Wow, they're Getting Blatant Nowadays

[Griking]

But at least he's honest about it (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8154147971)

[drummy]

Wow....does he really think someone will buy them?

[SoulBlazer]

Countdown before this auction gets yanked.....3.....2.....1.....

[suppafly]

its still on...

[MarioAllStar2600]

Good! Although it's illegal and whatnot it's not a big deal. At least some little kid isn't getting scamed for a christmas present. I think ebay should keep it, people are going to steal games like that anyway, at least this guys open about it.

[imanerd0011]

Personally I don't see anything wrong with the auction , because he states all over that these AREN'T the real games. The only thing I don't like is that he shows pictures of real games, and some complete idiot might just look at the pics and buy it without reading everything, but that is there dumb fault anyway. I didn't even know that burning PS2 games was possible, I guess that shows how up to date I am with the newer consoles. :P

[SoulBlazer]

While I happen to agree with you, you still should'nt be allowed to buy burned copies of games when the real one is still comonly available. I was a mod for a long time over at the Home of the Underdogs and we always tried to only host games that were no longer being made or sold.

[downfall]

Yeah, I too am very suprised that this is still up there.

If ebay doesn't pull this auction, and people get wind of it, then I can see a lot more of this type stuff happening.

I can't understand why they wouldn't pull it though, especially when they pull modded systems and pirate systems.

[Zing]

Topics > eBay Policies > Prohibited and Restricted Items > Unauthorized Copies


Do not list unauthorized (such as pirated, duplicated, backup, bootleg, and so forth) copies of software programs, video games, music albums, movies, television programs, or photographs on eBay.

Reported.

[Flack]

I really can't believe those of you who don't see a problem with this auction. Especially you, Marty ... didn't you go on for a month or two about how someone stole YOUR wallet and some of YOUR games? I guess that's okay now, since people are going to steal anyway ...

[Gemini-Phoenix]

HA! I am surprised eBay haven't jumped on this auction and yanked it off already!!! What with all those keywords in it...


And what is th elikelyhood of someone else owning 200+ original versions? And who want's all of them backed up! Lol!


Good if you have a spare 24 hours to test the games though (The legal time you can hold a copied disc before destroying it if you don't own the original)


Even the people selling modded Xbox's are starting to become more blatent about it!

[-hellvin-]

He sure is honest about it

But there's one problem

It's illegal to recopy another person's work and sell it for profit

[Griking]

Good if you have a spare 24 hours to test the games though (The legal time you can hold a copied disc before destroying it if you don't own the original)

Actually the 24hr rule thing is only a myth. There is no law that allows you to keep a bootleg or a rom of a game that you don't have for only 24hrs. If its a bootleg then its illegal and you're not supposed to have it for any amount of time.

BTW, is that bogus bid one of you guys having fun w/ the seller?

[Promophile]

Good if you have a spare 24 hours to test the games though (The legal time you can hold a copied disc before destroying it if you don't own the original)


Thats a myth made up by thieves to justify what they're doing.

[jonjandran]

Good if you have a spare 24 hours to test the games though (The legal time you can hold a copied disc before destroying it if you don't own the original)

Actually the 24hr rule thing is only a myth. There is no law that allows you to keep a bootleg or a rom of a game that you don't have for only 24hrs. If its a bootleg then its illegal and you're not supposed to have it for any amount of time.
?

Exactly.... It's not even legal to download a rom if you own the game.

And it's still being questioned as to the legality of backing up a game that you own. But they did rule on DVD backing up didn't they. You can do it but you just can't make or use a program that does it. LOL

[Griking]

Here's (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8154346545&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT) another one that's pretty blatany but clear in what we was selling. I can understand a buyer bidding on this one actually as the price is reasonable and they can be a bitch to collect if you're on a 56k connection.

[Ed Oscuro]

And it's still being questioned as to the legality of backing up a game that you own.
In fact, it wasn't completely a given in Japan that you'd have the right to resell your own game (though that was ruled on) - some videogame manufacturer or other wanted to challenge that.

Basically, you have NO rights to screw game makers over, and you usually can't do things you'd like to.

[vulcanjedi]

Good if you have a spare 24 hours to test the games though (The legal time you can hold a copied disc before destroying it if you don't own the original)

Actually the 24hr rule thing is only a myth. There is no law that allows you to keep a bootleg or a rom of a game that you don't have for only 24hrs. If its a bootleg then its illegal and you're not supposed to have it for any amount of time.
?

Exactly.... It's not even legal to download a rom if you own the game.

And it's still being questioned as to the legality of backing up a game that you own. But they did rule on DVD backing up didn't they. You can do it but you just can't make or use a program that does it. LOL


Greetings programs.

