DP: TOP 50 Worst Games: RENEGADE - WHY!?

[Sebastian]

Target: Renegade, Taito for NES
If standing knee-deep in quicksand while thugs pummel the living daylights out of you is your idea of fun, then you’ll surely love this game. If that’s NOT your idea of fun, don’t bother plugging this cart into your NES. An insult to the Renegade franchise. - Dave G

What the hell is wrong with me...am I the only person on the planet who likes that go!? Wherever I go - ppl alwaaaaays hate it.

WELL I LIKE IT - AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT

[Ed Oscuro]

Ha ha! I think I mentioned earlier this week that Renegade was one of the very FIRST games I MAME'd. After all, it has a cool title, right? You might mistake it for a certain game called Rampage, which I almost just did, too.

The arcade version's bad enough, really.

So, upon seeing this topic, I got ahold of my, ahem, copy, loaded it up for a looksee.

Well, this can't be the same game! Looks like River City Ransom, though your hero looks more like a zero.

Yet...why's he kicking the wrong way? Huh? Well, there you have it. Within five-ten seconds I was off that ledge to the right. GET LOST, PUNK! LOL

[Oobgarm]

Heed the words handed down by Dave G, he knows of what he speaks.

All hail Dave G.

Amen.

[Sebastian]

"Huh? Well, there you have it. Within five-ten seconds I was off that ledge to the right. GET LOST, PUNK! "

Just cuz u don't know how to play the game does not mean it is a bad game

does bad = hard

and

good = easy

I played it for soooome time ...and I have no trouble with controls -> the list of moves for NES is awesome ....and GFX are not bad (for nes) either. SO WTF!?

[Ed Oscuro]

Well, it would help if he consistently kicked in the same direction!

I'll give it this, though - looks like it handles better (otherwise) than most of those trashy Double Dragon games (most - trashy - some aren't!)

[Raccoon Lad]

And amazingly enough, they released this game for the Sega Master System in 1993 with a graphic face-lift for some unknown reason.

[slownerveaction]

I think people here are confusing Renegade -- the Technos-developed arcade/NES/SMS precursor to the Kunio/River City Ransom series -- with Target: Renegade. They're two totally different games.

Both are pretty bad, if you ask me. But at least the original Renegade can be given credit for being the first true modern beat-em-up.

[Arcade Antics]

Target: Renegade, Taito for NES
If standing knee-deep in quicksand while thugs pummel the living daylights out of you is your idea of fun, then you’ll surely love this game. If that’s NOT your idea of fun, don’t bother plugging this cart into your NES. An insult to the Renegade franchise. - Dave G

What the hell is wrong with me...am I the only person on the planet who likes that go!? Wherever I go - ppl alwaaaaays hate it.

WELL I LIKE IT - AND I DONT GIVE A SHIT

Whew! Okay... You missed a few salient things here.

First point - The mini review that you quoted here is of the game "TARGET: RENEGADE," not "RENEGADE." They're two completely different games. :) On the 1-10 scale (1 being worst, 10 best), Target: Renegade scores a "sucks really, really bad" rating.

Second point - I actually LIKE Renegade (the arcade game) quite a bit. Went out and bought the boards for a JAMMA cab about ten years ago and everything. Mastered the game, still play it to this day. Still use the phrases "givin' up already?" and "get lost, PUNK!" to this day as well. LOL

Last point - the NES version of Renegade is extraordinarily weak. It's one of those games I categorize as "in name only." If it was called something else, I wouldn't dislike it as much, but as a port of the coin-op, which is what the game was billed as, it fails miserably. :)

[slownerveaction]

Second point - I actually LIKE Renegade (the arcade game) quite a bit. Went out and bought the boards for a JAMMA cab about ten years ago and everything. Mastered the game, still play it to this day. Still use the phrases "givin' up already?" and "get lost, PUNK!" to this day as well. LOL

Last point - the NES version of Renegade is extraordinarily weak. It's one of those games I categorize as "in name only." If it was called something else, I wouldn't dislike it as much, but as a port of the coin-op, which is what the game was billed as, it fails miserably. :)

I've actually never played the arcade version of Renegade. The NES one is definitely weak sauce. Does the arcade one have the annoyingly arbitrary "choose a door" bit at the end?

[Arcade Antics]

I've actually never played the arcade version of Renegade. The NES one is definitely weak sauce. Does the arcade one have the annoyingly arbitrary "choose a door" bit at the end?

Nope, that was tacked-on, home-version only BS. LOL It's funny - you know they added it because some Suit said to put it in to drag out the gameplay time, but it only makes the game suck. The coin-op does the "start over from the beginning" loop thing that is (at least to me) much more enjoyable.

The end is much like the end of Double Dragon (arcade version). The evil final boss shows up with his henchmen (who brandish straight razors). And the evil boss has a gun. :)

But it's definitely tougher than Double Dragon. Excellent game.

[rbudrick]

Target Renegade is a piece of shit.

