All these threads prove....

[boatofcar]

....is that the portable market really does belong to the juveniles. Read through the posts in this forum. Never before have I read such utter tripe on Digital Press. I feel like I'm back at work listening to elementary school kids bicker. There are so many other places on the internet to post fanboy ramblings and dissenting remarks about competing products. Don't disgrace DP's good image as a place run "By adults, for adults, no punches pulled."

God, just reading through this forum just makes me sick to my stomach.

[max 330 mega]

i dont even generally bother looking around in this section of DP, like you said its full of fanboys and really ruins all the fun.

[tholly]

i feel the same way....i posted in a few...but, i really only check here at most once a week

there are at least 50 threads saying the exact same thing

ill stick to the other forums where ppl have good, interesting, intellectual things to say

(note, this does not refer to everyone posting here)

[Jive3D]

i dont even generally bother looking around in this section of DP, like you said its full of fanboys and really ruins all the fun.

Then how come you read this post?

But, partially, I do agree. this section of DP was very hot for the first week, but now many of the threads have become slightly pointless.

Out of the many forums that I have checked out, I value this community as a source of, well not the highest :), but a decent amount of integrity and intelligence. It's not GameFaqs or other communitys that I won't name, b/c I don't want to offend anyone.

However - the amount of activity here can not be ignored, people LOVE the DS and are also very excited for the PSP. Since there really is not that much news about these systems in the last 2 weeks, people get bored and post silly shit. So deal with it. unless someone is being an outright asshole to you, why rain on their fanboy parade?

I'm a fanboy. A Videogame fanboy. Got a problem fool? 8-)

[zektor]

....is that the portable market really does belong to the juveniles. Read through the posts in this forum. Never before have I read such utter tripe on Digital Press. I feel like I'm back at work listening to elementary school kids bicker. There are so many other places on the internet to post fanboy ramblings and dissenting remarks about competing products. Don't disgrace DP's good image as a place run "By adults, for adults, no punches pulled."

God, just reading through this forum just makes me sick to my stomach.

Hmm. I would'nt go as far as to say that just the portable market belongs to juveniles. I guarantee that if this forum was "The PS3 and the Xbox 2" you would be reading the same kiddie fanboy bullshit. It just happens with newly released game systems, whether they be portables or otherwise.

That aside, I continue to post here for other reasons. I am certainly not a juvenile (well, maybe a 29 year old kid) and I am no "fanboy" as far as I know. I bought a DS because I love games and I also love portables. I would love to see this forum eventually start focusing on real DS and PSP game discussion...and that'll happen after more games are released and the initial "my system is better than yours" mentality somewhat dies down...after the PSP release of course.

[zmweasel]

....is that the portable market really does belong to the juveniles. Read through the posts in this forum. Never before have I read such utter tripe on Digital Press. I feel like I'm back at work listening to elementary school kids bicker. There are so many other places on the internet to post fanboy ramblings and dissenting remarks about competing products. Don't disgrace DP's good image as a place run "By adults, for adults, no punches pulled."

God, just reading through this forum just makes me sick to my stomach.

You have to expect that the DS/PSP war is going to bring out the fanboys in force. Depending on your perspective, this could be Nintendo's last stand as a hardware manufacturer. For Nintendo-haters, that's a delightful prospect. For Sony-haters, that's a waking nightmare.

I'm surprised you didn't pick up on the forums' plethora of Nintendo fanboys beforehand, though. I don't recall a single GameCube/DS thread in the past year that didn't contain several Nintendo fanboys, usually flying their colors with their usernames, sigs, and avatars.

It makes me long for the days before the web, when I was a moderator on GEnie, a never-significant competitor to CompuServe. People had to pay good money to participate in GEnie's forums, which acted as a natural barrier to fanboyism.

If I was a DP mod, I'd be locking threads and banning fanboys left, right and center. As you say, there are many other places on the web for meaningless tripe. Why not use that mod-power to shape DP's forums into a bastion of intelligence, the gaming equivalent of The WELL?

-- Z.

