Nintendo DS = R.I.P. to GBA?

[Sebastian]

You know how Nintendo always states that DS is the "third pillar" and not the "next gameboy."

So with that said....do you think in reality there will be support for GBA untill the next "real" gameboy will come out Or will DS take over as if it was the next gameboy.

Whatcha think?

[MegaDrive20XX]

Oh I know it's already happening

look at ign.com, whenever they have to make another website dedicated to the Nintendo DS....and another link for GBA...it's a dead give away

[Sebastian]

that kinda sux cuz i love my 2d GBA (mini-snes...as I call it)
And the DS ...I care not for it.

Hey, If I want crappy 3d GFX and bad controls I'll go play Tomb Raider on the original PS1 controller LOL NO NEED FOR A DS

NEED FOR MORE SWEET GBA 2D games :evil:

[MegaDrive20XX]

I hate to say this, but I think GBA will be the last true 2D home console ever

[Sebastian]

yea, no joke.... :(

[tholly]

i think until the DS gets fully established with a strong variety of games, the GBA will be fine, but maybe 6-12 months down the road i think it will be very rare to see a GBA game get released w/ the longest supporters being Nintendo and EA for the GBA

[Sebastian]

Well so much for nintendo's "third pillar BullSHIT"

[Push Upstairs]

Yes.

Because i remember being a kid and when you are a kid you want the newest and coolest thing thats out.

Nintendo talking about how the DS isnt going to replace the GBA...whatever.

Nintendo knows damn well that kids are going to beg and plead for the DS even though they have a perfectly good SP.

[Captain Wrong]

Yes.

Because i remember being a kid and when you are a kid you want the newest and coolest thing thats out.

Nintendo talking about how the DS isnt going to replace the GBA...whatever.

Nintendo knows damn well that kids are going to beg and plead for the DS even though they have a perfectly good SP.

DING DING DING

[classicb]

the GBA is Nintendo's PSOne. It will have games for several more years from now before it dies. That is if the DS suceeds other wise we might see the GBA SP2X

[Brian_Provinciano]

I love the GBA and want it to continue. However, Nintendo stating the DS is not replacing the GBA is bogus. Just as the DS plays GBA games, the GBA plays GBC games, but despite this, after a while, GBC production stopped, as will GBA. The DS does look nice, but it's definitely a GBA replacement-- unless it flops.

[Algol]

If the DS is a success, the GBA will likely go on for a couple more years, like the PS1 did after the PS2 launched.

[Ed Oscuro]

Eh, I'm really sick of the GBA and its awful sound by now.

Frankly it'll be a DAMN long time before I play through the classic 2D games backlog, so...whatever. I'm not worried about it.

It's as if having a little blot of static pixels makes a game good. No...3D games can do the side-view concept just fine; it's just that developers seem to be wusses in committing to doing things right. Oh well.

[Ernster]

I have to say Nintendo are idiots. They should of called it Gameboy DS. I dont wanna hear this 3rd pillar bullshit, its common sence, when you have a really popular brand name such as the Gameboy, than you stick with it. Its like Sony giving up the Playstion name, it just dosen't manke any sense.

[XxMe2NiKxX]

There's going to be another gameboy, which is going to, co-incedentally, knock nintendo's own system out.

[Crush Crawfish]

I'm looking forward to the DS. I think it will be similar to the PS1-PS2 situation where many games for the older system are still being produced. I also think nintendo will drop the price even more, maybe to $50. Therefore we have the 3 pillars- gamecube= home console, DS= more advanced and expensive portable aimed at older gamers, and GBA= cheaper portable alternative aimed at a younger audience. That's what I think nintendo means by 3 pillars.

[FlufflePuff]

I disagree with most and say that the GBA SP will stick around for a long while. Probably another 2 years. With the Gameboy, Gameboy Color, NES, and SNES, the big N toughed it out and continued to release games for years after the next gen console came out. The Virtual Boy didn't have support because it tanked, and the N64 didn't have support because it was a crappy system with a crappy 5 years Nintendo wanted to put behind them. The Gameboy is Nintendo's bread and butter and I think we'll see the GBA supported for a good long while, possibly at a lower price point ($49.99). Finally, as the DS is backwards compatible with the GBA, I'm sure that many projects that would either get ported over or discontinued if there was a format switch will be released as late comers, giving a much longer life to the GBA.

