Anyone have the same problem I do? [Archive]

chicnstu

10-10-2004, 11:28 PM

I have a VERY VERY VERY hard time getting games. I don't make money very often and when I do, I don't get the amount I need for what I want. I am currently trying to save up $50 to buy a game from someone and I have $16 so far (I have been working for 2 or 3 weeks). I rely on trading to get the games I want but it is so hard on me for trading because I love just about every game I own. I can't afford my hobby and it just makes me so depressed........ :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

And something that doesn't help is I see all these people on here (flack and some others) that have the money to go out and buy arcade machines and really rare prototype systems and games. I have a want list that, if you printed it out it, would probably be 4 or 5 pages long..........

And don't tell me to get a job because I can't. I am the right age now (16) but I can't because I get really nervous when I am around other people.

Anyone have this problem also?

Kilik Kurosawa

10-10-2004, 11:34 PM

No matter what age money will ALWAYS be a problem. You have plenty of time to finish that want list, collecting is an addicting art that is meant to take you on a long adventure. for now do what most of us do and hit the bargain bins, Goodwills, Salvation Armies, and you never know what you may find.

chicnstu

10-10-2004, 11:39 PM

hehe, I have tried going to Goodwill, or any other thrift stores but I never have the money to buy anything. I saw a couple complete Genesis and N64 systems (that worked) for $5 each at a thrift store a couple weeks ago and I didn't even have the money to buy one of them.

ARGHHHHHH :angry:

Kilik Kurosawa

10-10-2004, 11:44 PM

wait until you have a gf / wife / signifigant other.........then it gets real hard...especially if you have all three

chicnstu

10-10-2004, 11:48 PM

haha, all three LOL LOL LOL LOL

How can you have a wife, a girlfriend, and a significant other at the same time? Cheating?

jezt

10-11-2004, 12:14 AM

wait until you have a gf / wife / signifigant other.........then it gets real hard...especially if you have all three

YOU CAN SAY THAT AGAIN BROTHA> LOL

FlufflePuff

10-11-2004, 12:14 AM

If you're nervous around people and it prevents you from working you need to seek help. At some point in your life you're probably going to have to work, and it doesn't get any easier. Start now so it doesn't seem so bad later. :) At least that's my recommendation. Plus there are plenty of jobs in which you can work by yourself, or with minimal interaction. Warehouse workers, dishwashers, custodian all don't really require that much interaction with customer's and/or other employees.

jezt

10-11-2004, 12:21 AM

He's right about that work thing. If you told me two years ago that I would be working fifty plus hours a week, I would tell you that you were crazy. But here I am nonetheless killin myself five days a week, and I still have trouble buying stuff I want. Get use to working now dude, it trully doesnt get any easier.

marshalldylan1

10-11-2004, 01:32 AM

I have the same problem as you. Having no job, or car throws you back a bit. I most rely on my parents for money by doing jobs for them.

Habeeb Hamusta

10-11-2004, 01:48 AM

Yeah I am also 16. So I know what it's like. But I have found ways to earn money easily.

If you're going to public school, and get lunch money, I suggest saving it up. It's worth missing lunch all week, even if it is a few dollars. You can also try selling off various things you own. Depending on what the item is, it can bring in some nice income. Like right now I'm trying to sell a couple of electric guitars that I've had for a while and don't play.

Concering jobs, try getting under the table jobs where taxes can't be taken out. These can range from painting, yardwork, to construction. They pay well and require little interaction with people.

Hope I helped. Good Luck. :)

DasCrewShtool

10-11-2004, 02:00 AM

if it is that tuff, there is always a life of crime!!!!

Videogamerdaryll

10-11-2004, 02:02 AM

What game is it that your currently trying to buy..?

couple complete Genesis and N64 systems (that worked) for $5 each at a thrift store

Buy and Sell video-Systems & games on Ebay or elsewhere..

Spend the $16.00 on three systems at the thrift and resell them ..if you sold each for $10.00 each even you just doubled you money.
Start an Ebay business.
Buy them cheap and sell them for more..This will get you money to buy games..

I pay Ebay fees by Money order..I never put a Credit card online..It can be done just by paying/starting a sellers account without a credit card.
Though..If you could get you parents to start you off maybe they'd pay the fee or set you up..

SoulBlazer

10-11-2004, 02:45 AM

One of the things that helps me is that I'm a gamer and not a collector. If I buy a game and hate it, it goes up for sale on Amazon and the money is recycled into a new game. I look around for bargins and used games. If I don't touch a game after a year, it goes up for sale. If I finish a game and decide it does'nt have mich replay value, it goes up for sale. It keeps my console collection rather small (around 6-10 each for GC, PS2, XBox, and GBA games) but they are all high quality games that will get a lot of use.

MarioAllStar2600

10-11-2004, 02:52 AM

Nope.
I can honestly say I never have a trouble making money. I always seem to find a way to get some cash whether it be selling something, working, or doing little stuff for 5 bucks fro my mom.

All I can say to you is start collecting something easy. Just collect commons for popular systems like NES right now. Don't worry about raritys till you have a better payign job.

XJR15

10-11-2004, 02:55 AM

Nervous eh? Heres what you do:

1. Ask a friend to take you to a mall, or take yourself
2. Tell em to stay in the car
3. Go into the Victoria Secret store
4. Walk around for 10 minitues
5. Come out of store
6. Never worry about people again, cause after that, there is nothing to be nervous about

Ed Oscuro

10-11-2004, 02:55 AM

I have exactly the same problem!

