Will the PS3 Ruin Gaming Forever?

[ManciGames]

So, I was at work yesterday and and friend of mine starts on me about the future of my massive DVD collection. He tells me I'm wasting my hard-earned cash and that it will be obsolete within a year. The reason? Well, HD-DVD of course!

I calmly explained to him that, yes, HD-DVD and Blu-ray will both be on the market by this time next year, but that, no, my DVD collection will not be obsolete anytime soon.

Anyway, one thing lead to another and he mentioned that Sony was packing Blu-ray into the PS3. This got me to thinking about quite a few things. First I pondered the price: It WILL be $500, regardless of what others may have said in the past. Sony's Blue-ray players are slated to launch at around $1,600 to $2,000, so $500 seems to be a reasonable "cheap" alternative.

Then I pondered the reasons why Blue-ray will be in the PS3 and why Sony is willing to take a massive loss on the $500 price. Here's my conclusion. Agree or argue with this as you will:

High Definition home video will be "the next big thing". Once HDTV is the standard, most people will want an HD player to hook up to that HDTV. Now, there's going to be a lot of cash for the company that can lock down the standard. The are tons more DVDs sold each year than video games. And if Sony could charge every company a licensing fee for each disc...well...you see what I mean.

In one corner we have Toshiba's "HD-DVD". In the other, we have Sony's "Blue-ray." Sony knows that the PS3 will guarantee at least 3 million or so Blue-ray "early adopters." Early adopters who will need movies. And so, movie companies will be forced to make blue-ray movies in order to sell their products to people with HDTVs. The PS3 is a Trojan-horse.

Okay, now here's where I wonder if the PS3 could ruin gaming forever: Let's hypothesize that the PS3 wins the next round. Let's also say that Nintendo and MS see the writing on the wall and call it quits. Now, all we're left with is the Trojan-horse system. The PS3. Sony has used the PS3 to do two things: win the HD race, and win the console race. Each one feeding off of the other.

What happens when there's only one console manufacturer? Do will still get new systems every 5 years? Heck, do we even WANT new systems every 5 years? How will hardware continue to innovate if there is no need to evolve?

JUST TO BE CLEAR (because you never know on DP): I'm not saying MS and Nintendo will bow out. I'm saying, "What if?"

<suit armed. commence flaming>

[jdc]

I don't think that there's any cause for alarm. Each of the 3 big console makers could have systems with entirely different media types and people will still buy and support all 3. The Cube's kind of weird with it's 3" optical discs, but it still sells.

All that I know is that I'll buy what ever is put in front of me when the time comes. If it ends up failing, I'll worry about it then. In the future we could all be back to playing carts. Who knows.

[Habeeb Hamusta]

Well, I don't even know what blue-ray is. What is it? Sorry, I live under a rock when it comes to new innovations in technology.

[Cmosfm]

Well, just like VHS, one day DVD will eventually go down the shitter....but I don't believe that the consumer is ready for that yet, and I don't think they will be ready for another 10-15 years. DVD's are HOT now, they are THE thing...big number sales in DVDs and they are a relatively cheap form of media.

I know people who still don't even have a DVD player, as a matter of fact, 1 out of 5 (guesstimated) people I know don't have a DVD player.

DVD is not going out anytime soon because the consumer is not ready for it, simple as that.

So what that means is...even if sony goes to HD-DVD/blu-ray/whatever for the PS3...DVD's will still be here. Games will have advanced but not DVD's, games CAN advance without having to switch over entire setups.

Honestly, if you think about it, how many people do YOU know in real life that have a HDTV? I know ZERO, and half the people I know are using 10+ year old TV's like myself...HDTV hasen't picked up for massive home consumption yet, and won't anytime soon.

Remember, you and a lot of other "tech heads" are up for HDTV's, R-G-B picture, bigger is better to them! clear as possible! But when it comes to big sales, we're aiming for the Wal-Mart crowd. Cheap as possible! Jethro in Trailor Park lot A7 doesn't even know what High Definition means!

And remember, just because something's obsolete doesn't mean you can't use it.

*hugs Laserdisc player*

[Richter Belmount]

to topic title:

yes

[ManciGames]

Honestly, if you think about it, how many people do YOU know in real life that have a HDTV? I know ZERO, and half the people I know are using 10+ year old TV's like myself...HDTV hasen't picked up for massive home consumption yet, and won't anytime soon.

