The Gamecube is dead ! serious, "The Post" said so

[howdoin]

Nah it's not me saying it (especially with Metroid Prime 2, Paper Mario 2 , RE4, Geist, Killer 7, Viewtifull 2, Baten Kaitos...and more around the corner) it is just a very "well informed" journalist from none other than the Washington Post who says:

" Most of the time, I've been able to limit my game-platform advice to one question: What games do you -- or the recipient of your gift -- play most often? Find out what console the games play on, and buy that.
This year, things are different. One console, the Nintendo GameCube, is clearly obsolete, with a diminishing supply of new titles. The other two -- PlayStation 2 and Xbox -- are far more competitive"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A25613-2004Dec1.html

Sure the cube does not get as much love from the publishers but the titles that get released on it are usually of far better quality.

Too bad this article from a supposedly informed source is not going to help the cube, this is even sadder because the cube is far from being obsolete. You could defintely argue that the cube gets limited support and release compared to its competition but just look at the shelves in an EB Games and you'll realise that you do not want most of the title.

It is even stupider when you think that this guy is recommending products to buy... who needs recommendations? Parents who have kids under 12 is my guess (after that the kids will tell their parents which conosle they want), and for those yong kids the cube as much to offer.

Oh well..,

[LiquidX01]

Well from what I'VE seen, GameCube is definately struggling.

There is always many in stock including the Metroid bundle and even the Mario Kart bundle is struggling to fly off the shelves. Like I posted in another thread, We had 10 Mario Kart bundles in stock on "Black Friday" and by the end of the weekend there was still 8 left.

So whats the reason for the slow sales if it aint the library?....

[MegaDrive20XX]

That evening, this gentlemen recieved a phone call from Redmond, WA...with a mob hit attached...

Strong opinion to washington post that Cube is "obsolete". I guess he doesn't like Metroid?

I will say, releasing two bundles so close to each other was a bad idea....Metroid and the Mario Kart DD bundles. (Is it me, or does one come with two controllers and the other doesn't?)

Then deciding to go into the movie business.... :(

Nintendo...please stop making these decisions...Sega and Square (or should I say Square Enix? Square Soft? Square Sad?) should have taught Nintendo something important!

Well at least there is Nintendo DS! *thumbs up*

[howdoin]

Well from what I'VE seen, GameCube is definately struggling.

There is always many in stock including the Metroid bundle and even the Mario Kart bundle is struggling to fly off the shelves. Like I posted in another thread, We had 10 Mario Kart bundles in stock on "Black Friday" and by the end of the weekend there was still 8 left.

So whats the reason for the slow sales if it aint the library?....

I am not saying that it is in great shape but come on "obsolete"! The N64 is obsolete not the Gamecube.

Journalist should know that they have to carefully pick their words.

[LiquidX01]

Well from what I'VE seen, GameCube is definately struggling.

There is always many in stock including the Metroid bundle and even the Mario Kart bundle is struggling to fly off the shelves. Like I posted in another thread, We had 10 Mario Kart bundles in stock on "Black Friday" and by the end of the weekend there was still 8 left.

So whats the reason for the slow sales if it aint the library?....

I am not saying that it is in great shape but come on "obsolete"! The N64 is obsolete not the Gamecube.

Journalist should know that they have to carefully pick their words.

No...I wont go as far as to say its obsolete. Struggling....Yes. I agree the author should have chose a different word than what he used.

[DigitalSpace]

I read that on Kotaku (http://www.kotaku.com) a little earlier. They had this to say:

Of course the article is painfully wrong. The GameCube, while not the powerhouse that is PS2, is still quite competitive with the Xbox and has ludicrously hardcore supports worldwide.

The author of that article is as useless to game journalism as another guy I strongly dislike, Doug Elfman. He's a video game critic that bashes the PS2 in his reviews simply because it's not as powerful as the Xbox and GC. :roll:

[RCM]

I happen to agree with the washington post article. The action is on the Xbox and PS2. There aren't too many exciting or new titles coming out for the GC besides those listed already on this thread. Don't forget about Star Fox next year too! I would class the Gamecube as Nintendo's most disappointing system ever besides the Virtual Boy. I dig GC and VB by the way. It's to bad that most developers didn't give the GC the same "love" that the PS2 and to a certain extent the xbox received. Hopefully the Nintendo Revolution will change all that.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[zmweasel]

I am not saying that it is in great shape but come on "obsolete"! The N64 is obsolete not the Gamecube.

Journalist should know that they have to carefully pick their words.

The journo isn't referring to the GameCube's tech, but the GameCube as a mass-market consumer item, and "obsolete" is much less of a stretch in that context. Third parties have abandoned it, and retailers can't sell it, despite its being $50 cheaper and far more readily available than the PS2 and Xbox. From a mainstream POV, the GameCube *is* obsolete.

-- Z.

[EnemyZero]

Meh, let them say what they wan't, I highly doubt the guy who wrote that is even a gamer. He seems to be looking at quantity not quality, and yah xbox and ps2 may have released more games from october - coming up february but how many are worth buying, GC has a low game count but almost all of them are kick ass games.

[zmweasel]

Meh, let them say what they wan't, I highly doubt the guy who wrote that is even a gamer. He seems to be looking at quantity not quality, and yah xbox and ps2 may have released more games from october - coming up february but how many are worth buying, GC has a low game count but almost all of them are kick ass games.

The "GameCube has better games" argument simply doesn't wash. Not when Nintendo itself puts up Metroid Prime 2 against Halo 2 and GTA: San Andreas.

The point of the article is that mainstream gamers would be much better served picking up a PS2 or Xbox, as those systems have more games in terms of both quantity and quality. And that's absolutely true.

-- Z.

[Raedon]

Not that I care, but the Gamecube has like the N64, some really amazing games that you just can't play elsewhere.

I'm not to interested in profit or who is winning whatever. Nintendo could stop making consoles and I'd be happy with just their past.

[zmweasel]

Not that I care, but the Gamecube has like the N64, some really amazing games that you just can't play elsewhere.

And so does the PS2, and so does the Xbox.

-- Z.

[badinsults]

I'm pretty happy with my gamecube. I have never really played and xbox before, but I must say that the gamecube is better than the PS2. I hate load times...

[thegreatescape]

I read that on Kotaku a little earlier. They had this to say:

Of course the article is painfully wrong. The GameCube, while not the powerhouse that is PS2, is still quite competitive with the Xbox and has ludicrously hardcore supports worldwide.

They cant be talking about Australia then, because the GC is very much un-loved here. Heck, my local K-Mart has the same amount of shelf space for the Psone as it does for GameCube. It would be nice to see at least another year and a half out of the GC though.