I too have limited resources. Since I haven't found the Konami Code for Money yet, here's what I do:

1.) I stay focused on something I want to get. Usually I set my sights pretty high, say a +$100-$200 purchase.

2.) Save! Save! Save!

3.) Then there is much rejoicing.

4.) And sex.

5.) Wicked, bad, naughty, evil Zoot!

There you have it - more or less I suppose - in a nutshell. Except with unnecessary steps. All the same, I can't stress this enough - I've found that when I made impulse purchases was when I got myself in trouble.

Promophile

10-11-2004, 03:45 AM

And don't tell me to get a job because I can't. I am the right age now (16) but I can't because I get really nervous when I am around other people.

Anyone have this problem also?

This is a recognized disorder, it's called social anxiety disorder. I have the exact same problem. I feel nervous and self-concious if I'm in public. I'm an only child from a military family so I think it stems from A) me being alone, playing games for my whole childhood, and B) losing all my friends every 4 years. I find dealing with most people to be slightly annoying to totally agrivating. I'm not trying to toot my horn, but I'm relatively bright (30 on the ACT yay), and most people are idiots who talk about what happened at the "party" last weekend all day :roll: . Being an extremely Liberal Athiest doesn't help either *sigh*. Anyway if you like you can get medication for it. I wouldn't take mind altering medication unless you held me at gunpoint though.

DigitalSpace

10-11-2004, 03:52 AM

Someone told me to get the Konami code for money, all I had to do was punch in the Konami code on an SNES controller. I tried that, and for a few seconds, I was rich beyond my wildest dreams. Then, right in the blink of an eye, I was broke.

Thanks everybody, don't miss the 11:30 show. Try the veal.

LiquidX01

10-11-2004, 04:03 AM

How can you have a wife, a girlfriend, and a significant other at the same time? Cheating?

Its called "SHARING". LOL

As for the money situation with me, Its becoming harder now to be buying alot of new releases at $50 a pop. Reasons being, I have a child on the way, I need to save nearly every cent I earn to move into my own place by March. Rent, furniture, appliances and utilities are expensive.

Basicly November will be my last month of buying stuff at release, ie: Halo2 :P , Nintendo DS, and a few launch games. After that, straight up bargain bin items for me boy! :(

Pedro Lambrini

10-11-2004, 07:10 AM

I am constantly broke from spending all my money on games, consoles, merchandise, PC upgrades yadda, yadda, blah...All I can suggest is get out there and get a job such as a newspaper round or something else that means you don't have too much contact with people. And then set your sights on one particular thing and go for it! The first thing I did that with was my 'Cube. The feeling I got when I got the thing at launch after virtually killing myself was pure joy! It really is worth more if you work hard for it. For a while I was earning quite a bit and spent a fortune on GBA and PC games as they were released - the one time I have ever been able to afford it! Most of them are still sitting on the shelf not played. The ones I broke my back for are the ones I play most. Believe me I know how you feel...It is hard but it is worth it.

Sylentwulf

10-11-2004, 07:14 AM

My question is, if moneys so tight why are you spending $50 on ONE game? I haven't spent $50 on one game in years. There aren't any $20 or less games that you haven't played yet that are good?

Ebay requires a credit card to sell now. If you signed up when they DIDN'T require one, then you're all set, but I believe all NEW sellers need a CC.

You're a teenager who doesn't like being around people. It's not a disorder, it's normal. A bad thing is happenning in this country where EVERYONE under 20 has Asthma, ADD, and SAD, most all "confirmed" by a doctor or psych, and it's getting rather pathetic. (If you don't believe me about asthma, start asking people with kids under 10. In their last school, I was told that around 75% of the kids there had been diagnosed with some form of asthma, including mine, which was LUDICROUS)

anagrama

10-11-2004, 08:35 AM

Frankly, if you're not willing to get a job then you've no place complaining about not being able to afford unnecessary luxury items like videogames.

Besides, rather than buying new $50 games, you could get a dozen or more old-school classics for that kind of price, or there's always the emulation route if you don't want to spend $$$. And there constantly seems to be $10 offers on various current-gen systems being posted here and elsewhere. Check out cheapassgamer.com to get the scoop on any bargains.

jonjandran

10-11-2004, 08:39 AM

This is a recognized disorder, it's called social anxiety disorder. I have the exact same problem. I feel nervous and self-concious if I'm in public. I'm an only child from a military family so I think it stems from A) me being alone, playing games for my whole childhood, and B) losing all my friends every 4 years. I find dealing with most people to be slightly annoying to totally agrivating. Anyway if you like you can get medication for it. I wouldn't take mind altering medication unless you held me at gunpoint though.

I had the same disorder And Chronic Depression when I was 13-18 years old.
My parents found a doctor who recognized that the problem was a lack of serotonin in the brain ( the chemical that carries the electrical impulses across the synapses ) .
The medicine worked extremely well but only up to a point.
Then I had to realize that in all the years with the disorder I had built up "defense mechanisms" to cope with the anxiety, depression, anger. etc.
After that it was a mind over matter thing. I had to learn to recognize and address my bad thoughts, actions, etc and head them off before I let them be manifest.
I got married when I was 18 and by then I had learned to handle a lot of the problems and by 19 I got off my medication. I've been off it for 14 years now and have yet to kill anyone. LOL

That being said.
Get help and try to conquer your problems.

