who here sucks at 2D fighting games??

[max 330 mega]

i have been thinking about asking this question for a while. is anyone on here really just not good at 2D fighting games? ill for one say, i blow. i can beat a fighting game on easy, and up thru difficulty 3 possibly, depending on the game, but beyond that its like fighting games are a code i just can't decipher. i have a friend, who every weekend beats my ass so bad, and in the most undignifying ways it makes me want to stick my fist thru the wall! i have no problem inputting the movements required for the attacks (round house for hadouken etc.) i just can't ever seem to beat him anyway, im always one step behind when attacking, or his attack always lands before mine. ive tried repeatedly to practice and get better, but its like im stuck at the same skill level ive always been. i cant beat kof 97, due to wild iori beating me so bad sometimes that he gets a perfect, i cant beat samurai shodown 2 because the last boss is hell, (im working on that one tho) i cant beat street fighter alpha 2 due to last level ryu and his cheap attacks. god! it aggrevates me so much, i always feel so dissapointed when i cant beat a fighting game, or i have to beat it on an easy difficulty.... which is almost every fighting game i play other than marvel super heroes vs. street fighter i can beat on normal, but the vs. titles are very simple anyway. so once again i state my question, does anyone else have the problems with fighting games i have, and yes if i end up being the only one i think i will go insane. :angry:

[Hovoc]

i can own a 2d fighter vs the cpu, but against human players i suck, unless its agasint my gf

[max 330 mega]

thank you, i love you, im not the only one who is decent against a comp, but cant do shit for player vs. player

[Hovoc]

hrm


i see your in virginia also, once i get my mk3 board swapped into my cab, you should come over and we can practice at sucking at 2d fighters :P

[robotriot]

Hah, I really suck at fighting games as well. Although I guess I'm even worse than you guys, because I never played through a single beat em up :P (ok, except for DoA3, but it's 3D anyway ;) For one, I don't like the genre, which isn't exactly helpful ;) And on the other hand, I just can't be bothered memorizing those special moves, that's why I hardly ever get beyond the 2nd or 3rd opponent. The only fighting game I like is IK+, because it only requires one fire button and all moves are performed by moving in one of the 8 directions ;P

[Ed Oscuro]

Hmm...terminology clash...BEU makes me think of old 2D sidescrollers where you clear though levels of baddies in hand-to-hand combat. Fighting games are stuff like DOA3 where you go one-to-one or in team/tag play (maybe there's a 2 vs. 2 fighter out there I don't know of, which would count as well).

Anyhow, I'm pretty bad at fighters :P

[robotriot]

Interesting =) For me it's the same, as I first read the term beu in magazines and they were refering to fighting games all the time.

[max 330 mega]

2 vs. 2?? theres also 3 vs. 3 titles like marvel vs. capcom 2

[-hellvin-]

For me it depends on the controller. I fucking hate the dreamcast dpad. Every time in evolution I try to do a supermove I jump in the fucking air. GOD DAMMIT. Ugh, I get angry just thinking about it.

[max 330 mega]

controller seems to play alot of factor for me too... like the original saturn pads... I HATE YOU SATURN PAD!

[anagrama]

I can hold my own at Street Fighter, but I'm extremely rusty compared to how I was 'back in the day'. Never really got to grips with any of the KoF games.

[hydr0x]

i'm really good at the scrolling fighting games like SoR or Final Fight

but i suck at vs. fighters for two reasons, i have quite good reaction times but i forget to block to often :( the other problem is that i just can't do a lot of the special moves, i don't know neither with arcade sticks nor with normal controllers, i just can't do them, and i don't know why :(

[Lemmy Kilmister]

I once had a friend pick up and throw his genesis against the wall in frustration, because i was beating he's ass so bad in street figter champion edition. LOL So i must be alright. Seriously though, i'm just o.k. I like fighting games and could be better if i practice but i mostly play by myself, so any rally hardcore fighter fan could most likely kick my ass.