[Ernster]

How can you say N64 was a crappy system :hmm: Your opinion I guess, but I strongly disagree with it. Anyway Ill get back on topic, Im interested in the DS, some games Id love to get now and in the future but Ive NEVER owned a handheld before, and im not sure if I really want a DS, due to the small screens. If DS had 2 PSP sized screens than id probably be sold on it, but yeah im just not sure :(

[Ed Oscuro]

How can you say N64 was a crappy system :hmm: Your opinion I guess, but I strongly disagree with it. Anyway Ill get back on topic, Im interested in the DS, some games Id love to get now and in the future but Ive NEVER owned a handheld before, and im not sure if I really want a DS, due to the small screens. If DS had 2 PSP sized screens than id probably be sold on it, but yeah im just not sure :(
Agree completely, especially about the N64! Just started my N64 import collection the other day, so many good games are out there for the thing but you really have to look for 'em.

I haven't bought a handheld to use the onboard screen as my primary viewing area, but whenever I've used my Nomad I've been happy with it. I expect the screen on the DS to be greatly improved over ten year old tech, but even that system wasn't too terrible. It would get to your eyes after too much playtime, but so will a computer monitor :P

So I think you can mostly put that concern to rest. That leaves screen real estate, and I'd have to take a look at it...if it's bigger than the Nomad, I'm OK; if it's smaller, I'll have to think about it. I'd like it if Nintendo released some sort of DS Player or a DS to TV cable as well.

[hydr0x]

i have to disagree with most people here and say that the gba will be around for a while. why?

1)NO system did cease to exist as soon as the follow-up arrived

2)PSX Phenomenon ² : The PSX still sees new releases (two in the line in germany for november) 4 years after the PS2 release, despite the graphics being totally inferior. the reason? low production costs.... this will be the same when comparing gba and ds. ok, but why ² ? because of this: there are just a lot of games that would not benefit of the 2nd screen and stylus stuff at all and a lot are even superior if you don't have the 2nd screen to fill up with some stupid crap and it distracting the people from the 1st screen. think about being a producer, you don't have that much money, you want to do a 2D game and you really see no use/need for the 2nd screen or stylus, what are you going to do? of course make a gba game instead of a ds one, it's cheaper, and the ds-only owners can play it anyway...

[MegaDrive20XX]

How can you say N64 was a crappy system :hmm: Your opinion I guess, but I strongly disagree with it. Anyway Ill get back on topic, Im interested in the DS, some games Id love to get now and in the future but Ive NEVER owned a handheld before, and im not sure if I really want a DS, due to the small screens. If DS had 2 PSP sized screens than id probably be sold on it, but yeah im just not sure :(
Agree completely, especially about the N64! Just started my N64 import collection the other day, so many good games are out there for the thing but you really have to look for 'em.

Bingo! N64 wasn't a crappy system, you gotta look hard into the mouth of the forgotten one, how else do you explain GoldenEye on the top 10 for over 30+ weeks!

Import wise, N64 really strives greater, especially with Sin and Punishment

And if N64 was a crappy system, then explain why Super Mario 64 is being released for Nintendo DS? Animal Crossing/Animal Forest for DS? Maybe because they were on N64 and sold well in the US and Japan as well?

[slip81]

I don't think the DS will take over the GBA as long as Nintendo and other developers keep making GBA games, and I see no reason for them not to since Nintendo has said that the DS is not the next gameboy. It seems to me that they plan to fully support the GBA untill Nintendo decides to release the successor to it.

[kai123]

There will still be GBA games because of Pokemon. You can't link your new GBA pokemon games together with a DS. It will die when the DS pokemon game comes out.

[Push Upstairs]

And if N64 was a crappy system, then explain why Super Mario 64 is being released for Nintendo DS? Animal Crossing/Animal Forest for DS? Maybe because they were on N64 and sold well in the US and Japan as well?


Because Nintendo has this penchant for re-releasing games on thier portable systems.

Gameboy got a *NEW* Mario adventure on its launch...why can't this "system not designed to replace the GBA" get something more than an overblown port?

[Captain Wrong]

And if N64 was a crappy system, then explain why Super Mario 64 is being released for Nintendo DS? Animal Crossing/Animal Forest for DS? Maybe because they were on N64 and sold well in the US and Japan as well?

Could be that Nintendo is out of new ideas and is all about recycling their old games these days.

[MegaDrive20XX]

And if N64 was a crappy system, then explain why Super Mario 64 is being released for Nintendo DS? Animal Crossing/Animal Forest for DS? Maybe because they were on N64 and sold well in the US and Japan as well?


Because Nintendo has this penchant for re-releasing games on thier portable systems.

Gameboy got a *NEW* Mario adventure on its launch...why can't this "system not designed to replace the GBA" get something more than an overblown port?

Exactly! Milking the cash cow! if it did good once, why not again?

