Whats happened to Sega? [Archive] - Retrogaming Roundtable

Graham Mitchell

10-24-2004, 08:21 AM

While I haven't played it, Outrun 2 looks pretty cool.

The Sonic Adventure games all don't interest me like the first ones, though. The only other post-DC Sega game I've played was Gun Valkerie for the Xbox. It looked cool (kind of like Alien Syndrome) but it wasn't fun and was a bitch to control. So, I don't know if they've really gotten worse because I've only played a few games. By and large, though, ALL games are getting worse, it's not just Sega.

sabre2922

10-24-2004, 08:35 AM

where to start?
I know that NFL2k5 is THE BEST football game ive played in years! but sports games not included was your question so here goes.
Shinobi on PS2 was a very good game IMOA
Panzer Dragoon Orta was excellent on Xbox
Skies of Arcadia is one of my all time fave RPGs great on both DC and Gamecube
The sonic adventure games were at least good also SA2 was better on DC though
Shenmue was and is a masterpiece of gaming history
Virtua Fighter 4 for PS2 was almost perfect
but overall yes the more some more recent Sega games have been surprisingly lacking in many ways so who knows what will happen from here I do know that it would be a sad day for this gamer if Sega was ever completely taken over by Sammy and for the first time in decades there were no more truly inventive and experimental triple A Sega titles like NIGHTS (SS) to shake things up a bit every now and then :)

Nez

10-24-2004, 08:48 AM

The only recent Sega release I have is Panzer Dragoon Orta. And its damn good. If you own an Xbox you must own this as well. Shame it didn't sell more.

Rugal

10-24-2004, 09:44 AM

Sega couldn't beat the competition so they folded and became a software based company only. Nintendo will follow........Someday there maybe a Nintendo and Sega merger...... @_@

pookninja

10-24-2004, 10:17 AM

well,being a big sega fan,i have to say that all the new sega releases i have played,are good quality games.the demo of outrun 2 is awesome,and i have already preordered the game.otogi 2 is pretty good,and i think alot of the sega games that have came out since they have become a software only company have been great.shinobi for ps2 is an awesome game,and i actually liked it better then ninja gaiden for xbox,you know,it actually plays like an old school ninja game,not like devil may cry like ninja gaiden doessuper monkey ball 1+2 for gamecube,awesome fun games.those two are games that will be played for years to comebilly hatcher and the giant egg,another really fun game.shunmue2 for xbox,i enjoyed the first one more,but it still is a great game.[list]panzer dragoon orta for xbox,awesome game.so,where is this lack of good stuff from sega?all i see is great games.so,alex kidd 2000,maybe you just want to pick on sega?

Rugal

10-24-2004, 10:25 AM

I love Sega as well. I can't wait for Otogi 2, eventhough i have yet to finish the first. :(

I also have Shinobi and it reminds me of the hay days when i use to play Revenge of Shinobi alot. Sega puts out hits for all ages, just dones't get the respect like it use to because all people wanna play now adayz are FPS and anything that deals with modern violence.(Ex. GTA series, Splinter cell)

I will continue to support Sega and hope they make a comback in the console business.

anagrama

10-24-2004, 10:26 AM

Am I the only one who thinks Sega's games have taken a huge dive in quality since the end of the Dreamcast (Sports games not included)?

Go play Monkey Ball 1 & 2, F-Zero GX, Panzer Dragoon Orta and Outrun 2 and then come back and eat your words.

Kamino

10-24-2004, 11:27 AM

Sega couldn't beat the competition so they folded and became a software based company only. Nintendo will follow........Someday there maybe a Nintendo and Sega merger...... @_@

I will laugh my ass off when that happens. But given nintendo's recent OWNING themselves, i sincerely hope they fold. SOON.

Cauterize

10-24-2004, 11:30 AM

By and large, though, ALL games are getting worse, it's not just Sega.

That is so true... i wont name examples as ill probably offend someone!

dethink

10-24-2004, 11:35 AM

sega has been putting out some great games, but thanks to their development teams' hairbrained release scheme, you have to own ALL 3 CONSOLES to get them. :angry: i think this has more to do with sega's perceived "lack of quality" thank anything else, along with somehow being unable to come up with a sonic game to rival nintendo's best 3D platform efforts.

if you want VF4, shinobi, sega rally, etc. you have to own a PS2. if you want panzer dragoon, sega GT, JSRF, otogi, outrun, etc. you have to own an xbox. if you want f-zero, super monkey ball, etc. you have to own a GC.

Aussie2B

10-24-2004, 11:47 AM

Super Monkey Ball is one of the best games they have ever created (mostly for 4-player Monkey Target, hehe), in my opinion.

MegaDrive20XX

10-24-2004, 12:03 PM

Panzer Dragoon Orta was brilliant, finally porting Shenmue 2 was a good idea, Sonic Mega Collection was good...(But where the hell was Sonic CD?)...the Sonic Adventure series...I only liked Sonic DX on Cube for the 12 Sonic Game Gear games hidden inside.