[digitalpress]

If I was a DP mod, I'd be locking threads and banning fanboys left, right and center. As you say, there are many other places on the web for meaningless tripe. Why not use that mod-power to shape DP's forums into a bastion of intelligence, the gaming equivalent of The WELL?

Because we don't censor people's opinions. You may not like fanboys but they're enthusiastic gamers who have a viewpoint they want to share. It's only harmful to people with low tolerance.

Also note, the forum is "du jour" and will eventually be blown up and scattered into the sea of general forum threads.

[zmweasel]

Because we don't censor people's opinions. You may not like fanboys but they're enthusiastic gamers who have a viewpoint they want to share. It's only harmful to people with low tolerance.

You wouldn't be censoring anyone's opinions. If Nintendo fanboys want to discuss the construction of a time machine with which they can go back to 1954 and kill Ken Kutaragi's mother so that he's never born, they can use the GameFAQs forums, or Usenet, or personal blogs, or any of a thousand other places.

At the very least, I'd like to see the DP mods get much more aggro about swiftly shutting down threads that degenerate into fanboyism or personal attacks, which includes virtually everything about the modern-day Nintendo. You got rid of the Battlezone, which was a positive step; why not extend that no-assholiness policy to every forum?

I have no problem with people who intelligently argue about why a certain system or company is better, but fanboys substitute passion for intellect, and I'll always take a handful of lendelins over a gaggle of NvrMores and Zubiac666s.

Please don't misunderstand. I dig the DP forums a lot, and they're the only ones I frequent. I've had some great convos here, and learned much about the hobby. I try to practice what I preach. I try to avoid +1s. I try to supply the facts behind my opinions. I try to chase away fanboys when I can, or at least point out their silliness.

Maybe I just miss having the power to make even a small difference in the quality of the online experience.

-- Z.

[digitalpress]

Well Zach, it just isn't going to happen. I'm not crazy about it either but I'm simply not going to get into the business of what is and what isn't "intelligent conversation". I don't think even the moderating team can agree on what that is. As such, "fanboyism" will continue - it's really just a matter of the "intelligent" people stepping up and providing meaningful counterpoints or simply letting it go.

As for personal attacks, those will continue to be shut down as they're revealed. I don't read this particular forum frequently because it bores me, but if you (or anyone else) point me to personal attacks I'll be happy to lock them up.

[zmweasel]

Well Zach, it just isn't going to happen. I'm not crazy about it either but I'm simply not going to get into the business of what is and what isn't "intelligent conversation". I don't think even the moderating team can agree on what that is. As such, "fanboyism" will continue - it's really just a matter of the "intelligent" people stepping up and providing meaningful counterpoints or simply letting it go.

I'll do what I can. :) Thanks for hearing me out.

-- Z.

[CAR25]

....is that the portable market really does belong to the juveniles. Read through the posts in this forum. Never before have I read such utter tripe on Digital Press. I feel like I'm back at work listening to elementary school kids bicker. There are so many other places on the internet to post fanboy ramblings and dissenting remarks about competing products. Don't disgrace DP's good image as a place run "By adults, for adults, no punches pulled."

God, just reading through this forum just makes me sick to my stomach.

It's not that bad here IMO... you need to check out www.gamefaqs.com and then you will really see how bad stupid fanboyish threads will get... on both sides too.

[Promophile]

I don't recall a single GameCube/DS thread in the past year that didn't contain several Nintendo fanboys, usually flying their colors with their usernames, sigs, and avatars.

And I don't remeber a single Gamecube thead in the past year without 50 people saying "the GC is kiddy" no matter what the topic is.

[Ed Oscuro]

And I don't remeber a single Gamecube thead in the past year without 50 people saying "the GC is kiddy" no matter what the topic is.
I'm glad you brought that up, Mr. Earthbound. The majority of times I've seen that point - or opinion, depending on your point of reference, I suppose - brought up has been when discussing Nintendo's marketing strategy. It seems to me that the "anti-Nintendo" folks are much less likely to be foaming at the mouth than the anti-Sony or anti-Microsoft crowd who.

Think about it - it's true. At worst, somebody has bashed the system because "it's got kiddie games, not for me," whereas a lot of the pro-Big N folks treat this like a religious war.

