FUTURE VALUES OF SEGA GENESIS AND N64? ANY THOUGHTS

[archie10468]

I've almost completed my ps1 collection with all variants and longboxes sealed. This includes the original (not the latest crap edition) of Dragon Ball GT Final Bout.

I've moved on to snes (a large start there) and sega genesis and N64.

In my mind N64 and sega genesis, the rare ones, will take a big jump in next 5 years. When that happens I'd like to have the good ones and about 5 N64 ogre battles and starcrafts and harvest moons. And the rare genesis stuff.

I already see some movement in rare dreamcast and saturn games which I have sealed.

Any speculation on future genesis and N64 values?

Seems like collectors have to go somewhere after snes and nes.
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[long_shawn_silver]

GENESIS is fun to play and collect because it's all cheap. Not many rare titles to speak of, maybe a dozen or so. Web of Fire for the 32x is a big one, Acouple of the sports games for the GENESIS & SEGACD are quite rare as well as Keio Flying Squad & Popful Mail. The blockbuster video exclusives are not cheap either. But as I said your not really gonna spend too much getting together most (no all, I said most) genesis games.

As for the N64 give it a few more years and I would expect alot of the titles that are hot now to be about double to triple the price it's just not old enough or a so-called "Classic" system yet. But the N64 I see far more potential for value increase than the GENESIS and I can say that honestly cause I collect GENESIS and I have put together a vast collection of it for next to nothing. Hope my 2 cents helps.

All The Best,

Shawn Sr.

[rhiohki]

I believe Genesis and N64 increase in valuations through a 3-5 year period is MARGINAL at best. You're in the wrong hobby looking to get a good amount of money on games...at least possibly in the wrong platform.

You want to start making some real money....collect Neo Geo AES US games. The market is over-saturated and prices are inflated for some games for the great Neo, but some of the recent English releases like Matrimelee, ROTD, and Metal Slug 3 had only 500 copies produced and already values are getting high for the recently released Neo Geo games. If you are trying to make money from a RBFF2 or a Ninja Master's you would have had to buy them a while back in order to make some serious profit gains, but you never know. A US AOF 3 cart may reach in the $1000 mark as time progresses, so buying it now for $400-500 seems like an investment.. If Neo keeps bringing in new fans and collectors based on the ports to the other mainstream platforms, they wiill see an increase in demand for the actual real deal Neo AES cart. This is coming from a collector stand point. The typical gamer wouldn't probably want the AES cart if he could get the PS2 port or probably couldn't afford the cart in the first place. However, even at the current moment, it's somewhat late in the game for getting into the Neo for sheer profit making. But I digress....

Getting back to your question at hand, I really don't see Genesis values rising over the next 5 years. If it does, it won't be as exponentially great as NES and SNES. Considering values in comparison to the same generation system at that time, the SNES, Genesis games are easier to find in better condition. They didn't have that cardboard box which usually got thrown away when people bought SNES games. Because of this fact, game cartridges were protected better as opposed to battered SNES carts. What does that mean? SNES games are harder to find in superb condition especially with the box. This is just a generalization so there will be games that don't fit under this paradigm such as some of the Japanese Mega Drive games like Eliminate Down, Panorama Cotton, etc. The SNES also had a slew of popular RPGs, which usually dominate the SNES collector market in terms of price flux. Sealed games are even worse. The ratio of sealed games for SNES as opposed to Genesis is really low. I have never really seen a great amount of sealed Genesis games for collectability sake only.

As for N64. Not sure. Honestly, from my perspective, the N64 was Nintendo's worst console and demand for those games haven't really peaked as you can go into most of your run-of-the-mill game retailers and pick them up. It may spark with sealed games, but I think time will tell what exactly pans out in the N64 era. The parallel platform to the N64, the PSX, however, has a great deal of collectability and I think will rise within the next 5 years or so. Mostly because of the RPG lineup. Already games like Persona, Rhapsody, Suikoden II, valkyrie profile, etc. are scoring record prices on ebay. And even thought ebay is a random beast and not the one and only source for market value, it does provide somewhat of a predictor in the market.