Phantasy Star Online for Xbox and Cube was a nice touch (If it wasn't for Sega, I think GameCube wouldn't have had online features...damn Nintendo's stubborn ways)

Sega, I don't know what to think of them in this state and time...I just hope 2005 is a better year for them

El CiF

10-24-2004, 12:17 PM

im surprised no ones mentioned Otogi
cant forget that one
i never played Panzer Dragoon Orta but i think i might pick it up

XxMe2NiKxX

10-24-2004, 12:19 PM

I'm waiting for the creation of SeDo, and for Genesis to be remade.

Gapporin

10-24-2004, 02:13 PM

Why lament about Sega's troubles when you can just take control of them?

http://www.gamespot.com/gamespot/features/all/gamespotting/083101/shared/segagaga.jpg

Um, yeah. I wish Sega would release in the States all the Japan-specific games that have been developed within the company's history. Where's my Girl's Garden remake, Sega!?

Oh well. I guess the Sega Ages series will have to do for now.

Ranger-X

10-24-2004, 02:28 PM

Yeah, Sega has just gone straight downhill ever since they started making Sega CD and 32x. And even Sega Saturn didn't do that well. I've always been a Sonic fan, though, and I especially enjoyed Sonic Heroes. Team Sonic is still doing a great job. And F-Zero GX was great, too! I don't have much experience with the other games, though.

Sega couldn't beat the competition so they folded and became a software based company only. Nintendo will follow........Someday there maybe a Nintendo and Sega merger...... @_@

Oh please, no! It's ok for Sega to make games for Nintendo, but if there is ever a merger, that will be the day I stop playing console games. I don't think they will merge any time soon, though, considering the fact that Sega still does a respectable amount of business with Sony as well.

Push Upstairs

10-24-2004, 02:42 PM

dbiersdorf

10-24-2004, 09:54 PM

soniko_karuto

10-24-2004, 10:03 PM

Someday there maybe a Nintendo and Sega merger...... @_@

I only hope Sammy/Sega are the majority instead of Nintendo.

I find it repulsive that i have to buy 65 accessories to get the most out of my games.

kinda like the genny with the sega cd and the 32x, and the power base converter if i'm not mistaken.

Fuyukaze

10-24-2004, 10:06 PM

The biggest problems ive noticed down here in Texas, is that Sega games just arnt liked. Doesnt realy matter how good or bad they are. The only way I could see Sega making a comback would require them to change the mindset of american gamers. Somehow convince them that the games do not suck because they were released by Sega Many of you (i count myself as one of these) may love Sega systems and games, but next time your at a local game store, ask what the emps think of a curent Sega game you have played. Ask your friends who you know havent played any games by Sega. I'm willing to bet the answers you get will leave you wondering about them.

slip81

10-24-2004, 10:23 PM

I've always been a Sega fan, and while I don't really like any of the new Sonic stuff, I like a lot of the other stuff they've done on the PS2 and GC (can't really say for the xbox since I don't have one, though the Outrun demo rules). I don't think they're going downhill, they just make games for a certain type of gamer, and right now most gamers want GTA clones and that's not what they do.

It's seems to me that Sega's stuff is (and has been) more Arcadey and platformy than serious and grim and bloodsplattered. And right now spy games and free roaming enviorments rule. I hope Sega keeps doing what they are doing cause IMO they're good at it, and it would be a shame to see them change they're style just because they feel they have to adapt.

Graham Mitchell

10-24-2004, 10:54 PM

It's seems to me that Sega's stuff is (and has been) more Arcadey and platformy than serious and grim and bloodsplattered. And right now spy games and free roaming enviorments rule. I hope Sega keeps doing what they are doing cause IMO they're good at it, and it would be a shame to see them change they're style just because they feel they have to adapt.

You speak the truth. I think that's exactly why people probably have a lower opinion of Sega these days.

I think an interesting point to recognize is that we who participate on the boards here are much less likely to buy and enjoy a game simply because it sells well, which means we who respond to this post are probably all gonna really dig Sega. For the past 4 or 5 years, Sega stuff has not sold competitively, which causes (particularly younger) people to avoid it. Also, if it's not selling all that much, there's much less chance new people will get the exposure to the games that sparks their interest in the first place, so it's a vicious cycle. I think the type of people who like Sega will always like Sega, but there's plenty of people out there who don't like the style of games Sega produces (which makes up probably the majority of the video game consumers out there right now--sports games and violent games are doing better than anything. One of those two is not really Sega's cup of tea.)

postulio

10-25-2004, 12:04 AM

nintendo will never fold. if you knew its history and the people behind the company, you wouldnt say it. Read the book 'game over' by David Sheff for infromation.
Sega was actually losing money, nintendo is making hundreds of millions. besides wasnt it the president of nintendo that said the day that nintendo withdraws from the console market is the day that they will withdraw from the gaming market all together.
Sega folded after 3 and a half years of negative profits. nintendo is constantly growing.

