Lets Finally settle this, Is GC a kiddie system?

[MarioAllStar2600]

I don't think so, and im sick of people saying it is. ENOUGH ALREADY! So lets see if the majority is too cool for the cube. Im sure you all know where my vote went. ;)

[tritium]

I think Metroid is too complex for children, Resident Evil Zero wayy to scary, (hell I'm scared of it and I'm 24)....

I think its a well balanced system, I wish Sony would push some of their more cartoony franchises, ie: Crash/Spyro.

-Tritium

[Lone_Monster]

I think you worded the question wrong. Is the GameCube for kids? Of course it is. It's not JUST for kids, but it's for kids.

[Sniderman]

Is it a "kiddie" system? No. But Nintendo DOES have a more "kid-centric"/"kid-friendly" reputation, which lends itself to that perspective. Remember Mortal Kombat for SNES? No blood - it was "sweat." Remember the big brewhau over "Conker's Bad Fur Day?" The first game for a Nintendo system with (gasp) adult themes.

Anyway, GC may be more "adult," but Nintendo tries for YEARS to be more family-friendly across the board. So now, when they try to do something for older audiences, people naturally roll their eyes and say "Isn't Nintendo the company that brought us Kirby/Donkey Kong/Yoshi?"

[Lady Jaye]

What kind of question is that? Of course not. It's a question of perception, and maybe the GCN does have more than its share of games that are E-rated (which isn't a bad thing if you have young children), but there are also some great games that aren't for kids. Aside from the aforementioned Metroid Prime and the Resident Evils, there's also the great Eternal Darkness. Multiplatform-wise, I don't recall the Tony Hawk series ever getting an E rating on the console version (on the GBC/GBA version, yes, but not on the GameCube).

Oh well, then, if you can't play a game that may look cartoony at all, then give me your copies of Katamary Damacy, of Kingdom Hearts, of Jet Set Radio Future, of Viewtiful Joe... Know what I mean? It's not because neither the GTA series nor Halo have been released on the GCN that it makes the GameCube unsuitable for anyone over 10 years of age.

[slip81]

Definately not a kiddie system. It's just a system that appeals to all ages unlike the PS2 and Xbox that are mainly targeted to the 18-24 year olds. I really hate how just because a console has cartoony games it's automatically branded as "kiddie." GCN has plenty of adult games. Does it have more than the other systems? No. But I think the GCN has a nice mix of games for all ages.

[NE146]

Actually I think it's marketed just right toward my demographic... and I'm a 35 year old techy male professional with lots of spending cash. And let me tell you a lot of it goes to Nintendo :P

[MegaDrive20XX]

Nope....when you have all the Resident Evil games...
Eternal Darkness...
Metal Gear Solid....
Mortal Kombat DA...
Soul Calibur 2...
MK Deception..(soon)
Metroid Prime 1 and 2
Tales of Symphonia
Ikaruga
Baten Kaitos
Skies of Arcadia Legends
Star Wars Rogue Leader: Rogue Squadron II
Star Wars Rogue Squadron III: Rebel Strike
True Crime: Streets of LA
Lord of the Rings: Two Towers, Return of the King, and Third Age

Yet I know, many will say different...Cube is over flowing with kiddie titles....but that's just Nintendo..you gotta please everyone

[tritium]

They do better to keep my attention than M$ or $ony. I'm no fanboy (Except for dreamcast).... But I tend to spend more time playing on the gc, with the exception of using the ps2 as a dvd player.

My GF tends to agree with me... Can't wait till the next mario party.

I don't have a large GC collection b/c i'm concentrating on the Dreamcast, but I have

Mario Party 5, Crash Nitro Cart, Shrek 2, Resident Evil Zero, Soul Calibur 2.

I have owned but sold/traded Viewtiful Joe, Mario Sunshine, Ikaruga,
Enter the Matrix, ... probably more... All new.