All in all man, games are supposed to be played. If you are in this just for the money, no matter what platform, I suggest you give it up and use your money wisely and invest in some stocks, CDs, 401K or even real estate (coming from the east coast this is especially true). You would most likely have a better ROI and feel happier buying games to play and ENJOY. You will get burnt out if you try and collect for every system and spend all of this money and never really play anything. Anyway, enough of the rambling, these are just my personal opinions and I may be assuming that you are just spending a whole bunch of money when you may be doing exactly what I am suggesting. If so, I apologize and good luck in your endeavors.

[brykasch]

Thats kinda what I was thinking, are you playing these games or just getting them for a collections sake? If its just for the monetary thing, then there are much better ways to make money imho than games.

[SegaAges]

from what i have experienced, i have about as many n64 games as i do genesis games (roughly 30).

the n64 games go for much larger amounts of money. if you are into it for a profit, i would say get n64 games. hell man, i can get harvest moon 64 and paper mario both for 64 complete for 30 at the local game store. i know that i will be the only person wanting them, so i can wait it out a little (for those that live in my area, there is no way i am sharing where these titles are located, as I want to buy them within the next month, and we all have our little secrets).

i see n64 as being like the snes. it will never be as big as snes, but since many people didn't save their boxes for their games, it is harder to find complete n64 games than it is to find, say, complete saturn or ps1 games

[Flack]

Moved.

[izret101]

I still sometimes see N64 games priced the same as when they were new. But i have never asked if those were the prices Ii would be charged... i shoud do that.

Genesis is realtively cheap for MOST of the games as previously mentioned.

I have been passing up Genesis games in favor of complete NES games. I know both are going to be there waiting for me to buy but the NES stuff is older and harder to find so i want that first.

I have been debating starting to go more heavily into collecting N64 games because it has a relatively small library and cardboard is never easily kept in good condition meaning the prices will go up in the future for complete copies.
Genesis i have been thinking about getting into because it was my favorite system as a kid and i have so few games for it.

[qbertandernie]

sadly enough, i think the bubbles going to burst within the next few years and we'll see prices back down where they belong...

the current trend is in a bunch of now college kids digging the 'classic' systems...when they leave college i dont think theyll care too much, dump their stuff and drop prices...

not related to value, why would you spend that much money on 1200 games to look at? i dont play mine much but damn. at least i can when i want to.

[Jasoco]

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[v1rich]

I still can't believe that anybody likes any of the N64 games. And if you look in the rarity guide none of them are over R5. Genesis would make a nice complement to the SNES, probably better than N64.

[vulcanjedi]

Greetings programs.

I have almost 140 genesis games. Things sure have changed in the last 7 years with trading and on eBay. I have traded off the better quality stuff I have to get more in playable quantity. Like my Herzog Zwei and Pirates gold and Gunstar heroes were all rentals and have half ripped video store labels. But some had mint manuals that were never touched and I picked up boxes or loose carts and matched them to auction off. 5 years ago it was common to get $70 for a warsong or $50 for a Pirates gold.

So now I limit my Sega collecting to mostly kids games. I just wish I would have waited to pick up some of the games I have. But then they would not have been playing them for the last 2 years so I guess it's a trade off.

One more eBay thought. It's like playing the stock market. If you watch the ups and downs for a few months you can get great deals. For me sticking to a "one bid" policy seems to work.

Just my $0.02

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[Raedon]

Genesis consoles will always be cheap.. there are just way to many of them out there. As for the games, If you are like me they have got to be at leased boxed and the stores throw them away so you will see those go up if anything.

The N64 controllers are junk and fail. This one fact will cause the N64 to be uncollectable unless you get one with a metal analog stick.

[Aussie2B]

I still can't believe that anybody likes any of the N64 games. And if you look in the rarity guide none of them are over R5. Genesis would make a nice complement to the SNES, probably better than N64.