[zmweasel]

I'm glad you brought that up, Mr. Earthbound. The majority of times I've seen that point - or opinion, depending on your point of reference, I suppose - brought up has been when discussing Nintendo's marketing strategy.

Yep. And that particular point always sticks in the craw of Nintendo fanboys, because it infers that they themselves are infantile for attaching their egos to a game company which owes its success to childrens' franchises.


Think about it - it's true. At worst, somebody has bashed the system because "it's got kiddie games, not for me," whereas a lot of the pro-Big N folks treat this like a religious war.

Right. One of my favorites is when Nintendo fanboys decry the popularity of the PlayStation because it made it video gaming an activity accepted by the mainstream. And, of course, that's ludicrous--Atari and Nintendo were also entirely mainstream consoles.

The difference is that the PlayStation made video gaming an activity accepted and enjoyed by teenagers and grown-ups. It invited the cool kids to the geek party, and the geeks are pissed.

-- Z.

[Promophile]

And I don't remeber a single Gamecube thead in the past year without 50 people saying "the GC is kiddy" no matter what the topic is.
I'm glad you brought that up, Mr. Earthbound. The majority of times I've seen that point - or opinion, depending on your point of reference, I suppose - brought up has been when discussing Nintendo's marketing strategy. It seems to me that the "anti-Nintendo" folks are much less likely to be foaming at the mouth than the anti-Sony or anti-Microsoft crowd who.

Think about it - it's true. At worst, somebody has bashed the system because "it's got kiddie games, not for me," whereas a lot of the pro-Big N folks treat this like a religious war.

If you look carefully you can find rabid fanboyism on both sides. Lots of people are so embarassed about playing a game with colorful graphics that they miss out on lots of great games, like Animal Crossing for example. It seems Nintendo is trying to erase the kiddy image now, with games like Metroid 2 and Resident Evil 4. Personally I own only 8 GC games, and about 30 PS2 games and 20 X-box games. If there is a multi-platform game I want I almost always get it for the X-box, due to the improved graphics and added features. So I'm not really a fanboy of any system, except maybe the Saturn :) .

[zmweasel]

If you look carefully you can find rabid fanboyism on both sides. Lots of people are so embarassed about playing a game with colorful graphics that they miss out on lots of great games, like Animal Crossing for example.

I wouldn't call it "embarrassment." I'm not embarrassed because I don't watch Saturday-morning cartoons, and I'm not embarrassed because I don't enjoy games with happy-bouncy cartoon characters.

It's a tricky thing to appeal to all ages. Katamari Damacy does it. ToeJam & Earl does it. "The Incredibles" does it. Mario doesn't do it.

-- Z.

[jonjandran]

It's a tricky thing to appeal to all ages. Katamari Damacy does it. "The Incredibles" does it. Mario doesn't do it.

-- Z.

What ?

I've had 70 year olds buy my old Nes and Snes just to play Mario. My mom and dad used to play it when they were in their late forty's.
My wifes mom used to play it when we were dating. (my wife and I, not her mom LOL ).

Once again I'll have to disagree with you.

[zmweasel]

It's a tricky thing to appeal to all ages. Katamari Damacy does it. "The Incredibles" does it. Mario doesn't do it.

-- Z.

What ?

I've had 70 year olds buy my old Nes and Snes just to play Mario. My mom and dad used to play it when they were in their late forty's.
My wifes mom used to play it when we were dating. (my wife and I, not her mom LOL ).

Once again I'll have to disagree with you.

Interesting that your anecotes cite several women, and older people. Why are they more willing to embrace Mario than teenage and 20-something males? I'm sure Nintendo would like to know.

-- Z.

[jonjandran]

Interesting that your anecotes cite several women, and older people. Why are they more willing to embrace Mario than teenage and 20-something males? I'm sure Nintendo would like to know.

-- Z.

I was just listing "older" examples.

I personally know over 30 Teenage-30 yearold guys that play Mario games all the time.

I really don't know where you're going with this. Maybe you meant "Pokemon" instead of "Mario" ?

[zmweasel]

Interesting that your anecotes cite several women, and older people. Why are they more willing to embrace Mario than teenage and 20-something males? I'm sure Nintendo would like to know.

