Which company do you think will be the first to drop out?

[studvicious]

Why can't you see the fellas at Nintendo solely producing software?

I remember reading an interview with Nintendo (somewhere) awhile back - although I could be mistaken, the jist of it was, "the day we stop making consoles is the day we stop making games alltogether". But who knows??

[TheJuggala]

I think that it will be Sony,only if they make their console as crappy as they have made the PS2. Don't get me wrong i like my PS2, but how many people have had to go out and by a new ps2 because their old one got a DRE or the laser died.

I have yet to meet anyone that has had a broken gamecube. But a lot of people i know have had a broken PS2 and have had to buy a new one. It's the same with the xbox too.

Just my thoughts.

[RCM]

I remember reading an interview with Nintendo (somewhere) awhile back - although I could be mistaken, the jist of it was, "the day we stop making consoles is the day we stop making games alltogether". But who knows??

I recall reading something like that too. Sega denied they were cancelling the dreamcast all the way up to January 30th 2001. Sometimes people say things and do another.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

[Jared_Vibelicious]

"Imagine being able to play your fave games on the TV and then carrying on the game while on the train or bus to work! That would be pretty revolutionary..."

This has been done ... it was called the Turbo Express from NEC. That machine is still such a high quality piece of portable. Pricing was it's enemy.

[NeoVenom]

So many Nintendo haterz...LOL Correct me if I'm wrong but X-box is at the bottom of the list when it comes to systems that are progressing. If I'm wrong..my apologizes. Nintendo has been out since the Atari days. They were not making consoles, but they were making games. I highly doubt it'z gonna die. And to say it'z gonna die because is a "kiddie" system is ignorant. Like I said back then, I rather have a system aim for all ages than for a certain age.

[FantasiaWHT]

So many Nintendo haterz...LOL Correct me if I'm wrong but X-box is at the bottom of the list when it comes to systems that are progressing. If I'm wrong..my apologizes. Nintendo has been out since the Atari days. They were not making consoles, but they were making games. I highly doubt it'z gonna die. And to say it'z gonna die because is a "kiddie" system is ignorant. Like I said back then, I rather have a system aim for all ages than for a certain age.

In America, more Xboxes are sold, but worldwide Gamecube has a significant lead on Xbox.

Also consider a lot more Xboxes and PS2's are bought to replace broken ones, which artificially inflates their numbers to look like they have a larger installed user base.

[thehistorian]

I have yet to meet anyone that has had a broken gamecube.

True we have never met, but I assure you that there are dead GCN out there... In fact I'll be glad to mail you my dead unit. Seems the motor to spin the disk no longer works..

[NeoVenom]

Honestly, I don't hate any systems. Each system has their ups an downs (IMO). But saying that Nintendo will die first?...I don't know if that'z true. PS2 and Gamecube are running a close race. When PS2 came out, wasn't N64 was still around? Every system Nintendo has made did great...NES all the way to Gamecube (exception of Vitual Boy, but technically that'z not a console). Maybe some people who voted Gamecube and not gave a reason are still mad cuz Nintendo put Sega out of business. J/k..j/k..or am I?

[RCM]

So many Nintendo haterz... Correct me if I'm wrong but X-box is at the bottom of the list when it comes to systems that are progressing. If I'm wrong..my apologizes. Nintendo has been out since the Atari days. They were not making consoles, but they were making games. I highly doubt it'z gonna die. And to say it'z gonna die because is a "kiddie" system is ignorant. Like I said back then, I rather have a system aim for all ages than for a certain age.

how is Xbox "at the bottom of the list when it comes to systems that are progressing?" What does that mean? If Nintendo stops making money it will certainly "die."

You hit it right on the head the head about rather having a system for all ages as opposed to one that appeals primarily to one age group. The Xbox and PS2 have their share of "kiddie" games. They have their share of "adult" games as well. Their libraries are well balanced. It is preceived that a majority of titles worth owning on Gamecube are targeted more to kids than adults. So it is dubbed rightfully so as a kiddie machine. I should know, I own 2 Gamecubes, one I bought at launch. I'm no "Nintendo hater" to make it clear. Nintendo's market share has slipped each generation since the NES. If you look at it like that it's no surprise that Nintendo is in the situation it's in.


