Somebody needs to "curb" this guy..

[scorch56]

OK.. first off.. I've been an eBay member since 1999. I have some 300+ positives; a 99.+% feedback (only two negs); check me out.. I'm " scorch56 " on eBay as well.

Someone made a post about this clown a couple of weeks back and his "funny" ads. He always says his games are from his personal, neighbor's, brother's, cousin's collection. Mind you.. I'm not complaining about his items.. up to today.. I bought six items from him in the last few weeks.. and I'd be the first to admit.. I got what I consider some REALLY good deals.. provided you watch his auctions closely.

I won't even complain about his shipping (even though it's outrageous); I figure that into my costs.. so I can't complain. My complaint is the guy is some kind of nimrod; or he just doesn't give a sh*t.

My first dealing with him was when I won 3 games at once. He clearly states in his auctions he offers a shipping discount for multiple items, and then he sends you separate invoices for each one with the full shipping price. When I sent him an e-mail asking him for a revised and combined PayPal invoice he sent me back a semi-nasty e-mail saying it couldn't be done. BULLsh*t.. people have been doing it for me for years. This half-wit then forced me to go ahead and pay him 3 times for three separate items and try and figure out and apply a discount for myself. OK.. no problem.. I e-mailed him back explaining the WHOLE PayPal process and explained to him that with his volume.. letting people apply their OWN discounts.. might not be a good idea.. lest he miss some and lose money.

The guy then proceeds to "cop-out" on leaving me feedback; EVEN THOUGH I clearly left him VERY positive feedbacks for the first three items (After all.. I have no problems with his items OR his shipping.. it's prompt.). His auctions CLEARLY state he leaves feedback every Monday for feedback recieved. I have no problem with that either; and my first three feedbacks were positive. I have e-mailed him MANY times over the past three weeks asking him to leave me feedback (and it should be favorable; considering I paid him via PayPal within 24 hours of the auction's closing) and he NEVER responds.

Having been both a buyer AND a seller in the past.. I take MY feedback VERY seriously.. but this "wholesale" joker burns me up. So tonight I left him negs instead. I don't give a rat's ass if he negs me back (he will.. that's his pattern); I'm just getting sick and tired of DEADBEAT SELLERS (a recent trend on eBay). I DON'T do business on eBay that way. I always pay VERY promptly and leave positive feedback for ALL sellers as well.. VERY promptly.

Am I wrong?

Oh.. BTW,, his ID? " 195videogames "; a powerseller.. big frickin' deal. What I've learned? Just because you're a powerseller.. you can still be an idiot.

.. HAPPY now to be on his "blocked bidder list".. one can only hope.. his loss.

[briskbc]

I'm going to be honest here and I don't mean to be rude but when I see someone leave negative feedback about not receiving feedback in return then all I can think of is :roll:

I checked out what you put and the part about lying about incoming email may be a good point but he did not leave you any retaliatory feedback. Why leave a commemt complaining about his transactions with other people and how he conducts his feddback with them.

[scorch56]

Because when someone else says they e-mailed him and DIDN'T get a reply either; and I email him.. several times.. and VERY nicely.. I might add.. ask him to PLEASE leave me feedback (especially when I already have left him several).. I have a "tendency" to believe other buyers.

If he had put in his auctions:

"I don't leave feedback.. live with it."

.. I probably would have; but this guy is so "anal" about HIS auction stipulations ("shipping is non negotiable".. BTW.. why would you put that in your auctions? Is it perhaps because he's had a lot of people complaining about his rates? Hmmm.. "pay me or else".. etc., etc.) I believe someone should stick to their word.

The guy sells continuously. He is selling now. I have bought six items from him in the last few weeks.. and he has never left feedback as he says he would. For someone who seemingly runs a semi-major eBay online retail business.. I'm sorry.. but I'm not going to take "my computer was broke and I couldn't get online" as an excuse either. He's doing business each and every day.. he takes money.. and sends items out.. you CAN'T deal on eBay WITHOUT a computer.