[lendelin]

That the GC is "clearly obsolete" from a mass market standpoint is clearly an exaggeration; that the Xbox and PS2 are "far more competitive" is nothing else than harsh economic reality.

Let's face it, the GC plays a distant third fiddle. GTA San Andreas and Halo 2 make it painfully clear on a symbolic level this holiday season. Metroid Prime 2 won't come even close.

If something should be learned from the success and failures of consoles in the last decade, it is that one or a couple of outstanding, even groundbreaking games aren't enough to make or brake a console system. A broad, well balanced game library with lots of choices is key; and therefore, third party support is key, and the GC is a distant third in this department; and this goes for all genres

((BIG Q: WHY? WHY? past burdened relationships with developers? I have no clue, all the probs of the N64 [high production costs for cartridges, high development costs, long development time, technically superior but visually inferior graphics] are certainly not there anymore. Image probs as a too 'family friendly' console seems to be more the result than the cause of third party support))

[SoulBlazer]

I would suspect because it's due to Nintendo's 'kiddy image' that they are not doing much to dispel; problems with relations with third party companies; lack of space on the GC discs when compared to the PS2 and XBox; and unwise marketing and bundling of the system.

To MAINSTREAM gamers, yes, the GC is a distant third and will stay that way. Obsolete? I would'nt go that far. On it's last legs, and the sooner Nintendo can get the Revolution out, the better? Most defentily.

[calthaer]

Since when have we, the gamerati, ever really cared what those Byzantine "mainstream" gamers do? Real gamers may not be the majority any more, but that doesn't make their systems obsolete.

[Dahne]

We're obviously only talking about the western market here. In Japan, it's GC and PS2, with the dismal failure of the Xbox putting it in a distant third.

[goats]

I dont think I am the only one, but I am really disapointed in GC's lack of online gaming. If you consider the GC a failure ( which I don't completely) it would seem obvious that nintendo underestimated how popular online gaming has become in the last 2-3 years

[FurinkanianFrood]

If people had any sanity the PS2 would have bombed early on, and hard. The PS2 should have been obsolete before it came out. There aren't any "great games on PS2 that can't be played anywhere else." There are some decent games, but thats it.
The GTA games may be amusing, but they are not "go anywhere, do anything games" like naff game mags want us to believe. I don't really have anything against the game (I'm not offended or anything) but the theme doesn't appeal to me, the gameplay is pedestrian, and the graphics serve no purpose other than to remind me of how much better the games would look if they were not on Sony's mal-engineered hardware.
I am sick of hearing that people are biased against the PS2 because the hardware is weaker. I am not biased against the Atari VCS, etc. The problem is when companies like Sony make expensive, poorly designed hardware and expect people to think its the new big thing and worth $300. The thing has terribly insufficient video ram (how much would 4 more MB have cost ya !@#$ cheapskate, not much!). The emotion engine is one of the dumbest architectures ever implemented (that cell thing is worse, even harder to program for, horrible program control overhead with too manty cores, etc). The quality of the software on PS2 bites too, sorry. I have twice as many Jag games, honestly, and thats only the good ones. Not to mention all the DC and (import)Saturn games, PC engine, etc.
Even if it died today, the PS2 would never have as many good games as the cube. And Nintendo isn't about to kill the cube because of a a few weak sales figures. People talk like its Virtual Boy or something (sales wise I mean). All newspapers, newschannels, etc. slant things one way or another, its just a matter of which direction they choose based on their target audience. I have read sillier things in the Post (almost every day it seems).

[zmweasel]

We're obviously only talking about the western market here. In Japan, it's GC and PS2, with the dismal failure of the Xbox putting it in a distant third.

True, the Xbox is even deader in Japan than the GameCube in North America, but the NA market is so much bigger that it's entirely possible for Microsoft to overtake Nintendo for second place worldwide. We'll see how the Big Three spin the Xmas '04 numbers.

-- Z.

[zmweasel]

The quality of the software on PS2 bites too, sorry. I have twice as many Jag games, honestly, and thats only the good ones.

So you have half a PS2 game?

-- Z.

[FurinkanianFrood]

Since when have we, the gamerati, ever really cared what those Byzantine "mainstream" gamers do? Real gamers may not be the majority any more, but that doesn't make their systems obsolete.

Very true. I would much rather play Saturn and PCE than PS2, and no one could argue that those aren't dead to the market!



And so does the PS2, and so does the Xbox.

BTW, what are the "Amazing games that can't be played anywhere else" on PS2? Good sure, maybe even a few that are tremendously enjoyable, but nothing "amazing."

The Japanese market eats up crappy games like the Apocalypse is nigh. So does the US market. Especially with the right license (Matrix, yuck). Of the best games over the years only a scant few have sold all that well in any region. The main concern for real gamers is that the situation is stable enough that support is not prematurely withdrawn. (i.e. overhyped PS2 kills vastly superior DC before the Sony's`Blundermachine even sees the light of day)

I have the PS2 for a few RPG'S but I am tempted to sell the thing just to get it out of my sight.

Sadly, the Gamecube's library is nothing compared to the Super Nintendo or NES. The lack of 3rd party Japanese support really hurt it worldwide. Success in Japan is very important despite the much larger US market because success in Japan leads to more development, then to a better library, to better success in other markets, and back again to more development in Japan and elsewhere. This cycles until a company like Sony takes over the Japanese market. Microsoft has so much money that they can do fairly welll with their US based sledgehammer approach.

The distaste of Japanese developers for the N64 is still making Nintendo hurt in a big way with the Gamecube, not to mention all the crazy worship of Sony's overpriced self-destructing weaksauce products. Why don't some people realize that Sony hasn't meant quality for a dang long time like so many other companies? I am sick of the hype for overpriced crap like fancy (in useless ways) cell phones, pda's, LCD TV's with runaway chickenwire effect, etc. A good analog hifi with clean vinyl sounds a heck of a lot better than CD's and there is no such thing as "all digital" wireless (don't make me start talking about Fourier series.)

[FurinkanianFrood]

Mr Weasel,

Have you ever played many Jaguar games? People are always attacking that system based on half-baked opinions from ten years ago. If you have and just don't like the games that's not an issue. I dissed PS2, you dissed Jaguar lets just leave it at that. And I meant enjoyable Jag games not necessarily great ones.

And actually I have six PS2 games.

I was just giving my honest opinion, if you like/ love PS2 I don't have a problem with that. I don't like it much though. Sorry, didn't mean to start a war or anything.

People rag on games/systems I like all the time, and I often don't respond.