In America, more Xboxes are sold, but worldwide Gamecube has a significant lead on Xbox.

Also consider a lot more Xboxes and PS2's are bought to replace broken ones, which artificially inflates their numbers to look like they have a larger installed user base.

Xbox is #2 in the worldwide market. GC has a significant lead on Xbox in Japan only. So you're saying that no Gamecube's break? I might believe that if you can show me some real numbers that the only reason why Xbox and PS2 sell as well as they do is b/c of -people replacing their older systems. I'm betting you can't.

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[NeoVenom]

From what I've seen, both X-box and PS2 aim towards "T to M" players. And by me saying that X-Box is at the bottom list, I meant in sales. My fault if I didn't "word" it correctly. None of us can see the future, for all we know, PS2 can be the one that "diminishes". Every system has their "slips". Like I said before, I have almost every system out there. I don't hate any systems. Yes...I do prefer a system for all ages because everyone can get involved (including my little cousins). To me, a kiddie game is something like leapfrog, or Barney, or whatever. A game you play to learn something. How many people thought Mario Sunshine or Viewtiful Joe were meant for kids and next thing u know they play it and say it'z good? In my case, a lot of people have.

[RCM]

From what I've seen, both X-box and PS2 aim towards "T to M" players.

Stuff like Sly Cooper, Sonic the Hedgehog, Blinx, etc. are certainly aimed toward kids. Maybe you should take a closer look.


And by me saying that X-Box is at the bottom list, I meant in sales.

LIke I said in a previous post, the Xbox is ranked #2 in the console race.


None of us can see the future, for all we know, PS2 can be the one that "diminishes".

The PS2 is the clear leader in this generation. The combined worldwide sales of the Xbox and Gamecube don't come close to the PS2's installed base.


To me, a kiddie game is something like leapfrog, or Barney, or whatever.

To the general public seems to class the GC's best as kiddie games.

I believe that a good game no matter the presentation or content should appeal to all ages. The gamers that matter, the casual gamers, don't seem to agree and class most of Nintendo's best as being kiddie. Nintendo admits this and has tried to change. The Resident Evil games and Eternal Darkness is evidence of their struggle to change their image.

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[NeoVenom]

I'm just giving an example..I'm not saying the PS2 WILL diminish. Out of the majority of games being released, I've seen majority of them to be T and M games, hardly a rated E game on PS2 and X-Box. I never said they didn't release rated E games, did I? And E stands for everyone, not kidz...There'z a rated for that. And if people consider GC a kiddie system..so be it. I just don't care about it anymore because to ME it isn't and I'm pretty sure to a lot of other people it isn't. :D If majority of public see it as a kiddie system, then by hell it'z a DAMN good kiddie system. LOL

[ubersaurus]

Nintendo has turned a profit every year for how many decades now? And as long as they have the cash, I don't see them pulling out of consoles. Handhelds is a given with them, it's their bread and butter.

Nintendo's leadership would have to change for them to go third party. I don't see their current guys wanting to do anything but first party.

Last year Nintendo lost some money. The Gamecube's failure stopped NIntendo's streak of profitability. I see the current guys wanting to make money. It doesn't matter how much cash Nintendo has. If their console business falters any further they will pull out and go to where the money is!


I doubt that would ever happen. If they weren't making hardware I couldn't see them just producing software.

Why can't you see the fellas at Nintendo solely producing software?

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

Uh, Nintendo finished last year with a profit. A bad quarter doesn't mean they lose money.

[Push Upstairs]

Maybe some people who voted Gamecube and not gave a reason are still mad cuz Nintendo put Sega out of business. J/k..j/k..or am I?

Considering that Nintendo *DIDN'T* put Sega out of business...


I picked Nintendo I think they fail to appeal to all gamers.

I'm not going to say that Nintendo needs to put blood and violence in games, but i do believe that they need to start making some games that have a storyline that will appeal to people who are over the age of 12. (Metroid and the new Zelda game seem like a step in the right direction).

I think Nintendo is ignoring a good part of the video game market and companies that ignore thier audience tend to end up not doing so hot.

[RCM]

Uh, Nintendo finished last year with a profit. A bad quarter doesn't mean they lose money.