-Tritium

[Half Japanese]

When you stack its' library beside that of the ps2 and Xbox, it's definitely the one most suitable for young children, from not only the higher ratio of E rated games to the kid-friendly disc size. That said, it does have its fair share of mature games as well, but it's still the most kid-friendly approach of the 3 currently competing consoles.

As a side point, the older demographic generally goes ps2 or Xbox, and they're by and large the ones with the money to spend on game consoles. That's probably why the GCN is in 3rd place (I'm talking America, fanboys with a national scope need not reply).

[Simply Dave]

I like to think of the Cube as a great family system, as in that it has a little something for everyone to enjoy. :)

[SegaAges]

nintendo has many good mature games.

if i remember correctly, true crime came out for cube. i don't remember if hitman 2 came out for it, but i thought it did.

sure it doesn't have gta, but it took forever for xbox to get it and gta has been out on the gb before

[tritium]

Hmm another interesting view... I see more non-gaming males own XBox's, families and kids owning cubes, most everyone else PS2s.

Sometimes both. I find the cube to be more a "group" oriented system, has great multiplayer games.

-Tritium

[EnemyZero]

GC is a system geared toward everyone, its just more kid-friendly than all the others, honestly i would take a night of pizza and mario party over gta or halo any day

[davidleeroth]

GC is the system for big kiddies like me.

[josekortez]

Mature games do not a good system make. Remember BMX XXX.

Nuff said.

[Habeeb Hamusta]

Why do people always try to prove that Nintendo doesn't make "kiddie" games or systems. Of course they do...and they are hella FUN! The fact that it appeals to kids is a good thing in my opinion. I mean, what would the kids play if not for Nintendo? The fact is they make great games that are fun for all ages.

[BigGeorgeJohnson]

I think it's definately more kid friendly, but not for kids only.

[tholly]

I voted Yes, but I don't feel like getting in my reasons right now.

[charitycasegreg]

Hmm, well most of my freinds have ps2, some of them have an x box,some have both. But I know barely anybody with a cube, mybe about 3 people, while I know at least 20 with a ps2, and at least 15 with an xbox. I just think that it is a system that is more to be for kids then the other 2 systems. But either way, many grown-ups have them too so its made for everyone. Neo-geo, thats a kiddie system.

[Emily]

The majority of the games arent kiddie, so what if Nintendo Titles (some of them) have a cartoon look to them. Dont judge a bbok by its cover! Mario games are challanging...or mabey i just suck

[NE146]

Exactly. Mario IS challenging!

Aside from the obvious preschool games for 3-8 year olds, what the heck is a "mature" game vs. kiddy game anyway? It has tits and puss? It has blood and gore? More realism? Why is that more mature? Quite honestly at this point sexy chicks in a videogame pretty much ONLY appeal to kiddies, and so does fascination with violence. If anything, those are all primarily kiddy aspects of games. i.e. Those are exactly the things that appeal to a 13-15 year old (which in my book is still 100% a kid). You aren't going to find very many 40 year old men intrigued greatly by the DOA volleyball characters aside from an initial lookover approval and chuckle. :P

Is baseball a mature game. Is Chess a mature game. Is Keno mature. Who knows. I play games so the question is is it fun and and challenging. The last thing I give a flying shit about is if it's "mature" or not. (only kiddies notice that) LOL It can have spread pussy, lesbian chicks, or Barney the dinosaur and Pikachu. You get past that. Point is I wanna play a fun game. And Nintendo does have them :)

The question is.. if Mario was replaced by naked Laura Croft graphics would it make a difference? :hmm:

[digitalpress]

You know, I usually agree with NE146. THIS time, I couldn't agree MORE.

See above for details :)

[evilmess]

I think Nintendo is the only company of the 3 major console manufacturers to market it's console to children as well as adults. Clearly M$ isn't targeting the kids market and $ony, while they have games aimed at the youth market, seems more focused on marketing to teens and young adults.

I think Ninty has it right, I've seen my own children grow up with Nintendo and remain Nintendo faithful. As they mature and their gaming tastes mature they tend to play more Xbox and P$2 console games BUT they still talk very highly of their past Nintendo (N64 and Mario) gaming experiences and still play new and old Ninty titles on their GBA/SP's.

