the f**king NERVE of this a**hole seller!!!

[Atari7800]

i recently won an auction from an ebay seller (who shall remain nameless for the time being) for a top-loading NES with TWO dogbone-style controllers. i wrote him almost a week ago for the shipping charge and confirmation and he just gets back with me tonite with this shit-


"You were the winner for my Nintendo auction.

I was rather surprised that the"dogbone" controllers did not add to this auction’s final price. I could have auctioned them separately and got $20.00 - $30.00. Therefore, I am giving you a choice. You can either purchase the Nintendo at your winning bid without the controllers or we can call this auction off and I will relist the Nintendo without the controllers. For extra money, I could even send the controllers with the Nintendo. Please let me know very soon so that I can either relist or send payment instructions. I am very sorry for this inconvenience.

Sincerely

**** *****"

what the hell! i'm pretty new to ebay but i have NEVER heard of this crap before. the seller has 60+ positive comments! i told him-

"i have never gotten a e-mail like this from a seller before. you listed the nintendo and controllers together. its a shame they did not reach the price you expected but thats the reality you have to face with auctions. now you want me to pay the SAME price for the package WITHOUT the controllers or pay EXTRA for the controllers? are you aware how ebay works? you just cant change the rules AFTER the auction is over. this is not an "inconvenience" as you said... it is a clear violation of ebay rules and seller ethics. i'll pay the stated auction price plus a reasonable shipping charge. let ME know as soon as possible. i still can't believe you had the nerve to write that crap."



i'm not sure i'll honor this auction no matter what he says in reply. this seller is obviously an idiot and not to be trusted.

WTF!!!
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[church]

Save the emails and if he doesn't honour his end of the bargin report him to ebay and leave negative feedback. If the same thing happened to me I would be nothing short of pissed off.

[Chunky]

yeah he is for sure on the shitlist. let ebay know, if he cannot set a min price correctly it's not your fault. if he does not honor, complain to ebay and every site that had a bad/warning trader list.

[cheesystick]

If you really want to get him back, (and so something truelyevil at the same time), mail all the people bidding on his future items telling them of this and warn them not to bid. Make this haunt him. Its a little evil, but its sure fun LOL
-crispy

[Sniderman]

1. Let him know that this is in direct violation of the eBay rules. He agreed to sell it for the final bidding price. Upping it like this is cause for dismissal. Tell him this e-mail gets fired to Safeharbor unless he agree by the original terms. (This is posted on eBay someplace. Be sure to cut and paste it in your message to him. It should sober him up.) Remind him that - if suspended - he ain't goin' to be getting that extra $$$ anyway, will he?

2. Follow through with the threat when he acts like an ass. Be sure to leave appropriate feedback, warning others of his idiocy.

[MrRetroGamer]

I always get nervous after the person on the other end of the transaction decides to "flake out" for any reason, and that email you received is pretty much the sign of when "good deals go bad". You are 110% in the right, but nothing you do is going to make the seller do something he obviously decided he's NOT going to do. Reporting to EBAY and negative feedback may be all you can do, and it still wont get you the system as advertised.

If you somehow end up going through with the deal in some form, make sure to use a reliable payment form (like a personal check, remember your cancelled check is your receipt!), and send it registered to make sure it got there OK. Don't use paypal, because in a dispute, they will not back you. Ask for insured and/or trackable shipping and proof of shipment, because there are so many places this transaction can fail if the person is hell bent on not giving you what you are entitled to. He may decide on a crazy shipping charge to discourage you as well, if that wasn't already stated or agreed upon.

Chances are, this will come down to a nasty, name calling shouting match where the seller will start using 4 letter words and call you names. Keep copies of all emails and keep a level head. Post the ID of the seller so we can avoid this moron.