Ahhh, but the HD signal will be the ONLY signal in 5 years or so. That's slated to happen by 2006, but I'm sure it will be pushed back at least a few more years. So then, people will have to either a) buy an HD to Analog convertor (about $300), or buy one of the new 19 inch HDTVs (probably about $300 by then). Which would you do?



Remember, you and a lot of other "tech heads" are up for HDTV's, R-G-B picture, bigger is better to them! clear as possible! But when it comes to big sales, we're aiming for the Wal-Mart crowd. Cheap as possible! Jethro in Trailor Park lot A7 doesn't even know what High Definition means!


I agree 100%. But HDTV will continue to drop in price dramatically. You can already buy a decent one for $600 or so. That's a lot, but it was around $1,800 about 18 months ago.



And remember, just because something's obsolete doesn't mean you can't use it.

*hugs Laserdisc player*

Again, agreed. But, if you already have a PS3, why wouldn't you buy the Blue-ray disc instead of the DVD disc?

[Jorpho]

How would things get better than DVD, exactly? This might be kind of silly to read a few years from now, but right now the only way I can think of to improve upon them is their durability. Their size is fine (unlike laserdiscs), as is the quality when people do the transfer right. (No matter how fancy the medium is, there will always be idiots capable of making sure that it is never used to its full potential.)

[john_soper]

Heh, I was speculating the PS3 may be blu-ray back in June on Atariage and everyone said no way. Wonder if it will play movies straight out of the box?

[Richter]

Well, I don't even know what blue-ray is. What is it? Sorry, I live under a rock when it comes to new innovations in technology.
http://www.blu-ray.com/info/

[ManciGames]

How would things get better than DVD, exactly? This might be kind of silly to read a few years from now, but right now the only way I can think of to improve upon them is their durability. Their size is fine (unlike laserdiscs), as is the quality when people do the transfer right. (No matter how fancy the medium is, there will always be idiots capable of making sure that it is never used to its full potential.)

No doubts there...

In answer to your question, things will only get "better" if you have an HDTV. So, that's another factor in the equation. You will need an HDTV to see any improvement. Blue-ray will play just fine on your regular TV, and will be slightly better than DVD quality. But hook that sucker up to an HDTV, and it's breathtaking. I've seen HD-VHS and it's like looking through a friggin' window...

So, you need cheap HDTVs for the masses. But again, if you've already got a PS3 in 2008, you're probably planning on getting an HDTV eventually, so you'll probably buy the Blue-ray disc since it will work on your current TV and your future HDTV.

[ManciGames]

Heh, I was speculating the PS3 may be blu-ray back in June on Atariage and everyone said no way. Wonder if it will play movies straight out of the box?

If it really is supposed to be a "Trojan-Horse," then it will most definitely play them out of the box.

By the way, here's one link to the PS3 / Blue-ray info, but I'm sure there are tons more if you just Google "PS3 Blue-ray":

http://www.firstadopter.com/fa/archives/000313.html

[Graham Mitchell]

Well, think of it this way; assume that what you are conjecturing here actually happens. If the only system around is PS3, and it costs $500, either it's going to be such an awesome system that you won't ever really need to replace it (I don't even think we need a PS3 or Xbox2, to be honest, but that's just me), or it will be a piece of shit that kills off gaming as we know it.

If it's a good system, then since you wouldn't be able to blame a shitty game on technological limitations, people designing games for it will have to be really innovative to hold your attention. This would be to our benefit, don't you think? We'd (hopefully) see some pretty killer games that are good based on how fun and interesting they are, not how they look, because they're all (theoretically) going to look just about the same.

And if the PS3 is a turd, then video gaming dies. What happened the last time video gaming died? It got resurrected, and it came back better than it was before. I'm sure that would happen again, since so many people are so frickin' addicted to it that they could be cajoled into paying for it again.

[JJNova]

This is a little Similar to my theory on Sony's UMD media. You can read about how they are using it to try for a mainstream lock hold by clicking here. (http://iiiperception.blogspot.com)

But don't forget that Sony has been trying to change media to their liking for years. Cinemascope, MiniDiscs, SmartSticks. Whenever a new technology comes along, Sony wants their version of it to be the collectively accepted form. Along with UMD (Advent Children is a UMD release also by the way. Slated to be a DVD release also, but that's in the works still).

Besides the Cinemascope....they haven't succeeded.

[ManciGames]

But don't forget that Sony has been trying to change media to their liking for years. Cinemascope, MiniDiscs, SmartSticks.