According to these links you're wrong.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/news.php?aid=1478

http://www.gamingevolved.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9718

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[thehistorian]

Uh, Nintendo finished last year with a profit. A bad quarter doesn't mean they lose money.

According to these links you're wrong.

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/news.php?aid=1478

http://www.gamingevolved.com/forums/showthread.php?t=9718

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

According to those links Nintendo posted a profit for the year, and a loss for a quarter. Which I'm pretty sure was his point.


The pressure is once again on Nintendo to turn the tide of ill will, act swiftly to ensure the Cube's survival, and ensure continued third party software support. Many industry analysts continue to speculate on Nintendo following Sega's lead and exited the hardware market, but with such enormous cash reserves, Nintendo is clearly in a far more stable position than Sega ever was. After all, the company is still reporting a profit - and relatively healthy one at that.


Intriguingly, Nintendo has also blamed its own delay in announcing the GameCube price reductions, which, according to today's press release, were originally scheduled to come into effect earlier in the year. Despite today's announcement, Nintendo still expects to post a net profit of 60 billion yen ($540 million) for the year ending March 2004

[studvicious]

According to these links you're wrong.


Nintendo is clearly in a far more stable position than Sega ever was. After all, the company is still reporting a profit - and relatively healthy one at that

[RCM]

According to those links Nintendo posted a profit for the year, and a loss for a quarter. Which I'm pretty sure was his point.

I understand that. Any sort of loss isn't good for Nintendo.


Nintendo has today announced that it will post its first loss since going public in 1962 for the six months to September.

They lost money but are still profitable.


Nintendo now expects to post a loss of around 3 billion yen ($27 million).

so you're saying that 27 million isn't a loss?

I didn't word this in the best way:


The Gamecube's failure stopped NIntendo's streak of profitability.

My statement was in reference to the loss of 27 million which was the first loss Nintendo has ever had.

The GC is failing. Nintendo has lost ground in each successsive generation. People in this thread seem to paint a better picture. Sony will almost surely dent their share in the handheld market. Microsoft and Sony will most likely beat them in the next console race (from the way it looks now). Nintendo will need a phenomena greater than Pokemon to save them.

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[CartCollector]

I was down at the local GameCrazy after Christmas, and I found something interesting... all the PS2s and Xboxes were sold out, yet a large supply of Gamecubes remained. A store attendant told me that he could have easily sold 200 more Xboxes. Also, the PS2s and Xboxes at Wal-Mart were sold out, too. I think they were sold out BEFORE Christmas, too. That shows you A LOT about Nintendo's sales and reputation with the public.

[Iron Draggon]

Well they won't have enough sense to do it gracefully, but at some point in time, Nintendo is definitely going the way of Sega. Software only, or at best, portable hardware only. Get over it, Ninny Fanboys! I was a hardcore Sega Fanboy back in the day, I had to get over it, and so will you. I know that you don't want to, neither did I. But you must. Nintendo is grasping at the same straws that Sega was grasping at. Totally relying on their dwindling legions of fanboys to keep them afloat, and totally not succeeding at it. So face the facts, the big N is on the big way out. It may be sooner, it may be later, but it will definitely happen. If you refuse to believe it now, then you'll be eating crow later. Maybe that will be their final system: The Nintendo Crow - Eat it, it's food for fanboys! Nobody else will care about it. Just like the Gamecube. If it weren't for fanboys, not a single soul would own one.

[CartCollector]

Well, now that E3's over and the dust (and hype) have settled, I believe it's time for a bump. Has anyone's opinions changed, now that we've seen what these companies will do to battle it out in the next generation? I picked up an Xbox a little while after my last post in this thread, and I'm quite impressed, so I'm going to withdraw my bet that Microsoft's on the way out. In the next gen, I think it's going to be either Sony or Nintendo. Sony targets mainstreamers while Nintendo targets its ever-loyal fanboys. Microsoft has solid original titles for both the mainstream and hardcore, and the best online support this gen (I think Ninny may beat them out with their free service next gen), to boot. Whenever I read people post about what console their going to get, Xbox 360 comes up quite often.

[Mitch_Naz]

Hmm... It seems to me that at this point, Sony has the recognition, Microsoft has the power and Nintendo the quality.

For these reasons, I can't see any of them dropping out any time soon.