[MrRetroGamer]

If you really want to get him back, (and so something truelyevil at the same time), mail all the people bidding on his future items telling them of this and warn them not to bid. -crispy

Doing this is CLEARLY against EBAY rules, and 2 wrongs does not make a right. One of those bidders might decide that the email was inappropriate and could report YOU to Safeharbor - then you'd risk getting your ID suspended. Not worth it. :hmm:

[Savedman]

So....why won't you let us know what the sellers name is? I think you should paste the link here and all of your fellow DP'ers should send him a friendly email letting him know how unethical he is being. (I really do mean friendly, nothing nasty)

[Atari7800]

after i posted that letter last nite i got really pissed and left the seller negative feedback. i also decided not to purchase the nintendo since the seller tried to screw me. i get this e-mail today-


"Hello,

I have rethought my original email and decided that it is not fair to you. You will be sold the Nintendo and both controllers at your winning bid . You were a bit hasty in leaving negative feedback. I gave you a very clear choice. Nonetheless, here are the payment instructions:

Please remit the auction payment plus $30 for shipping to:

(edited)

Please make payment for this item within the next ten (10) days by using one of the two types of payment methods listed below:

1. PayPal

2. money order, cashier’s check, personal check (requires 10 day bank clearance period), or cash (United States currency only and be sure to conceal it well. Please only use cash for small amounts and do so with extreme caution. I cannot be responsible for stolen mail.)


Please reply to this email and inform me of the payment method you will use. Thank you for bidding in my auction. I hope that you enjoy your game. Should you have any questions regarding this auction or its payment, please do not hesitate to contact me. "

>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

this dickhead wants ***$30*** to ship a damn loose top loading Nintendo and two controllers? THIRTY DAMN DOLLARS?

:hmm:

this was my rely-


hello. thank you for the e-mail. how long have you been buying and selling items on ebay? you have a fair amount of feedback. has a seller ever e-mailed you after an auction and gave you the "clear choice" of either paying the SAME amount for LESS than the auction offered or paying MORE for the original auction? i have never had that happen to me before, and i would certainly never give any of my potential buyers the "choice" of paying more or getting less. i don't normally react so strongly to things, but this situation boggles my mind. the fact that you have a wealth of positive feedback is what really gets me.

i have a good friend who has sold 50+ items on Ebay in the past, and most of his auctions have gone well. he has made quite a bit of money on some auctions, barely broke even on some, and flat-out lost money on others. that is the nature and risk of Ebay.
you can go ahead and re-list these items. i will not be buying anything from you as I do not think that I can trust you at this point. $30 is at least TRIPLE what it will cost you to send this item PRIORITY MAIL. you try to rip me off once, then you try again. you deserve the negative feedback. fraud is fraud. please let it be a lesson and something positive. Ebay can be a great (and profitable) thing but dishonesty and taking advantage of people (especially around the holidays!) is just wrong and will get you burnt. had you just e-mailed me the total plus reasonable shipping i would have sent you the money via paypal immediately and this could have all been avoided. your desire for additional profits has left be with a bad taste in my mouth and a well-deserved spot on your otherwise respectable feedback record.

i will not contact Ebay or forward your e-mail to anyone if you leave me alone. you are welcome to leave me negative feedback... i will be watching your future auctions.

there is no need to reply to this e-mail. i will delete any correspondance from you without reading it.

Happy holidays and a Happy New Year!

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how did i do? x_x

[CrazyImpmon]

You did well in refusing his $30 shipping charge. Was the shipping charge ever stated in the auction? Anyway I think you should forward the email to eBay so they can harp on the seller about changing the term of auction aftert it ended, and for insane shipping charge. yes, it is against eBay rule to knowling and delibrately overcharge on shipping just to make extra $$$ on the side.

I don't think he can really get that much for a dogbone controller unless he figured out how to set the minimum price correctly. I did a quick check of the ended items and the dogbone controller was averaging $10 each and opnly because it's the starting price as set by the seller (all were 1 bid only).

Dogbone controller is not rare at all as they were also sold separately as replacements. I have maybe a dozen of them and I could find a few more from various Funcoland for about $5 each.

[Chunky]

I think that was a fair letter you sent that seller. Just call it off. If he wants to bother you for any reason then send him to ebay, and the wolves. He tried to screw you for sure. It should be in his best interest to ignore you and relist the items if in his mind he can get more for them.

Ebay is still great, i have even gotten Thank-You cards from buyers. and hassled to death from people with 4000+ feedback. you just never know, I try to be fair as hell when selling.

however bidding wars like last night on 8 different Neo-geo auctions with people with 3 to 12 feedback drives me to drink.