Most of my feedbacks.. wait.. practically ALL of my feedbacks.. are as a buyer.. and I pay promptly like any seller would expect.. or like; but having been a seller in the past at times as well.. I have always left someone a positive feedback the day they pay me. I could care less what the seller follows up with because I stand behind my service when I'm a seller (again.. check my feedback AS a seller).

Don't get me wrong.. I ALMOST understand why some sellers wait for feedback from their buyers BEFORE they leave positives anymore because there are some "kooks" out there who will NEVER be satisfied.. but when you state you leave feedback.. and you don't.. your a liar in my book.. plain & simple.

I realize that this is probably going to ruin my semi-sparkling reputation and feedback as a buyer.. but I'm well past the point of giving a shit anymore. If I buy something off a seller and he chooses not to let me.. so be it. We all know that eBay's feedback sytem has turned into a "sham" in the past few years. It has turned into a meaningless number for most of us.. retaliatory feedback is rampant.. any 14 year old can sign up with a "newb" account (credit card NOT required) and make any revenge bid on an auction totaling thousands of dollars and costing a seller big bucks in fees BEFORE they can recoup simply because the little turd is offended by a seller's "stipulations".. happens every day. My point is I don't give a shit anymore. I try to be courteous and prompt to a seller.. I treat them like I would expect to be treated. For god's sake.. EVERY auction I win.. when I pay through PayPal.. I ALWAYS include the message:

"Please e-mail me with confirmation of payment receipt OR (I used to put and/or.. but realized maybe that was asking for too much) when item is shipped. Thank you."

.. I pay promptly. Guess how many times I've never even HEARD from a buyer in any way, shape or fashion.. until the item arrives in my mailbox weeks later? I do this NOT because I'm worried they WON'T get their money (PayPal hasn't screwed up on me in 4 years) but BECAUSE I'm afraid some seller may overlook my payment and neg me before I get a chance to respond.. it's called.. Covering My A**.

Maybe I expect too much. Common courtesy is non-existant nowdays.. except when I buy from this forum.

[scorch56]

WOW!! Looks like a couple of negs got him to respond within the hour! At five o'clock in the morning!.. no less!

Ah well.. 6 negs from the same guy (BTW.. I gave him positives on four of his own from me) doesn't mean jack-sh*t to me anymore.

Too bad he couldn't have been so prompt with his positives (or something.. anything).. or this never would have happened.

Like I said.. I pay within 24 hours.. he shoulda' had no complaints.

He said he leaves feedback every Monday; but I've waited too many Mondays since my first buys from him and sent him too many e-mails practically begging him to respond in kind.. whatever.

[Griking]

Wow, I think you went way overboard by leaving him negative feedback if you had no problems with the transaction itself. While its always nice to get positive feedback from someone I never looked at it as mandatory . I'd be pissed if it were me.

[Hep038]

You want my opinion? Just added "scorch56" to my Non-Ebay list. Nothing personal but if I give you a good product at a price you agreed to pay and then you leave me Neg Feedback. All because I did not give you feedback fast enough. No thanks I am sure there is someone else out there who will buy my crap with out blackmailing me for feedback.

[captain nintendo]

If he provided you with the product in which you bid in a timely fashion then you should have left positive feedback or none at all.

You should not have been sucked into a pissing match.
(which it sounds like you started) IMO.


Lesson learned , move along.

[punkoffgirl]

I, too, feel it was inappropriate to leave negative feedback on other, unrelated, successful/non-problematic auctions, simply because the buyer did not leave you any feedback before.

But I guess now you've gotten what you wanted, right? He left you feedback.

[Iron Draggon]

I hate it when I never hear a word from a seller too. It makes me nervous. But I still always leave them positive feedback, as long as I'm satisfied with everything else about the transaction. No point in being upset about all the little things. Some sellers do so much business they just don't have time for it. I suspect that guy is one of them. He probably tried his best to keep his word for as long as he could, but at some point he just had to give up on it.

But I agree that he should remove that promise from his auctions, if he's no longer able to keep his word. Leaving it there is misleading, and I agree that you have a right to be upset about it, but I sure as heck wouldn't leave him a neg over it and be so starved for feedback that I would practically beg a seller for it. That's just asking for a neg, if you piss him off enough pestering him about it. And if it's so meaningless, why are you even worried about it?