-- Z.

I was just listing "older" examples.

I personally know over 30 Teenage-30 yearold guys that play Mario games all the time.

I really don't know where you're going with this. Maybe you meant "Pokemon" instead of "Mario" ?

Pokemon is another of Nintendo's franchises for children, although there are adults who play it, just as there are adults who play Mario. But Mario and Pokemon certainly aren't targeted at teenagers and adults, and the vast majority of people who play(ed) Mario and Pokemon are children. I'm surprised that you would even attempt to dispute this, your anecdotes nonwithstanding.

-- Z.

[jonjandran]

Pokemon is another of Nintendo's franchises for children, although there are adults who play it, just as there are adults who play Mario. But Mario and Pokemon certainly aren't targeted at teenagers and adults, and the vast majority of people who play(ed) Mario and Pokemon are children. I'm surprised that you would even attempt to dispute this, your anecdotes nonwithstanding.

-- Z.

Oh , I'm not disputing who Nintendo targets. I'm just saying that of all the people I'm acquainted with , the majority who play Mario games are adults. The kids I know could care less about Mario, they love Pokemon, Digiman, Yu-Gi-Oh, etc.

[Promophile]

If you look carefully you can find rabid fanboyism on both sides. Lots of people are so embarassed about playing a game with colorful graphics that they miss out on lots of great games, like Animal Crossing for example.

I wouldn't call it "embarrassment." I'm not embarrassed because I don't watch Saturday-morning cartoons, and I'm not embarrassed because I don't enjoy games with happy-bouncy cartoon characters.


Err let me rephrase that, I was sleepy when I typed it. Lots of people are afraid of people catching them playing / owning a game like Animal Crossing, and the embarassment that would ensue.

[Voonplatz]

Oh, the irony of this thread. LOL

[badinsults]

Oh, the irony of this thread. LOL

I know. Zach hides behind the facade that he is partial to all systems, when it is pretty evident he is a Sony fanyboy. If it was not true, he would never have posted beyond his first thread.

[Blendo75]

It's a tricky thing to appeal to all ages. Katamari Damacy does it. ToeJam & Earl does it. "The Incredibles" does it. Mario doesn't do it.

-- Z.

You forgot to put "IMHO" at the end of that sentence. It's all personal taste.

[Ed Oscuro]

I'm not sure The Incredibles appeals to me or many people in my age bracket (or younger, anyways), but all I've seen are cereal boxes so far.

As for the IMHO bit...no, it either DOES or it DOES NOT appeal to all ages - that is, the majority of gamers in each age bracket. Having hardcore pro-Mario groups isn't the same as having mass-market appeal.

[ianoid]

Well Zach, it just isn't going to happen. I'm not crazy about it either but I'm simply not going to get into the business of what is and what isn't "intelligent conversation".

Ah, the reason we're here, and the reason that it's hard to keep a forum on the up and up.

Once you reach a threshold of members, the percentage of 1 dimensional posts gets high enough to influence threads as a whole. The forums were more fun way back when, but hopefully the healthy attitude will discourage the dull and ignorant and we can move forward happily.

[zmweasel]

Oh, the irony of this thread. LOL

I know. Zach hides behind the facade that he is partial to all systems, when it is pretty evident he is a Sony fanyboy. If it was not true, he would never have posted beyond his first thread.

You're calling me a fanboy because I post multiple times in a single thread to engage in exchanges of opinion? What the hell is wrong with you?

-- Z.

[zmweasel]

It's a tricky thing to appeal to all ages. Katamari Damacy does it. ToeJam & Earl does it. "The Incredibles" does it. Mario doesn't do it.

-- Z.

You forgot to put "IMHO" at the end of that sentence. It's all personal taste.

I don't put "IMHO" in any of my posts because I refuse to acknowledge the existence of anyone who's too stupid to comprehend when I'm expressing a personal opinion.

-- Z.

[jonjandran]

I don't put "IMHO" in any of my posts because I refuse to acknowledge the existence of anyone who's too stupid to comprehend when I'm expressing a personal opinion.

-- Z.

