3D games and portable systems = bad idea?

[Anthony1]

With the advent of the Nintendo DS, we are now entering the era of 3D next generation type games on tiny little screens.

I went to a GameCrazy yesturday and had a chance to play with the DS for awhile, and I can tell you that I'm not really sure if 3D games on such a small screen is a very good idea.


With the Game Boy Advance, basically, the majority of stuff is 2D, and I just think that 2D works way better when you are dealing with a very small screen.

I'm talking about screens 3 inches or smaller. When you get to the point of a 5 inch screen, like the ones that can snap onto the different consoles, then it's much more doable, but when you are talking about the really small screens, I just don't think it works that well.


I don't know, maybe it's just me. But it seemed weird playing a 3D game on such a small screen.

I can't remember how big the screen is on the PSP, I think it's a little bit bigger than the DS screen right? So maybe with the PSP it won't be as bad, but I can say that my first reaction to the DS is that 3D on a tiny screen equals headaches and migraines.

[klausien]

Playing Metroid in the store is not a good example since it is such a dark game. Fluorescent lights are hell on the visibility of the screens. It looks much better under incandescent light or, even better, in the dark.

I will agree with you that 3D on a handheld is kind of tough to see though. You can almost call it unnecessary considering that the illusion of 3D space is somewhat lost by being on such a small screen.

I also feel some sorrow knowing that the last bastion of 2D goodness, the handheld, has jumped on the 3D gravy train. The DS is a cool piece of hardware though. The touch screen works better as a gaming device when you use the thumb pad found on the wrist strap. Metroid is awesome that way.

[Sebastian]

well for me 2d or 3d makes no difference

what matters is if the game is fast paced

I can't play any action games on a handheld...no matter if it is 2d or 3d

i only use my handheld for RPGs and Strategy Games...or any other games that do not require fast paced stuff.

I dono about u guys...but i tend to shake my controllera bit when i play Tekken, Mario Bros, or Need For Speed...i don't hold it perfectly still - and when my screen is attached to my hands (aka handheld) ...I just can't see anymore cuz the screen is also shaking. So THANK GOD for FIRE EMBLEM!

Anyone else has same problems?

[Querjek]

3D games definitely work on portable systems... I'm going to guess that you haven' had a chance to try anything other than Metroid on the DS? That demo is a bad demostration of what the DS can do. Try something like Mario 64 or Feel the Magic--they both showcase the goodness of true 3D on a handheld.

[Emily]

There will be 2D games on the DS, just wait and see. Ill be buying mostly 2D titles in the future.

[downfall]

I also feel some sorrow knowing that the last bastion of 2D goodness, the handheld, has jumped on the 3D gravy train.

There are quite a few 2D titles planned for the DS (maybe even around half of them). Let us also not forget that there are talks of a GBA 2 (or whatever it's called) here in a few years - Though 2D gaming may be on the endangered species list, I really don't believe that it will ever completely die off unless we end up with some kind of virtual reality 3D crazyfest in our houses.

[junglehunter]

The screen isn't too bad, IMO. Maybe you've been taking things for granted after you got that huge projector screen... LOL

[ianoid]

I agree. I think that this idea of small screen/3D should be rethunk.

The screen for all Game Boys is just too small for me given their resolution. When you throw in 3D, it's like running around a room looking through a periscope.

I think (uh oh, am I getting to that other message board?) that PSP has the right idea- larger screen. I'm really looking forward to that.

[zmweasel]

I went to a GameCrazy yesturday and had a chance to play with the DS for awhile, and I can tell you that I'm not really sure if 3D games on such a small screen is a very good idea.

You're not alone in your opinion. The best online review of Super Mario 64 DS, at 1up.com (http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3136792&did=1), touches upon this problem:

"I also found myself suffering a bit of eyestrain with Mario 64 DS. Even though the screen is brighter and crisper than that of the GBA SP, I found playing the game for more than half an hour at a time gave me a headache, regardless of lighting conditions. I'm worried that this is a sign that the DS's screens are slightly too small to facilitate 3D games of this variety, and it's likely that once the PSP arrives with its huge, beautiful screen Nintendo's new system is only going to seem worse in comparison."