Frankly, it would suit me just fine if ebay would simply do away with their feedback system, and get serious about repeat offenders. It never has made any sense to me how someone can obviously rip a bunch of people off, and still be allowed to do buisiness there, as if nothing bad had ever happened. A shitload of positives is worthless to the unlucky people who left negatives, and it should be meaningless to ebay too, but it's not. Their attituide seems to be more like sure, he ripped a few people off, but otherwise he's honest. That's nonsense. If he only ripped one person off, he's no longer honest.

I also think that if a seller can prove that a neg or a neutral was undeserved, then they should be able to have those rates removed, instead of having to respond to them and hope that other buyers believe their side of the story. That in itself creates too much distrust for some buyers, and it leaves the seller with losing potential customers unfairly, all over some newb kid and his revenge rate, as you said. It really is entirely too easy to damage a seller's reputation on ebay, and it's entirely too difficult for him to restore trust in his good name once the damage has been done, so the whole system sucks.

But unfortunately, as it is, we're stuck with it as it is. So I would've written to ebay and complained about the false and misleading information contained in all his auctions, before I just left him a neg over it, if I was really that upset over it. Let them be the assholes and the ones to pester him about all that. I don't mean to be rude, but really, this does sound pretty damned childish. There are far better things to do on ebay besides worrying that much about feedback. And you knew the seller was just gonna block you from bidding on his auctions anymore, so what did you accomplish? He's still in business, and now you can't do any business with him at all anymore, even if you want to. So all you've done is piss him off, and you still didn't get any feedback for it.

[peeingas]

Some people seem to care more about feedback than the actual item. Are you on ebay to buy feedback or the item? Unless you sell, feedback doesn't really matter to much

[scorch56]

He sent me this letter and I replied with this; it explains my point exactly; and why I feel the way I do. If you make a statement in your auctions.. you should stick to it.. plain & simple. That's called "good business practice"; and Griking.. I would expect no less a response from you :angel: :

----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Mohajeri


I hope you enjoy my feedback.
195VG

MY reply:

Look.. I repeatedly asked you to leave me feedback.. WELL after I left you positive ones regarding my first three items bought from you; and you ignored me. You never returned a reply to my e-mails; never gave me feedback; never even told me you WOULD get to it.

What the hell was I supposed to do?

I understand you're a "Power Seller", and possibly.. a busy guy; but if you put in your auctions "Feedback is left every Monday for positive feedback left" then you should do just THAT! .. or change your description to: "Feedback is left as soon as I have the time; but WILL be left." or something like that. For a person who makes so many demands on how, what and when his customers can.. and BETTER pay, you certainly seem to waver when it comes to your OWN way of doing business.

Likewise.. if you had said "I DON'T leave feedback.".. I could've dealt with that as well. I buy from LOTS of sellers who don't leave feedback and it doesn't bother me one bit.

Try to put yourself in the place of a buyer for once (BTW.. I've been a seller in the past as well.. so I know there are two sides to every story; and have been burnt both as a buyer and a seller.). When I leave YOU feedback.. it's a done deal. There's no recourse for me (except for a measly "reply"); but it STILL leaves me open for you to say anything about me you want UNTIL YOU leave feedback. As soon as we both leave feedback.. the case is closed as far as I'm concerned.

In OUR specific case.. you remember the "troubles" I had paying you for multiple items. After I had figured out how to do it.. I wrote you a very courteous e-mail giving you some advice on how you could save future customers some trouble.. and possibly even close up a "loophole" in your payment system that let buyers apply their discounts (Something of which I'm sure.. sholud make you a little uneasy). I STILL have a copy of that e-mail should you like to see it again.

You never replied.. so when you DIDN'T leave me feedback and I DID leave you feedback (positives at first.. I might add; after all.. the payment method and my woes should have no bearing on the service I received); what was I to think? For all I know you could've been holding judgement on me because you were pissed and I had NO idea what you were going to leave.. if you ever were! Are you aware that you can leave feedback for ninety days after a sale? You could've waited to the 90th day and then left a neg which I COULDN'T have responded to for all I know (It's been done before.).