Oh and do everything you can to keep buying and playing and collecting games. :D

El CiF

10-11-2004, 08:56 AM

well im only a year younger than you and i make very good money by just babysitting and mowing other peoples lawns. i am very lucky though because the people who i babysit for pay me 60-70 bucks for 4 hours :D
also i usually get alot of money for my birthday.ask for money instead of stuff

Flack

10-11-2004, 09:50 AM

Two days after my 16th birthday I got a job at Mazzio's Pizza. I can remember my paychecks being $300 for every two weeks, and that was back when minimum wage was $3.35/hour.

Did it suck? Sure. I missed a lot of Friday and Saturday night activities because I was working late, but then again, for a teenager I had all the money I wanted. Paid for my own car, insurance, gas, and all that stuff.

Not to sidetrack this thread, but I notice a LOT of "kids" (sorry guys) these days that have very poor or non-existant social skills. I saw it at OKGE quite a bit -- younger guys who wanted desperately to come talk to me but were too afraid or shy to do so. I probably talked to a hundred different people that day I had never met. The first night I went to dinner with Icbrkr and his wife who I barely knew, and Jordon (YummySmokedHam) who I had never met. The second night I went to dinner with Verpertillo and NineJuanJuan, two guys I hadn't even really talked to online and of course had never met. Guess what -- both nights, I had a blast!! I had the greatest conversations with not only these peope but lots of people I'd never met before. I'm really afraid that this new generation of kids being raised in front of the Internet are missing out on real-world skills.

And, about stupid people ... guess what, it doesn't get any better. You'll get to work with them, hell, maybe even work FOR them some day.

Not every 16 year old has $50 lying around ... $50 is a lot of money! But if you don't have $5, then it's time to suck it up and try getting a job. I have a friend who hates being around people -- his first job was data entry at a computer place, making $10/hour. He got to wear headphones and never had to talk to anyone.

swlovinist

10-11-2004, 10:16 AM

Im 28, and have been collecting for 10 years. Most of my collecting started when I was single and had a decent paying job. In other words, you cant have your cake and eat it too. The is the way of things. Either find some type of work to fund your fun stuff, or collect very slowly with the reality that the video game hobby is getting more expensive. Real Life 101. I work with troubled youth with both behavioral and medical probs. My advice to you is that for your own sake need to overcome your phobia or hypertension with the public, either through therapy, and/or assistance with medicine. Funds is ALWAYS an issue, no matter how old you are, married, single, young, old. Your whole life is ahead of you. Be resourceful. Unless you are in the 5.4 percent of the population, you will eventually get a job and start to make money. Getting that steady paycheck in your hand will open up opportunities for your hobby. More than you can possibly imagine! You are young, so I know you are probably saying "yeah right", by now. Listen to these fellas on this site, they have alot of life experience. You do have the power to change, and to determine what you want to do with your life. If you really want something bad enough you will FIND A WAY to make it happen.

FooFighter

10-11-2004, 10:17 AM

And don't tell me to get a job because I can't. I am the right age now (16) but I can't because I get really nervous when I am around other people.

Anyone have this problem also?

I'm not trying to toot my horn, but I'm relatively bright (30 on the ACT yay), and most people are idiots who talk about what happened at the "party" last weekend all day :roll:.

1) Going through life you will find that there are many "book smart" people who completely lack common sense and social skills. The ones that have either only the latter 2 or all 3 will beat the ones that have only the first every time.

2)Stupid people 9 out of 10 times think they are smart (That's part of being stupid).

3)Holy cow 16 year olds partying???? Unbelieveable!!!!! Maybe if they were your friends and you went to the party you could interact with them and it
wouldn't be so stupid. However if you consider them stupid they never will be your friends.

4) If you are an athiest what do you have to lose??? Sex, drugs, and rock and roll man!! What are you going to do go to hell for it??? LOL

5)Liberal??? Hopefully you will grow out of that someday (most do). If not, see you on Riki Lake....

IcewynG

10-11-2004, 11:12 AM

Got the same disorder as Promophile and jonjordran. Not an easy one to conquer (as I am still in the middle of treating this). I agree with jon that it is more of a "mind over matter" thing after the medication has done its job. You could always into some councelling if you wish... it would also help a bit.

If it is possible for you, you might consider working the night shift. That's what I do and it is a good way to face the problem... not too much people around, but enough not to feel uncomfortable around them. I work night in a hotel, so that is a good therapy i'd say ;)

Conpulsive buying is definitly the worst enemy of a collector. I've been
guilty of that and got me into some trouble. With a young child, that makes it even harder to colect, so, now I am more of a gamer than a collector. I am being more careful with money. I will buy stuff sometimes, but only for trade bait or to resell it.

Don't give up, there is hope!

slip81

10-11-2004, 11:34 AM

Also don't get discouraged by the older members on the board who have the money to buy fancy exspensive games, chances are they didn't have the money to buy a mint Pac-Man cab when they were 16 either. Plus us older games have one serious advantage when I comes to costly gaming, credit cards, though they can be dangerous.