[Push Upstairs]

I'm not trying to be overly cynical but this general laziness Nintendo has that people think is something else really bothers me.

If i paid for it once and mastered it, what exactly is the point of buying the game once again?

If you know all there is to know about the game: Where items are, how to beat the bosses...so on...what is the incentive to purchase the game again? Portability? That doesnt make up for the fact that I've played this game before.

I understand that there are games that are a total blast to play and some people can't get enough of the games, but at some point you have to play something new. Where is the sense of exploring new levels and having unknown challenges ahead when its a game that you have already owned and played?

[MegaDrive20XX]

Pretty much how I felt when Super Mario Advance on GBA arrived...I kept saying "Just release All-Stars"...but nope...and for the record, I do believe Nintendo is out of ideas...there is a big ugly 3-4 page article about Nintendo becoming their own worst enemy...

http://cube.ign.com/articles/561/561400p1.html

Some of the issues I don't really agree with, while some I do on this link (Then again, I just think IGN is a crock, but it was a decent article)

[kai123]

And if N64 was a crappy system, then explain why Super Mario 64 is being released for Nintendo DS? Animal Crossing/Animal Forest for DS? Maybe because they were on N64 and sold well in the US and Japan as well?

Could be that Nintendo is out of new ideas and is all about recycling their old games these days.

Ding Ding we have a winner. The DS launch is one of the worst I have ever seen. They are bringing nothing to the table that truly shows what innovation the DS is supposed to bring. Why the hell do I need two screens to play Mario 64? It worked just fine on my old 13" tv. Metroid Prime hunters is what had me excited but instead of a launch title I get a damn demo cart. :roll:

[Push Upstairs]

I read that IGN article (BTW, IGN sucks and has since 2000)


Four Swords DS? is this the four player element on the SNES PORT or just the SNES PORT on the DS?

What about this Super Mario Brothers DS? New adventure, or SMB 1 but in "3D"?

[NintendoMan]

the GBA is Nintendo's PSOne. It will have games for several more years from now before it dies. That is if the DS suceeds other wise we might see the GBA SP2X

I think that is exactly true. They won't be making games like they do now for it, but probably only half of what they make now. As long as they still sell.

[NintendoMan]

And if N64 was a crappy system, then explain why Super Mario 64 is being released for Nintendo DS? Animal Crossing/Animal Forest for DS? Maybe because they were on N64 and sold well in the US and Japan as well?

Could be that Nintendo is out of new ideas and is all about recycling their old games these days.

Ding Ding we have a winner. The DS launch is one of the worst I have ever seen. They are bringing nothing to the table that truly shows what innovation the DS is supposed to bring. Why the hell do I need two screens to play Mario 64? It worked just fine on my old 13" tv. Metroid Prime hunters is what had me excited but instead of a launch title I get a damn demo cart. :roll:

What innovation is the PSP bringing???

[FlufflePuff]

I don't mean to sidetrack the thread, but I'll defend my dislike of the N64 before getting back to the subject of the DS. Like any system, the N64 did have good games. Mario 64, the Zeldas, Blast Corp., Goldeneye, etc. However, it lacked much depth to its lineup (only 3 RPGs, all of which sucked). Terrible controller for sports games. The list goes on. It was also a commercial failure. Not in that it didn't make money, but that it so seriously eroded Nintendo's fan base as to cripple the Gamecube before it even left the gate. That's the reason they dumped it as soon as the Gamecube came out. This is the same reason I don't think the GBA will be dropped immediately. The GBA is a phenominally successful system, both in terms of financial success and in depth of catalog. The depth of its catalog and the volume of "must have titles" will keep the GBA alive for at least a year or two, even considering that the DS will be backwards compatible. Nintendo will likely drop the price of the GBA to continue its run, but I expect to see new releases for the system at least until late 2006, early 2007.

[MegaDrive20XX]

I don't mean to sidetrack the thread, but I'll defend my dislike of the N64 before getting back to the subject of the DS. Like any system, the N64 did have good games. Mario 64, the Zeldas, Blast Corp., Goldeneye, etc. However, it lacked much depth to its lineup (only 3 RPGs, all of which sucked). Terrible controller for sports games. The list goes on. It was also a commercial failure. Not in that it didn't make money, but that it so seriously eroded Nintendo's fan base as to cripple the Gamecube before it even left the gate. That's the reason they dumped it as soon as the Gamecube came out. This is the same reason I don't think the GBA will be dropped immediately. The GBA is a phenominally successful system, both in terms of financial success and in depth of catalog. The depth of its catalog and the volume of "must have titles" will keep the GBA alive for at least a year or two, even considering that the DS will be backwards compatible. Nintendo will likely drop the price of the GBA to continue its run, but I expect to see new releases for the system at least until late 2006, early 2007.

