Hardest RPG's EVER

[G4MZ0v3R]

7th saga is one of the hardest I've played personally.
I like a challenge. Lets hear some good ones. All systems....

[Iron Draggon]

Brain Lord

[Funkenstein]

Maybe it was due to my relative inexperience at the time I played them, but I always thought the Breath of Fire series was a good challenge. Xenogears and Tactics Ogre weren't especially hard, but you need to commit old-school levels of time into them.

[Dahne]

I remember having a significant amount of trouble with FF IV easytype.

[DigitalSpace]

The 7'th Saga pissed me off. I quit playing the game pretty early into it.

[Raedon]

hardest = longest?

Hardest RPG: Star Ocean - Second Story

hands down. Indalecio is the hardest final boss in the history of Console RPG's. I gave up so many times I thought the game was broke. The cave of trials in that game is just stupid hard and you have to do that it beat the final boss. Don't even get me started on the bunny shoes.. In the end I had to cheat just to get closure on the damn game like 8 months later and I STILL had problems.

Longest RPG: any MMORPG

[TomMage]

Well I'd have to say Lufia 2. Not the normal game though that took me about 80 hours, the Ancient Dungeon. I probably put 30 hours into Ancient Dungeon, got to bottom a couple times but could not beat the boss (you only get a few attacks before he runs). In fact I don't know ANYONE who has beat the boss. No save available, if you want to try set aside about 4-8 hours to even give it a good try. The normal game is also known for having some tough puzzles, one of them pretty much impossible to solve (supposed to be hardest puzzle in video games). Lufia 2 is actually prequel to Lufia 1 by the way.

Tom

[poe]

Indalecio is the hardest final boss in the history of Console RPG's.

Try him with the power limiter off. A Private Action late in the game can make him about 2x harder than the boss of Cave of Trials. I never have made an effort to beat him that way, though. Like you, I had enough trouble just beating him normally.

I'd have to say both the Tales series and Star Ocean series are the most tough-but-fair console RPGs I've played. The combination of real-time battle and the standard enemies that fight like bosses are a nice change from the games that pace your levelling to be equal or in excess of your enemies, robbing all tension and strategy from the gameplay.

I have to mention Dragon Warrior VII, not out of reverence (unlike the rest of the series), but because that damn game throws the occasional hideously one-sided fight at you (i.e. Hellcloud) that you can only win on pure luck.

[Sylentwulf]

7th saga.... :puke:

I just had one, but forgot it looking for the puke icon....
damn...
Final Fantasy Tactics - Never could finish this one.

Alundra - Returned it because of the jumping involved.
Suikoden 3 had a hard end boss....
Chrono Trigger's end boss just due to the LENGTH of the battle.
Final Fantasy 5 - I hate job systems.

[The_Chosen_One]

Phantasy Star 2. The dungeon with all the warps would be damn near impossible without a guide.

[GaijinPunch]

Chrono Trigger Boss: Easy if you do the side quests.
PSII: Touche. PSII was made to have that guide, which I think is a downer, personally. Wonder how the Sega Ages version will come out.

[TomMage]

Phantasy Star 2. The dungeon with all the warps would be damn near impossible without a guide.

Oh yes, forgot that one :) I did it without guide though, that's just the way I am. Took a long time. And got killed once, was exploring/mapping so long I was low on items and weak, when I saw character to talk to thought they might help me, was the evil Nei, smoked my butt.

Tom

[Chainsaw_Charlie]

7th Saga is hard at times but easy at the end with the right character hint hint

Xenogears isnt too hard

Hardest rpg?

Dark cloud tedious annoying dungeon crawler
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[rhiohki]

7th saga was tough. So tough that I ended up giving the blasted game away.

I would have to agree with Raedon that Star Ocean Second Story was probably the hardest RPG game that I actuall BEAT. took a while, but it was such a gratifying feeling.

BTW: Sylentwulf - where did you get your avatar? (it's nice :-P )

[Nez]

Breath of Fire Dragon Quarter, its not that hard but damn some times I just need to save, plus its a 3 hour trek just to get to the final boss.

Xenogears, the final boss wasn't too bad after defeating the sub bosses. But the Sub bosses them selfs were WHORES!

[Sylentwulf]

DARK CLOUD?!?!?!

Probly one of the best and most innovative RPG's across this entire gen. of consoles!!!

Chrono Trigger wasn't overly HARD, just VERY LONG, and you COULD get into a pattern and die just because you're not paying attention anymore ;)

Don't know where I got the avatar. It is fun to watch her though huh?