If you could prove to me that you didn't leave feedback for ANYBODY in the last few weeks (highly unlikely) then I could understand that as well; for whatever your reasons (We all have problems) and apologize; but I doubt that is the case. You are an ongoing seller and you conduct and transact business on eBay every day so there's no excuse in my book. Do you live in Florida? Undestandable as well.. just tell me or mention it in your auctions.. that's all.

What I DO find amusing however.. you leave feedback every Monday (supposedly) but were VERY quick to respond to my negative. Nope.. Mr. Mohajeri.. it seems that you're "right on the ball" when you want to be.

As for the 6 negs you left me.. I could care less. My past record speaks for itself; and I doubt very much that any seller will deny me a sale simply based on your feedback; and if they do.. so be it.. because if they conduct business like you.. I don't want to deal with them anyway.

I have always been fair, patient and quick to pay with ALL sellers (including you.. you must agree). I repeatedly e-mailed you asking you to leave feedback and you never replied. I see that ANY neg you have gotten in the past about your items or service is simply always responded to in your retaliatory neg feedbacks with a blanket statement "Buyer didn't e-mail me with problems", my record with you seems to lead me to believe otherwise. If somebody offends you or is simply unsatisfied.. you simply ignore them and then respond with a neg AFTER they neg you.

That's a "childish" business practice in my opinion.

Have a nice day.

Michael

.......... The way I see it I damaged his reputation very little; and he did likewise to mine. Most sellers are not going to take into account one last bad transaction with ONE seller in making a judgement. They look at the overall record as a whole and mine was practically impeccable. Am I satisfied now? Yes. Would I do it gain? I don't really know.. possibly. Stick a fork in it..

Feel free to add me to your "blocked bidders" list as you see fit. There are plenty more sellers on eBay willing to take my money from a buyer who is prompt and courteous; and YES.. until last night.. my feedback was VERY importatnt to me. If you cant beat 'em..

BTW- ID was "right on" with his statement about the feedback system and what a "sham" it has become. Unfortunately.. eBay will NEVER get rid of it because it still DOES mean a lot to so many people.. I'm just not one of them anymore.

[mickoz]

Hello,

I have a problem with someone that respond to you and never respond to you. Actually there is some people that respond to you then stop and I just hate it, even after 3-4 emails.

But still you have to understand, if someone sell 50-100 games a weeks, you think you are the only one that send him email?

I dislike if he "ignore some email", I personally respond to all my email, but sometime I respond some month or year later (it happened, but I responded!!!)

Of course when you sell, it should be a part of your service. Some people sale online at cheaper price too, because it costs less time to do human interaction.

But if everything go well beside the feedback, you should not leave a negative.

[mickoz]

You can always go ahead and offer to retract your feedback if you believe he is correct. Anyway he has a lot of feedback, it is not like he had a 100% record...

[scorch56]

You can always go ahead and offer to retract your feedback if you believe he is correct. Anyway he has a lot of feedback, it is not like he had a 100% record...

I won't offer to retract my feedback because I DON'T think he is correct (My reply is the big long-drawn out one. We are both named Michael.. a bit confusing.).

Besides.. retracting feedback is a mutual thing and has to be agreed on by BOTH parties. Once that is done.. the feedback score (pos, neg or neut) doesn't figure into your percentage amount anymore.. but the comments stay behind for everybody to see.. another one of Ebay's idiotic useless ideas.

[LiquidX01]

Scorch, Nothing personal but you have to understand that Feedback is optional and neither the buyer nor the seller is required to leave it. I think that the reason for you leaving the negatives was lame, as long as you got your stuff as promised and advertised then you shouldnt have left them.

Why is feedback so important to you? I could understand if you were some high volume seller but if you just buy most of the time I'd say screw the feedback. I have left more feedback then I have received but I dont go hounding for some from everyone because thats when you start annoying sellers and then you get Neg'd. You could always use Squaretrade to at least remove the negatives and fix your percentage, yes the comments are still there but the majority of times people only look at the percentage and not the comments especially when their not visible on the first page. :o

[scorch56]

Scorch, Nothing personal but you have to understand that Feedback is optional and neither the buyer nor the seller is required to leave it. I think that the reason for you leaving the negatives was lame, as long as you got your stuff as promised and advertised then you shouldnt have left them.

