Nintendo BS-x

[grayrobertos]

I was on a DS board 2day and saw this somebody was saying the DS may have something like that.

[url]http://bszelda.zeldalegends.net/bsx.shtml[\url]

However what interested me is that on this ded snes system a 16bit update of the original zelda was released, ive never heard of it but wundering if anyone has played got or has any more info on this.

Cheers.

[badinsults]

http://snescentral.edgeemu.com/peripherals/Satellaview/


It was basically a subscription service in Japan simillar to the Sega Channel. BS Zelda was a remake of the first Zelda game for the service.

[grayrobertos]

are there any screenshots of the games? id luv to get a copy of that updated zelda, also i heard there was a zelda 3 with diff dungeons and that.

[Jorpho]

The unfortunate thing about many of the Satellaview games is that a lot of them still aren't emulated properly (or work only on very particular emulators) due to the nature of the Satellaview hardware. (It's been said that it added extra RAM to the SNES.)

I also suspect that when originally "broadcast", there was a televised audio track synched with some of the games, which is why many of them have odd periods of silence. They'll never be quite the same. At least BS Radical Dreamers (the text-based sequel to Chrono Trigger, for which an English translation patch exists) works perfectly; even if the text-based nature of it bothers you, Yamauchi's music work is still incredible.

As for the Zelda games, get yourself some patches (and screenshots) at http://donut.parodius.com/?func=trans&platform=snes&gamekey=262 and http://donut.parodius.com/?func=trans&platform=snes&gamekey=605 .

[whoisKeel]

you know...it would've been really sweet if they put this out for gba when they released the classic series...could've put a code or something to get this remix...THEN i might have actually bought it.

[max 330 mega]

that would be awesome, this will be for the DS??

[badinsults]

that would be awesome, this will be for the DS??

Not very likely.


The BS Zelda has never been properly emulated, and likely won't be for some time. It basically featured the Satellaview mascot instead of Link, and was timed. The hacks that fixed the issues no longer work with Zsnes, as Zsnes has improved greatly.

[Ed Oscuro]

Actually, in BS-X Zelda you can choose the boy or girl, so you've got mascots :P

It's a very good remake of the original Zelda, even using a little bit of Mode 7! It's a shame it was timed.

As for a synchronized audio track...the system was on, broadcasting data on one channel. I don't think they had the technology to encode the broadcast with both data and sound, as the BS-X would have to differentiate between the two somehow. Possibly these odd periods of silence are due to the rushed nature of the programs.

I think the best argument against there being audio tracks sent, though, is that you couldn't start downloading a game at any old time; you needed to turn it on before the download started (probably when a synchronization signal was broadcast), and supposing there was any free space after the download, you COULD put music in there. Yet as the BS-X didn't save this music to cart, it's safe to assume it would have to be played just as it appeared off the signal, which would lead to music not corresponding to elements in-game, and would require the BS-X to hold a great deal of extra ROM in determining when to play and fade out the track. The system was only up during a set time period, so if you missed the download you couldn't ever make it up - and it's hard to believe they'd broadcast some music you'd only be able to hear once. The whole idea of the BS-X was that you'd be able to download games to play at your leisure (apparently the BS-X Zelda was an exception?) - games that wouldn't require you go to the store and...well, the whole idea was a bit strange, but apparently a few people bought into it.

That said, it's a really pretty good theory. I find it hard to believe that even Nintendo would be obnoxious enough to suppose that gamers would buy a downloadable game storage cart and the system just to play a game that wouldn't be available in its entirety after a two hour period, ever again.

[Hovoc]

any chance of anyone recreating the first zelda in 16bit like this, without the use of what was already emulated?

id love to play this, but if its unplayable now due to znes updates or something, or isnt complete i dont care for it.


but itd be cool if someone redid this in a fully working rom

[Ed Oscuro]

Holy crap there's a ton of games for this thing.