There is no spoon. :)

[portnoyd]

I know. Zach hides behind the facade that he is partial to all systems, when it is pretty evident he is a Sony fanyboy. If it was not true, he would never have posted beyond his first thread.

You're calling me a fanboy because I post multiple times in a single thread to engage in exchanges of opinion? What the hell is wrong with you?

You can give it, but you suuuure can't take it. Sony fanboy is too harsh, but you DO have a bias against Nintendo.

dave

[SoulBlazer]

Can you blame Zach if he does? Think about his line of work and where he gets his money from. It sure as hell ain't Nintendo, who seem to treat everyone outside of their company like crap except for a few elite people.

[zmweasel]

I know. Zach hides behind the facade that he is partial to all systems, when it is pretty evident he is a Sony fanyboy. If it was not true, he would never have posted beyond his first thread.

You're calling me a fanboy because I post multiple times in a single thread to engage in exchanges of opinion? What the hell is wrong with you?

You can give it, but you suuuure can't take it. Sony fanboy is too harsh, but you DO have a bias against Nintendo.

dave

As I've explained many, many times in these forums, Dave, I don't have a bias for or against any company. Freelancing was never more lucrative or enjoyable for me than in the early '90s, when everyone on the planet was producing a video game console. I benefit from Nintendo's existence as a competitive company as both a professional journalist and as a gamer.

If you're unable to tell the difference between my professional opinions about a company's business decisions, and my personal opinions about a company's games, that's your problem. If you're reading an anti-Nintendo "bias" into my comments, you're (mis)interpreting them from your Nintendo-fanboy POV.

-- Z.

[portnoyd]

You can give it, but you suuuure can't take it. Sony fanboy is too harsh, but you DO have a bias against Nintendo.

As I've explained many, many times in these forums, Dave, I don't have a bias for or against any company. Freelancing was never more lucrative or enjoyable for me than in the early '90s, when everyone on the planet was producing a video game console. I benefit from Nintendo's existence as a competitive company as both a professional journalist and as a gamer.

If you're unable to tell the difference between my professional opinions about a company's business decisions, and my personal opinions about a company's games, that's your problem. If you're reading an anti-Nintendo "bias" into my comments, you're (mis)interpreting them from your Nintendo-fanboy POV.

Oh zing.

Hey, I don't deny it. I think anyone on this board knows that. I'm not ravenously fanboy like some, go through my posts man. But I grew up on Nintendo, and I like to see it succeed. It doesn't mean I won't play Sony or Microsoft systems, or even get the GC copy of a triple system game, but I'd rather see Nintendo keep going. Here, is this what you're looking for?

- NOA did a semi-good thing by being nazis in the NES era. This tactic then proceeded to put them on life support.
- The DS is cute, but it was probably a bad fucking idea.
- The PSP looks great, and the DS was a bad fucking counter to it.
- Nintendo has had a lot of bad fucking ideas.
- Yes, I read Game Over, three times.
- The Cube is geared towards kids. Purple? Oh come fucking on.
- NOA is basically out of the console business sooner than later.
- NOA hasn't had a good controller since the SNES.

But here's a bone for you to latch on and shred, with all this, if NOA leaves the console business, the games will just go to another system. So why don't I let NOA keep doing what they're doing. There's the pure fanboyism you want. They can go just like Sega, and keep pumping out their titles and addons for PS2 or XBox or something, same effect. No change really. So it's not on a NOA system on a NOA controller, it's still the games I like, I can still play them - why have a problem?

... but then why do I want them to succeed if it's not necessary? *shrug* Mindless fanboyism.

But, back to my point - as usual, you just go for the attack, hoping to drive out the fanboyism, you take charge, rip into the person, going to for whatever you can scavenge, from being beat up in high school or provoking someone to get their picture as a source of ridicule. Hey, I'm not saying I don't do it myself. My girlfriend thought I was a total asshole at first glance! But if you don't want me to mix up your professional and personal comments, don't make personal attacks.