[Graham Mitchell]

I admit it: I suck Ken & Ryu's balls at fighting games. I was good at SF2 and MK when they came out 10 years ago, but once the whole "combo" thing came around I couldn't be bothered to figure it out any more. Through college I wouldn't even put a quarter in a fighting game on campus because there were vultures at the arcade who would watch you and then challenge you because they KNEW you sucked. They'd knock you right off the machine even though you were holding your own against the computer, just because they thought it was funny. :angry:

I've noticed that there's a personality type for fighting games these days; more aggressive people who have that "Killer Instinct" (no pun intended) seem to be better at this kind of thing. Most of my friends that were good at Marvel Vs. Capcom couldn't figure out Ocarina of Time or Metal Gear Solid, though, so the trait seems to run both ways. Probably not globally true, but it was something I noticed, and that I found interesting! :)

[ddockery]

I'm bad at these, but but choice. I never liked playing these in real arcades against random people, it's just not my thing. Then when they started getting ported, I was just to damn lazy to learn the moves and/or combos, or even the strategies needed to get good. I could hold my own on the original MK, but that's about as far as my interest went.

[punkoffgirl]

I'm very, very, VERY bad at them. I don't learn combos. Even if someone tells me what the combo moves are, the chances I can actually execute them well enough to actually USE them are slim to none. If it wasn't for button mashing, I wouldn't have ANY fun with these types of games at all.

[Flack]

I'm very, very, VERY bad at them. I don't learn combos. Even if someone tells me what the combo moves are, the chances I can actually execute them well enough to actually USE them are slim to none. If it wasn't for button mashing, I wouldn't have ANY fun with these types of games at all.

Another vote here for button-masher. Combos? What's that?

[Jibbajaba]

I am halfway decent at Street Fighter II, but not good at anything else. I just don't want to memorize all those moves. The only character I use in SFII is Ryu because I know all his moves.

Chris

[omnedon]

When I got my Neo I was total newb to fighters, except I'd beat Eternal Champions as Trident, back in the day.

Now I have some Shodowns, and KOF's.

I practice practice practice, and am getting better. It just seems to take a lot of practice. Good controller helps too.

One thing I've found, is that playing any VS fighter, helps my overall fighter skills for any VS game. I first got KOF 2002 and routinely had my ass handed to me. Got to the point that I could get to the boss eventually. Decided to take a break, and played the hell out of Saumrai Shodown 2. Beat SS2 eventually (weeks of practice). Went back to KOF 2002, and found my timing had improved a LOT, and once I re-accustomed myself to the fighting system in KOF, I was better than when I started my break 3 weeks previously.

I still suck aganst any experienced player, but I am getting better, and am having fun getting better. Just me and the CPU. LOL

[Nez]

I'm okay at fighters I think I'm pretty good at KOF. I can beat the comp at expert mode so I cant relly advance anyfurther there. BUt I suck at Capcom fighters ( yes capcom vs SNK too hey its made by Capcom damn it!) I can never beat Ryu, M. Bison shure but Ryu = death for me.

I'll have to give Guilty Gear a whirl.

[SegaAges]

because i could never afford a neo geo, the kof and samurai showdown series always seemed to be second par compared to everything else (i now know that was wrong, but when neo geo wasn't all that popular, kids think that).

i used to get rolled on in sf2 for snes. i remember getting stomped day afetr day in it by my neighbor. it is actually the reason why, to this day, i will still pick ken over ryu. the guy was super good with ryu and said that when we played, we couldn't pick the same character, and he always picked ryu.

well after years and years of practice, i would call myself almost an expert and capcom vs snk 2. i have actually beaten a few people in the midwest conference. i still have trouble using a joystick for these games though (i got used to doing all the moves from a snes). if anybody ever plays me, they will notice that i will not even use the joystick on the controller, i will use the d-pad.

i still can't beat damn guilty gear x, it is super hard. i get to the point where i have like 4 guys left to beat if even that, and then out of the blue, they get super good. i even tried on the easiest setting, and got rolled on hardcore, it was annoying.

but i have beaten capcom vs snk 2 on the hardest setting. u have only beat 3 fighting games on the hardest setting (capcom vs snk 2 (dc), soul calibur(dc), mortal kombat 4(n64)). i still play mortal kombat 4 like it is 2d, so i count it as a 2d game, same with soul calibur.

the best way to get really good at fighting games is to be insanely aggresive, or block all the time. when i say insanely, i mean your character will not stop throwing combos until time runs out.

i hate playing people in soul calibur for the soul fact that they made it very easy for button mashers to stomp people. i beat the game on the hardest setting, but will still get rolled on by people that have trouble beating it on normal. they changed that in soul calibur 2, but in 1 it sucked balls.

blocking all the time is a sure fire way of tearing people apart. just block and wait for the to try and attack you (they always will), and right after they get done trying (there is usually a 1 to 2 second pause), explode on them. this is actually the technique you MUST use to beat games like soul calibur on the hardest setting.