Nevermind that bit about Nintendo not supporting the console well enough. Users must've gone through cartridges like mad on this system. At present, this is more games than I have SFC titles total!
BS Albert Odyssey (J) 608 KBytes
BS Arkanoid - Doh It Again (J) 222 KBytes
BS Bdash 2 Gatsu Gou (J) 497 KBytes
BS Bdash 3 Gatsu Gou (J) 430 KBytes
BS Block Kuzushi (J) 270 KBytes
BS Busters - Digital Magazine 4-12-98 (J) 399 KBytes
BS Busters - Digital Magazine 5-10-98 (J) 268 KBytes
BS Busters - Digital Magazine 5-24-98 (J) 362 KBytes
BS Busters - Digital Magazine 8-23-98 (J) 407 KBytes
BS Cheap de Gorgeous Vol.1 (J) 349 KBytes
BS Chrono Trigger - Character Library (J) 706 KBytes
BS Chrono Trigger - Jet Bike Special (J) 189 KBytes
BS Chrono Trigger - Music Library (J) 324 KBytes
BS Columbus no Tamagoyaki 1 (J) 309 KBytes
BS Columbus no Tamagoyaki 2 (J) 306 KBytes
BS Columbus no Tamagoyaki 3 (J) 254 KBytes
BS Cu-On-Pa SFC (J) 411 KBytes
BS Daibakushou Jinsei Gekijou (J) 589 KBytes
BS Dan Dan Belt Conveyor Milk no Maki (J) 460 KBytes
BS Dan Dan Belt Conveyor Ukulele no Maki (J) (NG-Dump Known) 390 KBytes
BS Do-Re-Mi No.2 5-10 (J) 318 KBytes
BS Do-Re-Mi No.2 5-25 (J) 301 KBytes
BS Dokapon Gaiden - Honoo no Audition (J) 645 KBytes
BS Dr. Mario (J) 200 KBytes
BS Dragon Quest (J) 495 KBytes
BS Dragon Slayer - Eiyuu Densetsu (J) 550 KBytes
BS Dynami Tracer (J) 648 KBytes
BS Excitebike Bun Bun Mario Battle Stadium 1 (J) 468 KBytes
BS Excitebike Bun Bun Mario Battle Stadium 2 (J) 468 KBytes
BS Excitebike Bun Bun Mario Battle Stadium 3 (1-11) (J) 675 KBytes
BS Excitebike Bun Bun Mario Battle Stadium 3 (2-8) (J) 671 KBytes
BS Excitebike Bun Bun Mario Battle Stadium 4 (J) 673 KBytes
BS F-ZERO (J) 276 KBytes
BS F-ZERO Ace League (J) 449 KBytes
BS F-ZERO Grand Prix 2 (J) 403 KBytes
BS F-ZERO King League (J) 449 KBytes
BS F-ZERO Knight League (J) 447 KBytes
BS F-ZERO Queen League (J) 453 KBytes
BS Fenek - June Edition (J) 343 KBytes
BS Fire Emblem Akaneia Senki 1 - Palace Kanraku (J) 538 KBytes
BS Fire Emblem Akaneia Senki 2 - Akai Ryuuki Shi (J) 406 KBytes
BS Fire Emblem Akaneia Senki 3 - Seigi no Tozokudan (J) 537 KBytes
BS Fire Emblem Akaneia Senki 4 - Hajimari no Toki (J) 538 KBytes
BS Furoito no Chousenjou 1 (J) 384 KBytes
BS Furoito no Chousenjou 2 (J) 340 KBytes
BS Furoito no Chousenjou 3 (J) 369 KBytes
BS Furoito no Chousenjou 4 (J) 397 KBytes
BS Furoito no Chousenjou 5 (J) 361 KBytes
BS Furoito no Chousenjou 6 (J) 356 KBytes
BS Gekkan Coin Toss Deck 1 (J) 380 KBytes
BS Goods Press 3 Gatsu Gou (J) 413 KBytes
BS Goods Press 6 Gatsu Gou (J) 356 KBytes
BS Goods Press 7 Gatsu Gou (J) 389 KBytes
BS Guruguru Ball (J) 245 KBytes
BS Heisei Gunjin Shougi (J) 236 KBytes
BS Ikari no Yousai (J) 507 KBytes
BS Kaizou Choujin Shubibinman Zero (J) 589 KBytes
BS Kirby no Omocha Hako (J) 155 KBytes
BS Kobo Kenshou Magazine (J) 369 KBytes
BS Kodomo Chousadan Mighty Pockets 1 (J) 637 KBytes
BS Kodomo Chousadan Mighty Pockets 2 (J) 639 KBytes
BS Kodomo Chousadan Mighty Pockets 3 (J) 681 KBytes
BS Koi ha Balance - Battle of Lovers (J) 636 KBytes
BS Let's Pachinko Nante Gindama 1 (J) 487 KBytes
BS Let's Pachinko Nante Gindama 2 (J) 526 KBytes