Why is feedback so important to you? I could understand if you were some high volume seller but if you just buy most of the time I'd say screw the feedback. I have left more feedback then I have received but I dont go hounding for some from everyone because thats when you start annoying sellers and then you get Neg'd. You could always use Squaretrade to at least remove the negatives and fix your percentage, yes the comments are still there but the majority of times people only look at the percentage and not the comments especially when their not visible on the first page. :o

LOOK.. AT.. HIS.. ADS!:

"All feedback will be left weekly, every Monday, for all feedback we have received." (In BOLD letters.. I might add.)

"Problems? Contact us first before you leave any feedback."

.. I e-mailed him SEVERAL times asking him to PLEASE leave feedback. Geez.. you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out. If you aren't going to do it.. then why the HELL put it in your terms statement?

"but the majority of times people only look at the percentage and not the comments"

.. which is why I'M NOT worried about him negging ME EITHER!

Is this such a hard concept to understand?

[LiquidX01]

Frankly, it would suit me just fine if ebay would simply do away with their feedback system, and get serious about repeat offenders. It never has made any sense to me how someone can obviously rip a bunch of people off, and still be allowed to do buisiness there, as if nothing bad had ever happened. A shitload of positives is worthless to the unlucky people who left negatives, and it should be meaningless to ebay too, but it's not. Their attituide seems to be more like sure, he ripped a few people off, but otherwise he's honest. That's nonsense. If he only ripped one person off, he's no longer honest.

I agree, But the only reason why they dont at the very least suspend a seller, especially a high volume seller, Is because they continue to bring in money and with many business' thats the bottom line. :angry:

[LiquidX01]

Scorch, Nothing personal but you have to understand that Feedback is optional and neither the buyer nor the seller is required to leave it. I think that the reason for you leaving the negatives was lame, as long as you got your stuff as promised and advertised then you shouldnt have left them.

Why is feedback so important to you? I could understand if you were some high volume seller but if you just buy most of the time I'd say screw the feedback. I have left more feedback then I have received but I dont go hounding for some from everyone because thats when you start annoying sellers and then you get Neg'd. You could always use Squaretrade to at least remove the negatives and fix your percentage, yes the comments are still there but the majority of times people only look at the percentage and not the comments especially when their not visible on the first page. :o


"but the majority of times people only look at the percentage and not the comments"

.. which is why I'M NOT worried about him negging ME EITHER!

Is this such a hard concept to understand?

Then if thats the case, Why post about it?

"Is this such a hard concept to understand?"

No, but a stupid one.

[scorch56]

.. whatever. :roll:

[Ed Oscuro]

You know, I'm still waiting to get the rest of my x68K stuff. It's been well over a year since I paid for everything. I last sent an email, enquiring as to when the second and final box would ship out, maybe a week ago...or more.

No response.

I'm not pissing myself about it.

You're well within your rights to do that, I suppose, because you "want to be heard," but I could see some sellers not having time to leave feedback. It doesn't make them money, and while that means he broke his promise, that's NOT the most important part of his service to you.

Frankly, I wouldn't care if I never came into contact with some of the people I've bought things from EVER AGAIN...which is what would've been a wise decision in your case.

[-hellvin-]

I can understand how this would set you off. There was one guy who charged me seperate shipping on a lot of fucking manuals that were EACH WAY overpriced to ship out as well as required insurance, and then he ships them out to me and they arrive in the same package with about 1/6 the shipping cost. Even then I just left no feedback and learned to carefully read auctions before BINing and never bought from msam24 or whoever the fuck again. I am getting so sick of ebay I try to find alternate places to sell. Someone just recently filed a claim against me on paypal and of course I got burned because I choose to ship at the store that's right next to my house since it's close even though he offers no tracking on usps...so what happens? He destroyed my paypal account and I had to reopen a new one. Did he email me first? No. Respond to my inquiring emails? No. Just filed a claim to try and get his money back. Whatever. Just don't dwell on it and move on.