I find it more unbelievable that out of 300 games you can't find a single one to like. o_O

[Promophile]

not related to value, why would you spend that much money on 1200 games to look at? i dont play mine much but damn. at least i can when i want to.

Why spend thousands of dollars buying baseball cards? Why do people keep action figures sealed? You can't do anything but look at them, but that doesn't stop people from doing it. Video games are a very visual medium, even with the packaging. Plus there is just something completely awesome about having a game sealed and untouched by human hands.

[slip81]

I collect for the 64 because it's cheap and I like collecting things. I'll admit that a lot of the games are crap, but there are also a lot of games I like. To me collecting for the 64 for monetary value is kinda pointless. It's considered by many to be Nintendo's worst system and there aren't a whole lot of "classic" games for it. Maybe 10 years from now if game collecting is still popular a handfull of games might fetch $50 or $60 boxed, but that's about it.

If you want to make money with N64 go after import games, some of them can fetch a pretty penny.

[christianscott27]

i dont really care about the cash value a whole lot so from my prespective genesis collecting is a really satisfying thing right now. i love that i'm able to get so many boxed games cheaply and the quality/crap ratio on the gen is pretty respectable. i've pretty much peaked on NES collecting with only 100something to go so its nice to have another system where i can still make regular finds (up to about 300 on the gen). SNES games are just as nice with some really unique titles but more often than not people had small collections so you see the same 20 titles over and over.

i dont know about the N64 yet, obviously hardcore folks like us will take to it but it doesnt have era defining status like the 2600, NES, gen and playstation do. its not really a gamers console like the saturn is, its too popular to be a niche collectible system like the turbo... hmm so i think its gonna be pretty low on the radar, mostly viewed as a kiddy console. the potential for it becoming desirable again happens in 8 years when its core audience hits the late college years and really craves a go at mario64 or goldeneye.

[jdc]

I just dumped my Genesis collection today. 50 games, 2 consoles and peripherals. They were all completes. (relax, they were mainly all commons) I only kept my sealed Genesis Model 2 NFL '94 Gift Set.....Dungeons And Dragons Warriors Of The Eternal Sun....Shining Force....Landstalker....and Sword Of Vermillion (with pack-in guide). I also kept Sonic Spinball. (too much fun to part with). I will now only buy complete Genny RPGs.

My tiny NES collection has too many RPGs to part with.

Why? I needed space, those boxes take up a lot of room.....and I REALLY needed one less thing to bother with. I wanted to kill it before I sank too much money into it. I want my main collecting focus to be the entire North American N64 library. I plan on going more heavily into it during the next year ot two. There's been some unusually strange interest in the N64 lately....rumblings, if you will....and you've gotta make hay while the sun shines. I bought another stack of N64 guides today.....including the rude version of the Conker one, a limited edition Prima Banjo Tooie and also a limited edition Prima DK 64.....both with gold embossed covers.

I also have Cube, PS2 and Dreamcast libraries, but I don't intend to turn them into a collecting focus.

[Ernster]

Ive heard a few times in this thread that the N64 is considered NIntendo's worst console? Surelly once the PS3, N5 etc come out that the GC will be considered Nintendo's worst console? Im pretty sure the GC wont outsell the N64 and the GC is much less competitive than the N64 was in its era, plus N64 games > GC games. :angry:

[XxMe2NiKxX]

As a Genesis collector with a near-complete collection, I find it's my duty to correct something...

The R7's and above are worth a LOT of money. The value to rarity ratio of the Genesis is also more in ballance then the SNES and such, with fairly common titles like Final Fantasy II going for over $50. My theory is that the R4-6 area will depreciate invalue when "temporary collectors " dump their collections (A lot of "temporary" collectors don't bother to hunt for the extremely rare ones, nor do they waste time with the common ones, and instead aim for the rarest they can immediately find), while the commons and extremely rares will shoot up. The reason why Genesis games in the recent years aren't really worth much, again, with the exception of the R7 and above margian is because for the most part, the Genesis was winning the 16-bit battle when it actually mattered, and the common titles were mass produced so much that nothing is really worth anything, and all of the really rare titles were released late in the systems cycle and/or with a limited production run.