And let's not forget Sony Beta! (The video player, not software...for you younguns) ;)

[Cmosfm]

Honestly, if you think about it, how many people do YOU know in real life that have a HDTV? I know ZERO, and half the people I know are using 10+ year old TV's like myself...HDTV hasen't picked up for massive home consumption yet, and won't anytime soon.

Ahhh, but the HD signal will be the ONLY signal in 5 years or so. That's slated to happen by 2006, but I'm sure it will be pushed back at least a few more years. So then, people will have to either a) buy an HD to Analog convertor (about $300), or buy one of the new 19 inch HDTVs (probably about $300 by then). Which would you do?

I believe it will be pushed back further, I'd say 2008 at least. When a 19" HDTV can sell as low as 149.99 (and converters are 49.99) then it will all change, but until than, you gotta look out for your main viewers who are the lower-middle class families who just CAN'T afford to buy a new TV now. Remember, there is a LARGE percentage of people who will go without TV rather than buy a new 300.00 TV.




And remember, just because something's obsolete doesn't mean you can't use it.

*hugs Laserdisc player*

Again, agreed. But, if you already have a PS3, why wouldn't you buy the Blue-ray disc instead of the DVD disc?

All depends on what's cheaper honestly, DVD quality is top notch, I don't need to see what brand shoes the guy way off in the background is wearing while watching a movie to enjoy it.

:)

[petewhitley]

This got me to thinking about quite a few things. First I pondered the price: It WILL be $500, regardless of what others may have said in the past. Sony's Blue-ray players are slated to launch at around $1,600 to $2,000, so $500 seems to be a reasonable "cheap" alternative

You simply can't speculate on the price of next-gen systems at this time (particularly if you're throwing around unprecedented numbers).

[RCM]

The PS3 will not ruin gaming. Blue Ray and HD-DVD will look better than most DVDs if the tech is utilized properly.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[long_shawn_silver]

Well, I don't even know what blue-ray is. What is it? Sorry, I live under a rock when it comes to new innovations in technology.

Its a 21 GIG DVD Disc (instead of 4.7 GIGs on a DVD Disc)

[SoulBlazer]

I'd be happy if more games came out in widescreen/progressive/HDTV support NOW, much less five years from later. :) Sure, HDTV's are still a major investment, but you can get one for about the same price as many other household items, like a computer, a furtinue set, a washer/dryer combo, and some other stuff.

[calthaer]

I believe it will be pushed back further, I'd say 2008 at least. When a 19" HDTV can sell as low as 149.99 (and converters are 49.99) then it will all change, but until than, you gotta look out for your main viewers who are the lower-middle class families who just CAN'T afford to buy a new TV now. Remember, there is a LARGE percentage of people who will go without TV rather than buy a new 300.00 TV.

I don't think it will be pushed back. The reason they are pushing for HDTV signals is not because of the hardware at all. They are pushing for HDTV so that less of the electromagnetic spectrum is dedicated to the medium of television - the same number of channels can fit on less of the electromagnetic broadcast spectrum with HDTV.

What we may see are economical converters - much like cable boxes today - that convert the signals and "dumb them down" for modern TV. Most people use cable TV and / or satellite, anyways, and those aren't really the targets for this push - it's the BROADCAST signals that they want to change. You may still have "regular" signals coming over the cable and / or satellite signals - just not over your rabbit ears.

[badinsults]

You know, I think that gamers can stand a new gaming format every 4 or 5 years, but I can't say the same for movies. Is there really a demand for higher quality formats yet? I think that it will go down like the Beta.

[mr_jiggles_13]

You know, I think that gamers can stand a new gaming format every 4 or 5 years, but I can't say the same for movies. Is there really a demand for higher quality formats yet? I think that it will go down like the Beta.


that reminds me, my aunt still has a beta player. i still watch VHS, and i will be watching DVD still when BD is being used, my parents JUST upgraded to a DVD/VCR combo because they are cheap NOW. they werent 2 years ago, let alone 5 years ago. BLU RAY will take a while to catch on, and so will HDTV, but we can always use what we have now and not have to but a new damn TV, that is just stupid.

[The Manimal]

How would things get better than DVD, exactly? This might be kind of silly to read a few years from now, but right now the only way I can think of to improve upon them is their durability. Their size is fine (unlike laserdiscs), as is the quality when people do the transfer right. (No matter how fancy the medium is, there will always be idiots capable of making sure that it is never used to its full potential.)