Renegade has those wierd reverse controls ala Double Dragon II....I always liked the NES version. I used to have it as a kid. Some of those boss dudes were a real bitch! Especially that big tall fat ass mama who beats you wlike a rag doll. Getting stuck ina room with a couple of them is practically a death sentence...

-Rob

[NE146]

Renegade was one of the very first titles I bought for my Sega Master System! :)

..And one of the least played x_x

[Neil Koch]

Renegade was pretty fun in the arcade once you got used to the controls... the home version was okay but I think they censored it and the "doors" at the end are dumb.

Target Renegage is a pile of crap. I seem to recall taking a sledgehammer to it.

[Hep038]

Aww Man This is why I love DP!!!!
I love the Nes Version and still play it to this day. Now I have never played the arcade version, so I am licking my chops to try when I get home. IF not for DP I would have never given the arcade version a try.


P.S. The same thing happened last week when somebody listed the first 50 Playstation releases, I saw ESPN extreme on the list went home called my brother over and we played about 2 hours worth.

[Ed Oscuro]

does bad = hard

and

good = easy

I played it for soooome time ...and I have no trouble with controls -> the list of moves for NES is awesome ....and GFX are not bad (for nes) either. SO WTF!?
Alright, alright! Don't worry, I never abandon a game when I've first tried it out. I'll play through it some more when I've got time. So far it seems a bit on the weak side - but I don't see many NES BEUs that aren't - but not horrible, i.e. Double Dragon II/Genesis...

[jerkov]

I haven't played the NES Renegade in a while, but I always liked the game. Not as good as the other Technos beat-em-ups (all the Double Dragons, RCR) or a game like Mighty Final Fight, but a passable game. I never beat it, due to the goddamn doors in the last level. I could never figure that part out.

I never played the arcade version.

[Graham Mitchell]

I must be the only person on the planet who thought Target:Renegade was awesome. The controls are a little...er...different, but it's still fun, and it looks really good, too. But whatever...I thought Shenmue was incredible and everybody seems to hate that too. :o

[Sebastian]

Target Renegade is a piece of shit.

Renegade has those wierd reverse controls ala Double Dragon II....I always liked the NES version. I used to have it as a kid. Some of those boss dudes were a real bitch! Especially that big tall fat ass mama who beats you wlike a rag doll. Getting stuck ina room with a couple of them is practically a death sentence...

-Rob

Amen - same story here. I had this game as a kid - and I still love it. It was a bitch at first (to learn) ...but once u get the feeling for it (1 hour ...i'd say) it becomes fun.

And yea....that asian fat ass bioch is sooo not good...but there is a strategy for it -> 3 jump kicks....run....3 jump kicks...run - then when she is weak use grab combos to finish the deal....and make sure u dont run too much cuz if there is 2 of them u might run out of time.

As for doors - it kinda sux - but in the end I like it. Cuz I like to go different ways to find new rooms and new challenges. Like recently I found a room with 3 bosses at the same time...Craz-ey! BUT FUN!

Guys who say this game sux because it is challenging are PANZIES! Go play Elmo's world!

[slownerveaction]

Nope, that was tacked-on, home-version only BS. LOL It's funny - you know they added it because some Suit said to put it in to drag out the gameplay time, but it only makes the game suck. The coin-op does the "start over from the beginning" loop thing that is (at least to me) much more enjoyable.

The end is much like the end of Double Dragon (arcade version). The evil final boss shows up with his henchmen (who brandish straight razors). And the evil boss has a gun. :)

But it's definitely tougher than Double Dragon. Excellent game.

Thanks for the info! "No doors" = instant major improvement!

[Sebastian]

again I dont think "doors" are all that bad. No matter how u think of it in the end it adds more re-play value...cuz there is so many frikin doors u never know - u mite just find another room.

But I guess thats a kinda "hardcore gamer" way of putting it. For those of u who just think of beating the game and getting it back on ur shelf ...thats a different story.

[Ed Oscuro]

Ack...Where I wrote "Renegade" up above, that should be "Vigilante" LOL

Seems the arcade game has the same problems as the NES game (and how do you get out of a hold??) - but it seems to have more charm than Vigilante. Much more! Damn, here I'm mistaking TG-16 games for NES games...that's pretty bad. :P

This Renegade seems pretty...so-so...but Vigilante...don't get me started. That game's nearly impossible, never mind that you can't do anything to REACH certain bad dudes when they've got a knife before they cut you (maybe a jump kick?), and when you come down one of the four guys on your tail will grab you. Horrible, horrible. Nice dispatching the basic goon with one kick, but the rest is terrible. The ambience/music/speech samples are great, though!

[Graham Mitchell]

Ack...Where I wrote "Renegade" up above, that should be "Vigilante" LOL

Seems the arcade game has the same problems as the NES game (and how do you get out of a hold??) - but it seems to have more charm than Vigilante. Much more! Damn, here I'm mistaking TG-16 games for NES games...that's pretty bad. :P

This Renegade seems pretty...so-so...but Vigilante...don't get me started. That game's nearly impossible, never mind that you can't do anything to REACH certain bad dudes when they've got a knife before they cut you (maybe a jump kick?), and when you come down one of the four guys on your tail will grab you. Horrible, horrible. Nice dispatching the basic goon with one kick, but the rest is terrible. The ambience/music/speech samples are great, though!