I never like dealing with people either in job situations, not because I'm afraid, but mainly because I dislike customers and that's who I had to deal with. I can give you one nugget of advice if you are nervous about jobs; just get yourself a job, do it to the best of your ability and don't worry about what the workers/customers think about you. Chances are they are not your friends and they never will be, and if you do make friends at work, then it's plus, but don't think about it too much. If you want money to be a collector a job is the best way to get it.

I'll say the one thing that irks me about other DP members is their luck, I always get jealous whenever I hear about someone's cheap find of awesome stuff at a EB or thrift. It bugs me cause I live in a small town/state where there are no good places to get games, and no one trades/donates any thing good ever. The luckiest I got once was getting Contra and Mega Man 4 and 5 for $3 each.

I'm not mad any anyone though, I like this board and everyone on it :), but man some of you guys are lucky.

10-11-2004, 12:23 PM

Like SylentWulf, I havent paid $50 for a game in years either. There are tons of good games that can be had for less than $20. Lately my finds have been $10 or less! Who cares if they're not the newest fabulous thing? Check used game stores, thrifts, etc- games are popping up in unexpected places these days. Stay tuned to DP for upcoming/impending sales. That CC sale where games were $5 was unbelievable. Also rely on birthdays/Xmas for big-money games/items.

AFA jobs, work "behind the scenes" where you dont deal w/ the public- there are lots of such jobs that pay good $, like the USPS. There were days there I barely said a word to anyone, only because there wasnt anyone else around. I'm on the nightshift there now, & I only work w/ one other person. We still communicate, though. Some people there must think I'm antisocial or something but truth is, I'll talk to whoever wants to.

Find a GF/wife/other who doesnt mind your hobby/habit. Nothing worse than them thinking they're "competing" w/ something you like to do, much less you spending money on it. It helps if they share your common gaming interest, or at least can put up w/ it. ;)

Flack wrote:

And, about stupid people ... guess what, it doesn't get any better. You'll get to work with them, hell, maybe even work FOR them some day.

Well said. Sad, but totally true.

tritium

10-11-2004, 12:31 PM

First thing to do is go look for work, its the best way to treat the anxiety disorder is to put yourself in a situation where you get used to being around people you dont know. Cut down on your intake of simple sugars (candy choclate sweets etc) and caffeine. Do this slowly or you'll get headaches.

Lots of my friends (and me too) suffer from this disorder. Your too young to be taking any type of medication because your body is still growing and adjusting. Your nerves will be at ease when you start becoming adjusted to your surroundings.

It worked for me.
Bravery is not the lack of fear, but the action in spite of it.

-Tritium

izret101

10-11-2004, 12:45 PM

I have the same problem with money.
Even worse is that 90% of the time when i do have money there is nothing coming out/ out already that i want/find.
I just got some money because i was able to find 2 days worth of work. I can't get out to go hunting and the only game that i can think of that i really want coming out is Halo2 LE copy.

Just thought i would throw it out there i am 16 and have no real source of income and it sounds like i do better off than some people who have to work steadily. Mostly because i have no bills to pay. So any money i make goes straight into my pocket and not to the state/government.

qbertandernie

10-11-2004, 01:45 PM

best thing to do is throw yourself inot a job and fight it out with yourself. after a few months of opening up youll forget you were nervous. i had trouble with people for about 12 years and figured out i have to open up and recognize what the problem is...now im a lot less nervous, unless there are like 20 people watching me...
look around also, and you may be able to convince yourself that noone cares abotu you in particular. thus helped me too. think about how often you wactually wtach people. its not often that anyone really stares at anyone for any particular reason. its mainly in your head. try to get over it early in your life. it can cost several years before you can get a real job that pays well if you cant interact! trust me, i know..

or someone of authority is in a neck tie...that still gets me.

if you take medicine(i dont) you might try that. i bet things would be a lot easier for you, at least to start. then you could wean yourself off the meds.

rbudrick

10-11-2004, 02:09 PM

Being young does suck for your wallet. I would very much reccomend college of any kind, no matter what you go for. It looks better on a resume, thus enhancing your likelyhood of getting a good job. It is EXTREMELY difficult to get a huge game collection with a highschool education. Some have done it, but the odds are very much against you.

Get edumacated as much as you can, dude......it opens lots of doors.

-ROb

Hovoc

10-11-2004, 02:13 PM

heres what we do at my house hold

get a large container, coffee can, water jug, etc

and put all loose change in that, search your house for all loose change and throw it in there and then roll it or take it to a coin star or whatever.

it takes a while, but a coworker of mine did this and at the end of a year, she emptied one of those big water cooler bottles and had 1200$ in there.

on a side note..... my dad has a jar full of the state quarters...... i wanna take that bitch to the arcade SO bad

Promophile

10-11-2004, 03:31 PM

1) Going through life you will find that there are many "book smart" people who completely lack common sense and social skills. The ones that have either only the latter 2 or all 3 will beat the ones that have only the first every time.

Beat them in what? More intelligent people earn more over their lives. It's a fact. If you mean socially... yea.

2)Stupid people 9 out of 10 times think they are smart (That's part of being stupid).

If your calling me stupid, I assure you that I'm not. My ACT scores put me in the top 4 percent of the population. If your talking about "socially" smart, it's hard to prove that.

3)Holy cow 16 year olds partying???? Unbelieveable!!!!! Maybe if they were your friends and you went to the party you could interact with them and it
wouldn't be so stupid. However if you consider them stupid they never will be your friends.