Most current VHS format (D-VHS) looks a lot better than DVD on 480p, judging from image comparisons I've seen ....

[Anthony1]

Well, I can tell everybody here first hand that if you have a very large HDTV, then you are going to be totally in love with HD-DVD and Blue-Ray.

It is going to blow everything compeletly out of the water when I hook it up to my 113 inch screen. Now a screen that huge, will have a dramatic improvement, but people with 32 inch HDTV's 27 inch HDTV's of the square variety, probably won't notice a really big difference.

I think all big screen owners, 50 inches and up, widescreen owners will very much appreciate the jump to HD-DVD and Blue Ray.

Believe me, if you could see I.Robot in 1080i on a proper display, you would be totally amazed.

[Jorpho]

How would things get better than DVD, exactly? This might be kind of silly to read a few years from now, but right now the only way I can think of to improve upon them is their durability. Their size is fine (unlike laserdiscs), as is the quality when people do the transfer right. (No matter how fancy the medium is, there will always be idiots capable of making sure that it is never used to its full potential.)

Most current VHS format (D-VHS) looks a lot better than DVD on 480p, judging from image comparisons I've seen ....

Okay, but what's being compared? A test pattern? A movie from twenty years ago? A recent special effects extravaganza?

Y'know, if better image quality really meant so much to people that they'd be willing to buy everything all over again for it, nobody would bother watching DVDs cut down to 700 MB DivX movies and p2p video distribution wouldn't be the slightest concern to the movie industry.

[whoisKeel]

if sony is indeed charging royalties to use the blue-ray format, it will never catch on, you can do that for games, but not for movies and music. (on a side note i don't think sony is going to sell too many psp movies either)

and if they do charge $500 for the ps3...they won't be on top anymore. how many of YOU would pay that kind of money for a game system? and we're the gamers.

and no, i don't think it will kill videogames even if all i said above is completely wrong. hell, nintendo is still making money and they're last place, there's room for 2 or 3 at least....and microsoft sure as hell isn't dropping out of this game so quickly.

[Flack]

Forgive me if this already got posted (I started skimming when my brain started hurting) but I believe that both new DVD technologies will be backwards compatible ... so regardless of what the PS3 uses, it should still be able to read PS2 (and PS1) disks, games, and DVD movies.

[Ernster]

To answer this topics title, Sony ruined gaming when they released the PSX :P

[whoisKeel]

To answer this topics title, Sony ruined gaming when they released the PSX :P

i'm going out on a limb here, but I specifically remember never paying less than $40-50 at a store for a game, even if it was 2 years old. hell squaresoft games were $70. sure the media was alot cheaper, but sony really helped bring down the prices on games. they could've charged the same and we'd still be paying it.

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1570&highlight=playstation
50 great games for ANY system is a winner in my book.

[kai123]

Forgive me if this already got posted (I started skimming when my brain started hurting) but I believe that both new DVD technologies will be backwards compatible ... so regardless of what the PS3 uses, it should still be able to read PS2 (and PS1) disks, games, and DVD movies.


That is the plan. So even if you upgrade you can still use your old DVD discs. I think Blu-Ray will catch on before HD-DVD. The PS3 is the trojan horse to get people into the Blu-Ray groove. Why buy HD-DVD for $300 when I can spend the same amount on a PS3 and get Blu-Ray? The PS3 will not be over $300 same for Xbox 2 and the next Nintendo.

Also Sony isn't the only one behind the Blu-ray format. So it isn't something they thought up all by themselves.

Here are some links to chew on.

http://www.blu-ray.com/
http://www.hddvd.org/hddvd/

BTW it is "Blu-Ray" not "Blue-Ray" :P

[Ernster]

To answer this topics title, Sony ruined gaming when they released the PSX :P

i'm going out on a limb here, but I specifically remember never paying less than $40-50 at a store for a game, even if it was 2 years old. hell squaresoft games were $70. sure the media was alot cheaper, but sony really helped bring down the prices on games. they could've charged the same and we'd still be paying it.

http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1570&highlight=playstation
50 great games for ANY system is a winner in my book.

I dont like Sony, coz they killed Nintendo with a product that was much inferior to Nintendo's. Almost everytime I played a PSX game, all I saw was rushed gampeplay, blocky and jagedy graphics and oh so slow loading times.

They also copy NIntendo a lot (Rumble pak and joystick, Shoulder buttons etc), I guess if I were Sony id do the same but still..

There consoles quality stink as well, always problems with them.