[neuropolitique]

Exactly. Mario IS challenging!

Aside from the obvious preschool games for 3-8 year olds, what the heck is a "mature" game vs. kiddy game anyway? It has tits and puss? It has blood and gore? More realism? Why is that more mature? Quite honestly at this point sexy chicks in a videogame pretty much ONLY appeal to kiddies, and so does fascination with violence. If anything, those are all primarily kiddy aspects of games. i.e. Those are exactly the things that appeal to a 13-15 year old (which in my book is still 100% a kid). You aren't going to find very many 40 year old men intrigued greatly by the DOA volleyball characters aside from an initial lookover approval and chuckle. :P

Is baseball a mature game. Is Chess a mature game. Is Keno mature. Who knows. I play games so the question is is it fun and and challenging. The last thing I give a flying shit about is if it's "mature" or not. (only kiddies notice that) LOL It can have spread pussy, lesbian chicks, or Barney the dinosaur and Pikachu. You get past that. Point is I wanna play a fun game. And Nintendo does have them :)

The question is.. if Mario was replaced by naked Laura Croft graphics would it make a difference? :hmm:

word.

Who cares if a system has more games geared towards kids than another? Honestly, I think all three systems are lacking. I find myself playing more and more classics as this generation drags on.

[NintendoMan]

Anyway, GC may be more "adult," but Nintendo tries for YEARS to be more family-friendly across the board. So now, when they try to do something for older audiences, people naturally roll their eyes and say "Isn't Nintendo the company that brought us Kirby/Donkey Kong/Yoshi?"

So how would you suggest to Nintendo if they asked how they should bring their "older audience" type stuff to the market?? If people just roll their eyes?


Now, my answer to the post is that if anyone on here thinks that the GC is a system made for kids are very narrow minded. Yes, they do release more stuff for younger audiences, but the system is NOT JUST MADE FOR KIDS.

I just want to kick a couple of my friend's ass when they might call me and ask what I am doing, I reply"I am playing Gamecube right now". They then say that system is for kids. I want to jump through the phone, because when they say that, they mean it.
But I could really give a shit, because they are not into videogames like I am, and they only think PS2 is the way to go. ONLY PS2. DUMBASS'S!!

[NintendoMan]

The last thing I give a flying shit about is if it's "mature" or not. (only kiddies notice that) LOL It can have spread pussy, lesbian chicks, or Barney the dinosaur and Pikachu.

LOL LOL LOL
Ah man, that's funny!

I do need to know why no one else is admitting that they believe that the Gamecube is a kiddie system. Tholly is the only one to admit so far, yet there is 20 people that said "YES" to this poll.
I need to know the idiots reasons for picking "YES" to this poll.

[Psycho Mantis]

Gamecube has a good balance between kids games and mature games.
For kids, there are plenty of of fun and great games that are suitable for kids.
For older gamers, there are some great games like metroid Prime that have a more mature style to them.Gamecube isn't kiddie, but it's got great games for kids and older people.now it's time for me to go play some metroid prime because it's awesome. :)

[Jasoco]

Anyone For Sex? I am, but I don't need it to be in my games. I have more than enough fun with my Mario, Animal Crossing, Sonic Collection, Pikmin, etc than I ever have with GTA.. or even Halo. Yeah, Halo's fun and all, but I always find myself coming back to Nintendo.

[Ed Oscuro]

I think you worded the question wrong. Is the GameCube for kids? Of course it is. It's not JUST for kids, but it's for kids.
Agreed.

No way the GC is "adult." Well, alright, it's got that 2000s design chic about it, and it's got some "adult" games. That's more than the N64, sure, but I say these are just tokens, not a concerted effort to appeal to the "ADULT" population.

Kiddie really is the wrong word - perhaps nostalgic? That doesn't really work, either...

Whatever the case is, the GC isn't vying too strongly with the other consoles for the teenage demographic, and I LIKE it that way.