I'm not talking about 16 year olds. I'm in college, these are 18-23 year old "adults"

4) If you are an athiest what do you have to lose??? Sex, drugs, and rock and roll man!! What are you going to do go to hell for it??? LOL

just because I'm an athiest it doesn't mean I run around smoking weed all day. I may not believe in religion but I want to live as long as possible, especially because I don't believe in an afterlife. Why would I want to shorten life?

5)Liberal??? Hopefully you will grow out of that someday (most do). If not, see you on Riki Lake....

Typical conservative slander. Sorry I care about the enviroment, and I'm not rich, so screw conservatism. once I get my MBA, then I'll be conservative.

9c1lt1

10-11-2004, 03:43 PM

You can always recycle aluminum, copper, and brass. Scrap yards give you money for it, but you have to work at it.

Lone_Monster

10-11-2004, 03:58 PM

Well, I'm 14, and I semi-have this this problem. Usually I don't have the cash to buy games, because I've already spent it on something else. I've spent around 200 bucks on eBay in the last three months, and I still need more for the things I still want, because I, like you, have a LONG list of wanted items.

If your friends, family, family's friends have jobs for you, then take them. That's how I make most of my money. Lately, I've been selling my SNES collection, so I got a lot of money on that (Already spent :embarrassed: )

I understand about not wanting to get rid of games because you love them so much, because I love a lot of my games too. But eventually I beat the games or lose interest in them, and trade them or sell them to people, so you'll most liely lose interest in some games, so you can just trade them away.

Hope this helps.

ddockery

10-11-2004, 03:58 PM

You claim to be book smart, and you probably are, but enough with the ACT already. A high ACT score is good foe one thing and one thing only - college admissions. Oh, and bragging, so make that 2.

As for intelligient people making more money... for the most part that's probably true. To make good money you definitely need common sense and the ability to deal with other people though. No matter what you do, smeone else is paying you to do it, or you have to sell it to someone.

There's definitely nothing wrong with not partying it up though, but you better get used to people acting like that's what life is about, because far too many stay that way. And yes the majority of people out there are pretty mindless and can't think for themselves.

Flack

10-11-2004, 04:06 PM

Also don't get discouraged by the older members on the board who have the money to buy fancy exspensive games, chances are they didn't have the money to buy a mint Pac-Man cab when they were 16 either. Plus us older games have one serious advantage when I comes to costly gaming, credit cards, though they can be dangerous.

This is very, very true. When on the Internet, we tend to assume that other people are "like us". It's easy to forget that people from all walks of life come here. There are people of all ages, sexes, races, religions, and yes, incomes, that like videogames. $5 to one person may be $50 to another and $500 to the next guy.

The Rooms of Doom found on this site weren't collected overnight -- they represent thousands of dollars and years of collecting. One thing to remember, every dollar spent on a game had to be earned somewhere. Even if it came from allowance, not only did you "earn" it by following the rules of your family, but your parents also had to work and earn that money. Nothing in this world is free. Well, maybe herpes.

I had a point somewhere in this but I think maybe the pizza I ate for breakfast was one day too old and it may be the food poisoning talking.

Oh yeah, now I remember. Get a job. Earn money. Buy games. Play games. Repeat until death.

qbertandernie

10-11-2004, 04:22 PM

yeah...building a room of doom takes a long time and a lot of money, regardless...

ive got (probably close to) $15,000 invested and have spent almost 5 years on mine...i started when i was 22 though, so i already had a fair income. youll have 6 years on me, even if the first few dont yeild a room full of goodies!

chicnstu

10-11-2004, 04:24 PM

You people have been a lot of help but some of the comments I didn't like ("Suck it up and get a job" ). I have been trying for years to get rid of this "phobia", it just won't go away. It's been with me since I was little.

The game I am saving $50 for is a prototype of my third favorite game, Dragon Warrior Monsters: Tara's Adventure (sorry, to the person who is selling it to me, if I wasn't supposed to tell.) I have many things on my want list related to that too. Dragon Warrior Monsters: Cobi's Journey (I did have this buy my brother sold it), Dragon Warrior Monsters, Dragon Warrior Monsters: Caravan Hearts (if it EVER comes out in the U.S.), Dragon Warrior I and II for Gameboy Color, Dragon Warrior III for Gameboy Color, Dragon Warrior VII for Playstation, and Dragon Warrior VIII for Playstation 2.

I think I just want [i]too much.

I have been considering buying and selling video games but I don't know where to start and I don't have the money to start. I have also considered learning Javascript really well and designing web pages for people. I also thought about the Ebay thing someone suggested. What was that Coinstar thing? Do you just set the jug in the Coinstar store and people put money in it or something? Is Coinstar a store?

qbertandernie

10-11-2004, 04:40 PM

coinstar is the machine that you dump your change into so you can be a lazy bastard and not count it. costs like 7%

Ed Oscuro

10-11-2004, 04:51 PM

Sorry folks, this is all off topic, but I'm interested in talking about it!

just because I'm an athiest it doesn't mean I run around smoking weed all day. I may not believe in religion but I want to live as long as possible, especially because I don't believe in an afterlife. Why would I want to shorten life?
Tell me...is it more likely that information came out of nothing, that somehow a planet formed out of nothing and molecules beat the odds to form a working unit (think of 200 parts to a cell, and thus 200! ways to combine those units...not exactly accurate but even these odds would essentially stop any cellular life from having formed, ever), or the idea that there was some sort of intelligent design? Just curious. Don't get me wrong, I'm an agnostic (probably a theistic agnostic, but still an "undecided.") and not looking for trouble.