[Atari7800]

no, the seller never stated the shipping price for the nes and controllers. i figured that he had such good feedback that he must be fair and honest but thats what i get for assuming. i'll email ahead next time and find out. $30 for a tiny top loader and two controllers is more than triple what it would cost to send priority, and standard or media mail would cost even less.

i'll wait to post this jerks e-mail address and see if he straigtens up and flies right. i know some people would send him friendly scolding e-mails that didnt mean harm but i fear others might mess with him or bid on his auctions and not pay. he's got a nasty feedback from me and i will get real nasty if he leaves me feedback or tries to collect his listing fees. he still has some auctions running so maybe he has learned his lesson. we shall see. ill keep you posted if anything new happens.

[Achika]

Not so much posting his email, but his user name (unless it's the same thing). I think most of the people on this board are mature enough that we won't go bidding up his auctions (or risk - feedback on our own profiles)

Perhaps we should start a blacklist post too? Maybe sellers we have had bad experiences with, or bidders to watch out for?

[MrRetroGamer]

.... He may decide on a crazy shipping charge to discourage you as well, if that wasn't already stated or agreed upon.


Please remit the auction payment plus $30 for shipping to...


Gee, did I see that one coming or WHAT!?!! :band: \^_^/

[Savedman]

Perhaps we should start a blacklist post too? Maybe sellers we have had bad experiences with, or bidders to watch out for?

Blacklist sounds good.

[Captain Wrong]

.... He may decide on a crazy shipping charge to discourage you as well, if that wasn't already stated or agreed upon.


Please remit the auction payment plus $30 for shipping to...


Gee, did I see that one coming or WHAT!?!! :band: \^_^/

This is why I never bid on anything unless the shipping is stated up front. I ship enough stuff to know what something should cost to send and I know if someone is trying to "sell" the thing for cheap and then make profit on the shipping. When the shipping is not stated, I can too easily see a seller making up the difference on "handling" charges to boost the price where they want it to be.

Actually, I have a buddy that does somthing similar to that, though nothing as outrageous as charging three times the actually shipping. He does state his shipping and handling up front and people do bid on his junk (and it is literally that, junk) and he claims no one has complained. Still, I tried to convince him that maybe he'd get more sales if his shipping and "handling" wasn't so high, but he had a list of (all bullshit) reasons he was justified in charging an extra handling charge.

The moral of the story, you're a sucker if you're buying t-shirts on e-bay my buddy is getting at Goodwill for $1.

[NESCollector75]

I have had something like that where the guy quoted me $3.00 US for shipping and handling. I buy the item, and he sends me an email saying that it is going to cost him $22.00 US to send it (SNES game) Surface mail. ended up getting it shipped for 5 with insurance/tracking

[hurstman]

Here is what I do if i catch an auction early enough.If the shipping cost is not listed,before I bid, I email the seller asking the cost of shipping to my zipcode.This usually works(it has for me anyways).BTW Atari7800, that is messed up I HATE retarded ebay sellers!!!!!!!!!

[digitalpress]

Where is the auction?! Let's see it! God this kind of thing aggravates me. And I agree with Achika - we should start a blacklist thread, eBayers we've had bad problems with (and include a reason). Atari7800, I guess you can do the honors! But do share the auction link with us so we can steam over this a little more.

[zektor]

Good thing you didn't agree to those shipping terms. The way this guy has gone about the entire transaction was pretty messed up from the start. If you had agreed and sent the money what is to say he doesn't package it like garbage, or even break the unit in spite. GIve us the sellers name. I want to make sure I don't bid on any of his auctions in the future as well.

[Asylum Seeker]

Even though it was downright dishonest, by purchasing his NES you have entered into a contract. He should have listed shipping costs but didn't therefore by ebay rules you have to follow his terms and conditions.

Now don't get me wrong I totally disgree with this but he could quote $200 for shipping and unless you pay it then you are in the wrong....sorry but that's the way it is. Buyer beware - always confirm shipping up front if not stated in auction!