Oh yeah, and I'm STILL waiting for this genesis lot I got a little while ago and it's never going to arrive. It's a shitty thing to have to accept I just basically pissed on a 20 dollar bill and flushed it down the toilet, but shit happens ;D!

[Lost Monkey]

.. whatever. :roll:

The funny thing is, 195videogames was in the process of catching up on feedback.. he had left feedback up to a few days worth of auctions before yours.. you just gave him the extra "egging on" he needed to catch up... Bravo! LOL

On September 20th, he had left feedback in bulk for auctions ended up to the 25th of August or so...

Feedback Left (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedbackMemberLeft&memberid=195videogames&items=25&page=10&frompage=-1&iid=-1&de=off)

[anagrama]

Probably half of all buyers & sellers I've dealt with don't bother to leave feedback, despite the fact that I always do.
And ya know what? It doesn't bother me in the slightest - I've got enough fb already (over 500, 99.4% pos) so that anyone can see I can be relied upon, and time is too precious to spend it chasing after people for it.

To leave a neg because you haven't recieved fb is fucking ridiculous, frankly.
If you've already got 300+ positives, why does one or two extra matter so much?

[tynstar]

Damn man it is only feedback. I have bought from this seller and I did have to email him for a revised PayPal invoice. It took a few days to get but I got it. And he left me feedback after a little while.

But if I was him I would be pissed if you recieved what you want as stated in the auction and then stiill left neg feedback.

[kevincure]

scorch, there is no question that a seller will neg you for leaving a neg, given the circumstances. You shouldn't expect feedback in every deal, no matter what the auction says. A positive with "items in good condition, but seller slow to leave feedback" would've been in line with standard ebay practices. You don't complain to the Better Business Bureau if a store forgets to give you a receipt, and you don't neg someone for being slow with feedback.

[farfel]

I have e-mailed him MANY times over the past three weeks asking him to leave me feedback .-. So tonight I left him negs instead. I don't give a rat's ass if he negs me back (he will.. that's his pattern);

I file negative feedback asap but positive feedback once a month. Saves time to file 100+ feedbacks once.

But if you did that I'd leave negatives AND file non-paying bidder alerts with ebay. I have no patience for idiot buyers. I sell the game - You buy it - I provide good service - You leave happy. THE END

I don't have time to waste for stupid bs.

"WARNING scorch is impatient buyer & leaves neg feedback over trivial issues AVOID AVOID"

[anagrama]

But if you did that I'd leave negatives AND file non-paying bidder alerts with ebay. I have no patience for idiot buyers.


You would file a NPB report even though he paid? That's just blatantly fraudulent, and more of a breach of eBay rules than anything scorch has done.
Why do people have to get so pissy about feedback? Fact is, as a buyer it's practically irrelavent. You are still able to place bids on whatever you want, and a seller is only going to cancel them if you've got a huge negative %age.

[farfel]

Yeah you're right I should not do that. I just get angry.

As a seller negative feedback hurts my sales. I get angry when I have dumb buyers leaving negs when I deserve a positive.

[anagrama]

As a seller negative feedback hurts my sales. I get angry when I have dumb buyers leaving negs when I deserve a positive.

That's true, and the 3 negs I've got are all from buyers, 2 of them from NPB's leaving retaliatory feedback after I've negged them. Even so, it doesn't really bother me since that's 3 negs vs ~500 pos, and I just respond to them saying "This is retaliatory feedback. Please ignore".

In a perfect world it wouldn't happen, but it's not really a big enough deal for me to worry about.

[16-bit]

All he did was request feedback per the sellers policy, and I do not see the challenge in complying with that unless there was an emergency or an email compatibility issue. Moreover, Scorch56 placed a large order and paid fast. That is not a customer worth losing--especially over such a petty matter.

Even negative feedback can be constructive and help the sellers bottom line.
Who knows how many potential repeat customers he/she could lose in the future due to failure to respond to feedback requests?