If I dislike Sony that doesn't need to be anyone elses problem, but I don't feel a need for self-censorship either.

[FurinkanianFrood]

lack of space on the GC discs when compared to the PS2 and XBox

That may influence people if they don't know any better, but since when is more than a GByte necessary to make top quality games? Disk space of the kind found on DVD's only serves to promote flash over substance (not that flash is a bad idea as a complement to substance). Sony is putting Blu-ray into the PS3. Why? To make it more expensive? I wouldn't be surprised, considering the emotion engine and cell chip (bad architecture design, almost enough to make me stop dissing Intel arch).

[zmweasel]

Have you ever played many Jaguar games? People are always attacking that system based on half-baked opinions from ten years ago. If you have and just don't like the games that's not an issue. I dissed PS2, you dissed Jaguar lets just leave it at that.

Yes, I've played lots of Jaguar games. I co-authored the Atari Jaguar Official Gamer's Guide in 1995.

-- Z.

[FurinkanianFrood]

Z,

I know I said I'd leave this alone but I was just curious.
What was the one game that you consider good on it? And whats so bad about some of the others? (I paid very little money for mine btw, I probably wouldn't defend the stuff at full price) .

Of course most Jaguar games are really laughably awful, but I really do play my Jag more often because I have about a dozen games that I personally enjoy playing.

The Gamecube, sadly, has the weakest library of any Nintendo system IMO (not counting VBoy of course). Though it certainly has enough that it should be doing much better than it is

[Dahne]

There aren't any "great games on PS2 that can't be played anywhere else."

Metal. Gear. Solid. 3.

[Raedon]

There aren't any "great games on PS2 that can't be played anywhere else."

Metal. Gear. Solid. 3.

off the top of my head.

the Guilty Gear franchise

Zone of the Enders 2 (HIGH SPEED ROBOT ACTION!) one of the fastest well developed robot games ever created

EA Sports online up to now (though I hate sports games)

the RPG market has been all Sony consoles for almost a decade.

I'm sure these all could go from Sony to the GC or Xbox even though, say Halo 2, could never have enough graphics power on the PS2 but PS2 has em.

[FurinkanianFrood]

I have a PS2 because there are exclusive games I wanted to play. I meant to say that the PS2 lacks true must-haves (which are rare on any sytem).

Also lacks a killer app in my opinion.

MGS3 is good, but it would be much better on more capable hardware. I only really liked the first metal gear and the real second (MSX) MG.

Kojima himself has balked at the PS2's lack of Video Ram, saying that it would never reach its real potential. The game could easily be on a better system if Konami (which I used to love mind you) hadn't sold themselves out to Sony.

Kojima is the only thing Konami has left IMO.

Lucky for them he is a genius.

What angers me most about the PS2 is actually how it stifles the potential of games like MGS3. And I don't think that one is going to be exclusive forever (though it probably will be until Sony gets taken down a few notches).

The architecture of the PS3 (even what has been announced so far) is ludicrous. The whole idea behind the cell chip is a game programmers nightmare that makes the PS2 and Jaguar look sane. A similar idea was attempted by Sun with some thing called the Majic chip which failed miserably
even in its limited target market. A couple years ago Sony was selling a desktop PC with a 4200 RPM HDD. Where the heck did they even get such a n idea when the standard minimum is 5600 RPM (I may remember the numbers slighlty wrong). Sony products cost more money than competing brands, and for what reason?

The PSP is overpriced and too large, with crappy controls and a weak library.

The end of Playstation will arrive someday. No one dominates forever. It looks to me like Microsoft may succeed in taking over the US market (next generation I mean), essentially forcing large Japanese developers to stop ignoring it or face economic consequences.

Niniendo isn't about to die. The DS seems to be doing rather well, and the GBA has generated more far game revenue for Ninitendo than anything Sony has put out has done for them. Look at publisher sales numbers if you don't believe me. Nintendo has been one of the (sometimes the #1) Japanese game publishers for, well, always actually. Nintendo can afford to sell less systems because can make games that go multi-platinum. Games are where the money is. Winning console companies are those that make money.

Going by that it should be:

1. Nintendo
2. Sony
3. Microsoft (throws money at XBOX like there's no tommorow.

[pixelsnpolygons]

The GameCube is simply not a mainstream console - there's nothing to recommend to it to a mainstream, part-time, gamer. It is the simple truth. A hardcore gamer can still find some great fun in the system - but it is like recommending a DVD store that sells plenty of obscure foreign, anime and art house movies to the general public. Plenty of film lovers would frequent the place - rate it far above Wal-Mart, Target and Blockbuster as far as selection... but the rest of the world that wants their Spider-man, Dare Devil and Jurassic Park's isn't going to give such a store their time of day.

GameCube is simply there to please lovers of games, not people who want to be part of the "in" thing. GameCube lovers, huddle tight - because our ranks aren't going to grow very much over the next few year. If anything, it will only grow less.

[zmweasel]

Z,

I know I said I'd leave this alone but I was just curious.
What was the one game that you consider good on it? And whats so bad about some of the others? (I paid very little money for mine btw, I probably wouldn't defend the stuff at full price).

The one Jaguar-exclusive game that was very good at the time of its release (but which has aged very poorly) is AvP. Other than that, the Jaguar library is ports, mediocrities, and all-time-worsts.

-- Z.

[FurinkanianFrood]

The PS2 versions of Guilty Gear? Are you serious? And it ain't exclusive either.

The PS2 Guilty Gear games are horrible mockeries of their proper selves.

Washed out colors anyone?

Guilty Gear should have begun life on Saturn, just because it looked nice on PSX doesn't mean it wouldn't have looked much, much better with the 4MB cart. DC had Guilty Gear X before PS2, and its a much better version.
Xbox has better version of a couple of the games (though Isuka hasn't been realeased yet on there I suppose).

EA sports games have been awful ever since they changed developers long ago.
I used to love madden before they butchered it in the mid-nineties. And since when are these games exclusive?

And if the PS2 deserved to beat out the DC why were all but the first GG on Naomi or Atomiswave (modified Naomi)? PS2 ports of Naomi games are a joke.

[Dahne]

....what the fuck are you talking about? The only thing that could be any better on "more capable hardware" is graphics, which are by far the least important aspect of a game and were in this case drop-dead gorgeous anyhow.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again; power doesn't matter. A paperweight could have all the RAM in the world and it'd still be a paperweight.