[FlufflePuff]

Ive heard a few times in this thread that the N64 is considered NIntendo's worst console? Surelly once the PS3, N5 etc come out that the GC will be considered Nintendo's worst console? Im pretty sure the GC wont outsell the N64 and the GC is much less competitive than the N64 was in its era, plus N64 games > GC games. :angry:

Excluding the Virtual Boy, the N64 was far and away the worst Nintendo console. Not only did it have a very small library of good games, with almost no RPGs, but it had one of the worst controllers in all of console history. And while it is true that the N64 sold more than the GC has, or probably will, it's failure is the reason that the Gamecube was doomed at the start. Nintendo hasn't helped the situation much, but the N64 eroded the fan base enough to hinder the Gamecube's potential success.

[MegaDrive20XX]

Ive heard a few times in this thread that the N64 is considered NIntendo's worst console? Surelly once the PS3, N5 etc come out that the GC will be considered Nintendo's worst console? Im pretty sure the GC wont outsell the N64 and the GC is much less competitive than the N64 was in its era, plus N64 games > GC games. :angry:

Excluding the Virtual Boy, the N64 was far and away the worst Nintendo console. Not only did it have a very small library of good games, with almost no RPGs, but it had one of the worst controllers in all of console history. And while it is true that the N64 sold more than the GC has, or probably will, it's failure is the reason that the Gamecube was doomed at the start. Nintendo hasn't helped the situation much, but the N64 eroded the fan base enough to hinder the Gamecube's potential success.


I wouldnt go that far....the worst was Jaguar in my honest opinion...a phone pad setup...a friggin phone pad ok?

N64 was doomed from the start..I agree...but the game library I wouldnt say was bad...the games are out there, I would say a great 20.

One last thing, I'm so sick of everyone leaning on this RPG issue...it's said and done....Do RPG's by themselves make a good system? No not entirely....Does a wide Variety of games make a system? Yes...

[swlovinist]

I have a fairly large collection and am only 46 games away from my N64 set of 298. All but 20 are complete and I am missing only 6 boxes for the ones I need still. I have over 550 sega genesis games, with only about 100 of the cart only. I agree that Sega Genesis and N64 games WILL go up, and the reason they are low right now is that they are not old enough. I feel that once a system hits the 20 year mark, that is USUALLY when the prices for a complete system go up. As for the gaming being a trend, yes I see that as well, but the poeple that ARE still in it 20 years from now will have more money. Hell, even rare Odyssey 2 games are going up in price, I thought I would never see the day. Why? The system is REALLY old now and you dont find the games and systems like you used to. I bought my Power Lords for $100. Last couple of weeks one went on ebay for $360.00. Like anything collecting for a investment is a gamble, and one I do not recommend. Take Star Wars for example. The original toys became like gold so when the new toys came out, everyone and their mother started collecting. Look at the value of most of the figures now, poop. Collecting video games that are truly rare(Atari Age) will definately go up in value because they are very few rare games that are complete. Back then very few people kmew they would be worth anything. Now, everyone is getting on the scene. I believe that anything made Playstation and onward will be less collectable due to the volume made. A "rare" game now is like a low production run of 20,000 right? I could be wrong, but only time will tell. If you look at other collecting trends, Comics, Cards, Figures, now this, only time will tell if they keep thier value. Collecting only for an investment could have it downside, espically if it ever looses its value.

[Swizzle]

I run a small internet retailer that sells video games. Over the past year we have had a huge jump in the price we are able to charge for Nintendo 64 games - even the common ones. Our prices from distributors have also been dropping over the last year oddly enough. To me the system seems to be doing pretty good right now so I would expect prices in the long term to move up.

Genesis is something we can't do anything with. Theres way too much supply for the demand. The rare games might end up being worth more in the future, but I think rare N64 games will be worth more.

[qbertandernie]

im glad im only missing 4 of the R6 and above games for this system....

now to get them all complete!