BS Let's Pachinko Nante Gindama 3 (J) 465 KBytes
BS Let's Pachinko Nante Gindama 4 (J) 475 KBytes
BS Lord Monarch (J) 258 KBytes
BS Mario Collection 3 (J) 515 KBytes
BS Mario Paint - 1-11 (J) 381 KBytes
BS Mario Paint - 6-4 (J) 359 KBytes
BS Marvelous Camp Arnold Course 1 (J) 555 KBytes
BS Marvelous Camp Arnold Course 2 (J) 559 KBytes
BS Marvelous Camp Arnold Course 3 (J) 557 KBytes
BS Marvelous Camp Arnold Course 4 (J) 551 KBytes
BS Marvelous Time Athletic Course 1 (J) 523 KBytes
BS Marvelous Time Athletic Course 2 (J) 524 KBytes
BS Marvelous Time Athletic Course 3 (J) 511 KBytes
BS Marvelous Time Athletic Course 4 (J) 522 KBytes
BS Nichibutsu 4 Player Mahjong 1 (J) 437 KBytes
BS Nichibutsu 4 Player Mahjong 2 (J) 437 KBytes
BS Nichibutsu Mahjong (J) 446 KBytes
BS Nintama Rantarou 2 (J) 595 KBytes
BS Nintendo HP 5-17 (J) 383 KBytes
BS Nintendo HP 5-31 (J) 416 KBytes
BS NP Magazine 107 (J) 395 KBytes
BS Out of Bounds Golf (J) 652 KBytes
BS Panel de Pon Event '98 (J) 705 KBytes
BS Parlor! Parlor! (J) 538 KBytes
BS Pokekame Magajin (J) 491 KBytes
BS Radical Dreamers (J) 778 KBytes
BS Same Game Koma Data (J) 165 KBytes
BS Satella Walker - Sate Bou wo Sukuidasu! (J) 583 KBytes
BS Satella2 1 (J) 477 KBytes
BS Shanghai - Banri no Choujou (J) 501 KBytes
BS Shin Onigashima Dai 1 Hanashi (J) 748 KBytes
BS Shin Onigashima Dai 2 Hanashi (J) 731 KBytes
BS Shin Onigashima Dai 3 Hanashi (J) 744 KBytes
BS Shin Onigashima Dai 4 Hanashi (J) 655 KBytes
BS Sousa Sentai Wappers 1 (J) 471 KBytes
BS Sousa Sentai Wappers 2 (J) 464 KBytes
BS Special Tee Shot (J) 549 KBytes
BS Spriggan Powered (J) 567 KBytes
BS St.Giga 10 Gatsu Gou (J) 315 KBytes
BS Super Earth Defense Force (J) 524 KBytes
BS Super Famicom Wars (J) [h1] 567 KBytes
BS Super Famicom Wars (J) 567 KBytes
BS Super Mahjong Taikai (J) 285 KBytes
BS Super Mario USA 1 (J) 408 KBytes
BS Super Mario USA 2 (J) 406 KBytes
BS Super Mario USA 3 (J) 399 KBytes
BS Super Mario USA 4 (J) 413 KBytes
BS Super Ninja-kun (J) 448 KBytes
BS Super Tsume Shougi 1000 (J) 231 KBytes
BS Sutte Hakkun (J) 429 KBytes
BS Sutte Hakkun 2 10-8 (J) 384 KBytes
BS Sutte Hakkun 2 6-3 (J) [!] 384 KBytes
BS Sutte Hakkun 98 Winter Event Version (J) 385 KBytes
BS Tantei Club Saihousou 1 (J) 248 KBytes
BS Tantei Club Saihousou 2 (J) 324 KBytes
BS Tantei Club Saihousou 3 (J) 341 KBytes
BS Tora no Maki 5-17 (J) 383 KBytes
BS Tora no Maki 5-31 (J) 324 KBytes
BS Treasure Conflix (J) 680 KBytes
BS Wai Wai Check 3-7th (J) 433 KBytes
BS Wapaaz Souryu Hen (J) 398 KBytes
BS Wario no Mori (J) 555 KBytes
BS Wizardry V - Heart of the Maelstrom (J) 842 KBytes
BS Yoshi no Panepon (J) 711 KBytes
BS Yung Hakase no Shinsatsu Shitsu 1 (J) 402 KBytes
BS Yung Hakase no Shinsatsu Shitsu 2 (J) 354 KBytes
BS Zelda no Densetsu - Kamigami no Triforce (J) [!] 678 KBytes
BS Zelda no Densetsu Kodai no Sekiban Dai 1 Hanashi (J) 569 KBytes
BS Zelda no Densetsu Kodai no Sekiban Dai 2 Hanashi (J) 578 KBytes
BS Zelda no Densetsu Kodai no Sekiban Dai 3 Hanashi (J) 587 KBytes
BS Zelda no Densetsu Kodai no Sekiban Dai 4 Hanashi (J) 599 KBytes
BS Zelda no Densetsu Remix (J) 204 KBytes
BS Zootto Mahjong! (J) 518 KBytes
BS Zootto Mahjong! Event Version (J) 518 KBytes