[kainemaxwell]

7th Saga definitly. Fighting the other apperntices was a pain in the ass!!

[Fuyukaze]

7th Saga was definitly hard. Few RPGs ever gave me as much hell as it did. Go ahead and power level your way thru it. Do it! See how effective it isnt. The only way to truely power your way thru that game is to do it by the numbers. Save before each level up and count your added points when you lev up. If the points total isnt enough to make you happy, just restart and load your save. Repeat as often as needed till desired result is achieved.

There was an RPG for the TG-16 I cant remember. It was a D&D title that was both hard and easy. At times the monsters you would meet were easy but even maped, there was one dungeon I could never solve (or leave once entered). The PW save feature was incredably hard to get right. Nine out of ten times I could never do it.

[orrimarrko]

Phantasy Star 2. The dungeon with all the warps would be damn near impossible without a guide.

Come on man, you have to be kidding.

I know it's just an opinion, but I finished that game (first try on the ending) over a decade ago. That's cake compared to some of the toughies today.

[TomMage]

There was an RPG for the TG-16 I cant remember. It was a D&D title that was both hard and easy. At times the monsters you would meet were easy but even maped, there was one dungeon I could never solve (or leave once entered). The PW save feature was incredably hard to get right. Nine out of ten times I could never do it.

That would probably be "Order of the Griffon", perhaps my favorite console D+D game. Great music, great game, went by true D+D rules. PW saves sucked in general, too many letters that look like other letters or numbers. If you used the Turbo Booster you could save without using password and actually inside a dungeon, with password you would appear outside dungeon. Gosh that was a great game ;)

Tom

[TomMage]

Phantasy Star 2. The dungeon with all the warps would be damn near impossible without a guide.

Come on man, you have to be kidding.

I know it's just an opinion, but I finished that game (first try on the ending) over a decade ago. That's cake compared to some of the toughies today.

Not sure what you mean by "first try on the ending", if you mean multiple endings your are thinking of Phantasy Star 3 not 2. 3 was easy, 2 MUCH harder (and better).

Tom

[boatofcar]

The final boss in Dragon Warrior IV was pretty tough for me....I think he morphs at least 5 times...

[TomMage]

The final boss in the NES version of Bard's Tale was very hard (don't think I beat him). You were limited as to how powerful you could get in NES version which made it very difficult. Had no problem with the computer version.

Tom

[Fuyukaze]

TomMage wrote-

That would probably be "Order of the Griffon", perhaps my favorite console D+D game. Great music, great game, went by true D+D rules. PW saves sucked in general, too many letters that look like other letters or numbers. If you used the Turbo Booster you could save without using password and actually inside a dungeon, with password you would appear outside dungeon. Gosh that was a great game

Thanks! I sold my TG-16 nearly 11 years ago and had forgot the name of it. It was fun right up to the dungeon I named off. I couldnt find a turbo booster otherwise I'm certain I would have enjoyed all the games I had for it. Think I gave it to a friend with all the games I had for it for money I owed him. I actualy wish I could have given em the cash instead.

Hmm, maybe you can help me with the title of another semi-difficult game. It was on the NES. It was a shooter/top view platformer where you played a robot going around colecting chips. The various chips could be used to power up your weapons or buy weapons. I almost want to say it was a namco game but I cant belive thats right. The only clue I can remember to the name is "Guardian". Very fun game with another annoying PW feature.

Games that require a PW should use the Castleveina aproach. Symbols.

[FlufflePuff]

I'm sad to say that I had a hell of a time beating Jecht at the end of Final Fantasy X. Partly because I didn't ever level up my characters, and partly because I didn't use a guide to get all the special weapons. I probably tried to beat him 20+ times at approx. 15 minutes a pop. I got so frustrated that I quit the game. Finally started again a couple of months ago and got really lucky to beat him.

[Ed Oscuro]

Hmm, maybe you can help me with the title of another semi-difficult game. It was on the NES. It was a shooter/top view platformer where you played a robot going around colecting chips. The various chips could be used to power up your weapons or buy weapons. I almost want to say it was a namco game but I cant belive thats right. The only clue I can remember to the name is "Guardian". Very fun game with another annoying PW feature.
For some reason I know of this game...but I've forgotten the name, too. Help guys! :O


Games that require a PW should use the Castleveina aproach. Symbols.
Damn right. Belmont's Revenge 4-characterl password = genius. Only has four symbols, too - yay! Four hearts = sound test.

