Ok, now that Halo is out, is it going to affect the future?

[swlovinist]

We all may have a different opinion of Halo 2, but I think we can agree that 1) It is going to sell ALOT. 2) It will raise the bar for what is to be expected in an A+ title. How do you think this will affect the gaming community? I would love to hear from others on their differing opionions on this matter. As much as I am not a Halo fanboy, I worked last night at a local Gamestop and it was as crazy as a console launch. over 150 people were in line. Is this going to affect sales of other quality games this holiday? hmmmm......

[jdc]

Unfortunately, Halo2, San Andreas and Gran Turismo 4 are going to hog the Christmas limelight away from other A+ titles that deserve recognition.

I'm playing one now, and I've heard no mention of it elsewhere. Lord Of The Rings The Third Age. It should be a game of the year contender if there's any fairness in the world. I'll bet that either Halo2 or San Andreas take the title by default.

[kainemaxwell]

MS is hoping Halo 2 will ride the X-Box to the bank and turn alot of their red ink to black.

[tritium]

Umm Don't forget Metroid Prime 2... That seems to be getting plenty of Limelight as well.

-Tritium

[MarioAllStar2600]

Umm Don't forget Metroid Prime 2... That seems to be getting plenty of Limelight as well.

-Tritium

Not really. Infact I completly forgot about Prime 2 in the midst of the GTA:SA and Halo 2 madness. That is all anyone talks about in school.

GTA: SA raised the bar in the gaming industry, but Halo I don't think did. I haven't played the game yet but from what I have seen and heard its just another good FPS.

Period is Halo 2 is overrated. And now for another 3 or 4 years were gunna have to deal with how cool and how no game will ever beat Halo 2. Trust me Im not looking foward to it. :angry:

GIVE ME GOLDENEYE FOR N64 ANYDAY OVER HALO 2!

[Ed Oscuro]

You've played Halo 2, MAS2600?

[zmweasel]

GIVE ME GOLDENEYE FOR N64 ANYDAY OVER HALO 2!

Give me GoldenEye (or Perfect Dark) at 60 fps. 'Til then, I'll stick with Halo 2 and TimeSplitters 3.

-- Z.

[Ed Oscuro]

Ain't it the truth...

[MarioAllStar2600]

You've played Halo 2, MAS2600?

Nope, refuse to spend $50 on that game. The first one wasn't very good, so unless there was a drastic change me no buy. I am picking one up for my friend tonight if any stores have extras. So I will be giving it a shot either today or tommorow.

[hydr0x]

2) It will raise the bar for what is to be expected in an A+ title.

honestly, i don't see that at all, how can you be so sure, there was nothing super spectacular about the preview versions imho, if you want a game that raises the bar take a look at Half-Life 2

[zmweasel]

Unfortunately, Halo2, San Andreas and Gran Turismo 4 are going to hog the Christmas limelight away from other A+ titles that deserve recognition.

I'm playing one now, and I've heard no mention of it elsewhere. Lord Of The Rings The Third Age. It should be a game of the year contender if there's any fairness in the world. I'll bet that either Halo2 or San Andreas take the title by default.

The Third Age is good, but nowhere GotY good. You're letting your (totally understandable) love of the movie trilogy cloud your judgement. My pal Raymond Padilla hit upon its biggest weakness in his GameSpy review: "The characters and story are so banal that I was totally over the game once I beat it."

-- Z.

[LiquidX01]

GTA: SA raised the bar in the gaming industry

:hmm: You cant be serious.:roll:

I have played GTA: SA and to me that shit is just a bunch of repetative garbage like all the other ones that came before it.

Im not even gonna say that Halo 2 raised the bar in the gaming industry. :/

[kai123]

Umm Don't forget Metroid Prime 2... That seems to be getting plenty of Limelight as well.

-Tritium

Not really. Infact I completly forgot about Prime 2 in the midst of the GTA:SA and Halo 2 madness. That is all anyone talks about in school.

GTA: SA raised the bar in the gaming industry, but Halo I don't think did. I haven't played the game yet but from what I have seen and heard its just another good FPS.

Period is Halo 2 is overrated. And now for another 3 or 4 years were gunna have to deal with how cool and how no game will ever beat Halo 2. Trust me Im not looking foward to it. :angry:

GIVE ME GOLDENEYE FOR N64 ANYDAY OVER HALO 2!