Saying all that I hate sellers like this - they are a prime example of ebay dishonesty, an all too common occurence.

[Captain Wrong]

Even though it was downright dishonest, by purchasing his NES you have entered into a contract. He should have listed shipping costs but didn't therefore by ebay rules you have to follow his terms and conditions.

Now don't get me wrong I totally disgree with this but he could quote $200 for shipping and unless you pay it then you are in the wrong....sorry but that's the way it is. Buyer beware - always confirm shipping up front if not stated in auction!

Saying all that I hate sellers like this - they are a prime example of ebay dishonesty, an all too common occurence.

Yeah, that was kind of my point about not bidding unless the shipping is explicitly stated. Technically this guy could report you to eBay now as a deadbeat bidder. I hope that doen't happen to you, but it could.

[slapdash]

Even though it was downright dishonest, by purchasing his NES you have entered into a contract. He should have listed shipping costs but didn't therefore by ebay rules you have to follow his terms and conditions.

Nope, the seller broke the contract by raising the price, so the buyer is no longer bound to it.

I bet the guy would have charged more reasonable shipping if you'd taken him up on his offer...

You did the right thing -- refused to deal with him, left negative feedback. I'd have turned him into eBay without a thought.

[Asylum Seeker]

Raising the price of what?

Shipping?

Since shipping wasn't stipulated in the auction and the bidder won the item he is bound by the seller's terms and conditions however crass they may be. All he can say is "Oops I forgot to mention that shipping was $1000" and there is nothing you can do about it except whine and moan.

[Lady Jaye]

Actually, the others are referring to the fact that the seller had second thoughts about what was in the auction, after it has finished. He offered to either sell the dogbone controllers separately, or to include them with the top-loading NES for extra charge (which is against Ebay rules).

[Asylum Seeker]

....but then he changed his mind (crisis of conscience) and stated the original price PLUS shipping.

So even though he messed about, he did eventually quote the winning bid price.....whatever happened between the end of the auction and the email saying he changed his mind is neither here nor there, as in the end he has not asked for anymore than the winning auction bid.

[michael]

Umm the guy UPPED the shipping to fit the price he felt he couldve gotten for the dog bone controllers if he had sold them apart from the lot.

[MrRetroGamer]

Once the guy started screwing around with the original deal, all bets are off. Whether or not he changed his mind again or "came to his senses", he sounds like an immature little baby and at that point he started "singin' the blues", the contract was voided.

I will never bid on an item without finding out the EXACT amount of shipping to my zip code, and by what method.

[Asylum Seeker]

I will never bid on an item without finding out the EXACT amount of shipping to my zip code, and by what method.

You hit the nail on the head.

But in answer to the previous poster, how can you prove that he doesn't have a $30 fixed shipping charge for all his auctions. I know it's far fetched but pretty hard to disprove. He is selling the item at the winning bid and bidders are supposed to abide by the sellers terms and conditions, however ludicrous.

Anyway I feel like I am repeating myself - what this guy is doing is daylight robbery...that's my personal feeling but I am giving you another perspective on things.

[MrRetroGamer]

The problem is that EBAY doesn't really make it clear cut requiring shipping terms and charges to be explicitly stated in the auction. It's more like a blank check approach if it's not stated.

Statements by sellers like "buyer to pay shipping" are too ambiguous. Some sellers don't even put that much in. Do they just make up numbers off the top of their head? I know shipping calculations can be tough to nail down exactly due to weights and zones and various services available, but sellers need to do a better job. If you include a handling charge, be upfront about it. I don't mind paying a small handling charge if it means my package gets boxed and packed and shipped timely and properly.

But, coming up with a padded amount after the fact that includes a F**K YOU charge (because you feel you didn't make enough on the auction) is just crazy.

I state the shipping costs/handling charge/delivery method in all my auctions, and I think this info is just as important as the description of the actual item I have listed for sale.

[Asylum Seeker]

Yes I agree with you but unfortunately most sellers will put something to the effect "Buyer pays shipping to be determined at end of auction"

And ebay allows it....