[FurinkanianFrood]

The one Jaguar-exclusive game that was very good at the time of its release (but which has aged very poorly) is AvP. Other than that, the Jaguar library is ports, mediocrities, and all-time-worsts

I think the difference between people who like the Jag and those who don't is primarily a matter of whether one minds the ports and how one defines mediocre. I also don't believe that good games can "age poorly" but again thats your call. This is the Retrogaming Roundtable, however, and my views strongly favor the retro side of things. I have never understood how a game that was really fun ceases to be fun years later. I actually find older games much more enjoyable (though I'm not really taliking about the Jag at this point).

[Promophile]

The one Jaguar-exclusive game that was very good at the time of its release (but which has aged very poorly) is AvP. Other than that, the Jaguar library is ports, mediocrities, and all-time-worsts

I think the difference between people who like the Jag and those who don't is primarily a matter of whether one minds the ports and how one defines mediocre. I also don't believe that good games can "age poorly" but again thats your call. This is the Retrogaming Roundtable, however, and my views strongly favor the retro side of things. I have never understood how a game that was really fun ceases to be fun years later. I actually find older games much more enjoyable (though I'm not really taliking about the Jag at this point).

I can't stand most of the REALLY old 3D games for the Playstation / SNES / Saturn / ect. 3D Games that came out further into the playstations life cycle aren't bad. I like to consider myself not vain enough to judge a game on its appearance, but something about the horribly pixelated graphics on prehistoric 3D games drives me crazy. Stunt Racer FX for the SNES comes to mind as one of my most hated games due to bad 3D graphics.

[FurinkanianFrood]

Dahne.

1. There is no need for swearing. I did not say that MGS3 was ugly. Also, if you pay attention, it's obvious that I don't worry much about graphics because I have been talking about how I prefer the NES Metal Gear. That's the gameplay talking.
2. I said it would be better, not that it is bad now. The PS2 hardware limits more than the graphics btw. And the gameplay in that series has not been in top form since MG2:SS on the MSX.
3. I will never back down from what I said about Guilty Gear.
4. As far as RPG exclusivity, what about Saturn (admittedly they are largely japanese only). There are a couple good ones on the DC. Gamecube at least has Tales of Symphonia. Most of the RPG's are watered down junk for non-gamers, i.e. trash like Kingdom Hearts, FF10,11,12 etc. I do have a PS2 for the few RPG's on it that I like.
5. Apparently you haven't seen as many fubared PS2's as I have. Disk drive failure rate=unacceptable. Its programmed obsolence, just like Shinji Mikami has said.
6. It makes sense for companies to primarily develop for PS2 for business reasons, but Konami always shafted Sega and they have thoroughy shafted nintendo for two generations now. They could take a few moments to develop something better than Deadly Arts you would think.
7. Is ZOE2 much different from the first (I actually really want to know because I was really disappointed by the first one, which along with the awful Ridge Racer 5, largely formed my opinion of PS2 in general).
8. DC was better and PS2's hype killed it is my main argument against PS2 and it always will be.

[Promophile]

Dahne.

Most of the RPG's are watered down junk for non-gamers, i.e. trash like Kingdom Hearts, FF10,11,12 etc. I do have a PS2 for the few RPG's on it that I like.


I don't know HOW you can call Kingdom Hearts junk. Yea its not a traditional RPG, but that doesn't make it trash. It may not be your cup of tea but most people that aren't blinded by hatred can see that the game is at least above average.

[FurinkanianFrood]

I can't stand most of the REALLY old 3D games

I don't like most of them myself, but I don't mind some of the ones on the Jag for some reason (even cybermorph). It's just my taste (and that of a few others, some of whom you may hear from on these forums at times).

Early playstation 3D games are rather ugly, as are most on Saturn. AvP at least has texturing (largely because it ain't actually 3D to begin with ala doom)
I actually don't mind blocikiness so long as the animation doesn't bite, which is why I like the first VF for instance (though not bad ports of it).

Early playstation games would make that lil' robot that only likes to jump roll over in his grave (may he rest in peace forever, the blessed child. Twas Big Brother that did 'im in. Sony got here too late ta off 'im so they could only dance on his grave and laugh maniacally instead.)

I have about 60-70 Saturn games and most are 2D import only titles.
PC Engine is my favorite system, really great 2D stuff on that one, game library almost beyond compare.

Historically, I would say the best game libraries belong to:

PC Engine (Japan)
SNES/Super Famicom
Saturn (Japan)
NES/Famicom
Atari VCS

But I'm not mainstream now am I ;)

[FurinkanianFrood]

I don't know HOW you can call Kingdom Hearts junk. Yea its not a traditional RPG, but that doesn't make it trash. It may not be your cup of tea but most people that aren't blinded by hatred can see that the game is at least above average.

In all fairness, the gameplay is average (I don't factor in anything completely unplayable, so if you count EVERYTHING it is truly above average.). I am picky about character designs however, and those in KH look disturbingly deformed to my eyes. I don't like the gameplay in KH muchl, and the theme just seems dorkier than words can describe. Its junk to me, but obviously many feel differently. What about all of the people blinded by hatred and hype who didn't give the Dreamcast a fair chance? My dissing of PS2 games is largely a reaction, rather than an attempt to criticize people who honestly like things I don't.

When I call something trash its because it seems like trash to me, not because I have a vendetta against people who like it. If I did I would call it something worse than that. I actually use junk as a generic word for stuff actually, so in my mind it's not the same as trash.

Again, I don't mean to offend, it's just that my cup of tea is so non-mainstream that I get defense easily. (My cup of tea is Earl Grey, cold)

Also, while were on the subject, the PS2 is not a human being and neither is Sony, nor are any other consoles/corporations. So hatred isn't exactly the same in that context.

Still, point taken, but I have heard so many people trash systems that I prefer in favor of PSX/ PS2 that I have a hard time feeling bad about trashing Sony.

If I was completely blinded by hatred I would also have less than 6 PS2 games. I would have none. To me having just a few games seems like the sane middle path.

Sony's hardware malfunctions at an unaccepatable rate. The DC was better.
Those are my main arguments, not that there are no fun games whatsover on PS2.
I'm not that crazy. Though I know it seems like it.

[thegreatescape]

Maybe there should be an anti sony board :/

Like it or not, the Gamecube is doomed (and not the good kinda of doom that the xbox is getting) and the article is right. Its doomedness is their (nintendo's) own doing, and no amount of sony or MS hating will change that.

EDIT: Interesting that the article didnt mention the DS and instead went on to PC gaming which isnt really what it used to be.

[FurinkanianFrood]

Like it or not, the Gamecube is doomed.

