welp! Just got back from the store with my 3 $50.00 gift certificates.. they look marvellous!

[NintendoMan]

Why dont you give it a rest you almost always try to contradict anything i say on most of the forums post. I dont much care about a nintendo fanboys opinion anyway.[Looks around for a Nintendo Fanboy.]

Where do you see a Fanboy? Well, except NintendoMan.

Hey Now. As I do consider myself a Nintendo fanboy, I am not a fanboy that ABSOLUTELY hates everything else. I mean I love Sega too!
Nintendo was my first system and they just carry alot MORE type of games that I like. I don't agree with EVERYTHING they do, but still LOVE nintendo til I die. They also carry the games I like. Give me Mario ANYDAY over Grand Theft Auto. (My opinion of course)
:D

[NintendoMan]

[quote="Neonsolid"] All of there sequels off N64 games show little in the way of improvement or innovation (Mario sunshine, The legend of zelda: the wind waker and pokemon collesuem.) quote]

Well, it's kind of hard to make more innovative sequals than Mario64 and Ocarina of Time. Being as though they were some of the most innovative titles at the time.

I dont see what the hell is so innovative about sony and xbox?? Other than the camera and dance dance.

[NintendoMan]

You choose the wrong game to vouch for there inovation pikmin is nothing but a lemmings clone as i have said on about three other threads.

your a clone, fetus boy...

LOL LOL LOL LOL

And as Jasoco said, EVERY came is sorta like another game. So what the hell should gamemakers do, just stop making games until they run the idea through you just to make sure it's innovative enough?? I mean you don't even think Pikmin is innovative, when it's probably the most innov. game this gen. of consoles, maybe.

Nintendo is the posterchild for innovation. Whether people can accept that or not is another issue entirely. That's what Nintendo keeps saying about "revolution" and an entire different way to play games. But that's another issue too.

[Avatard]

The camera was on teh game boy first LOL . Well actually the computer... Also the PS2 and XBox are just computers that only run games, nothing special. But Microsoft really had the right idea making the XBox a true IP device and bringing 16 person LAN parties with 4 devices, great job MS. Maybe one day Sony will get a clue and slap 2 more ports on the front of their machines. Some gamers have friends ya know.

Halo on Xbox for 16 people = $800 in consoles, $240 in controllers, and $200 in game disks...total = $1240 split 4 ways

Halo on PC for 16 people = $1600 in computers alone

(Complain about Halo all you want but its THE killer app for XBox.)

How did this turn into a console wars thread? Well anyhow, I don't care about originality, I play whats fun. And to me Super Smash Bros. Melee is fun, and so is Halo. Gamecube is just something to play the games I like when XBox really had the best vision IMO.

[Avenger]

xbox/microsofts vision = put as much monry into it as we can cuz we can afford it...

dont get me wrong i LOVE my xbox :D

P.S. it has been said by Nintendo themselves that the new Mario Party does NOT use standard controllers...and it uses some soft of eyetoy thing...but as i was typing that, i thought it would be cool to have a mario party with Bongo Drums too! Dam, i need that game lol

[izret101]

I like all of the systems and companies. I wouldn't like to see any of them die(except Nokia N-Gage). I think every company has some sort of edge over the other company.
Nintendo seems to be losing ther edge. But they will always have something to keep them in contention.
I know i have made it sound like i hate nintendo in other posts but i just disagree with most of what they do.
I personally would have liked it better if it was Sega, Sony and Microsoft making home systems. As for handhelds i could really care less i hardly use the ones i get anymore.