/end rant

eightbitonline

10-25-2004, 12:24 AM

i was really getting excited for sega when i played games like chu chu rocket, space channel 5, jet grind radio, shenmue, and all their great sports games on DC. i also got hyped about super monkey ball, which delivered on the 'cube, but then billy hatcher didn't really impress, and other efforts across all platforms have been good, but not the phenomenal forward charge that they had going on for a while on the DC. the jury's still out on this one, especially since they've been under heavy reconstruction for the last 2 (at least) years. we can only wait and see if they're going up or down.

has anyone played amazing island? i'm tempted, but i'm a cheapskate so i'm not gonna buy it until it comes down in price.

Push Upstairs

10-25-2004, 04:30 AM

kinda like the genny with the sega cd and the 32x, and the power base converter if i'm not mistaken.

I'm not talking about buying some add-on that requires its own games, i'm talking about buying ONE game and having to buy other things to "unlock" added features of the game.

I don't have to own a 32x to play 2 player mode in "Sonic 2", I don't need a Sega CD to play as Shiva in SOR3....and Sonic 3 only really needed "Sonic & Knuckles" to make itself "complete".

If i collect hidden stuff/items in Crash Bandicoot I can unlock hidden stuff.

If i wanna play the "master levels" in Mario Advance 4...well shit, i need an E-reader, and another GBA/SP. Honestly, couldn't that have been something you could unlock after scoring so many points or beating the game a certain # of times, or collecting items? (But that wouldnt get Nintendo any money)

There isnt any shame in having stuff unlockable.

kai123

10-25-2004, 06:39 AM

(But that wouldnt get Nintendo any money)

You mean to tell me that Nintendo and all the game companies are after money? Say it ain't so. :roll:

Sega is good just not as good as they used to be. If you don't change with what the customer wants then you will eventually fail.

jdc

10-25-2004, 09:40 AM

Sega always seemed to bring something different to the table.......which, of course, was not only their greatest strength, but also their greatest weakness.

In these days when the casual gamer is demanding a narrower range of genre, it's a real shame that an innovator can't be allowed to innovate and be successful.

Look at Katamari Damacy. I think that it's safe to assume that most of the members of this forum have fallen head over heels in like with this simplistic "retro" title. I'll wager that at game shops everywhere the average gamer has seen it....MAYBE even rented it....and deemed it a steaming pile of shit, a kiddie game and a waste of plastic.

FantasiaWHT

10-25-2004, 09:55 AM

Props out to Otogi 1 and 2 :) Only mentioned once here and worth mentioning again. And I like Sega's publishing strategy of console exclusivity.

Anybody who honestly thinks Nintendo is failing or will fold hasn't done any real research...

They completely own the extremely lucrative handheld market. As much as we hate the lack of ingenuity, think how much profit all their ports (4 mario games, all the classic games, etc.) make. It's probably all profit after selling about 1,000 copies :P There are almost as many GBA's (including SPs) as there are Playstation 2's on the market.

Their console is #2 worldwide.

They are the #3 publisher in gross sales. They are the highest on the list that both publishes games and creates consoles. By a long shot :P

They own 2 of the most popular gaming franchises of all time. (Mario, Zelda)

How is this a failing situation?

EnemyZero

10-25-2004, 12:13 PM

Thats an understatement. Sega is just as good as they've always been, there not just appreciated as much due, too the only people who really KNOW sega are older gamers

soniko_karuto

10-25-2004, 12:58 PM

kinda like the genny with the sega cd and the 32x, and the power base converter if i'm not mistaken.

I'm not talking about buying some add-on that requires its own games, i'm talking about buying ONE game and having to buy other things to "unlock" added features of the game.

*snip*

If i collect hidden stuff/items in Crash Bandicoot I can unlock hidden stuff.

*snip*
E-reader, and another GBA/SP.
*snip*

well, this has been going on japan since a long time, at least you just need another gba and the e reader, but lets look at this if you will.

http://www.atarihq.com/tsr/fc/datach.html

yep, that idea had been done long before the e reader. and with the same or better results.

Push Upstairs

10-25-2004, 03:20 PM

well, this has been going on japan since a long time, at least you just need another gba and the e reader, but lets look at this if you will.

http://www.atarihq.com/tsr/fc/datach.html

yep, that idea had been done long before the e reader. and with the same or better results.

To be honest, thats a better thing that the whole "E-reader + extra system" fiasco.

If i am understanding that thing correctly, its simply a device you plug into your Famicom and then swipe some barcodes and plug some games into.

I think this sums things up nicely.

"Master Levels" and extra features to a port of an older game really should be gifts to a good game player instead of to those willing to buy everything Nintendo cranks out.