It is, but every system goes sometime, and there were a lot of nice games.
PS2 isn't immortal either. Some of my friends and I were nearly ready to call the PS2 dead to our own selves 2 years ago

I cannot see anyway that Sony can continue to dominate the industry for too much longer (I'm looking years ahead mind you). Atari dominated with 1 system. Nintendo with 2. Sony has dominated with 2 and the competition is much stonger than it was for Atari with the VCS or Nintendo with the NES. The SNES had virtually no competition in Japan much like Sony has enjoyed over there, but
the Cell chip is a much worse mistake than a cartridge system. Just see how developers like it when the PS3 is actually upon us (its overpriced, possibly near vaporware (due to delays) self). Do you really want to pay money to a company that increases the price of consoles with gimmicky extras (DVD playback) and now Blu-ray) . Not to mention the effect that will have on reliability. Remember the amazing overheating PS?

GC will die, but like hell if Nintendo could anywhere near go with it.
(Not that anyone here is dumb enough to suggest that)

I'm not exaggerating, nor trying to tick people off. I really believe what I say.
Feel free not to believe it yourself!

I resent mainstream gaming, and its too late for that to change.
If I thought I could be the Luke to Sony's Darth Vader I would have started ranting about this subject long ago. This era of gaming, like others, too shall pass, leading to the glorious Post-Anti-Classical Revivial. Or maybe not.

Fear for PSX,
who heed me not let all your Treasure make you,
deceive you not,
some other corps cash will take it,
should death await it

(Queen song pun BTW)

Not all madmen are laughed at forever.

[nandystam]

I read that on Kotaku a little earlier. They had this to say:

Of course the article is painfully wrong. The GameCube, while not the powerhouse that is PS2, is still quite competitive with the Xbox and has ludicrously hardcore supports worldwide.

They cant be talking about Australia then, because the GC is very much un-loved here. Heck, my local K-Mart has the same amount of shelf space for the Psone as it does for GameCube. It would be nice to see at least another year and a half out of the GC though.

True, some of the major retailers have cut the price of the GC in half to AUD$99 . Might be worth a look now :D

[FurinkanianFrood]

Of course the GC is only dead in the sense that the end of its life as a major contender seems close at hand. Nintendo is gonna keep supporting the GC for a long time yet. There is still Mario 128 and the "adult Link" Zelda according to Nintendo, but those may skip over to Revolution, like what happened with so many 64 games. Fortunately, the latter day GC games are so nice to look at Nintendo would be able to fix them up in a reasonable amount of time for the Rev if they decide to go that route. If that happens a Nintendo resurgence would be a safe bet. Sadly, Nintendo may find some half-assed reason not to.

They should start working at it now (for all I know they may already be looking at the idea). They started working on GBA before GBC got out the door if I remember correctly. They could be trying to deal a devastating blow all at once in order to retake what they lost years ago. Who the heck knows what those guys are really up to. They might have been a little slack on GC support because they realized Sony had a year leap on it to begin with.

Yep, Im done bashing Sony today.
On to theories about how Nintendo could theoretically become dominant again.

I personally think that the name Revolution refers to more than new ways of playing games as Ninitendo has said. If you look at how many games on GC were developed 1st party, it seems awfully suspicious, as if they are holding everything back to nuke the competetion into oblivion in the Revolution.

May Neo-neo-Classicism reign until this Kalpa sees its end!!

Seriously though, I don't think it will be Nintendo that will unseat Sony, but it could be done. Dominance in the console market is fleeting. The span of time is what makes it seem long.

Atari = Approximately 8 years
Nintendo = Approx. 10 yrs (longer in Japan)
Sony = More than 8 years now....

The sounding of the bell reminds us that all is transient, all consoles will crumble to dust... literally...

And even that dust will someday cease to be in turn, as will all humans bickering about the console wars...

And I the Plaid Thunder of Furinkan High School shall be no more...

(Reality really IS quite transient, don't be put off by my goofy humour and semi-obscure references)

[FurinkanianFrood]

Now that I think about it, didn't the DC launch get badly botched in Australia?

People always talk about North America getting shafted, but I think these days America get shafted the least as far as game releases are concerned.

I have loads of imports on older systems (> half my collection), but after Dreamcast I have none whatsoever.

In contrast, on newer systems I have many games that got released in Japan later or perhaps even not at all.

How neglected by comparison are other markets? I don't hear much about it, but what I have read isn't encouraging.

Size of markets will affect quantity shipped no matter what of course, but not releasing games without any real reason is just nasty. The games are already made, so whats the harm in releasing a limited quantity. (

To be honest, I don't actually know anything about the videogame market outside N America and Japan these days, though I have read up somewhat on it historically (especially mastersystem, sinclair, msx, Amiga, and others that (sadly) have had little or no significance in the American gaming scene).
(Though MSX was big in Japan, there was a reference to it in late Neo Geo game even.)

[petewhitley]

If you look at how many games on GC were developed 1st party, it seems awfully suspicious, as if they are holding everything back to nuke the competetion into oblivion in the Revolution.

Riiiiiight. x_x

[FurinkanianFrood]

Its doomedness is their (nintendo's) own doing, and no amount of sony or MS hating will change that.
Nintendo contributed to its demise by making some miscalculations.
That at least is certain.

Sony isn't really fault for GC's demise, it was more at fault for the DC's demise though. The demise of any system is primarily the result of the taste of mainstream game players. My taste in games is much different, and I can't figure out why people like most PS2 games, but I actually blame Nintendo haters and Sega haters for the demise of the GC and DC. I acknowledge I do let off steam at their expense, and it may be hypocritcal, but they jabber against Nintendo and such nonstop. It angers me and I react by dissing what I feel don't like.

As far as the majority is concerned, why shouldn't I think that perhaps the majority is wrong? How often is the majority right anyhow? The majority of people in my country were VERY wrong in November! (and I'm not even a liberal or Democrat). When the whole world goes insane I don't worry too much about what games I diss, and neither do the people who piss me off in message boards, and thats ok. (The whole world is always insane BTW this ain't anything new, things get bad then they get better and then bad again, but its all the same cycle of suffering in sorrowful samsara)

There's a lot more people who say Sega sucks or Nintendo sucks, or at least as far as I can tell. It's hard not to yell back. Why shoudln't I? I don't make up anything I say out of thin air. When I talk about Sony's hardware being bad, I base that on actual technical knowledge. Ever write an assembly program? Do you know anything about how bad the PS2 development kit has hindered some games? The reality is that while the PS2 hardware is sufficient, it is weaker than the DC hardware which came earlier and cost less. Sony lied to consumers and sold hardware which had a cost that was far greater than its capabiliites. Other systems were difficult to program for, but I didn't see themoverwhelming the competition so thoroughly. Developers liked the playstation because it was (much) easier to program for than its competitors. Sony got away with the PS2 architecture, but it somethin' like that ain't gonna fly again. The cell chip concept makes the Jaguar look easy to program for by comparison.