[XxMe2NiKxX]

Age isn't the issue. There are extremely valuable SNES games, and Saturn is starting to hit its stride in value.

[Melf]

People dumping their Genesis collections and prices coming down? Good, more games for me! :)

[suppafly]

Ive got 340 genesis games, and MOST of the r6 and greater games. Everything is very cheap. I dont think it will go up in the future...the genesis IS old enough right now

[evilmess]

I suspect that the kids who's first console was an N64 will collect for it in 10 or 15 years when they're older with a disposable income and looking to relive a little bit of their youth.

[XxMe2NiKxX]

A lot of people are collecting Genesis for nostelgia who aren't going to stay in it. That's also why NES prices are steadily dropping, because people are starting to collect it to relieve childhood memories, but they're not going to stay with it, nor are they going to spread to other consoles. The Genesis is expected to shoot up in value in the matter of a few years, as it steadily becomes rarer.

[it290]

The thing about the Genesis is that even though it was a very popular machine, it just doesn't seem to have the prestige that is associated with the NES and SNES for some reason. That's fine with me, as I enjoy getting good games cheap.

As for the N64, there are some carts that will likely increase in value over the next few years (particularly imports, I think), but overall most of the actual good games are very common. Sealed copies of the most beloved N64 titles might fetch a fair price in the future, though.

[Dr. Morbis]

The Genesis is expected to shoot up in value in the matter of a few years, as it steadily becomes rarer.
Why? I don't see this happening at all. The genny is as old as the snes (actually 2 years older). If it hasn't caught on by now, it's not going to. Also, it was the first non-kiddie/cool system, which makes a difference, I think. As for the n64, it will pick up a little bit in 5 to 10 years and probably be a little more popular than the Saturn just because of the "Nintendo factor".

[evilmess]

"Nintendo factor"

The "Nintendo factor" spans all the Ninty consoles and I guess you could even say there's a "Sega factor" for Sega consoles too but the Genesis doesn't seem to have the same "Sega factor" as the Saturn or the DC and Saturn is popular mainly because of the imports than for it's "Sega factor."

Does that even make sense?

For me there's just something special about both of those companies and their contributions to 2d and 3d gaming and video gaming in general.

[dethink]

the genesis was the first "casual" console. it's still more associated with madden, NHL, and sonic than gunstar heroes.

also, as much as i hate to say it, going back on a lot of sega's titles that were developed strictly to counter nintendo, nintendo's titles hold up better. while sonic was "revolutionary" in it's day, after the passage of time, it's nintendo contemporaries (super mario world) AND predecessors still hold up better.

N64 stuff IS going up in value - i had no trouble unloading anything with "mario" in the title for less than $30 (complete, non PC labeled titles) when i sold my 64.

[TheRedEye]

Ive heard a few times in this thread that the N64 is considered NIntendo's worst console? Surelly once the PS3, N5 etc come out that the GC will be considered Nintendo's worst console? Im pretty sure the GC wont outsell the N64 and the GC is much less competitive than the N64 was in its era, plus N64 games > GC games. :angry:

Have you ever made a post that ISN'T retarded?

[Captain Wrong]

One last thing, I'm so sick of everyone leaning on this RPG issue...it's said and done....Do RPG's by themselves make a good system? No not entirely....Does a wide Variety of games make a system? Yes...

Amen to that.

[imanerd0011]

"I dont think it will go up in the future...the genesis IS old enough right now"

That's exactly what I was thinking. I really doubt that the Sega Genesis will ever become collectable like the NES or SNES is right now. I don't really care though, because once I get the majority of the NES games (650-700), I am going to start to collect for the Genesis.

[FlufflePuff]

One last thing, I'm so sick of everyone leaning on this RPG issue...it's said and done....Do RPG's by themselves make a good system? No not entirely....Does a wide Variety of games make a system? Yes...

Amen to that.