[Aussie2B]

The mystery NES game is The Guardian Legend. It's by Irem and published in the US by Broderbund (sp?).

As for the comment about Star Ocean: The Second Story, Indalecio is a weenie. :P I can beat him without doing the Cave of Trials first, I can beat the Cave of Trials easily, I can beat Gabriel (the boss at the end of the CoT) easily, and I can also beat Indalecio unlimited with no problems. Yes, I like to brag. :P Now, Iseria Queen, SHE'S the bitch of the game. And everybody gets considerably harder on the higher difficulties. Anyway, what I wanted to say is that those things in the game are tough at first, but it's still a very fair challenge and everything can be mastered. :) You just have to have the right approach to it. You can't think of it like other pussy RPGs where you expect to die once or twice on a boss AT MOST, and where you can over-level your way through any challenge. There are some things in SO2 that levels won't help you with. You have to develop skill, strategy, and be determined. I would liken it more to an old-school action game where you die over and over, but each time you get a little better.

[Chainsaw_Charlie]

ok it wasnt that hard but it was more annoying than anything i've played so far and i just got rid of it after awhile
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[Aussie2B]

Well I'd have to say Lufia 2. Not the normal game though that took me about 80 hours, the Ancient Dungeon. I probably put 30 hours into Ancient Dungeon, got to bottom a couple times but could not beat the boss (you only get a few attacks before he runs). In fact I don't know ANYONE who has beat the boss. No save available, if you want to try set aside about 4-8 hours to even give it a good try. The normal game is also known for having some tough puzzles, one of them pretty much impossible to solve (supposed to be hardest puzzle in video games). Lufia 2 is actually prequel to Lufia 1 by the way.

I totally agree. o_O The Ancient Dungeon has to be the hardest thing in any RPG. The "hardest puzzle in the world" or whatever it was called wasn't quite so hard, though. :P I beat it without any help in about 20-30 minutes. It's just an ordinary tile-sliding puzzle.

[whoisKeel]

i had a hard time with Hoshigami. you get outnumbered 2 or 3:1, and they are always higher levels than you. (which means you hit them for 1hp, and they hit you for 30hp). Battles last for up to 2 hours with no save feature during battles.

then i found out there was a cap...you could level up to a certain level, and the enemies wouldn't be higher levels anymore,,,by that time i had pretty much quit playing (i guess i got about half way through the game) i liked that game tho.

[izret101]

Well I'd have to say Lufia 2. Not the normal game though that took me about 80 hours, the Ancient Dungeon. I probably put 30 hours into Ancient Dungeon, got to bottom a couple times but could not beat the boss (you only get a few attacks before he runs). In fact I don't know ANYONE who has beat the boss. No save available, if you want to try set aside about 4-8 hours to even give it a good try. The normal game is also known for having some tough puzzles, one of them pretty much impossible to solve (supposed to be hardest puzzle in video games). Lufia 2 is actually prequel to Lufia 1 by the way.

Tom

I will second this vote. This is also the RPG i put the most time into, next to FF3 mostly because the sparatically delete.
The hardest RPG for me to get into was Aidyn Chronicles(N64) i think i played it for a total of 3 hours.

[ArnoldRimmer83]

7th Saga is a pretty tough game. Its biggest problem though are the apprentice battles. They are way too unfair. They level up as you do, which in theory is supposed to make the battles fairly close. It would have been interesting, unfortunately the developers for whatever reason seem to make the apprentices always have twice the stats you do, making the odds against you. They can usually just wipe you out in one hit or spell, even if you cast a defense up. Esuna and Lux are the worst examples. I'd love to know who the hell was play testing this game. This is something I would've fixed ASAP before the game was released.

Its a pity cause if it wasn't for this problem, I don't think 7th Saga was that bad a game. I thought the battles in the game was generally tough, but it was the main thing that set it apart from other Snes RPGs. Fortunately there is a little trick around the apprentice problem. The apprentices only level up with your main character. Your partner can level up all he wants, and the apprentice will remain generally the same stats as the main character.

So for example, if your main character is Kamil, and he's level 20, then all the apprentices will be around that level if you fight them. If you let Kamil get killed in battle and have his partner character fight by their self and level up, you can wait until you've gotten them to level 25 or so. Then talk to the apprentice and fight them. Your partner will have a large advantage. This is very useful for the two parts of the game that force you to fight apprentices. (Patrof, and the sky rune)

Personally I think the easiest pair to beat the game with is Lux (the robot) and Valsu (the priest).