I never said I hated Microsoft or the XBOX. The XBOX is my favorite current console actually. When I say that they throw money at things I just mean that's how they go about doing things. If they didn't do that the XBOX would have gone nowhere.

I was somewhat disappointed by the GC (because of relatively weak third-party support), but I was more disappointed by the PS2, and about what happened to the Dreamcast.

The GC is not a major contender, but was it ever really?
It was made for people who like Nintendo, and who appreciate what Nintendo has to offer. I don't think Nintendo thought they would get a good market share this generation. They waited too long.

Like I said, the fact that the vast majority of GC games published by Nintendo were developed by second parties (Intelligent systems, Retro Studios, etc.)
and third-parties (Amusement Vision, Namco, Treasure and so on) seems to be an indication that internally (Miyamoto et al.) are focused on correcting the (business) mistakes of the last two generations.

[FurinkanianFrood]

FurinkanianFrood wrote:
If you look at how many games on GC were developed 1st party, it seems awfully suspicious, as if they are holding everything back to nuke the competetion into oblivion in the Revolution.

Quote:
"Riiiiiight."

Its obviously meant to be tongue and cheek. But seriously, Nintendo must realize on some level that they have made mistakes, and I do think there is a chance (however unlikely) that they are making solid plans to rectify those mistakes, at least somewhat. And I didn't make up the thing about them planning GBA way ahead of time, not at all. Besides, as I said earlier, Ninitendo has been one of the top game publishers for a damn long time (since 83 in Japan), so they're laughing about market share al the way to the bank. And most of the games Nintendo published for Gamecube were in fact developed by second and third parties. I guarantee you that they are working on some fun next gen stuff, but nuking the competition is what I want to happen. So what if I have a little fun drawing goofy conclusions? It's not as if I invaded anything.

And in all seriousness, Nintendo will have another chance this time, its not like the GC inspired anger like the Saturn did. Its up to Nintendo to pull themselves out their slump. It is possible, not that I'm holding my breath.

I quit Nintendo Revolution conspiracies.
I'm on to cigars now, just like Uncle Buck!

[FurinkanianFrood]

The "GameCube has better games" argument simply doesn't wash. Not when Nintendo itself puts up Metroid Prime 2 against Halo 2 and GTA: San Andreas.

The point of the article is that mainstream gamers would be much better served picking up a PS2 or Xbox, as those systems have more games in terms of both quantity and quality. And that's absolutely true.


That is one opinion, and you said it was absolutely true, which makes no sense for an opinion.

I couldn't disagree more. IMO The gamecube has much better games than PS2 and is cheaper. I'm sure there are many out there who are afraid to say out loud how much lower they feel the overall quality of PS2 games is. I am not a true 'hater' at least in the sense that I do actually have a PS2 and PSX. People are better off with whatever system they prefer the games on. I just seek to drown out the voices of Nintendo haters is all.

Truth be told the above quote ticked me off so bad that I forgot why I was upset until just now. Halo 2 I can see but not GTA.

GTA is fun, but using such an overrated game as an argument against the likes of Nintendo is offensive (though I have nothing against GTA or its creators, just against people who swear that its the second coming or some such.) (I fell Metroid Prime is a bit overrated also, so maybe not such a good comparison?)

If you want to play a PS2 game, buy a PS2. If you want to play a GC game ditto, and so on, which reminds me that I have been meaning to buy a Vectrex :).

"[ PS2 or Xbox] have more games in terms of both quantity and quality. And that's absolutely true."

Someone said that the PS2 is absolutely better so I said its absolutely worse. Don't hate on gamecube and expect the psycho Sega fanatics not bite.
An Xeye for an Xeye, a truth for a lie.

This is just for the record, I'm not out to get anyone.

And the Jag (and Atari) is cool no matter what anyone says!

Please don't diss something (GC) and then diss something else (Jag) when someone tries to shoot it down with tongue in cheek hyperbole loaded rants.

Not enough people stand up for Atari these days. Dissing it is a sure way to set me off.

[jetsetradio4ever]

As previously ststed, this journalist doesn't know what he's talking about. And, even though not in time for christmas, GC is going to make a comeback with RE4. Honestly, most of the people who liked The Suffering, Siren, (gosh, that game sucked) or Outbreak are going to dump their trunks (hehe, funny) at RE4, run out, buy a GC and RE4, etc. I just think that 4 is going to boost sales.

[Raedon]

Dissing it is a sure way to set me off.

Using the late 80's early 90's slang "Dissing" has lost you any credability you might have had from any of your posts... Word...

[evilmess]

All three current gen systems are on there way out because next years E3 will give us our first look at the PS3 and probably Xbox2 which means that developers won't be far behind in switching gears from the current generation and working to meet the demands of the next generation.

I think it's safe to say that the GC's popularity is no where near that of the PS2 or the Xbox but Nintendo as a game company is far from being obsolete and is one of our brightest stars in the grand gaming universe.

[Kilik Kurosawa]

Dissing it is a sure way to set me off.

Using the late 80's early 90's slang "Dissing" has lost you any credability you might have had from any of your posts... Word...

true dat playa

[ubersaurus]

If people had any sanity the PS2 would have bombed early on, and hard. The PS2 should have been obsolete before it came out. There aren't any "great games on PS2 that can't be played anywhere else." There are some decent games, but thats it.

Gee, maybe I should name a few.

Suikoden 3
Gradius V
Katamari Damacy
R-Type Final
Metal gear Solid 3
Guilty Gear XX
Mr. Mosquito
Virtua Fighter 4/VF4 Evolution(best fighting game ever)
WWE Smackdown series
If you want to count games that never got out in the states other then PS2, Rez, Space Channel 5 part 2, and Mobile Light Force 2 were all pretty badass. I also hear Sly Cooper 2, and the new Jak game were both pretty sweet, but I haven't tried em myself.

There's no way in hell the saturn could've pulled off GGXX, and if the colors seemed washed out, it's probably how you've got it connected, because I've seen the game look fucking gorgeous.

[FurinkanianFrood]

Some of the games many of you have mentioned I actually like, dang it.
And I can use outdated slang all I want. Shoot down the silliness if you want, but why does no one notice the sane stuff in between.