See, I would also argue that the N64 did lack a wide variety of games. It had poor mainstream sports games, it lacked the Mature titles that draw people to a system, and it did indeed lack RPGS. Also, I'll agree that the Jaguar controller was worse, as was the 5200 controller. But the N64 controller definately ranks up there.

Finally, I do believe that the value of N64 carts will go up briefly, die down for 5 or so years, then go up again as the N64 kiddies will develop disposable income. The Genesis however will pretty much stay where it is. Durable cases and a stronger intrest in the SNES will keep the Genny pretty much where it is unless an act of god destroys all the worlds Super Nintendos.

[-hellvin-]

I don't see much value in n64 games at all, and don't find them fun to collect IMHO. As for genesis, it's one of the systems I'm trying to complete and it was one I had when I was younger so I enjoy it VERY much. I have nearly 300 complete games for the system and let me tell you some of the games I would recommend keeping an eye out for that you will probably have trouble with:

PIRATE'S GOLD - This one ALWAYS goes REDICULOUSLY high, even loose it hits around 35 dollars. Luckily I found mine complete for 10 at a now closed game store =\.

Arcus Odyssey
Warsong
Phantasy Star IV
Shining Force I & II
Splatterhouse 2 & 3
Action 52
Traysia
General Chaos (Goes a tad bit high, but shouldn't be too hard really)
King's Bounty (not too difficult either, but defenitely get it if you see it complete)
Crusader Of Centy
Rastan Saga II
Streets Of Rage 3
Toejam & Earl
Wardner
Zero: Kamikaze Squirrel

Keep an eye out for those for sure, they're pretty rare and most fetch a pretty high sum. Only thing I hate about genesis right now is I have a fair majority of the games and every game shop near me, I pretty much have everything they have that's complete or boxed, and on ebay most genesis lots are very junky and filled with sports games.

[Amy Rose]

Most people that have posted in this thread have only just started collecting for the Genesis and N64, I've noticed. Most of you have finished collecting for the SNES/NES or Saturn, which are the pricey consoles, right?

Did any of you stop to think that maybe the reason that games are becoming so expensive is BECAUSE people hoard them to sell them later or just keep them to look at? Think about it. You buy 5 copies of, for example, Harvest Moon for N64 (I'm assuming this is rare because it never saw an Australian release) and keep them hidden in storage. No one is playing them. You're denying 5 people a chance of playing the game, and therefore those 5 people will have a bidding war over the one copy that is on eBay. So more people see that as an opportunity to make money, hoard more copies, the same thing happens. It's SO unfair on the people that actually want to PLAY the games.

Decent Gamecube games are impossible to find in stores for this reason in Australia. I know people that go out on launch day and buy 10 copies of say, Ikaruga or Phantasy Star Online: Episodes 1 & 2 so they can keep them stored for a couple of years and then sell them on eBay when they become rare. Same reason that Radiant Silvergun is so expensive. I know of someone that has THREE copies of it and he refuses to put them up on eBay until they go for at least $100 more than they're going for now. The sad part? It'll happen and that will just encourage him to do it more.

... I'll stop ranting now :D

My next rant will probably come along when someone talks about how they found some really great games cheap in a thrift store and are going to sell them on eBay. I HATE people that do that. :P

[Ernster]

Ive heard a few times in this thread that the N64 is considered NIntendo's worst console? Surelly once the PS3, N5 etc come out that the GC will be considered Nintendo's worst console? Im pretty sure the GC wont outsell the N64 and the GC is much less competitive than the N64 was in its era, plus N64 games > GC games. :angry:

Have you ever made a post that ISN'T retarded?

Yes many times believe it or not. :roll: Too bad I cant make a post that's more retarted than yours.

[jonjandran]

My 2 cents :

If you are going to collect video games, collect the rarest games for each system NOW.

The rare games R7-R10 have steadily been increasing in price for the last 3 years. But the price for common games continue to drop. And the trend is going to continue as long as Ebay stays so popuar.

So collect for every system you can , but only collect the rare ones now. And then in a year or two start grabbing the commons which you'll be able to get for less than $1 each.