It's interesting, though - it seems most people my age who aren't big on philosophy would say that UFOs are unlikely, and that intelligent design couldn't be the case (not that I find any particular merits in that camp for the most part) because it's "not the simplest solution," but then you've got such huge odds against life springing out of nothing, plus you've got the problem of what could've possibly created the universe in the first place.

5)Liberal??? Hopefully you will grow out of that someday (most do). If not, see you on Riki Lake....
Typical conservative slander. Sorry I care about the enviroment, and I'm not rich, so screw conservatism. once I get my MBA, then I'll be conservative.
Lol. Conservativism is fine, but being a poo flinger is sadly becoming the norm these days (too much on both sides, in fact). Thankfully it seems this J.F.K. character is dedicated to being respectful...hopefully he'll win the election. Unless you're one of those "America will ride roughshod over the whole world's ass" types, there's not much of a downside to that :P

What's funniest is that most "Conservatives" today are really just really agitated and angry radicals, who by definition aren't conservative at all. Conservatives would respect the Constitution, for example. It concerns me that the aforementioned J.F.K. character didn't take the chance to attack the Patriot Act like he should have during the last debate. That's a very popular cause among educated liberals and...well, educated people in general, Republicans too. It's not fair to call it a wholly liberal cause, because lots of intelligent people all over see that there have been many bad decisions made by the radicals that have gotten into power.

FooFighter

10-11-2004, 04:53 PM

Beat them in what? More intelligent people earn more over their lives. It's a fact. If you mean socially... yea.

Read the whole paragraph not just one part.People that have all 3 will do the best in life career wise and socially. People with intelligence alone are not going to get as far. Many experts agree that standardized tests such as ACT prove little about intelligence.

If your calling me stupid, I assure you that I'm not. My ACT scores put me in the top 4 percent of the population. If your talking about "socially" smart, it's hard to prove that.

There you go reading into it again. I didn't say that. And as you will learn as you get older common sense people are easy to recognize.

I'm not talking about 16 year olds. I'm in college, these are 18-23 year old "adults"

Well thats different to a point, If that is all they talk about then yes, but that seems unlikely. Although I have heard that some people do party in college. Even successful ones!!!!! Really!!!!

just because I'm an athiest it doesn't mean I run around smoking weed all day. I may not believe in religion but I want to live as long as possible, especially because I don't believe in an afterlife. Why would I want to shorten life?

Touchy aren't we? Give me a break that was an obvios joke, lighten up.

Typical conservative slander. Sorry I care about the enviroment, and I'm not rich, so screw conservatism. once I get my MBA, then I'll be conservative.

As I said as you get older..........

Typical liberal rhetoric...
Not all conservatives are rich. Not all conservatives are apathetic towards the environment, and I dont like the government to run my life so screw liberalism.

Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."
--Winston Churchill

Did I mention that I love Atari??? :)

qbertandernie

10-11-2004, 04:55 PM

Ed Oscuro

10-11-2004, 05:03 PM

Typical liberal rhetoric...
Not all conservatives are rich. Not all conservatives are apathetic towards the environment, and I dont like the government to run my life so screw liberalism.

Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has no heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains."
--Winston Churchill
Neat quote from ol' Winston. The thing is that by the time you're 30 or over you should have found something of value to defend - in this country, that would be the Constitution. I don't know whether you're a follower of Bush or not - I'm hopeful - but the fact is his center of power is radical. Most high-ranking Republicans aren't Conservatives, either, as good ol' firey James Carville would say they sure don't conserver our budget - but neither to us Democrats. Since F.D.R. everybody has been in tacit agreement that it's good to have the government provide at least basic services; as Republicans are talking about Social Security and Medicare plans, not to mention the huge increase in deficit spending it's also obvious that pretty much everybody works under the assumption that big government is good. I'm not trying to critique the Republicans on this point - it's just obvious that in today's government there are no traditional conservatives.

Moral conservatism? That's another issue, sadly, or rather a story of how a bunch of self-righteous types (on both sides of the scale) have tried to legislate emotions and outlaw human rights :/

qbertandernie

10-11-2004, 05:05 PM

this kids asks for advice and everyone pikes his topic...

Ed Oscuro

10-11-2004, 05:24 PM

weve gotten fully off topic, but anyone who doubts extraterristrial life seems somewhat misguided. to beleive we are the only life forms created in a sea of stars, of which our galaxy has 100 million of, and there are an estimated 100 million galaxies...seems unlikley.
Have you ever seen what the number 200! (read: 200 factorial) put through a computer? There's your chances of getting the individual parts of a cell aligned in the correct way, roughly (though I'm hearing that secondhand). That doesn't take into account stuff like the formation of DNA, self replicating molecules and so on.

What it comes down to is that you still need a huge leap of faith to believe this can happen! All the same I don't feel the idea is terribly less credible than that of intelligent design and the existence of a Creator - or Satan, for that matter...if you're inclined to believe such things, and scarily enough the reasoning behind the old "Imagine the greatest possible good/evil being" argument (after Anselm) is pretty strong.