[NintendoMan]

Whatever the case is, the GC isn't vying too strongly with the other consoles for the teenage demographic, and I LIKE it that way.

I like it that way too. BUT, unfortunately don't know how much longer Nintendo can go on without different games.

I mean I am just saying that with me being on other people's shoes that don't give the GC even a chance.
I am 100%, PERFECTLY happy with what games are being made now for it. Just as long as the GC always gets the BOND games. That's the only 3rd party games I don't know if I could live without. (I do want a NEW MARIO Platformer now though)

[squirrelnut]

Exactly. Mario IS challenging!

Aside from the obvious preschool games for 3-8 year olds, what the heck is a "mature" game vs. kiddy game anyway? It has tits and puss? It has blood and gore? More realism? Why is that more mature? Quite honestly at this point sexy chicks in a videogame pretty much ONLY appeal to kiddies, and so does fascination with violence. If anything, those are all primarily kiddy aspects of games. i.e. Those are exactly the things that appeal to a 13-15 year old (which in my book is still 100% a kid). You aren't going to find very many 40 year old men intrigued greatly by the DOA volleyball characters aside from an initial lookover approval and chuckle. :P

Is baseball a mature game. Is Chess a mature game. Is Keno mature. Who knows. I play games so the question is is it fun and and challenging. The last thing I give a flying shit about is if it's "mature" or not. (only kiddies notice that) LOL It can have spread pussy, lesbian chicks, or Barney the dinosaur and Pikachu. You get past that. Point is I wanna play a fun game. And Nintendo does have them :)

The question is.. if Mario was replaced by naked Laura Croft graphics would it make a difference? :hmm:


Yes it would make a difference... people would actually say they enjoyed playing Super Mario Sunshine instead of trying to be kewl and bashing it on forums. I don't have a GC yet but from what I can tell there's this

PS2 is the complete mainstream console. It can't do no evil. It is the perfect system. Ignore all the dead systems and disk read errors and ratio of shitty games to good games. I mean hell it comes with a DVD PLAYER! Even though you can buy a dvd player for 49.95 on a bad day at k-mart :roll:


XBOX the poor mans computer... end of story. People mod the console with a bigger hdd faster processor... sound familiar?


GameCube the system built by a GAMING company for GAMERS. To me this is the only current gen system I can ever think of wanting. It only has its kiddie reputation for offering something other then tits all over my face.

I have a girlfriend.
I have a gaming collection.
I don't want to feel like I'm cheating on her whenever I play a video game.

Hell with half of these games comming up why not a game called "Incredibly fake naked girls bouncing around for no apparent reason"?

[Ed Oscuro]

Just so you know, Squirrelnut, not much of what you just wrote makes any sense.

[Half Japanese]

Hell with half of these games comming up why not a game called "Incredibly fake naked girls bouncing around for no apparent reason"?

I think they already did. Wasn't that the subtitle for DOA:XBV?



I have no qualms about owning a Gamecube. Many of the games I own for it and enjoy are rated E (Wave Race: Blue Storm, 1080 Avalanche, etc.). What I do loathe are those that hold anyone with a different opinion an "idiot" who in their mind can bring nothing to the table but "hate" for the "last true gaming company." Please. I listed a few reasons above. Like NE146 so eloquently put it, kiddie or not, it's all about how much fun you have. I'm sure there are kids that could have tons of fun with a game like Riddick or GTA: San Andreas, but would you want them to? All I'm saying is that the games are more appealing to a wider audience (age-wise), and thus it's more kid friendly, which can be (mis?)interpreted as "a kiddie system."

I ask a question of those with an unyielding devotion to Nintendo:

Do you hate me when parents come into my store looking for a game system and ask which one is more appropriate for their young children and I recommend a Gamecube?


I think a few of your heads just exploded.

[jdc]

Is the Cube a kiddie system? YES!!!......

.....and a teenaged system, a twenty-something system, a middle-aged system and a seniors system too.