While I agree with you, the fans did feel jaded...and Nintendo ignores the existence of the N64 to this day. No RPG support what so ever...but I disagree on those three sucking..it's better then nothing, alright?...but, GBA was groundbreaking during 2001 because we finally have Mode 7/SNES Graphics on a portable...bringing back what made the SNES so amazing...yet port after port is what Nintendo's plan was to attract a new generation of gamers to the world of Nintendo...but how do the veterans feel? Nice to have it on the go..yet I have heard this many times "Why play a game I have already played and finished before?"....two sides to everything..there is originality by a mouthful...but let's face it...GameBoy is the mafia of the portable world...no one can touch "The Don of Game Boy".....So far, DS is doing the same pattern...this time with N64/Cube favorites...yet let's see what the future holds...I know DS will sell in massive numbers well because everyone and their granny when they go to the store this christmas of 2004 knows "Nintendo" like an old friend....though the originality is where it counts and it's too early to call the shots now until they are out there on store shelves.

I will always say Nintendo is a hard headed bastard....but support for the GBA will not stop...it'll go out slowly instead...just like GameBoy Color did when GBA arrived...weeks will turn into months...months will turn into 3 months apart for some releases...and so forth until the GBA fades

Now saying that the N64 crippled Cube sales...I would say, somewhat...but not to the point of the likes of a Sega system I'd say...after seeing how many people demanded a Cube during Christmas season of 2003 because of that Zelda game was insane...if Zelda OoT sucked so bad...why does everyone know it??

What I'm saying is, if N64 sales were bad, how come the average game player can say something about that one game...or goldeneye? Something isn't right in the sales number is my point...someone has an N64 hidden in the closet and won't confess or I'm just hearing lies from the public...you be the judge..because something does not sound right to me

the one thing Nintendo did push, is multiplayer games with the N64, first system to have 4 controller ports without the need of a multi-tap...regardless of what people say about Nintendo...the disappointments and the classics....they always will strive for being different and original..

[YoshiM]

I too have to kinda sidetrack the thread to defend the N64. Commercial failure? That depends what you deem a failure. True it may not have trounced the Playstation and I know Nintendo lost some fans due to the overall "cool" factor of the Playstation but you cannot deny the N64 created several industry trends that are adhered to today (analog sticks as standard controllers, console computer controlled force feedback, 4 controller port standard [Atari 5200 had this first but it never caught on]). Fluff, you may not have liked it, but there are many, many people out there who were out there September 29th (or earlier thanks to a release date break by some toy retailers) to get their N64's.

::pushes train back on track::

I have to agree with others: the GBA releases will trickle to a halt when the DS picks up some steam and Nintendo starts influencing developers to develop for the new platform. I do not believe that the DS will be a "companion" or "pillar" next to the GBA. In today's Nintendo terms, back in 1991 the SNES was a "third pillar" to the NES and Game Boy. It's going to replace the GBA, no doubt about it.

[Ed Oscuro]

While I agree with you, the fans did feel jaded...and Nintendo ignores the existence of the N64 to this day.
It would seem that the existence of the DS is a counter to your argument...and Nintendo lists the N64 on their website, but not the Virtual Boy. Go figure!

[MegaDrive20XX]

While I agree with you, the fans did feel jaded...and Nintendo ignores the existence of the N64 to this day.
It would seem that the existence of the DS is a counter to your argument...and Nintendo lists the N64 on their website, but not the Virtual Boy. Go figure!


Shhh What Virtual Boy? *CIA and FBI Agents appear* 8-) 8-) 8-)

True it is on their website, but if you ask anyone from Nintendo about the 64, they'll just laugh and give you a free pin about GameCube and it's wonderful products ^_^

[Ed Oscuro]

Eins, zwei, FBI LOL

[NintendoMan]

So far, DS is doing the same pattern...this time with N64/Cube favorites...yet let's see what the future holds...I know DS will sell in massive numbers well because everyone and their granny when they go to the store this christmas of 2004 knows "Nintendo" like an old friend..

I definately agree with you 100%, on the point of Nintendo making N64 favs. on the DS just like N is doing on the GBA, and they are selling!
(This is a huge point to make to people saying why Nintendo is making all these remakes of N64 games, yet GBA is doing it and looks how the Gameboy sells!!!)
:)

[Ed Oscuro]

NES to GBA = instantly playable classics
N64 to DS = no instant action for the handheld format, but lots of glitter of the 1997 sort