But for the Universe to just suddenly come into being makes no sense. In at least our physical world, nothing has been observed to be its own cause. Yes, I know of stuff like quantum tunneling and fluctuation - but if you start with nothing, there's nothing to fluctuate with in the first place, you know.

Ever read Rosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0100519/) (or seen the movie, which the link refers to)? The opening scene gives us a great way to think about the possibility of things just happening: One of the characters (sorry that I don't have this quoted, it's a great read but finding the text is proving difficult on Google) flips a coin a hundred times and every time it comes out to being heads up.

Doesn't matter how he flips it, throws it, does anything with it - as long as it leaves his hand and turns over in the air it comes to being heads. Would this happen in the real world? No. All the same, every time you flip that coin your chances are the same - heads, tails, standing on edge. Essentially 50-50 for the first two, and our two characters from Hamlet wouldn't let the coin land on its edge anyhow - though their feat is more impressive than the coin having fallen onto some hard tree root and standing on its side.

With planets, every time a planet is created the probability of life coming into existence on that planet is the same. The probabilities aren't terribly high, either - you essentially would have to have infinite time, energy, and molecules (the estimated number of atoms in the universe is actually rather small compared to numbers like 200!) to let the random suddenly happen. Then that prototypical bio goo would die, because the chances once again didn't come out right towards its surviving. The way to think of this is that you've got so many years for this to have happened - the current state of affairs only goes back a few billion years - and then you have a quite finite amount of space, filled with some matter in the form of galaxies and the like, in which this can randomly have happened. It could have happened, yes, but the idea it has happened goes against all reason.

qbertandernie

10-11-2004, 05:34 PM

i made a baked potatoe(represent!) once..i was cooked just right. i dug everything out of the skin, mushed it up on my plate, slathered it in butter and coated the top with grated cojack cheese. put sour cream on half...

it was heaven.

i wonder if i could be an atheist after that...made me believe in a higher power...

qbertandernie

10-11-2004, 05:37 PM

back to the 200! thing.

sure its unlikley. thats the point. but think of the most basic form of life. to get that is difficult, but i read soemwhere that some scientist nearly created it in a lab(or did?). with the number of possibilities and potentially limitless time i think it very unlikely that somewhere there is not at least some amoeba floating around that is not on earth.

for anyone who doesnt know 200! is 200 x 199 x 198 x 197....etc...

qbertandernie

10-11-2004, 05:45 PM

back to chicnstu...

i used to be nervous typing things like this...thats how bad i was..

first chat room i went to i was actually shaking. after talking to faceless people who you will likely never meet, maybe you can graduate to actual people. my advice is simply to try it out first and try to throw yourself in the mix to overcome your problem. taking a job in web design or something like that is never going to help you, because you wont learn to overcome your problems.

though it will suck, try to get a job where you are in front of everyone. eventually it wont matter so much. ever hear of those people that are afraid of heights that go up into hot air balloons? they realize that thier fears are unfounded and there is so much more to life than denying that which you fear.

sorry to contribute to the pimping of your topic...

rbudrick

10-11-2004, 06:04 PM

chicnstu

10-11-2004, 06:45 PM

Anyone happen to have any of this stuff and want what I have? Since I don't have any money (that I can spend right now) I can't buy them from you. I will have to list what I have available for trade.

Dragon Warrior I & II (GBC)
Dragon Warrior III (GBC)
Dragon Warrior Monsters
Dragon Warrior Monsters Strategy Guide
Dragon Warrior Monsters II: Cobi's Journey
Dragon Warrior Monsters II: Cobi's Journey and Tara's Adventure Strategy Guide
Dragon Warrior Monsters VII

DW VIII and DWM: Caravan Hearts aren't out yet and I doubt Caravan Hearts will ever come to the U.S. I wish they made some kind of translator device for Gameboy games so you can play imports and read them.

I have the following available:

Sega Genesis:

Bio Hazard Battle (cart only)
Primal Rage (cart only)
NFL 95 (cart only)
Eternal Champions (cart only)
Tom and Jerry: Frantic Antics! (cart only)
Steel Talons (cart with box)
Road Rash (cart with box)

Gameboy Advance:

Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 3 (cart only)
Men In Black: The Series (cart only)
Jurassic Park: The DNA Factor (cart only)
007: The World is Not Enough (Gameboy Color) (cart only)

Playstation:

The Need for Speed (complete)
ATV: Quad Power Racing (complete)

I think I have Siphon Filter (complete) too. I'll have to check.

Ed Oscuro

10-11-2004, 06:48 PM

Did you post in the Buying and Selling forum? That's where you should put that. Nice stuff, by the way.

chicnstu

10-11-2004, 07:28 PM

I think I'll do that. I'll just make a topic with some of the stuff I am wanting in it and see if anyone happens to have any of it and they want what I have.