Seriously though, we had to put up with enough of this banter with the N64. I for one, am glad that Nintendo puts out lighter software. (I'm 45 years old) I don't want to play heavy games 24/7. This is why I stopped playing my XboX. I was a huge fan of the system right from launch day but there soon ended up being no real variety apart from a heavy selection of FPS/TPS and racers. PS2 is at least a little better. They've got some good "kiddie games" to add breadth to their library.

Let's just call the Cube a durable system with a mid-sized library that contains a bit of this and a bit of that. Sometimes I think that the other consoles would do well to take a page out of Nintendo's book.

[Zubiac666]

what "jdc" says

Cube has the perfect mixture in games.
There are games for everyone.

I will say this now and I will continue saying this:
"E"-rated>"M"-rated

[Berserker]

Like someone else here, the wording threw me off a bit. "Is Gamecube for Kids?" Well, given only that question, I had to vote "Yes". Because really, Gamecube IS for kids. But, it's also for adults as well. So, even though I essentially agree with you, MAS, you put it in such a way that I'm sure the results of this poll are going to end up skewed.

What you should've asked is this:

Is Gamecube JUST for kids?

[thegreatescape]

What you should've asked is this:

Is Gamecube JUST for kids?

Gah, thats an equally terrible question for a poll simply because the instant someone says yes they will have Metroid Prime rammed down their throat :/

Perhaps: Are Nintendo targetting the main demographics (kiddie, teen, rest) equally ?

/waits for someone to rant about the "rest" demo

[jdc]

I rather like Shigeru Miyamoto's interviews and approaches to game making. His main goal is always fun and escapism....and arent those the greatest reasons to PLAY video games?

Nintendo does a great job of reaching out across all demographics. Sony has been edging closer to this way of thinking on their PS2. Not only does the PS2 have plenty of FPS, TPS, sports, Xtreme, survival horror and RPGs in it's library....but it has also been increasing it's amount of first rate platformers......just like Nintendo has always done.

[atomicthumbs]

I see A LOT of gamers on a regular basis (almost every day at work), and I hear a lot of negative GameCube comments. It seems to me that anyone who refers to the GameCube (or back when this was about the N64) as a kiddie system in a "derogatory" way is only concerend about one thing. Keeping up some "tough" sorta appearance (usually teenagers) and therefore robbing themselves of some seriously fantastic gameplay.

I mean... It's not like playing Richard Scarry on PICO in your prom limo.

[NeoVenom]

I don't think it'z a kiddie system. My idea of a "system" that looks kiddie is Leapfrog. Just because a system is friendly to all ages, doesn't mean it'z kiddie. Look at Super Mario Sunshine, you know how hard that game is? Especially if you going for 100%. The people who do say that Gamecube is a kiddie system, do you all own a Gamecube?

[atomicthumbs]

I don't think it'z a kiddie system. My idea of a "system" that looks kiddie is Leapfrog.

As the kids nowadays say... "true dat". On the topic, and at the expense of sounding like a pussy, has anyone tried the V-Smile Spider-Man yet? No, I don't own one. I'm just, well, I'm just curious. ALRIGHT! GET OFF MY BACK!!!

[Mad Chemist]

Nintendo does a great job of reaching out across all demographics. Sony has been edging closer to this way of thinking on their PS2. Not only does the PS2 have plenty of FPS, TPS, sports, Xtreme, survival horror and RPGs in it's library....but it has also been increasing it's amount of first rate platformers......just like Nintendo has always done.

I think the best thing someone should do to convince people that the Cube is worth the purchase is to just take that list of categories you have up there that the PS2 has plenty of and just rattle off a list of games for the Cube in those categories.

It might not be that peoplle thiink the Cube is for kids only. It might be closer to the mark that people think the Cube doesn't have a good selection of games period. It'd also help to point out games that aren't also on the PS2 or Xbox, since unless you're a rabid collector, you're not likely to buy another system for games you already have.

It is probably just EASIER to say the Cube is a "kiddy" system. :)

[Hep038]

The people who do say that Gamecube is a kiddie system, do you all own a Gamecube?