But Zach, tis the season, so here you go:

I'M NOT A FANBOY DS WILL CRUSH THE PSP AND YOU CANT DENY IT NOA PWNES HANDHELDS WHATS THIS THREAD ABOUT - NEEEENTENDOOOO OMG MY NOSE IS BLEEDING *FAINTS* *DIES* *RISES FROM THE GRAVE AND HUGS HIS CUBE*

dave

edit: How can I forget the purpleness?

[MegaDrive20XX]

Mr. portnoyd, you have my deepest respect for speaking the cold hard truth.

Out of all the sarcasm in your statement, there is the truth...plain and simple

[SoulBlazer]

And sarcasam does not become you, either. :roll:

[portnoyd]

And sarcasam does not become you, either. :roll:

I'm not following you.

[zmweasel]

Hey, I don't deny it. I think anyone on this board knows that. I'm not ravenously fanboy like some, go through my posts man. But I grew up on Nintendo, and I like to see it succeed. It doesn't mean I won't play Sony or Microsoft systems, or even get the GC copy of a triple system game, but I'd rather see Nintendo keep going. Here, is this what you're looking for?

I'm not looking for anything but intelligent conversation, Dave. But fanboyism has made it exceptionally difficult to find.


But if you don't want me to mix up your professional and personal comments, don't make personal attacks.

I don't attack anyone who doesn't attack me first, Dave. Address me with respect, and you'll get my respect in kind. Come at me with a 'tude, and you'll get a fistful in return.

-- Z.

[jonjandran]

I don't attack anyone who doesn't attack me first, Dave. Address me with respect, and you'll get my respect in kind. Come at me with a 'tude, and you'll get a fistful in return.

-- Z.

I'll take my ball and go home. :)

[Ed Oscuro]

I'M NOT A FANBOY DS WILL CRUSH THE PSP AND YOU CANT DENY IT ... *FAINTS* *DIES* *RISES FROM THE GRAVE AND HUGS HIS CUBE*
closet sega fanboy right there

[zmweasel]

I don't attack anyone who doesn't attack me first, Dave. Address me with respect, and you'll get my respect in kind. Come at me with a 'tude, and you'll get a fistful in return.

-- Z.

I'll take my ball and go home. :)

What do you mean? I understood your Matrix reference, odd though it was, but this one is under my feet.

-- Z.

[SoulBlazer]

Even super ghouls and ghosts reconized the sarcasam in your post, port. Come on, now. There's no need to stoop to these levels of petty attacks. There's been WAY too much if it going on around here these days, and I'm getting sick of it. I thought it was susposed to be the holidays? :/

[jonjandran]

What do you mean? I understood your Matrix reference, odd though it was, but this one is under my feet.

-- Z.

I'm just joking around. I've been in a good mood lately. :D

It's just your post sounded a little juvenile to me. Kinda like when you're playing ball with someone and they get mad and say " well I'll just take my ball and go home "

But really I'm just messing around. It wasn't meant to be personal. :)

[portnoyd]

Even super ghouls and ghosts reconized the sarcasam in your post, port. Come on, now. There's no need to stoop to these levels of petty attacks. There's been WAY too much if it going on around here these days, and I'm getting sick of it. I thought it was susposed to be the holidays? :/

I'm not following you.

[zmweasel]

I'm just joking around. I've been in a good mood lately. :D

It's just your post sounded a little juvenile to me. Kinda like when you're playing ball with someone and they get mad and say " well I'll just take my ball and go home "

But really I'm just messing around. It wasn't meant to be personal. :)

Juvenile? Not at all. I'm just explaining my approach to online interaction. Act like a child, and I'll treat you like a child. Act like a grown-up, and I'll treat you like a grown-up. I haven't wavered from that approach in 20 years. It's just that, 20 years ago, the level of online discourse was *much* higher.

-- Z.

[Voonplatz]

I'm not following you.

http://img57.exs.cx/img57/791/16294827ob.gif

[portnoyd]

I don't attack anyone who doesn't attack me first, Dave. Address me with respect, and you'll get my respect in kind. Come at me with a 'tude, and you'll get a fistful in return.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but it seems that your definition of attitude is just someone coming at you with something you don't agree with or don't like. If that's attitude here, then you're going to come back every time with some of your own attitude, which is more close to the real definition of it, which, from what I've seen, isn't too far off.