[TomMage]

TomMage wrote-
[quote]Hmm, maybe you can help me with the title of another semi-difficult game. It was on the NES. It was a shooter/top view platformer where you played a robot going around colecting chips. The various chips could be used to power up your weapons or buy weapons. I almost want to say it was a namco game but I cant belive thats right. The only clue I can remember to the name is "Guardian". Very fun game with another annoying PW feature.

Games that require a PW should use the Castleveina aproach. Symbols.

Hmm, could be one of the few shooters I played, Guardian Legend? It was good fun if that's the one you are thinking of :)

Tom

[Aussie2B]

Hmmm, I thought of another one that hasn't been mentioned.

If anyone has played Vandal Hearts, I think all I need to say is... THOSE two battles.

First, the town of zombies battle. You can't kill the zombie people, yet... they attack you AND you automatically counterattack! >_< What the fuck, man? I kept losing the battle over and over because my characters kept killing all the zombie people. :/

THEN, if that battle wasn't bad enough, they throw that battle at you where you have to save the chick being lowered into the pit within a certain number of turns. Good grief is it difficult to finish off the battle in that excruciatingly tight time limit. Not to mention the enemies are super powerful.

[Funkenstein]

then i found out there was a cap...you could level up to a certain level, and the enemies wouldn't be higher levels anymore,,,by that time i had pretty much quit playing (i guess i got about half way through the game) i liked that game tho.

Tactics Ogre was the same damn way but not nearly as bad. You had to spend about as much time training to level up your characters as you did actually battling. They had auto-mode though so I would always just put that on and go do something else. Let the characters level themselves up. LOL

[ArnoldRimmer83]

Hmmm, I thought of another one that hasn't been mentioned.

If anyone has played Vandal Hearts, I think all I need to say is... THOSE two battles.

First, the town of zombies battle. You can't kill the zombie people, yet... they attack you AND you automatically counterattack! >_< What the fuck, man? I kept losing the battle over and over because my characters kept killing all the zombie people. :/

Ha ha ha. I remember that battle. It was one of the most annoying I've ever seen in a strategy game, and I thought the same thing during it. Your party wants to PROTECT the mind controlled people, yet they friggin COUNTER ATTACK them! Sheesh.

[TomMage]

[quote=TomMage]

I totally agree. o_O The Ancient Dungeon has to be the hardest thing in any RPG. The "hardest puzzle in the world" or whatever it was called wasn't quite so hard, though. :P I beat it without any help in about 20-30 minutes. It's just an ordinary tile-sliding puzzle.

Shoot, ORDINARY tile slide? If you beat that in 20-30 mins I'm guessing you've done a Rubix Cube with no problem too. Some people just have an "eye" for those things I guess, I'm good at most puzzles but that one frustrated the heck out of me.

Tom

[Lemmy Kilmister]

From what i have heard tecmo's "secert of the stars" Is rether hard. I would also like to add that the first wild arms had some annoying puzzles in it.

[Aussie2B]

[quote=TomMage]

I totally agree. o_O The Ancient Dungeon has to be the hardest thing in any RPG. The "hardest puzzle in the world" or whatever it was called wasn't quite so hard, though. :P I beat it without any help in about 20-30 minutes. It's just an ordinary tile-sliding puzzle.

Shoot, ORDINARY tile slide? If you beat that in 20-30 mins I'm guessing you've done a Rubix Cube with no problem too. Some people just have an "eye" for those things I guess, I'm good at most puzzles but that one frustrated the heck out of me.

Tom

Hehe, I couldn't solve the Rubik's Cube to save my life. :) I seem to be pretty good at sliding-tile puzzles, I guess. o_O I remember my boyfriend didn't have the patience to do any of them in Wind Waker, but I did a ton of them for him in no time.

[izret101]

[quote=TomMage]

I totally agree. o_O The Ancient Dungeon has to be the hardest thing in any RPG. The "hardest puzzle in the world" or whatever it was called wasn't quite so hard, though. :P I beat it without any help in about 20-30 minutes. It's just an ordinary tile-sliding puzzle.

Shoot, ORDINARY tile slide? If you beat that in 20-30 mins I'm guessing you've done a Rubix Cube with no problem too. Some people just have an "eye" for those things I guess, I'm good at most puzzles but that one frustrated the heck out of me.