[Gamereviewgod]

I can pull off the most basic of combos (jump in firece kick, bunch of weak punches to the groin, dragon punch) but that's about it. Now, stuff like Samurai Shodown that's not so combo heavy, I rock. I like to be strategic in my fighting. Still this is probably my second favorite genre behind beat-em-ups (Final Fight, Double Dragon, etc.).

[Captain Wrong]

Yeah, I suck. I love them, hell I even bough a Neo because I love them so much, but playing against another person, I lose everytime.

[optic_85]

Helllo, my name is bryan, and i cant beat MVC....

Im another one of you who loves games like Streets Of Rage, and Double Dragon, but i always get my ass handed to me when i try to play a 2d fighting game. And with a few exceptions(power stone 1&2) im simply no good at any fighting games.

[Pedro Lambrini]

I am, without a doubt, the worst BEU player out there! Whether 2D or 3D I invariably take a severe kicking! I even bought the guide for KI for the SNES and arcade and still got slapped silly :angry: I have tried for years and have never got any better. I have beaten MK1 on the GG once and once only (on easy!). I am truly the worst fighter in the world *bangs head on desk and starts crying (again!).*

[Arqueologia_Digital]

Not me....but there are some games that i´m not very good at all...

[o2william]

I'm not very good at fighting games either. I might be able to improve, but I can't really bring myself to care. I did enjoy the SNES port of Mortal Kombat, but for the most part, fighters are a genre I just don't "get." Give me a shmup or platformer any day.

[orrimarrko]

I thought I was good, right up to Mortal Kombat II in the arcade.

I knew the moves, but I repeatedly got my ass handed to me. I couldn't hit these guys that "owned" the machine.

They blocked or evaded almost every attack I made, and I couldn't stop theirs.

It was at that moment that I knew I would never be great at 2D fighters.

Killer Instinct was much of the same.

On today's 2D fighters (mostly the Street Fighter games), the people who are good know what I'm going to do before I do.

How can you beat that?

I don't have the time, nor do I care enough about being that good, to invest the hours of practice that they clearly have put into learning all of that.

For me, it's just about beatng the computer or one of my friends that knows about as much as I do.

[Push Upstairs]

Fighting games (MK,SF2...blah blah blah)

I only own MK,MK3 & Eternal Champions CD and i really dont play any of them. I've beat MK on easy but i never got some obscene thrill from Fighting games.

Street Fighter 2 - Never interested me.


Now "beat'em ups" (SOR)

Those i like. "Streets of Rage" is the best game of this type (IMO). Final Fight isnt really as fun & i havent played a decent (control-wise) version of Double Dragon.


And a special mention goes to "Power Stone 2"

A complete blast.

[max 330 mega]

thanks for the replies everyone, i guess im not the only who cant beat human players, until i started playing fighting games with my friend, i used to play them with my neighbors, other friends etc. and i always always won, but now with him its like he has the ability to always know what im gonna do before i do it, and prepare to beat my ass! my favorite games that im pretty good at are schmups, strikers 1945 is my favorite.

[kai123]

i hate playing people in soul calibur for the soul fact that they made it very easy for button mashers to stomp people. i beat the game on the hardest setting, but will still get rolled on by people that have trouble beating it on normal. they changed that in soul calibur 2, but in 1 it sucked balls.

If you are truly good at a fighting game a button masher shouldn't even get close to beating you. :evil: I had to say it because it is true. It's easier in SC to do moves on accident but you should still be able to beat them.

Also fighting the computer on very hard and stuff is good practice but they still fall for stupid tricks and tactics. I don't feel that fighting the computer is truly a test of your skill. The only way to know if you are good or not is to fight someone who is better than you are.

BTW I love fighting games but only when I can play other people. That is the only way to get better. Fighting the computer is nothing when you are fighting a real person.