Well squirrelnut Says GC is a Gamming system made by GAMERS!!! Yet he admits he does not own one.

I am one of the idiots that answered yes to the poll. Why? Because of the three systems out there it is the one I would most likely called geared towards kids. Does that mean I think it is a lesser system? Not at all. To tell the truth I really like the term Family system. For Xmas I am thinking about getting my nephew a GC. He is 6 going on 7. Now I would never get him a Xbox or a PS2 at this age. I have all three systems and they get equal play. They all have their niche, and even thought I will be called a idiot, the gamecube Niche is the younger crowd. And those are the games I buy for it. Animal crossing, Mario party, Zelda. If my nephew was 13 or older I would ask him what system he wanted.

[NeoVenom]

The thing I wanna point out is that just because Gamecube has games rated "E" doesn't necessary means that only kids play those games. "E" stands for everyone. If the ratings were 'EC" then I understand cuz no adults will play those games. I rather have a system which everyone can play instead of a system that only some people can play. I think it'z very smart to aim for all ages because there's games suitable for all ages.

[mezrabad]

I don't think I know the correct way to ask the question that this poll is attempting to communicate. I remember reading an interview with someone from the Max Payne team and they had the stupidity to criticize Myamoto for the style his games promote, as if 'ol Shigeru was doing the entire industry a disservice by making games that were great, but weren't "mature".

I think labeling a game as "mature" is just a way to attract gamers who want to feel "grown up" when they blow things up or look at polygons shaped like breasts. I think it is a very old marketing trick - - say your product is strictly for an exclusive audience and people who aren't part of that exclusive audience will MAKE themselves a part of it by purchasing that product. "If product X is for group Y then I must be a member of group Y because I own product X."

An example would be "PC Gamer" which claims their target audience is the "twenty somethings" but they write as if they were speaking to high school freshman and sophmores. Just an example.

Anyway, people who look at something like "Super Monkey Ball" and say "this game is for children" are missing the point entirely. They're like the people who can't enjoy "Harry Potter" because it's "for kids" or "SpongeBob" because it's "for kids." (although watching SpongeBob without my kids around is pretty lonely.) Just because kids can enjoy it, doesn't mean it isn't enjoyable at other ages. E CAN be for everyone.

Still there needs to be a better way to ask this question.

[squirrelnut]

The people who do say that Gamecube is a kiddie system, do you all own a Gamecube?

Well squirrelnut Says GC is a Gamming system made by GAMERS!!! Yet he admits he does not own one.

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Just in defense. I said it is made by a gaming company for the gamers. And also I don't have the scratch to buy one (focusing more on nes/snes right now)

[grayrobertos]

Maybe its different in The US but here in the UK my takes a bit different.
To me its all about marketing, it really is. I find that most Kids and young gamers have a ps2 and there fav game is GTA nad shooting games. The fact of the matter is with a little advertising and some people getting killed younger gamers think they are "cooler" and will buy ps2 games.

Another reason is as the ps2 is best advertised kids mums and dads by it as a present. Once the kid has it, they will do everything to defend there system through everything.

However the thing is most young kids who have GBAs don't know enuff about the cube to ask for one for christmas or the funds to buy one themselves.

I dunno wer all this kiddy stuff come from u know, nintendo games have allways been that way from the start, its not like a new set of values is it really? People defending xbox and ps2 saw it as kiddy labled it and it just stuck in the media.

My opinion is that most late teens or 19+ into the gaming scene do have a cube, and a ps2 as theyve looked into what games are available and have the funds to buy both, So have made the choice to play all the top games of this generation u need more than one console.

Currently im trying to enjoy the best of this generation the cheapest way using a pc and a cube. I aint missed that much yet......

[NeoVenom]

It'z interesting how the majority of people who voted "Yes" have not posting their reasons why they voted yes. Reading thru this thread, I'm come across like 2....well 1 person who explained why they voted yes. Maybe it'z because the others don't have good enough reasons. LOL