Tom

Hehe, I couldn't solve the Rubik's Cube to save my life. :) I seem to be pretty good at sliding-tile puzzles, I guess. o_O I remember my boyfriend didn't have the patience to do any of them in Wind Waker, but I did a ton of them for him in no time.
I did the tile slide about that quick too. I have never beat a rubix cube with out moving the stickers. Last time i tried i was 7 though...

I was also just reminded about how much i enjoyed Mario RPG.

[Neonsolid]

Gone.

[G4MZ0v3R]

Yeah Lufia would rank right up there. I forgot about that one.

[Dreamscape]

An RPG that gave me a hard time was Breath of Fire III.

[orrimarrko]

Phantasy Star 2. The dungeon with all the warps would be damn near impossible without a guide.

Come on man, you have to be kidding.

I know it's just an opinion, but I finished that game (first try on the ending) over a decade ago. That's cake compared to some of the toughies today.

Not sure what you mean by "first try on the ending", if you mean multiple endings your are thinking of Phantasy Star 3 not 2. 3 was easy, 2 MUCH harder (and better).

Tom

No, I meant that I beat the ending on the first try. As in, not difficult.

[orrimarrko]

Well I'd have to say Lufia 2. Not the normal game though that took me about 80 hours, the Ancient Dungeon. I probably put 30 hours into Ancient Dungeon, got to bottom a couple times but could not beat the boss (you only get a few attacks before he runs). In fact I don't know ANYONE who has beat the boss. No save available, if you want to try set aside about 4-8 hours to even give it a good try. The normal game is also known for having some tough puzzles, one of them pretty much impossible to solve (supposed to be hardest puzzle in video games). Lufia 2 is actually prequel to Lufia 1 by the way.

Tom

I will second this vote. This is also the RPG i put the most time into, next to FF3 mostly because the sparatically delete.
The hardest RPG for me to get into was Aidyn Chronicles(N64) i think i played it for a total of 3 hours.

Aidyn Chronicles is impossible to complete, because there are bug within the game that cause it to crash. :eek 2:

[Aussie2B]

I know of lots of people who completed Aidyn Chronicles. o_O

[Habeeb Hamusta]

Lufia
Dragon Warrior 7
I also though FFVIII was pretty tough, but wasn't too time consuming.

[izret101]

I know of lots of people who completed Aidyn Chronicles. o_O
From what i played the game still was not as satisfying as other RPGs.

[kainemaxwell]

Lufia
Dragon Warrior 7
I also though FFVIII was pretty tough, but wasn't too time consuming.

I'll 2nd lufia 1. Definitly has its really tough moments, especially boss fights.

[racecar]

this game is not that hard ,but its annoying- unlimited saga-ps2
STAR Ocean 2 ,i beat this game a few times on regular mode...but has any one beat the game on those extra hard modes..it imposible !!!

[Azazel]

Lufia
Dragon Warrior 7
I also though FFVIII was pretty tough, but wasn't too time consuming.

DW7 can be the easiest of hardest game depending on if you know which classes to go for and which skills to use. If you've played DQ6 than the game is much easier as your already famliar with most of the classes and skills. Personally I think it's one of the easiest DQ games that there is. Even the 2 bonus dungeons and the Spirits and God boss fights were pretty easy.

If your going to nominate a DQ game I would go for DQ2 on the original NES. The parts towards the end like Rhone Cave and Malroth aren't very easy.

[WiseSalesman]

Lufia
Dragon Warrior 7
I also though FFVIII was pretty tough, but wasn't too time consuming.

FFVIII is one of the easiest RPGs I've ever played. Didn't think Lufia was all that hard either.

My hardest, I guess, would be Final Fanatasy for NES. I still haven't beaten Kraken.

[Psycho Mantis]

7th saga= way too hard! i could never get anywhere and I would always get lost, so I stopped playing it.

[max 330 mega]

Lufia
Dragon Warrior 7
I also though FFVIII was pretty tough, but wasn't too time consuming.
i definitely agree on dragon warrior 7, and its long as hell and boring too.

[Fuyukaze]

First off, I'd like to thank everyone who helped me remember the 2 games I had forgot the names of. I realy must track down a copy of Guardian Legend.

Last game I realy had problems with was Brigindine for the PS1. Even with maxed stats for all my charcters, I still found it very difficult to win any battles. Maxed magic, maxed everything, and battles still took 15 minutes or more to finish. I'd also end up with a number of dead charcters as well.

[kainemaxwell]

If your going to nominate a DQ game I would go for DQ2 on the original NES. The parts towards the end like Rhone Cave and Malroth aren't very easy.

The Cave of Rhone in DW2 is the biggest pain in the ass.