I can't remember how big the screen is on the PSP, I think it's a little bit bigger than the DS screen right? So maybe with the PSP it won't be as bad, but I can say that my first reaction to the DS is that 3D on a tiny screen equals headaches and migraines.

The PSP's screen is almost as big as *both* DS screens. 16:9, 4.3 inches diagonal, 480x272 pixels. One developer stated, in an interview, that he wanted to "rub [his] balls on it," which I assume is a compliment.

-- Z.

[zmweasel]

3D games definitely work on portable systems... I'm going to guess that you haven' had a chance to try anything other than Metroid on the DS? That demo is a bad demostration of what the DS can do. Try something like Mario 64 or Feel the Magic--they both showcase the goodness of true 3D on a handheld.

Why do you say Metroid is a "bad" DS demo? Nintendo itself would disagree with you.

-- Z.

[Lost Monkey]

I wonder if motion sickness will be more prevalent with handheld 3D games vs console..

I can play Doom all day on a TV or PC monitor but just a few minutes on the GBA and I'll puke..

And I am not one to be afflicted with motion sickness normally.. the only console game that has ever affected me is Katamari Damacy.

[EricRyan34]

i agree, portables should stick to 2D graphics.

[Anthony1]

The screen isn't too bad, IMO. Maybe you've been taking things for granted after you got that huge projector screen... LOL



You know what? I knew that somebody was going to mention my huge 113 inch screen!!

Thats funny!


But seriously, yes, I do like large screens. I've never really gotten into portables that much, and alot of it has to do with screen size, but I really do believe that 3D games on such a small screen really is somewhat of a problem.

Maybe it effects some people more than others, but to me it just seemed like maybe this isn't a marriage made in Heaven after all. I have played 3D games on those 5 inch or whatever size screens they make for the PS1 and GameCube, and I didn't notice it to be a problem on those screens, so I really think it does have to do with the fact that a 3 inch screen is considerable smaller in terms of viewable real estate.

I'm probably going to get a DS anyways, but not to play DS games. I will be getting one to play 2D GBA games on a much better screen. Also to play my emulators as well.

Certainly, I'm definitely looking forward to the PSP. But who knows when it will actually go on sale. It could be awhile. But definitely my dream is to play SNES games at full speed with some type of emulator on the PSP.

[Promophile]

3D games definitely work on portable systems... I'm going to guess that you haven' had a chance to try anything other than Metroid on the DS? That demo is a bad demostration of what the DS can do. Try something like Mario 64 or Feel the Magic--they both showcase the goodness of true 3D on a handheld.

Why do you say Metroid is a "bad" DS demo? Nintendo itself would disagree with you.

-- Z.

I donno I played the demo in store and it was TOTALLY HORRIBLE. It could be because there was something wrong with the demo DS or something, but the screen was as dark as the GBA (non sp).

[Jasoco]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have no problems with Mario 64 on my DS. After a minute, I actually can;t tell it's on a handheld I'm so into it. I look forward to more 3D games on it. Maybe that's just me. :)

[Great Hierophant]

Be thankful that Nintendo is using such a small screen. Anything larger and their low-res 3-D would look like utter crap.

[zmweasel]

I donno I played the demo in store and it was TOTALLY HORRIBLE. It could be because there was something wrong with the demo DS or something, but the screen was as dark as the GBA (non sp).

Did you check to see if the backlight had been turned off? Sounds like a distinct possibility.

-- Z.

[zmweasel]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have no problems with Mario 64 on my DS. After a minute, I actually can;t tell it's on a handheld I'm so into it. I look forward to more 3D games on it. Maybe that's just me. :)

How old are you? I would expect old bastards like me to have more issues with the DS screen than young'uns. (1-up.com's reviewer is 29, which is ancient by game-journo standards.)

-- Z.

[Drexel923]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have no problems with Mario 64 on my DS. After a minute, I actually can;t tell it's on a handheld I'm so into it. I look forward to more 3D games on it. Maybe that's just me. :)

How old are you? I would expect old bastards like me to have more issues with the DS screen than young'uns. (1-up.com's reviewer is 29, which is ancient by game-journo standards.)