It is legal to download ROMS in many situations thanks to the amendments to the digital millennium copyright act.

Check out the official word.
http://www.copyright.gov/1201/

This however does not apply to any games for any system still being made.

:)
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[Ed Oscuro]

Long time no see, Vulcan Jedi!

However, I'm sorry to say that you're wrong. That amendment lets you break copy protection on "obsolete" systems, however you define that; nothing about backups whatsoever. Sorry :(

[vulcanjedi]

Long time no see, Vulcan Jedi!

However, I'm sorry to say that you're wrong. That amendment lets you break copy protection on "obsolete" systems, however you define that; nothing about backups whatsoever. Sorry :(

My bad for forgetting ROMS can also be CD :)

I was referring to rom dumps like carts and arcade boards.

If the copyright holder decides to license the code to use on a currently produced system like all the new stand alone TV systems then all of a sudden atari 2600 ROMS are now off limits again.

Ebay seems to be very slow in dumping these auctions though. I wonder if they ever let some of them go through so they can get busted?

Later
VJ

[Ed Oscuro]

If the copyright holder decides to license the code to use on a currently produced system like all the new stand alone TV systems then all of a sudden atari 2600 ROMS are now off limits again.
No, you don't understand what I am saying. The ROMs are COPYRIGHTED; you cannot freely distribute them. The ruling only applies to cracking copyright protection on software you already own.

Unless a game is produced before the Bern Convention was adopted by the U.S., a company doesn't even need to post a copyright notice on their software to be able to enjoy the right to copy (copyright is just that, you know).

The difference between "Copy protection" and "Copyright" is very significant.

[jonjandran]

It's like beating a dead horse.

If people want an exuse to do something illegal or wrong , they will find one. And they'll spout off a lot of BS to justify it.

And then as they are being dragged kicking and screaming to jail, or a courthouse, they'll still try to justify it.

[vulcanjedi]

Yes I am aware of the differences. There is also a difference between what is legal and what is not illegal..

That amendment was mainly designed to prevent obsolete archives of copyrighted material from being lost. Thankfully so if I wanted to buy an arcade style mame cabinet to be able to play altered beast or shinobi (the 2 system 16 boards I own) I can.

Looks like eBay finally pulled it.

One other thing that gets me is how can they sell the super power play 76000 in one joystick on ebay and like my Mother in law paid $49.99 for it at the mall when it is 76 different pirated NES games.
The don't allow multi-carts so how can they allow that? I thought Nintendo always went after those. I wonder if nintendo gets kickbacks? :)

VJ

[ddockery]

You can legally build a MAME machine to play the games you actually own the boards to, but technically you're supposed to dump the boards you have, not download some else's dump.

[Ed Oscuro]

That amendment was mainly designed to prevent obsolete archives of copyrighted material from being lost. Thankfully so if I wanted to buy an arcade style mame cabinet to be able to play altered beast or shinobi (the 2 system 16 boards I own) I can.
Big difference between owning one yourself and telling everybody they can do it, too! :P


The don't allow multi-carts so how can they allow that? I thought Nintendo always went after those. I wonder if nintendo gets kickbacks? :)
They've brought a legal action within the last few weeks against a group out in Seattle, I believe. So yes, they're definitely going after those groups.

[Flack]

Ebay seems to be very slow in dumping these auctions though. I wonder if they ever let some of them go through so they can get busted?

Unfortunately, I think they're getting slower just because there are so many of them now.

[rpepper9]

Can anyone give a re-cap on what the auction was. Even though this thread has gone off in a different direction, the link points to an invalid item. :/

[Flack]

Can anyone give a re-cap on what the auction was. Even though this thread has gone off in a different direction, the link points to an invalid item. :/

The auction said, "I'm selling 200 PS2 backups." Then it had a picture of original games and it said, "you won't be getting original games, pay no attention to these pictures, you'll be getting 200 CDR's on two spindles."

[rpepper9]

Now that is blatent. I didn't even think that there was 200 different PS2 games that were on the CD media. I kinda thought that most of them were DVD disks.

[jonjandran]

Now that is blatent. I didn't even think that there was 200 different PS2 games that were on the CD media. I kinda thought that most of them were DVD disks.

Rips.... Almost all Dvd PS2 games have been ripped to fit on CD-R

[Ed Oscuro]

Rips.... Almost all Dvd PS2 games have been ripped to fit on CD-R
Movies were made lower quality? Are they just stored on the CD-R (RARed or ZIPped)? Hmm, interesting.

[jonjandran]

Movies ripped out, music ripped out , etc.....

But hey, for some people all that matters is playing the game for for free and not having to D-Load 5 gigs.... O_O