[racecar]

Cmon people(the key to) it's all in the button mashing ...haha(just kidding)
it actually quite easy try to remember the buttons(pattern) instead of the instant reaction(to the screen >trying to do a fireball and get one hit out of a oponent, intead think bigger use combos that usually involves the small hit button LK,LP (stuns opponent then follow up with a hard hit) a good example MVC2(marvel vs capcom) magneto tap tap(toward enemy it'll dash)jab ,LK ,down,LK, HP ,if successful(there you got you opponent lauch into air combo: the posibilitys are endless unless the opponent dies that is) and as for guilty gear > hell it s so easy its not even funny,, remember practice makes perfect(and i'll get you addicted to the game) !! also its all about timing and mind games when you are playing another person !! i know how it feel to get beated 10-15 times @ the arcade it hurts in the wallet !! also try this if playing the cpu hit the opponent with the same move right after the first(example trip (down HK) the opponent when it get up tripped it again it usually works against the cpu )thanks and good luck

[max 330 mega]

i hate playing people in soul calibur for the soul fact that they made it very easy for button mashers to stomp people. i beat the game on the hardest setting, but will still get rolled on by people that have trouble beating it on normal. they changed that in soul calibur 2, but in 1 it sucked balls.

If you are truly good at a fighting game a button masher shouldn't even get close to beating you. :evil: I had to say it because it is true. It's easier in SC to do moves on accident but you should still be able to beat them.

Also fighting the computer on very hard and stuff is good practice but they still fall for stupid tricks and tactics. I don't feel that fighting the computer is truly a test of your skill. The only way to know if you are good or not is to fight someone who is better than you are.

BTW I love fighting games but only when I can play other people. That is the only way to get better. Fighting the computer is nothing when you are fighting a real person.
if you didnt happen to notice, none of us have skill, so we enjoy the game by playing the computer,in my opinion its not fun getting beaten 50 times in a row by a human player, because im not gonna get any better that way :roll: and believe me , if a button masher knows some basic tactics, they can annihilate the average leveled player.

[hydr0x]

and believe me , if a button masher knows some basic tactics, they can annihilate the average leveled player.

absolutely true, trust me, i know some very skilled SC players and it's actually one of the few games i do know a lot of the special moves but once in a while i decide to go button smashing in a match just for the fun of it, if you know some bacis gameplay rules and you button smash KNOWING which standard move is on which button you're going to crush 80% of the players in a lot of matches

sure, the absolute experts have no problem beating a skilled button smasher, but most good players have...

[Sotenga]

Heh, I believe at least ONE DP member can vouch for me not sucking at these... ;)

I used to, though, but that was mainly due to a lack of interest in them. Then, Samurai Shodown changed my perspective on them entirely, and although all I had to work with was a keyboard (and I still do), I was pretty good for what I had. I then fell in love with the genre, and the rest was history. Though, I really hated pulling off big combos in pretty much every game, but I realized that it is not the size of the combos that matters, but the size of the damage. I mostly go for powerful hits rather than little jabs that add up to 18 hits in a row or so. A few times, however, on pure accident, I've performed some extremely impressive looking ones... like when fighting a certain member of DP, I was Akuma, and I pulled off an 8-hit juggle that defied all gravity. I wasn't even trying to do that, but I guess I have my keyboard to thank. Heh... :D

[thehistorian]

Well...

I'm one of those people that finds 2d fighting games easy. I'm not sure why but it's always been easy for me.

I was one of the first to figure our how to pull off Zangief's Spinning Piledriver consistantly. I recall absent mindedly beating SF2 while talking to a friend and seeing a different ending screen.. It took us a moment to realize that I hadn't lost a single round.

I can only offer these suggestions.

Pick one character in the beginning and stick to it till you know their moves perfectly. You will find that you learn the other characters weaknesses from simply using them to your advantage and can play them better once you learn thier moves.

Learn to defend first. If you can go a full match with out taking damage, save for the slight damage from "super" moves you are on your way.

Combos are overrated. I'd be more amazed if someone defeated me one hit at a time, than if they strung together combos. Play using only one form of attack. Kicks only, Punches only, Weakest Attacks only, etc... This will help you learn which moves will counter other moves. For example Ryu's weakest punch or kick will often stop someone doing a jump attack. Zangief can hit Dalhsim's attacks if you time it right, no need to get real close...

As you can see I'm a bg fan of the SF series but the VF series has far more depth and tactical elements than most people realize....

[Richter]

Interesting =) For me it's the same, as I first read the term beu in magazines and they were refering to fighting games all the time.must be a region thing. in the US fighters are pretty much your 1vs1, whereas BEU are your Final Fights, Streets of Rage

[Habeeb Hamusta]

I love you MAX!!!!!! :-P

[tholly]

well....i pretty much suck at them.....and i have a MVS cab (the cab for fighting games)...oh well....maybe ill get better someday

[FantasiaWHT]

I suck at all fighters, but I'm even worse at 2D than I am at 3D...