-- Z.

Personally, I've played the game for hours and haven't had a problem. (I'm 23 by the way, is that old enough?)

[NintendoMan]

3D games definitely work on portable systems... I'm going to guess that you haven' had a chance to try anything other than Metroid on the DS? That demo is a bad demostration of what the DS can do. Try something like Mario 64 or Feel the Magic--they both showcase the goodness of true 3D on a handheld.

YEP!!!

I too thought before every playing a DS about the screen size might be a problem. But after playing games like Mario64 on it I am amazed of how great it plays and still looks.
But only gripe might be is that you really need a control stick for 3-D games and not the control pad. But that is a different story. (My skills for using the stylus are getting pretty good now though)

And by the way Querjek, what you are saying on your signature is something that I thought about too. The whole "countdown" for the DS, and know that it is here I miss the anticipation, but of course am more happy that it's here!!!

[SuperShark]

Didn't read all that everyone said so I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but the PSP should have, from what I 've heared a 7.5 inch screen. Not Positive.

[Berserker]

I had a chance to play Metroid for a bit friday. This is a bit off-topic, but the buttons on the DS felt ubertiny. Of course, that could have something to do with playing it in the store, with that firmly locked down enclosure they have to put it in. I'm sure it'd seem less apparent just kicking back with it in a lazy chair.

As for the issue of the topic, well, it honestly didn't seem that bad. Maybe I was lucky, but the screen was small, true, but it was also pretty clear. I didn't have to strain my eyes or anything like that... it didn't seem that "dark" as people have claimed, although the controls seemed a little weird, the ABXY controlled the camera. I just assumed someone before me must have futzed with the control settings, but it was still a little disorienting.

Based on my very(very) limited experience, I really don't see a problem with handhelds moving into the realm of full 3d. I'm sure your eyes might hurt if you sit there staring at the little screen(s) for 9 hours, but, well, do anything for 9 hours and see if something doesn't hurt! LOL

[zmweasel]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have no problems with Mario 64 on my DS. After a minute, I actually can;t tell it's on a handheld I'm so into it. I look forward to more 3D games on it. Maybe that's just me. :)

How old are you? I would expect old bastards like me to have more issues with the DS screen than young'uns. (1-up.com's reviewer is 29, which is ancient by game-journo standards.)

-- Z.

Personally, I've played the game for hours and haven't had a problem. (I'm 23 by the way, is that old enough?)

Nope. The vision of the average Joe doesn't take a hit until he reaches his 30s, when he develops the earliest symptoms of presbyopia. (The lens of the eye becomes less flexible, making it harder to focus on close objects.)

Quoting Ralph Baer: "Getting old stinks on ice. Don't do it."

-- Z.

[zmweasel]

Didn't read all that everyone said so I'm not sure if this has been mentioned but the PSP should have, from what I 've heared a 7.5 inch screen. Not Positive.

You need to stop listening to the voices in your head. The PSP has a 4.3-inch screen.

-- Z.

[Jasoco]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I have no problems with Mario 64 on my DS. After a minute, I actually can;t tell it's on a handheld I'm so into it. I look forward to more 3D games on it. Maybe that's just me. :)

How old are you? I would expect old bastards like me to have more issues with the DS screen than young'uns. (1-up.com's reviewer is 29, which is ancient by game-journo standards.)

-- Z.I am 25 years old. A quarter of a whole century.

[digitalpress]

Gah! ANOTHER DS thread?!

Get this out of my classic gaming forum

* punt *

[Ed Oscuro]

* Goes for 50 *

It makes no difference for me if a 3D game's on a 2D system. I manage to play Tenchu on my old PlayStation just fine, after all :)

[Icarus Moonsight]

I also feel some sorrow knowing that the last bastion of 2D goodness, the handheld, has jumped on the 3D gravy train.

Reading the subject line to this thread, my immediate thought was nearly verbatim to klausien's sentiment.

Last bastion of 2D goodness... :(
For the love of GOD, PLEASE don't take my sprites away!!!

EDIT: LOL DP... Split the uprights!! 3 points!