I really enjoyed The Need for Speed a lot for some reason but I just feel like getting rid of it and I believe someone will want it. I think I liked it so much because of the way the cars handled. They were very tight (isn't that what I am supposed to call it?) and they took a long time to turn and stuff and I liked that about it. Does The Need for Speed: Underground game have that in it? If so, I'll have to add it to my want list :P

This forum has a lot of nice people in it. Not very many (if any at all) criticisms. Very nice bunch of people.

chicnstu

10-11-2004, 07:37 PM

Aww shoot!!!! :angry: :angry:

I just remembered I told my grandma I probably wasn't going to be doing anymore trading for about a month. She is the one who pays for my shipping and handling prices so I kind of feel bad for making her pay for it. My topic will have to wait for a while. :o

max 330 mega

10-11-2004, 08:06 PM

i myself also dont like to be around people. its not that im particularly nervous, (tho i can be) i just hate the average person, and i dont mind saying that.
i also do not have a job, but i have somewhat been getting into selling videogames, and its becoming a rather nice amount of money im pulling in weekly too.
i would say that if you dont like people, either work under the table construction jobs, or save up $50 , go to the local flea market, buy the most valuable games and systems you can find, and start selling them for a profit, and then when all the things you bought are gone and you have profitted, go buy more and keep building and building your funds until you can make some decent money off of your hobby.

izret101

10-12-2004, 03:54 PM

When i actually get to work i work with family. Generally manual labor/trades work. I have to work with other people around me kind of but it isnt too indepth like actually having to carry conversations with them if. If you're problem is that bad either try and get some sort of counciling (seroius not being a dick) or do a from the homew job. Although i reccomend the first one much more. It is no good to isolate youre self from real people (and no message boards/AIM/email does not count).

As for what Flack(?)said about everyone from different walks of life collecting yup thats true. I started collecting with all used/tagsale/second hand stuff. I never spent more than 25 dollars max (except on 1 occasion) until within the last 2(ish) years.
BTW Chicknstu are you a System of a Down fan?

Nature Boy

10-12-2004, 04:44 PM

Back to the *original* topic, the easiest thing to do would be to stop wanting the things you can't afford *real* bad. And of course that isn't easy in and of itself, but it is possible.

First, know that the things you want today are still going to be there tomorrow. Yah you'll have to hunt for 'em maybe - but the hunt is half of the fun!

Second, distract yourself. You must have other interests? Pursue the ones that take little to no cash. When I think I'm spending too much money on games I go back to reading. A library card is free. Or explore the wonderful world of emulation if you just *can't* give up gaming (there are *lots* of emulators and roms for dead systems out there that you can spend *hours* on).

Lastly, know that those of us who seem to spend what they want when they want are probably quite a bit older than you (in my case, 33) and have been through it. I didn't buy *any* games from high school until after university was over. But with a full time job came full time pay, and every big collection starts small (in my first year of work I owned only *one* system, a SNES, whose life cycle was over and whose games were still great and cheaper!)

chicnstu

10-12-2004, 05:03 PM

I think I might do what that person said. I will probably try to earn some money, go out and buy some games, then sell them maybe here or at school for a profit. If I sell them here, I will have to worry about shipping and handling prices. I HATE shipping and handling prices. But, the shippers have to get paid too I guess....

bargora

10-12-2004, 05:57 PM

Queen Of The Felines

10-12-2004, 08:40 PM

The suggestions about change and aluminum can hoarding are good. I made $400 in change in a year (paid for to flight to my first CGE trip, in fact) and you can ALWAYS find soda cans anywhere.

Btw, if you other guys want to continue talking about God or liberals or whatever please make a new thread about it in OT, ok? :)

Kristine

whoisKeel

10-12-2004, 09:17 PM

Get job bum LOL

no but seriously, get a job...in a few years when you move out (assuming you do) you'll realize just how much more spending money you had at 16. i make about 3 times what i did when i was 16...and i have about the same amount of spending money. all i had to pay for was gas and insurance in high school! now its insurance, gas, girls, food, rent, utilities, cell phone, student loans, and unexpected bills like car tax, etc. and i don't even pay car payments...till mine craps out on me :)

Promophile

10-12-2004, 10:13 PM

You know, you might be able to work out a trade in which you send the other person game X (and maybe Y, Z, etc.), and they send you game A (and maybe B, etc.) plus enough money to cover the shipping and handling that you have to pay. That way, if they send first you don't have to hit up grandma, and if you send first you'll only have to borrow from grandma, as you could pay her back when you receive your shipment.

Not all videogames are valued equally.

As far as the whole ID (intelligent design) thing goes--well, I have a hard time understanding it as anything other than creationism without mentioning "you-know-who". It seems this way even if ID gives credence to the fossil evidence, species change over time, scientifically established timescales for formation of the earth and so forth. Just thinking about it right now, I wonder whether ID advocates believe that the Intelligent Designer had things set up from the beginning (and so possibly deny randomness and free will) or if the Intelligent Designer has had a thumb on the scale throughout history (and if so, is the thumb still there?). Are we the pinnacle of perfection that was meant to be designed? Or are we some intermediate? (Of course not! That's crazy talk!)

Maybe it's the dolphins.

I guess I need to go read about ID.

Yes, life is complex. The more we study it, however, the more we understand how simple mechanisms can give rise to complex structure and function. Which reminds me that I need to be studying instead of typing.

As the saying goes a million monkeys typing for a million years can come up with the works of shakesphere. The same thing happened after the big bang when earth was formed. After billions of years of elements interacting FINNALY the right combination, and bang life. Scientists have replicated this in labs. As for why existance exists, who knows? All I know is I'm not going to believe some book put together by the Catholic church a thousand years ago (yep the bible was put together by the Catholic church, the pope and his cronies decided what works to put in it and which to keep out of it. One of the ones kept out said that you didn't have to go to church? I wonder why they didn't put that one in? HINT: $$$$)