If you want to be addressed with respect, then you should deal here with respect to others. I'm an asshole here, so I don't really care if people do or do not respect me... but if you want it man, you have to act it from the get go. If someone calls you an idiot, then that's understandable, but if they're trying to make a point, and you just don't like it, or in some cases, they're blatantly wrong (sadly... more often than not), don't rip them apart and take advantage of them to do so, if you want to be addressed with respect.

But back to the point I was trying to make before I got (rightfully) accused of being a fanboy, I feel that you have a bias against Nintendo. I know you like facts towards any argument, but I don't think any point is worth making if I have to comb through 1200 of your posts to do so. I know it's a copout, but that opinion is based on just what I've seen and heard. Hey, if you want, disprove it with your post log, fine by me.

dave

[portnoyd]

http://img57.exs.cx/img57/791/16294827ob.gif

I'm not following you.

[Eternal Tune]

edit: How can I forget the purpleness?

Indigo?

[Voonplatz]

edit: How can I forget the purpleness?

Indigo?

Indigo is just a fancy way of saying "purple". :drinking:

[zmweasel]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but it seems that your definition of attitude is just someone coming at you with something you don't agree with or don't like. If that's attitude here, then you're going to come back every time with some of your own attitude, which is more close to the real definition of it, which, from what I've seen, isn't too far off.

You are indeed misunderstanding me, Dave. I don't have a problem with disagreements. I do have a problem with people who use emotion instead of facts to form their opinions, or who disagree simply because they're fanboys, or who get pissy because I don't use "IMHOs" or smiley faces or otherwise soften my statements when I challenge their opinions.


If you want to be addressed with respect, then you should deal here with respect to others. I'm an asshole here, so I don't really care if people do or do not respect me... but if you want it man, you have to act it from the get go. If someone calls you an idiot, then that's understandable, but if they're trying to make a point, and you just don't like it, or in some cases, they're blatantly wrong (sadly... more often than not), don't rip them apart and take advantage of them to do so, if you want to be addressed with respect.

This parargraph is an overcomplicated rephrasing of what I've already plainly stated, Dave.


But back to the point I was trying to make before I got (rightfully) accused of being a fanboy, I feel that you have a bias against Nintendo. I know you like facts towards any argument, but I don't think any point is worth making if I have to comb through 1200 of your posts to do so. I know it's a copout, but that opinion is based on just what I've seen and heard. Hey, if you want, disprove it with your post log, fine by me.

You're right, Dave. It is a cop-out. You're unable or unwilling to back up a statement with which I totally disagree. I've plainly explained why your statement is untrue, but I'll go into further detail.

One of my favorite PR people works at Golin/Harris, Nintendo's PR firm. The first strategy guide I ever wrote was Nintendo Games Secrets. The best-selling guides I've ever written were for Super Mario World and The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past. I have no beef with Nintendo, and no bias against Nintendo. Nintendo has brought me a lot of fun and made me a lot of money.

When, for example, I say the DS was obviously rushed to market, I'm not trying to "slam" Nintendo. I'm basing my statement on facts. The DS was announced in January of this year (more than six months after the PSP's announcement) and shipped in November (a month before the PSP's Japanese launch). The DS's external design was totally revamped after E3. There were five games available at launch. All these facts go into the formation of my opinion.

You also seem to be about the only veteran of the DP forums who missed my rant about Sony's quality-assurance department, which attracted the attention of a CGE alumnus who works at Sony. He certainly didn't perceive me as being pro-Sony or anti-Nintendo.

I use my 17 years of game-journo experience, "inside" knowledge, and common sense to form my opinions. There's no anti-Nintendo bias involved.

-- Z.

[RCM]

It's fine to be biased. It's not fine to be unfair. There is a place for fanboys. I admire their passion. I pity them for shutting out anything that doesn't have Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft's name slapped on it. In a lot of ways fanboys opinions on videogames are invalid because they are unfair to everything but the company they worship. Sorry gents, but it's true!

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[digitalpress]

This got ugly in a hurry, didn't it?

Can we talk about the DS or the PSP and skip the personal attacks here?

Thank you.