Well put, I would have to vote my beloved Nintendo because of its negative rep its always seems to get. The Revolution will be its last chance and I think they know this and *hopefully* will bring only the best. I think Mircosoft is getting to greddy for its own good - They will do anything to win which isnt a company I really like but they got perfect dark....

As long as Nintendo has their portable's they wont be going anywhere. Long live NINTENDO !

[Bronty-2]

Based on the e3 showings, I think all three will be around for a while. I think the market can support all three. Obviously nintendo is not as big as the other two, but it looks like they are making some positive changes. And they're making them NOW, building some momentum before rev's launch. If they hadn't started turning things around a little bit now, I'd be worried. But they seem to be finally paying more attention to their consumer with stuff like resident evil 4, twilight princess, and appear to be making some steps to turn things around. :) I say all three are here to stay 8-)

[Phosphor Dot Fossils]

I think RCA will be an early casualty. The Studio II just isn't up to the challenge of competing with the Xbox.

[Lothars]

I am gonna have to say Microsoft with my feelings that the xbox 360 is gonna be a failure, especially with the lack of backwords compatibility and just they probaly will lose a fair bit of money on each console but we will see.

I don't see microsoft lasting for more than one more generation

[Captain Wrong]

I think RCA will be an early casualty. The Studio II just isn't up to the challenge of competing with the Xbox.

But they said you would be able to download every first party RCA game for free...

[googlefest1]

nintendo - although they may stick around in the hand held market

edit: If the backwards compatibility will become an issue with the xbox 360 - M$ will certainly fix that with thier next system - that is my bigest uncertainty - if M$ included good backwards compatibility then i would think they are set to be #2

im a bigger fan of xbox then gamecube ( ive played my GC once only ) - but at the moment im looking more towards getting a revolution becasue of thier download feature (if its free or cheap and includes many games) - it would be great to box up all my nes and snes games and keep 200 of them on the revolution

but for now im still voting nintendo will die ( even though i think there is enough room 3-4 consoles as long as there are cross platform games)

[CartCollector]

I think RCA will be an early casualty. The Studio II just isn't up to the challenge of competing with the Xbox.
But they said you would be able to download every first party RCA game for free...
Oh great, not another "end of Coleco" spoof discussion. :roll:

[Captain Wrong]

I think RCA will be an early casualty. The Studio II just isn't up to the challenge of competing with the Xbox.
But they said you would be able to download every first party RCA game for free...
Oh great, not another "end of Coleco" spoof discussion. :roll:

What? You'd prefer another pointless "Nintendo is going down/no they're not" or "Sony sux/no they don't" discussion?

[izret101]

I say Microsoft, because Sony is not going down, and Nintendo learns from its competitors a lot faster than Microsoft. Example: When faced with genres Nintendo didn't have under its belt in the SNES era, they came up with innovative products like Mario Kart, F-Zero, and Star Fox. These titles also showed off the strong points of the console. However, Microsoft makes a lot of old mistakes by launching an expensive console with few and boring exclusive titles.

LOL

[bargora]

Kenner

[CartCollector]

I say Microsoft, because Sony is not going down, and Nintendo learns from its competitors a lot faster than Microsoft. Example: When faced with genres Nintendo didn't have under its belt in the SNES era, they came up with innovative products like Mario Kart, F-Zero, and Star Fox. These titles also showed off the strong points of the console. However, Microsoft makes a lot of old mistakes by launching an expensive console with few and boring exclusive titles.



LOL
Hahahahahaha... Ummm, I don't get it.

[Ed Oscuro]

I'm amazed Microsoft is getting so many votes here - guess that goes with the forum prejudices. I feel that Microsoft has the weakest "front" out of the companies, though; the main thing which made the Xbox potentially more attractive than the other consoles, the extra power, won't be true this time around.

[TeddyRuxpin]

Nintendo (and just to piss people off ill say my reason is cuz they are a kiddie system)

N64: Conker's Bad Fur Day

'nuff said? 8-)

[TeddyRuxpin]

Example: When faced with genres Nintendo didn't have under its belt in the SNES era, they came up with innovative products like Mario Kart, F-Zero, and Star Fox.

Umm... Mario Kart, F-Zero and Star Fox started out on SNES. F-Zero was a launch title (or shortly there after) as I recall. LOL