Why is everyone saying that the DS will only have re-makes.. [Archive]

jonjandran

11-23-2004, 10:11 AM

Ok , I really don't understand this. And if it's been addressed anywhere else , please direct me there.

I have seen a lot of people post that they won't be getting a DS , because it's just going to have a bunch of N64 re-makes.

Ummm isn't that what all portables had ?

Gameboy : Remakes of NES games

Lynx : Remakes of Jaguar games

GameGear : Remakes of Sega Master System and Genesis games.

GBA : Remakes of Snes games.

PSP : Remakes of Playstation and PS2 games.

Isn't that what handhelds are for. So you can finally play some of the newer games with better graphics and gameplay, on the road.

Just wondering because it didn't make sense to me.

goatdan

11-23-2004, 10:46 AM

Lynx : Remakes of Jaguar games

Actually, the Lynx came out before the Jaguar, and sort of had a mix of remakes of 7800 games (Scrapyard Dog, Food Fight), arcade games (Joust, Robotron, etc) and a few "modern" ports of games.

Regardless, you have a good point. Perhaps it is because of the limatations of handheld consoles that no one really thought about this before -- but I definitely played versions of Donkey Kong Country and Super Mairo Brothers on my Game Boy. The limitations foced the designers to make changes to those games that were pretty major though.

I think Mario 64 DS is getting a lot of grief because without pretty much any limitations, the changes that were made to the core gameplay are viewed as mostly minor differences, while when Tony Hawk went portable, they had to make the entire game Isometric.

le geek

11-23-2004, 10:47 AM

I haven't heard that. I like playing new games (or at least new entries in franchises, like say Metroid Fusion). If anything I think PSP is going to be mostly remakes in the beginning. I can see people thinking that the DS may have too many N64 remakes as Nintendo has been milking their IPs with the NES Classic series and Super Mario Advance #: Game we hope you forgot!

I wouldn't mind a Beetle Adventure Racing port though... :)

Ben

P.S. the Atari Lynx came out before the Jag and its library was for the most part a mix of original games and Atari arcade game ports...

gamegirl79

11-23-2004, 10:48 AM

My guess is that people are saying this because:

1) The DS had a remake of an N64 game for a launch title (Mario 64), and other remakes are in the works (Animal Crossing, Wario Ware)

2) Nintendo has really been all about the remakes lately. The Classic NES series, Donkey Kong Country for the GBA, etc.

Personally this doesn't bother me because like you said, handheld systems have historically been full of remakes anyhow. I think people are just ready for something new and innovative that will really show what the DS can be capable of (and Feel the Magic XY/XX is a great start).

Ed Oscuro

11-23-2004, 11:10 AM

People are saying the DS will have remakes...because Nintendo put Mario 64x4 at the top of the lineup (it's apparently the best game on the system so far). Their fault, not the consumer's. Is it somewhat ignorant to say that? Yes, of course! However, in an age where sound bites are everything, Nintendo can't count on legions of Nintendo fans to clue in everybody on the streets...it just doesn't work.

What I just said of course has already been covered...but eh :p

Kamino

11-23-2004, 11:13 AM

I complain about remakes because I DO NOT BUY HANDHELDS TO PLAY REMAKES ON THE GO.
I buy them because there ARE some original games not available on consoles. I want more of those, and less of this rehash shit. although, I could entirely do without the handhelds if they only did re releases...i'd just buy the console versions. ;)

And as for mario 64 DS...poor choice...I will still say it's the WORST MARIO GAME EVER. I would seriously rather play mario is missng. I HAVE logged more hours on Mario Is Missing! :puke:

thetoxicone

11-23-2004, 12:24 PM

My guess is that people are saying this because:

1) The DS had a remake of an N64 game for a launch title (Mario 64), and other remakes are in the works (Animal Crossing, Wario Ware)

I wouldn't really call the wario ware ds game a remake

Gemini-Phoenix

11-23-2004, 02:30 PM

People are saying that because that's virtually all the GBA has had. How many games were released for the GBA which haven't either been remakes (Metroid Zero Mission Etc), straight ports (From NES, SNES, Mega Drive), or simply based on NES / Snes game engines (Kirby)?

Not many. Golden Sun stands out from the crowd as being one of the better games.

It is technically a 32 Bit system, but all we ever get s 8 Bit and 16 Bit games...

Now how long will it be before Nintendo decide to keep porting N64 games to the DS? They've already started with Mario 64 x 4... I don't think it'll be long before we see Ocarina Of Time on there, or Goldeneye...

Mind you, they are limited to the button configuration, so N64 ports may also be limited... However, I see there are a load of PlayStation ports being planned like Vandal Hearts Etc...

Daria

11-23-2004, 02:55 PM

They way I see it in the PSP will be getting direct ports.

The DS however, due to the nature of the gameplay can't have direct ports. The gameplay's bound to be fundamentally different then anything you'd play on the n64.

That makes the game seem different and new, because you're being forced to play it differently, despite the graphics or levels appearing to be the same.

I've probably explained that badly, but to me it's the same thing as having to completely reinvent Tony Hawk's gameplay on the GBA to fit the 2D isometic graphics.