Sony always try and make Nintendo look Kiddy, however Nintendo do a great job of that themselves.

So thats why I hate them. I may be a Nintendo fanboy, but I can see a shit console when I see one, I think the PSX sucked.

(Im not saying it didnt have any good games, but I think the console was EXTREMELY overrated)

The above applies to the PS2, but I think Gamecube is pretty crap too.

It still makes me shiver to think of the day I swapped my N64 for a PSX :(

[Bluteg]

Actually Blu-Ray players will not read current DVD media. It uses a different type of laser to read the disc. Only HD-DVD would be backwards compatable with our currents DVDs. Thats why I think Blu-Ray will die if released in the next few years. Consumers who just upgraded their movie collections from VHS to DVD will not want to upgrade again in a few years. DVD is very accepted now and I think that DVD is too new for joe six pack to want better.

[kai123]

Actually Blu-Ray players will not read current DVD media. It uses a different type of laser to read the disc. Only HD-DVD would be backwards compatable with our currents DVDs. Thats why I think Blu-Ray will die if released in the next few years. Consumers who just upgraded their movie collections from VHS to DVD will not want to upgrade again in a few years. DVD is very accepted now and I think that DVD is too new for joe six pack to want better.

Oh really.... :/

http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/#2.4

[unbroken]

i honestly think dvd's will probably be around another 10 years. i mean look at all these dvd only stores that are popping up all over, we had disk systems back in the 80's and people hated them. vhs was the norm , and now its dvd. dvd is just starting to get afordable, i dont see any reason why any normal consumer would want to shift to a new disk format in the next couple of years.

[The Manimal]

How would things get better than DVD, exactly? This might be kind of silly to read a few years from now, but right now the only way I can think of to improve upon them is their durability. Their size is fine (unlike laserdiscs), as is the quality when people do the transfer right. (No matter how fancy the medium is, there will always be idiots capable of making sure that it is never used to its full potential.)

Most current VHS format (D-VHS) looks a lot better than DVD on 480p, judging from image comparisons I've seen ....

Okay, but what's being compared? A test pattern? A movie from twenty years ago? A recent special effects extravaganza?

Y'know, if better image quality really meant so much to people that they'd be willing to buy everything all over again for it, nobody would bother watching DVDs cut down to 700 MB DivX movies and p2p video distribution wouldn't be the slightest concern to the movie industry.


http://www.jet-x.com/brian2/theater_files/COMPlg.jpg

[GarrettCRW]

Actually, the rumblings in Hollywood were that which studio bought out MGM/UA (the fight was down to Warner, an advocate of HD-DVD, and Sony) would determine the victor in this format war. Well, Sony got MGM/UA (thereby dooming that library to continued poor DVD releases, as well-anyone who's bought the Tour of Duty box set or the last couple of Dawson's Creek sets will know what I speak of).

Also, HDTV *has* been pushed back to 2008, IIRC. The scheme by the FCC to screw over the public isn't working, in part because Wal-Mart and Target have just begun to carry HDTVs (meaning that they're just becoming within the realm of being affordable).

[Anexanhume]

Microsoft isn't going anywhere because they have deep pockets and a lot of determination. Nintendo has a dedicated fanbase that is large enough to keep them going, so they should be able to sustain themselves. Besides, it won't be down to just one. If there's only one, all a company has to do is offer an alternative, and people are going to pick up on it simply because it's an alternative.
As people said, there's no real reason that people will see an advantage for blu-ray. Most consumers would look at a DVD and a blu-ray disc and immediately buy the dvd for the lower price. Others might consider the difference, but then realize that they don't have an HDTV or simply aren't concerned with the difference in quality.

[Captain Wrong]

The PS3, which will release at a cost equal to the G.D.P. of an emerging third world country, will not only destroy gaming forever but it will erase ROM chips, melt carts, scratch CDs (even those that haven't been played on it,) and even remove Minesweeper and Solitare from Windows. Also all the PS3 units will come together Voltron style and form a giant robot that will destroy EB, Gamespot, Gamecrazy, and the headquarters of Nintendo and Microsoft. It will then cause fanboy heads to explode, blipvert style, before launching off into the sun, never to be seen again.

In other words, you have no chance to survive make your time.

[Solar77]

If the PS3 comes out as an overpriced piece of shit with no support, it'll just do a 3DO and another company will pick up the slack. No one company can KILL the gaming industry. Does anyone really believe MS will just bend over for the PS3? If Sony fucks up, Microsoft will just take over as number one.