[SoulBlazer]

Boy, those screenshots of Zelda redone with 16 bit graphics make me drool......

I wish we could get Zelda 1 and 2 remade like that. LOL

[Jive3D]

I had the working roms of a hacked up version of Zelda BS-X (so it was almost fully playable) and also had Star Fex 2 SNES - really nice that my computer crashed and I lost those two, as well as a slew of all of my other emu related stuff.

Zelda BS-x was cool, but the absence of music in many areas always bothered me. I'm a music man (right here in river city)

[Jorpho]

The hacks that fixed the issues no longer work with Zsnes, as Zsnes has improved greatly.

That depends on what you mean by "improved". Like I said, it's pretty easy to "break" the emulation of some of the BS games. (For a few versions, BS Ko Hai Balance was actually crashing ZSNES.)


I think the best argument against there being audio tracks sent, though, is that you couldn't start downloading a game at any old time; you needed to turn it on before the download started (probably when a synchronization signal was broadcast), and supposing there was any free space after the download, you COULD put music in there. Yet as the BS-X didn't save this music to cart, it's safe to assume it would have to be played just as it appeared off the signal, which would lead to music not corresponding to elements in-game, and would require the BS-X to hold a great deal of extra ROM in determining when to play and fade out the track. The system was only up during a set time period, so if you missed the download you couldn't ever make it up - and it's hard to believe they'd broadcast some music you'd only be able to hear once. The whole idea of the BS-X was that you'd be able to download games to play at your leisure (apparently the BS-X Zelda was an exception?) - games that wouldn't require you go to the store and...well, the whole idea was a bit strange, but apparently a few people bought into it.

I'm still thinking that's what happened. BS Zelda reportedly stops at times and tells you to "listen closely" (although there's nothing out of the ordinary to listen to during the emulation). BS SMB USA (when run under SNES9x 1.29 or earlier) is neatly synched to a half-hour clock, and the character portraits that appear would certainly seem to have had speech connected to them originally. BS Wario has the cutscenes from Wario's Woods without any text, although admittedly it is hard to see how they could synch the cutscenes with a broadcast audio track.

Anyway, at least some of the games were "rebroadcast", so it's not quite like you'd only have one shot at it.

[badinsults]

The whole idea of the BS-X was that you'd be able to download games to play at your leisure (apparently the BS-X Zelda was an exception?) - games that wouldn't require you go to the store and...well, the whole idea was a bit strange, but apparently a few people bought into it.

Actually, the BS-X cart was more for Save RAM. From what I understand, the games were stored on the Satellaview system itself. That is why some of the Satellaview roms are missing: because it was difficult to dump them. There was definitely a limit to how many games you could have. Most of the missing roms are just online magazines anyways, so it isn't a huge loss. And BS emulation is far better now that it ever has been. The reason why some games worked before was due to bugs in emulation.

[Jorpho]

And BS emulation is far better now that it ever has been. The reason why some games worked before was due to bugs in emulation.

On what do you base this statement?

I notice that the patched version of BS Treasure Conflix indeed no longer locks up in the June ZSNES WIP, as it did in many previous versions. It has all kinds of corrupted graphics, though (unlike before).

[rbudrick]

BS Super Mario USA 1 (J) 408 KBytes
BS Super Mario USA 2 (J) 406 KBytes
BS Super Mario USA 3 (J) 399 KBytes
BS Super Mario USA 4 (J) 413 KBytes


Wow...so there was a version of SMB 2 (USA's SMB 2...the Doki Doki Panic clone) in 16 bit? Hmmm...I wonder if it was like the All Stars version...

-Rob

[Jorpho]

Pretty much. There was actually a little translation patch just released for that one. It has some pretty nifty features, especially if you run it under SNES9x 1.29 or earlier, like I said; the really cool stuff is broken if you try to run it under any other emulator.

[badinsults]

And BS emulation is far better now that it ever has been. The reason why some games worked before was due to bugs in emulation.

On what do you base this statement?

I notice that the patched version of BS Treasure Conflix indeed no longer locks up in the June ZSNES WIP, as it did in many previous versions. It has all kinds of corrupted graphics, though (unlike before).

Where do I get the basis of this information? Basically, the developers of the emulators said so. Previous work arounds were due to hacks and such. They are working on improving it further right now, if you go to the zsnes development board.