Good job on making your mind up about a game that you haven't played. Lets all wait for Nintendo to do something original with their time. WOW mario tennis an update to a game that we all have played before on the n64. Some seem to think that companies like EA are bad but Nintendo does it all the time. No one cares though.

[kai123]

GTA: SA raised the bar in the gaming industry

:hmm: You cant be serious.:roll:

I have played GTA: SA and to me that shit is just a bunch of repetative garbage like all the other ones that came before it.

Im not even gonna say that Halo 2 raised the bar in the gaming industry. :/

Really? You name some games that have raised the bar in the gaming industry. Only from this year. I don't want to hear about some snes games or something like that.

[MegaDrive20XX]

Do you think Goldeneye Rogue Agent will get any respect?

[zmweasel]

Do you think Goldeneye Rogue Agent will get any respect?

Nothing like the N64 game, no. It's running a modded version of the Medal of Honor: Rising Sun engine, which should immediately lower your expectations.

-- Z.

[imanerd0011]

I don't know how good the game is , or if it will raise the bar of how good an A+ title has to be, but I do know that it's selling like crazy. This game has more hype than any game in the last 5 yrs (IMHO). My friend went and picked it up last night at 12 , and he had to wait in line for over 2 hours, that is rediculous. I really don't play too many new games, so I could really care less, but this game has to be setting records as far as sales go.

[zmweasel]

I don't know how good the game is , or if it will raise the bar of how good an A+ title has to be, but I do know that it's selling like crazy. This game has more hype than any game in the last 5 yrs (IMHO). My friend went and picked it up last night at 12 , and he had to wait in line for over 2 hours, that is rediculous. I really don't play too many new games, so I could really care less, but this game has to be setting records as far as sales go.

I believe Halo 2 set a pre-order video game sales record, and it'll probably be the best-selling game of 2004, but it's not going to hit the top of the all-time list. (There aren't enough Xboxes out there, for one; MS would have to sell a copy of Halo 2 for every Xbox in existence to approach Super Mario Bros. 3.)

-- Z.

[Algol]

Will somebody please tell me why Halo 2 deserves half the hype it is receiving in the first place? That's all I have to say about that for now. :|

[SoulBlazer]

It's a fun FPS, a genre that has been getting a lot of attention and praise in recent years. Much like FF7 did with RPG's, Street Fighter II for fighters, and Madden for football games, it ushered in a new era of clones and good games. If you don't like FPS', of course you won'nt excited. I could care less about fighters but I can understand wh SF II is hailed as one of the great games of our age.

[MegaDrive20XX]

Do you think Goldeneye Rogue Agent will get any respect?

Nothing like the N64 game, no. It's running a modded version of the Medal of Honor: Rising Sun engine, which should immediately lower your expectations.

-- Z.

Wow...sadness...well there goes that idea

[Ed Oscuro]

Really? You name some games that have raised the bar in the gaming industry. Only from this year. I don't want to hear about some snes games or something like that.
Perhaps the answer this year could arguably be: Nothing HAS raised the bar. I don't see anything wrong with having the year's achievement be "better graphics," but from a gameplay standpoint LiquidX01 is certainly justified in saying that he feels GTA:SA hasn't changed much (I personally aren't expecting it to add much to the mix).

Halo 2, on the other hand, is definitely going to change some expectations...if I create the most amazing game ever but all of 100 people play it, then nobody will be influenced by it. Influencing people = raising expectations, in this instance.

[Canadian Psycho]

I believe Halo 2 set a pre-order video game sales record, and it'll probably be the best-selling game of 2004,

-- Z.

Really? There is so many more PS2s than XBoxes in homes right now that logic dictates GTA: SA will most probably outsell Halo 2 (even if it has set a preorder record), no? We'll have to wait and see I guess.

[buttasuperb]

xbox sf anniversary > anything mentioned in this thread

[Ed Oscuro]

Logic doesn't dictate any such thing...as has been noted, XBox owners have a rather limited amount of choices, so it makes all sorts of sense that a much higher number of XBox owners are going to get Halo 2, whereas PlayStation 2 owners have more choices.

[morphx]

In my opinion games like Halo 2 and GTA are for people with low attention spans or just the overriding desire to blow shit up. I know you can do missions and get real detailed into the game, but lets face it people play it to blow shit up.