Personally I think the criticism's being directed at the wrong handheld. The PSP is shaping up to be the port whore. The DS is merely reinventing old games.

Algol

11-23-2004, 07:38 PM

For whatever reason, Nintendo has gotten away with putting ports and little else on the GBA for three years now. Not only is it a huge waste putting 15 or 20 year old games on a supposedly 32 bit handheld, but its also insulting to all those who helped Nintendo get where they are today. How many games actually took advantage of the GBA's power, anyway?

Don't misunderstand me. I don't hate Nintendo, and I would really like to see the DS succeed. Its just that they've hardly done anything to push the GBA,(they releleased Excitebike twice!) and I'm afraid the DS library will end up being a bunch of ports, but with TWO SCREENS!!!

zmweasel

11-23-2004, 07:50 PM

They way I see it in the PSP will be getting direct ports.

The DS however, due to the nature of the gameplay can't have direct ports. The gameplay's bound to be fundamentally different then anything you'd play on the n64.

Not necessarily. Super Mario 64 DS is a souped-up port of an N64 game with tacked-on touch-screen support. It's not fundamentally different from the eight-year-old original by any means. The Urbz is a GBA port with tacked-on touch-screen support. It's not fundamentally different from the GBA version by any means.

DS ports will be more dismaying than PSP ports because their support of the DS's unique features will be so obviously half-assed.

-- Z.

Overbite

11-23-2004, 09:50 PM

i bought my GBA for the original games (castlevania, advance wars, megaman battle network, ect) and i dont plan on buying a ds until i see some original games that use the system in a new way.

as for the psp, I dont see any ports except for gran turismo, ape escape, and maybe the darkstalkers game.

It does have sequels though, like armored core, metal gear, wipeout, and a new tales game (SYSTEM SELLERS THOSE 4 ARE BTW! maybe not metal gear. cards=bad)

XxMe2NiKxX

11-23-2004, 10:37 PM

I read somewhere in this thread that ACDS is a remake. That is NOT true. Look at some of the vids.

Push Upstairs

11-23-2004, 11:46 PM

Gameboy : Remakes of NES games

I'd argue this point.

Super Mario Land, Super Mario Land 2, Metroid 2, & Legend of Zelda: Links Awakening would also like to argue on my behalf as well.

All of these games were *NEW* adventures and no just NES games crammed into a two color portable.

Hell, even the GB Mega Man games were a mix of two games and had different levels from the NES counterparts.

Daria

11-24-2004, 12:03 AM

zmweasel

11-24-2004, 12:20 AM

Super Mario 64 DS is a souped-up port of an N64 game with tacked-on touch-screen support. It's not fundamentally different from the eight-year-old original by any means.

Except Mario 64 has a shit load of new levels and multiplayer support.

It's at least different.

The multiplayer mode is a no-depth throwaway, tacked on to justify the existence of the DS's wi-fi, just as the no-depth mini-games were tacked on to justify the existence of the DS's touch-screen.

None of the new levels is quite up to the standard of the original design; they have a tacked-on feel, as well. I haven't researched to determine if the N64 version's level designers also worked on the DS version, but I suspect they didn't.

-- Z.

soniko_karuto

11-24-2004, 01:13 AM

I read somewhere in this thread that ACDS is a remake. That is NOT true. Look at some of the vids.

omg, like, w00t! the sims!!

shit i had too. Just take the sims for example. Always the same thing, they just add an option of 'genes' and boom, sims 2, with better graphics. At least in this one you can control your own character.

Also the wireless compatibility seems cool, just think about how ACDS will handle it when someone comes to town.

Jasoco

11-24-2004, 01:33 AM

If it's remakes of games I love so much, I welcome them with open arms. Especially the case of Mario 64 DS. What Daria said, it's so chock full of changes, not owning it would be a crime. (If you loved the original.) I'm up to 105 stars already and I beat Bowser.

If there's one game that would make me jump for joy (For lack of a better phrase than Cream my pants) it's TOP GEAR RALLY! The ORIGINAL N64 version complete with car damage and customization. I would kjust DIE if it came out. Back then, it was the only Racing game I could play (That didn't have Kart attached) because of the weather effects. Please, bring this one out!

I'd also kill for a Need for Speed: Hot Pursuit game. NO GOD DAMN UNDERGROUND BULLSHIT! Thank you. Even a port of the original PSX/PC version.

brandver3

11-24-2004, 10:15 AM

I have so many....SO....MANY.....GBA games that ARE NOT ports of anything that I can't figure out why everyone thinks all GBA games are snes ports. It makes no sense unless your blind or stupid.

Go to EB, stare at the GBA rack, and count how many games are ports. Guess what, you likly won't get past 20. And since there are over 200 GBA games, thats not alot.

TheRedEye

11-24-2004, 08:51 PM

brandver3

11-25-2004, 10:12 AM

I never said the 180 other game were any good.... But they arn't remakes, thats my point.

I think the reason most of us gamer types only see the remakes is because most GBA titles we don't care about. Handhelds are still mainly a youth market, so crap like Digimon racing and that Sumo game we don't register cause we don't care.