I loved Suikoden 1+2, 3 destroyed it.
Gradius V may be fun but i'll stick with Gradius II and Salamander.
Katamari Damacy is cool.
VF4 is inferior in terms of gameplay to the earlier VF games, otherwise I could ignore the huge downgrade from the arcade game (which also affects the gameplay for the hundredth time)

Smackdown? Please. I don't like wrestling (can't stand it to be honest)but I don't mind playing a decent wrassling game, which smackdown doesn't even resemble in my book.

What really irritates me is that I let one moron who was dissing nintendo set me off, responded loudly, then the jerk disses Atari (on a classic gaming site no less). I got so mad I forgot how he ticked me off in the first place and tried to be reasonable. Then all of a sudden a goon squad of Sony fans shows up and acts like I'm the devil incarnate.

How many times do I have to say that I really just don't think many PS2 games are Any good?
What about the time a friend sent a PS2 to customer service and he got it back six months later still broken. What about the overheating? What about the drive failures? Are there no people who realise what has happend to gaming?

Sometimes I feel like the omega man. Like I'm surrounded by people who can't see that the DC was better than the PS2 instead of mutants. This isn't politics, i didn't insult anyones mother. Does no one sympathize with people who just plain don't like ps2? Where are the brainwashing robots and how long have they been upon us?

Who the hell judges someones credibility by the slang they use?

What if I think outdated slang is funny dang it?

Again, when people start putting down Nintendo, I get angry.
It's what I do. I am the anti-Sony element. I didn't ask for this calling.
It was fate people. I have a sense of humour. Do you?

Also if you would take the time to check there were several very significant confirmable facts in what I have said that you have probably ignored, but whatever.

I have left the building. Please have the sense to turn this thread into what it was supposed to be.

Someone gave their feelings about the console war, I gave mine.

In my absence I hope that you can stop what I meant to be a single post angry comeback to a Nintendo hater who just had to keep it going by making a crack about another system I like.

Who's crazier, me or the guy who says there is one good Jag game and Tempest ain't it.

And I still say that the DC should have crushed the PS2. Much better system.
That is why it should have bombed. Not graphics. Better games. The PS2 cost $100 dollars more and had inferiror games (still does). So don't ask while I'm bitter. Ask why you fell for Sony's hype. Ask why you can't see through it. Ask why no one complains about Anti-religious and Anti-American sentiments hinted at by users, and vulgarity and so on, but hating a faceless corporation makes people act like I'm some sort of monster.

Signing off,

Johnny Turbo's lesser known sidekick, Turbob PCPants.

[ubersaurus]

Some of the games many of you have mentioned I actually like, dang it.
And I can use outdated slang all I want. Shoot down the silliness if you want, but why does no one notice the sane stuff in between.

I loved Suikoden 1+2, 3 destroyed it.
Gradius V may be fun but i'll stick with Gradius II and Salamander.
Katamari Damacy is cool.
VF4 is inferior in terms of gameplay to the earlier VF games, otherwise I could ignore the huge downgrade from the arcade game (which also affects the gameplay for the hundredth time)

Smackdown? Please. I don't like wrestling (can't stand it to be honest)but I don't mind playing a decent wrassling game, which smackdown doesn't even resemble in my book.

Who's crazier, me or the guy who says there is one good Jag game and Tempest ain't it.



Clearly you're the crazier one, for dismissing VF4 and Gradius V as "inferior". There's opinion, and then there's just things I can't wrap my head around.

For that matter, the gamecube may be sweet and all, and Luigi is my boy and all, but to come out and say that the PS2 and Xbox are lacking in quality titles in comparison is a bald faced lie.

[tritium]

I think the market is big enough for big N to continue and not have to be #1... They have a nice nitch, and plenty of great franchises to keep them up. They're plenty profitable so I don't see the problem. As long as N makes good games, I'll buy them.. maybe after I buy something else, but it'll get on my shelf somehow...

Two more days till Mario party 6!! WHOO!

-Tritium

[zmweasel]

Who's crazier, me or the guy who says there is one good Jag game and Tempest ain't it.

One good Jaguar-EXCLUSIVE game, as I stated in my earlier post (but without all caps). Read for comprehension. Tempest 2000 was ported to, and slightly improved for--unless you think a no-longer-AI Droid is a fatal flaw, which it isn't--the PlayStation and Saturn.

-- Z.

[zmweasel]

Atari = Approximately 8 years
Nintendo = Approx. 10 yrs (longer in Japan)
Sony = More than 8 years now....

How are you coming up with these figures, and what's your definition of "dominance"? By my North American count, it's--

Seven years for Atari: 1977 (Atari VCS released) to 1983 (the Crash)

Seven years for Nintendo: 1985 (NES released) to 1991 (Sonic the Hedgehog released)

Ten years and counting for Sony: 1995 (PlayStation released) to present day

And in terms of hardware sales, it's not even close: Sony has sold twice as many consoles as Nintendo in half the time. If you cheat and allow Nintendo to include all the GB variants, it's about even with Sony.

-- Z.

[Icarus Moonsight]

Since when have we, the gamerati, ever really cared what those Byzantine "mainstream" gamers do? Real gamers may not be the majority any more, but that doesn't make their systems obsolete.

Here, here! The Bard's words ring wise and true. Unlike chivalry, the 'Cube is NOT dead. Bring me the head of this Washington Post journalist - on a pike. That should still his malicious quill. :evil:

[Icarus Moonsight]

Dominance eh? Through out VG's rather short history "mainsteam dominance" has hindered, not prospered the industry/hobby. Too many more than worthwhile projects/games/systems have been cut down in their prime, before their prime, or never allowed to reach their "full-potential". Curse you and your dominance, tyrant! :angry:

[ubersaurus]

Who's crazier, me or the guy who says there is one good Jag game and Tempest ain't it.

One good Jaguar-EXCLUSIVE game, as I stated in my earlier post (but without all caps). Read for comprehension. Tempest 2000 was ported to, and slightly improved for--unless you think a no-longer-AI Droid is a fatal flaw, which it isn't--the PlayStation and Saturn.

-- Z.

Don't forget the CD quality soundtrack :D

My question is, who will dominate the next gen. With the market emphasis shifting to the states, I think it's wholly possible for the successor of the Xbox to compete with sony. Nintendo, on the other hand, is all about 1st party titles at this point, so unless that changes, they're pretty much settled in for being second fiddle(sweet as those titles tend to be).

[RCM]

How are you coming up with these figures, and what's your definition of "dominance"? By my North American count, it's--

Seven years for Atari: 1977 (Atari VCS released) to 1983 (the Crash)

Seven years for Nintendo: 1985 (NES released) to 1991 (Sonic the Hedgehog released)

Ten years and counting for Sony: 1995 (PlayStation released) to present day

And in terms of hardware sales, it's not even close: Sony has sold twice as many consoles as Nintendo in half the time. If you cheat and allow Nintendo to include all the GB variants, it's about even with Sony.