I'll stick to my RPG/Adventure games that are fun to me every second I'm playing them.

[Ed Oscuro]

In my opinion games like Halo 2 and GTA are for people with low attention spans or just the overriding desire to blow shit up. I know you can do missions and get real detailed into the game, but lets face it people play it to blow shit up.

I'll stick to my RPG/Adventure games that are fun to me every second I'm playing them.
Hooray for subjectivity! Yeah, those FPS gamers sure don't know what they're doing...it's not as if a good FPS can be fun every second they play it. Just think of all the backtracking you have to do in DOOM III to get armor...you NEVER have to do that sort of stuff in an RPG/Adventure game.

@ Buttasuperb: :smash:

That is all.

[buttasuperb]

@ Buttasuperb: :smash:

what? it's true.

i'm having fun in halo 2 online though. just not as much fun as i have with sf3 or hsf2. and in terms of fps, i have much more fun with ut2004. i just can't adapt to a controller for fps.

[zmweasel]

Logic doesn't dictate any such thing...as has been noted, XBox owners have a rather limited amount of choices, so it makes all sorts of sense that a much higher number of XBox owners are going to get Halo 2, whereas PlayStation 2 owners have more choices.

Halo 2 will probably be the best-selling game of 2004, thanks to its huge pre-order count, but I expect SA will sell more copies over its lifetime, especially if an Xbox version comes to pass. And as Ed says, Halo is the only Xbox-exclusive killer app, so it'll sell to a higher percentage of Xbox owners than SA will to PS2 owners.

-- Z.

[morphx]

See those first three words "In my opinion". To me FPS games are repetitive, yes in just about every game you have to backtrack and collect stuff. And hell I've replayed the same game 20 times and thats repetitive but remembering how to unlock this, or where exactly that was is what makes a game fun for me; not ok I have to go down this hall do a roll and a cartwheel to kill the zombie crack head space alien. But again this was all my opinion.

Edit: I'm bowing out of this, my only point is I hope Halo doesn't change the industry, its all smoke and mirrors and little substance.

[Canadian Psycho]

Logic doesn't dictate any such thing...as has been noted, XBox owners have a rather limited amount of choices, so it makes all sorts of sense that a much higher number of XBox owners are going to get Halo 2, whereas PlayStation 2 owners have more choices.

I'm not basing my comment on the fact that there are more PS2 owners than XBox owners alone, but also on the fact that GTA is selling like CRAZY as well. Sorry for not being clear enough, but I thought that was evident...

[LiquidX01]

Really? You name some games that have raised the bar in the gaming industry. Only from this year. I don't want to hear about some snes games or something like that.
Perhaps the answer this year could arguably be: Nothing HAS raised the bar. I don't see anything wrong with having the year's achievement be "better graphics," but from a gameplay standpoint LiquidX01 is certainly justified in saying that he feels GTA:SA hasn't changed much (I personally aren't expecting it to add much to the mix).

Took the words right out of my mouth.

Nothing in my opinion, has done anything differently that what hasnt been done before. Like I said, GTA is beyond repetative to the point I feel like Im playing the same old game, instead of some hot new release.

If I was to even give a thought and had to choose which game has "raised the bar" this year, I would say Halo 2 for the simple fact that enough things have changed in that game to make it feel like Im not playing the original Halo. Unlike GTA: SA, were I feel like Im playing the same repetative crap again like Vice City.

Neither of these games have done enough to raise the bar, But Halo 2 sure holds an advantage.

[Ed Oscuro]

I'm not basing my comment on the fact that there are more PS2 owners than XBox owners alone, but also on the fact that GTA is selling like CRAZY as well. Sorry for not being clear enough, but I thought that was evident...
Lots of things sell like crazy, and the PS2 just happens to have more of them. I'm gonna stand pat with my statement.

Zach actually exposed an unclear point in my reasoning...I certainly would argue that a higher percentage of XBox owners will get Halo 2 than PS2 owners will SA, but I believe (heh) I meant that Halo 2 would outsell SA in terms of sheer volume as well. Sure, that's a riskier (and less certain) proposition, and we'll have to see if that ends up being true. If there's an XBox version that will definitely change things.

For GTA:SA selling consistently for a longer period of time than H2, you've reasoned that the availability of other games in place of SA will mean that some people will delay a purchase of the game, right?