"Mo-Donna!" is a great voice sample. I also love it that there's a bar in the background called the "PIPI Room". That got my imagination running wild when I was a kid.

Vigilante itsn't impossible, though. I've beat that game millions of times. I don't play it anymore because it's so old hat for me now, in fact. It's all about using those rapid fire switches! LOL

[Arcade Antics]

again I dont think "doors" are all that bad. No matter how u think of it in the end it adds more re-play value...cuz there is so many frikin doors u never know - u mite just find another room.

But I guess thats a kinda "hardcore gamer" way of putting it. For those of u who just think of beating the game and getting it back on ur shelf ...thats a different story.

But they don't add replay value. They add "suck factor" to a game that didn't need it.

If you want to play a game with doors like that, play Shenanigade, not Renegade. No sense in ruining a perfectly good game.

RENEGADE doesn't have those doors. It's a stupid move for the company to add some lame crap like that to a game that would have sold gangbusters if it was just a straight port.

[Sebastian]

again I dont think "doors" are all that bad. No matter how u think of it in the end it adds more re-play value...cuz there is so many frikin doors u never know - u mite just find another room.

But I guess thats a kinda "hardcore gamer" way of putting it. For those of u who just think of beating the game and getting it back on ur shelf ...thats a different story.

But they don't add replay value. They add "suck factor" to a game that didn't need it.

If you want to play a game with doors like that, play Shenanigade, not Renegade. No sense in ruining a perfectly good game.

RENEGADE doesn't have those doors. It's a stupid move for the company to add some lame crap like that to a game that would have sold gangbusters if it was just a straight port.

I totally disagree - For me the "doors" are a total extension of the game's value. As I mentioned above....I just picked it up again few weeks ago and found new rooms with new challenges. I guess u just fail to understand my point. ehhh

[Dire 51]

This Renegade seems pretty...so-so...but Vigilante...don't get me started. That game's nearly impossible, never mind that you can't do anything to REACH certain bad dudes when they've got a knife before they cut you (maybe a jump kick?), and when you come down one of the four guys on your tail will grab you. Horrible, horrible. Nice dispatching the basic goon with one kick, but the rest is terrible. The ambience/music/speech samples are great, though!

Has anyone besides me noticed that Vigilante seems to be a prettier (and harder) version of Kung Fu Master with weapons? Hell, they were both by Irem, which most likely accounts for the similarities (probably the team that created Vigilante had KFM in mind when they thought Vigilante up).

[Graham Mitchell]

Has anyone besides me noticed that Vigilante seems to be a prettier (and harder) version of Kung Fu Master with weapons? Hell, they were both by Irem, which most likely accounts for the similarities (probably the team that created Vigilante had KFM in mind when they thought Vigilante up).

Yeah, that's exactly what Vigilante is. I like KFM, though, so Vigilante appeals to me on some level.

The game isn't life-changing or anything, but it's not a complete piece of crap. It's pretty fun, if you're into that sort of KFM/My Hero style gameplay.

[Arcade Antics]

again I dont think "doors" are all that bad. No matter how u think of it in the end it adds more re-play value...cuz there is so many frikin doors u never know - u mite just find another room.

But I guess thats a kinda "hardcore gamer" way of putting it. For those of u who just think of beating the game and getting it back on ur shelf ...thats a different story.

But they don't add replay value. They add "suck factor" to a game that didn't need it.

If you want to play a game with doors like that, play Shenanigade, not Renegade. No sense in ruining a perfectly good game.

RENEGADE doesn't have those doors. It's a stupid move for the company to add some lame crap like that to a game that would have sold gangbusters if it was just a straight port.

I totally disagree - For me the "doors" are a total extension of the game's value. As I mentioned above....I just picked it up again few weeks ago and found new rooms with new challenges. I guess u just fail to understand my point. ehhh

No, I think you don't understand my point. :)

The game that you like on the NES that's called "Renegade" is NOT, in actuality, Renegade.

It's anything else. Ruinedegade, Runtigade, Crapegade, whatever. But it's not Renegade.

That's it. :)

[Sebastian]

Dude this is not about the arcade version. I DON'T CARE ABOUT THE ARCADE VERSION! I never played it...i prolly never will.

This topic is about the NES version....and just because it is not as good as the arcade version makes no difference to me.

I like the NES version - and this topic is about the NES version

you can't label a game - "bad", just because threre is a better game out there.

[mhsy2a]

I had never played this game before reading the thread, and after downloading and playing it, I feel like it is a very sub-par game.

If you like the game, more power to you. There's no reason to flame because people have differnet opinions.

[Sebastian]

No one is "flaming" ...its just a "heated" argument LOL

[The Manimal]

Target: Renegade is one of the few NES games I bought that were so bad that I sold...