EVEN against the computer.... *cries in shame*

[JSFox]

I suck with combos and stuff like that, I just click one button, although I almost beat SF II for Genny.....

[dethink]

i'm not great at them, but can hold my own...yet somehow they're probably my favorite genre. i guess it's the fact that you can play through the game an infinite number of ways. plus i'm a sucker for cool character art.

against the computer though, usually all but the hardest skill levels are a joke.

[Sanriostar]

My level of suckage on Fighting games is so high that you'll probably have to use Quantum Mechanics to get a proper idea.

[buttasuperb]

depends on the game.

back in the day, I was pretty good at MK2, and good/average at the SF games. same with sam sho.

i guess i'm decent at cvs2. most of my competition comes online, and these days it's mostly god like players or top tier whores that still play online.

i've been doing pretty good at svc so far online. definately not the best, but can hold my own against most non boss character picking opponents.

i'm really not that good at kof, but i suppose that's due to me not playing it that much.

sf3, we'll see. the few times i have played against people, i've done ok. trying to train myself for february (hits xbox live...hopefully) i went into parry training yesterday to see if i could parry all 5 hits of a super hadoken. and holy shit i was able to get the timing rather quickly. woot!

[SegaAges]

yes, virtua fighter 4 is so deep it is not even funny. the game hits a new level of deep.

and yes, a button masher can beat a good person, especially at the dc version of soul calibur. they can sit there and pound y+b or x+y and just keep doing that and beat many good people. i can stop many good people that don't button mash, but get them against some mashers, and they are done (well the mashers i play against).

I also see that some people in here have very different strategies in fighting games than me. I am not going to tell you all my secrets, but I am a very aggresive person in fighting games. you can block my combo all you want, but it is getting ended with a throw, so you are screwed.

strategy is the best key in games. you make the person play the way you want them to. if they sit there and block the entire time, just keep running up and throwing them, making them do something instead of block. get them in the habit of throwing blows, and then they are done.

I say be aggresive, but know what you are doing when you are. if you run in to hit somebody and just do a weak kick or something, you are done. now if you jump in, do a high hit, go low, and then end in a move, they are done. like i said, they can block all they want, but if they are somebody that blocks alot, just throw em around and make them do something besides block.

games like virtua fighter 4 are good in the sense that if you explode into combos knowing what you are doing, you can be, literally unstoppable against human players. you can go high, low, or in the middle, and you can get a hit in on the person no matter which way they block.

there are some games that are built around you doing certain moves to excel. like mvc2, built around air combos imo. if you can throw people into an air combo, they are finished. mvc2 is the only game where i consistantly use guile. they made him insane on that game.

imo cvs2 is more about speed. the faster you are at putting in moves, the faster you win.

a good trick to fighting games is to purposely lose the first match. why you may ask? the entire 1st match, you will be watching how they play. 99% of the time when i play somebody for the 1st time in a fighting game, i will lose the 1st match but then win every single other one. people will not play as good under pressure. let them destroy you, but don't make it obvious. see what they do when they play. if they like to jump in at you, just pick somebody like ken or ryu and dragon punch them the entire match. for this to work, you have to do things like jump in at them with a kick or something and see what they do about it. throw a fireball or something and see if they block it, or jump over it. if they jump over it, throw a fireball and then jump at them and explode.

the best thing i can tell you above anything: watch videos of really good people playing each other. study what they do, and go from there. www.shoryuken.com is a very good source for that.

[Jorpho]

I be another button masher.

Learning combos seems like far too much work, and I really can't see any coherent strategy in general. I am completely baffled when I start reading things like "combo breakers" or "Roman cancels" or "Burst moves" or anything of that nature.

[Crush Crawfish]

I suck at 2D fighters as well. I basically smash the buttons like a drunken rabid monkey on crack. But I still love them, especially Marvel vs. Capcom 2. :D

[hydr0x]

inspired by this thread i thought i'd give the original SF2 World Warrior for SNES a try (ntsc version), first i didn't win anything on normal with ryu, after about 10 minutes i was able to do the hurricane kick and the fire ball whenever i want to, well, 100% if i'm on the right side, 75% if i'm on the left (can't do the finger movement correct to the right) and i reached Vega without losing a single round, but i had no chance against him, won about 10% of all rounds :( i don't know, i'm a jumping player and he just jumps higher ;)

i'm better at SF2 now than ever before though LOL

[Azazel]

Generally jumping in a 2D fighter doesn't wokr that well but it's not as bad if your only playing against the CPU.