-- Z.

Nintendo did test market stuff in 1985. I personally wouldnt class Nintendo as being dominant till 86. The same goes for Sony. The Saturn didn't stand much of a chance but was semi competitive till 1997. Remember the Saturn 3 pack bundle? That did well but obviously not enough to beat Sony. Same with the N64. That sold like hotcakes months after the US launch. I would say Sony became a clear dominating leader in 1997. Final Fantasy 7 sealed the deal along with a build up of good titles.

My definition of dominace is being the clear untouchable leader in the market.


My question is, who will dominate the next gen. With the market emphasis shifting to the states, I think it's wholly possible for the successor of the Xbox to compete with sony. Nintendo, on the other hand, is all about 1st party titles at this point, so unless that changes, they're pretty much settled in for being second fiddle(sweet as those titles tend to be).

Hopefully there won't be a domination by any company in the market. I do smell a fight brewing in Europe and the states between the big M and S. Doubtful that Microsoft will be able to compete much better in Japan unless hell freezes over or something! Unless something major happens Nintendo will have to be content playing third fiddle. If the DS holds its own and the Revolution fails or is simply just "there" I wouldn't be shocked to see Nintendo becoming a 3rd party developer on home consoles while still being a leader or competitor in the handheld market. Time will tell bitches!

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[Icarus Moonsight]

Great... Just AbFab Fantastic! Another excellent 1st party company reduced to licking the boot heels of Mega-Corps like Microsoft & Sony. If you ask me it's more like "money will tell" bitches! :angry:

[Captain Wrong]

@FurinkanianFrood, do you work for Nintendo? Just curious.

[Promophile]

Who's crazier, me or the guy who says there is one good Jag game and Tempest ain't it.

One good Jaguar-EXCLUSIVE game, as I stated in my earlier post (but without all caps). Read for comprehension. Tempest 2000 was ported to, and slightly improved for--unless you think a no-longer-AI Droid is a fatal flaw, which it isn't--the PlayStation and Saturn.

-- Z.

Don't forget the CD quality soundtrack :D

My question is, who will dominate the next gen. With the market emphasis shifting to the states, I think it's wholly possible for the successor of the Xbox to compete with sony. Nintendo, on the other hand, is all about 1st party titles at this point, so unless that changes, they're pretty much settled in for being second fiddle(sweet as those titles tend to be).

You also have to realise that Japan is still the major player in video games. With such a large percentage of the big hits and great games, Japan is still the biggest force in gaming, not so much in terms of sales but in terms of game development. This is the X-box's biggest downfall. Look at how few JP X-box games there are, and the ones that are on the X-box are PS2 ports / multiple platform games. Will this be enough to cripple the X-box / its successors? Probally not, but it sure isn't helping them.

[Promophile]

. Honestly, most of the people who liked The Suffering, Siren, (gosh, that game sucked) or Outbreak are going to dump their trunks (hehe, funny) at RE4, run out, buy a GC and RE4, etc. I just think that 4 is going to boost sales.

Siren is a totally awesome game, you have to play the JP version taht doesn't have the cockney accents to enjoy it though. Japanese people in an ancient Japanese village talking with the strongest brit accents imaginaible isn't fun.

[ubersaurus]

Who's crazier, me or the guy who says there is one good Jag game and Tempest ain't it.

One good Jaguar-EXCLUSIVE game, as I stated in my earlier post (but without all caps). Read for comprehension. Tempest 2000 was ported to, and slightly improved for--unless you think a no-longer-AI Droid is a fatal flaw, which it isn't--the PlayStation and Saturn.

-- Z.

Don't forget the CD quality soundtrack :D

My question is, who will dominate the next gen. With the market emphasis shifting to the states, I think it's wholly possible for the successor of the Xbox to compete with sony. Nintendo, on the other hand, is all about 1st party titles at this point, so unless that changes, they're pretty much settled in for being second fiddle(sweet as those titles tend to be).

You also have to realise that Japan is still the major player in video games. With such a large percentage of the big hits and great games, Japan is still the biggest force in gaming, not so much in terms of sales but in terms of game development. This is the X-box's biggest downfall. Look at how few JP X-box games there are, and the ones that are on the X-box are PS2 ports / multiple platform games. Will this be enough to cripple the X-box / its successors? Probally not, but it sure isn't helping them.

Trust me, though-if they think the most money can be made on the Xbox, they'll develop for the Xbox. Even if their sales in Japan won't be as good, they'll make up for it overseas if this trend continues.

If they can actually make the next MS system not a hulking beast, it may be more readily accepted into the space-intensive japanese home. And more Xboxes sold in Japan=more japanese focused games for it.

[stressboy]

Again, when people start putting down Nintendo, I get angry.
It's what I do. I am the anti-Sony element. I didn't ask for this calling.
It was fate people. I have a sense of humour. Do you?



You know if you spend more time playing games instead of throwing massive fits about them, you will live longer.

[Raven1280]

everyone shut the fuck up about SONY or Microsoft or even Nintendo if thats who you dislike this week...........compition breeds creativity........IE: the Russians and the US in the space race.

[Kepone]

Wah wah. Sony bashers are just as bad as bashers of any system.

Crybabies.

[SoulBlazer]

Indeed. Another fine example of a thread about a article distringing into a pissing match. x_x

[Dahne]

everyone shut the fuck up about SONY or Microsoft or even Nintendo if thats who you dislike this week...........compition breeds creativity........IE: the Russians and the US in the space race.

Ah, so you're saying you're a COMMUNIST!

LOL

[Icarus Moonsight]

There are some inequities to the competition I'd say... and creativity doesn't mean squat to mass-market yokels. If creativity were king of the heap Sony definately wouldn't be reigning now would they? Big S and Big M's brand of competition breeds greed. Anyway you slice it, it's bad for gamers.

Damn my bladder seems to be empty...

In a perfect world, there would be enough room on store shelves for all games regardless who supports them or who made them. In reality the stores promote their own profit, which they have too, it keeps them from having to close shop. Unfortunately marketing-hype determines what the masses "want", they know no better.

[Algol]

Is Gamecube dead? NO! It's true that it dosen't have as many games as PS2 and hasn't sold quite as many, but when compared to, say, the Dreamcast, or a similar system, the Gamecube has been going along very well.

Remember, at this point in the Saturn and Dreamcast's lives, they were BOTH practically dead, and I don't mean "journalist from Washington thinks they're obsolete" dead, either.