[Mayhem]

I believe the DVD forums have already decided that HD-DVD will be the way forward. Now to go find some proof of that. If that is the case, then Sony are using the non-standard format once again (re VHS vs Betamax here).

[Chronodriftersx]

If the PS3 comes out as an overpriced piece of shit with no support, it'll just do a 3DO and another company will pick up the slack. No one company can KILL the gaming industry. Does anyone really believe MS will just bend over for the PS3? If Sony fucks up, Microsoft will just take over as number one.

can'ts wait for that to happen.

[Sylentwulf]

Sigh, yes. The PS3 will ruin gaming forever, Microsoft will buy EA who owns NFL, and Nintendo is now setting up LAN parties in the third quadrant of mars.

Are we all clear on this now?

Can we PLEASE start a STUPID rumor forum?

[Solar77]

If the PS3 comes out as an overpriced piece of shit with no support, it'll just do a 3DO and another company will pick up the slack. No one company can KILL the gaming industry. Does anyone really believe MS will just bend over for the PS3? If Sony fucks up, Microsoft will just take over as number one.

can'ts wait for that to happen.

Oh, I dread that possibility.

[Arcade Antics]

I have but one thing to say on this topic:

If the Atari 2600 version of Double Dragon didn't ruin videogaming forever, NOTHING will.

[Ninja Blacksox]

If I have to re-buy all of my DVDs once they're re-released on this "blu-ray" nonsense, I'm gonna go shithouse.

Seriously.

And no, the PS3 will not "ruin gaming." It will take a miracle to get Microsoft to bow out of the race.

-A Boy

[The Manimal]

If I have to re-buy all of my DVDs once they're re-released on this "blu-ray" nonsense, I'm gonna go shithouse.

Seriously.

And no, the PS3 will not "ruin gaming." It will take a miracle to get Microsoft to bow out of the race.

-A Boy

nah, just keep your DVD player :)

[nesgamer]

Theres no way I'm going to change from my DVD player right now. So even when the Blu-Ray comes out, I'm not getting one cause the quality doesn't really matter to me.

[Sylentwulf]

Did you hear about that green laser yet? Due to the lower resistance in the color green to travel through space(air, whatever), it shoots out and returns just a tiny bit faster than blue does apparently.

[Hep038]

Only casual gamers play on systems with a green laser. If you are HARDCORE you only play on systems with the white laser. It was made for RPG'S!!!!!! And cost only $12.52.

[ManciGames]

Sigh, yes.

Hey man, didn't that jest go out of style on BBSs around 1994? Just asking...

[ManciGames]

Theres no way I'm going to change from my DVD player right now. So even when the Blu-Ray comes out, I'm not getting one cause the quality doesn't really matter to me.

Yeah, but would you buy a PS3?

[Captain Wrong]

if sony is indeed charging royalties to use the blue-ray format, it will never catch on, you can do that for games, but not for movies and music.

BTW, Sony (and Philips) have been charging royalities on the CD and DVD formats for their entire existance. They seem to have caught on just fine.

[Sylentwulf]

Sigh, yes.

Hey man, didn't that jest go out of style on BBSs around 1994? Just asking...

Jest?

And actually, I think I DID run a bbs in 1994...thinking......Yep. Around 1990-1995 I think somewhere in that timeline I had a BBS. I really have no idea what you're referring to though, heh.

[Jorpho]

Sigh, yes.

Hey man, didn't that jest go out of style on BBSs around 1994? Just asking...

Y'know... I think I like it.

[ManciGames]

Sigh, yes.

Hey man, didn't that jest go out of style on BBSs around 1994? Just asking...

Jest?

And actually, I think I DID run a bbs in 1994...thinking......Yep. Around 1990-1995 I think somewhere in that timeline I had a BBS. I really have no idea what you're referring to though, heh.

Yeah, a "jest." You know, "a witty remark" (copyright www.dictionary.com). That was a witty remark you were making, right? Maybe not...

In other words, your insult went out of style around 1994. But, I jest.

[ManciGames]

Sigh, yes.

Hey man, didn't that jest go out of style on BBSs around 1994? Just asking...

Y'know... I think I like it.

Now HERE's a man that can appreciate a good jest! But again, I jest. ;)

[Sylentwulf]

Well, the rest of that post was a jest (witty remark, startiling retort, clandestine amusement) but the "Sigh, yes." was an emote I guess if you want to classify it :)