[Chunky]

i always put the shipping price on the auction for the 48 states, and a choice of UPS or USPS. and i price usps higher cuz i have to pay out of my pocket. I price UPS lower since i just put it on the old company account and it cost me nothing...well sorta.

besides i can track and it's instantly insured.

now if they choose usps, and it's less, too bad i win, if it's way less, i will shove a coupla bills in the package. if it's any more than i posted, i will eat the cost.. Simple as that. USPS.gov is a great easy site to figure out shipping. as long as you can figure out the weight.

[Captain Wrong]

I'm with Asylum Seeker on this. AFAIK as long as the seller is selling the complete auction for the closed price, the buyer is committed. The shipping charge thing, while wrong and highly unethical, doesn't seem to be against eBay's rules. Even if there is something in there about not profiting from shipping, how can you prove it?

Someone who is this shady to begin with could come up wth a line of bullshit to answer any charges and short of requiring a reciept for all shipping related costs, I don't see how it could be proved or disproved. And does anyone honestly think eBay is going to get that involved in this case to research fair shipping prices on a NES and check reciepts?

Perhaps the fact that the seller tried to change the terms of the auction first nulls it. If someone knows this for a fact, let us know. But as far as I can see, it's a binding transaction even with the bullshit shipping.

I'm not trying to start a pissing match here or anything. I'd really like to know the answer to this dilemma. This is the way I understand things, so if it says differently in eBay's rules, show me. I've always thought this was a huge gray area in their rules, so I'd like to know once and for all what is really what.

[chuckydj]

after i posted that letter last nite i got really pissed and left the seller negative feedback. i also decided not to purchase the nintendo since the seller tried to screw me. i get this e-mail today-


"Hello,

I have rethought my original email and decided that it is not fair to you. You will be sold the Nintendo and both controllers at your winning bid . You were a bit hasty in leaving negative feedback. I gave you a very clear choice. Nonetheless, here are the payment instructions:

Please remit the auction payment plus $30 for shipping to:

(edited)

Please make payment for this item within the next ten (10) days by using one of the two types of payment methods listed below:

1. PayPal

2. money order, cashier’s check, personal check (requires 10 day bank clearance period), or cash (United States currency only and be sure to conceal it well. Please only use cash for small amounts and do so with extreme caution. I cannot be responsible for stolen mail.)


Please reply to this email and inform me of the payment method you will use. Thank you for bidding in my auction. I hope that you enjoy your game. Should you have any questions regarding this auction or its payment, please do not hesitate to contact me. "

>:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

this dickhead wants ***$30*** to ship a damn loose top loading Nintendo and two controllers? THIRTY DAMN DOLLARS?

:hmm:

this was my rely-


hello. thank you for the e-mail. how long have you been buying and selling items on ebay? you have a fair amount of feedback. has a seller ever e-mailed you after an auction and gave you the "clear choice" of either paying the SAME amount for LESS than the auction offered or paying MORE for the original auction? i have never had that happen to me before, and i would certainly never give any of my potential buyers the "choice" of paying more or getting less. i don't normally react so strongly to things, but this situation boggles my mind. the fact that you have a wealth of positive feedback is what really gets me.

i have a good friend who has sold 50+ items on Ebay in the past, and most of his auctions have gone well. he has made quite a bit of money on some auctions, barely broke even on some, and flat-out lost money on others. that is the nature and risk of Ebay.
you can go ahead and re-list these items. i will not be buying anything from you as I do not think that I can trust you at this point. $30 is at least TRIPLE what it will cost you to send this item PRIORITY MAIL. you try to rip me off once, then you try again. you deserve the negative feedback. fraud is fraud. please let it be a lesson and something positive. Ebay can be a great (and profitable) thing but dishonesty and taking advantage of people (especially around the holidays!) is just wrong and will get you burnt. had you just e-mailed me the total plus reasonable shipping i would have sent you the money via paypal immediately and this could have all been avoided. your desire for additional profits has left be with a bad taste in my mouth and a well-deserved spot on your otherwise respectable feedback record.

i will not contact Ebay or forward your e-mail to anyone if you leave me alone. you are welcome to leave me negative feedback... i will be watching your future auctions.

there is no need to reply to this e-mail. i will delete any correspondance from you without reading it.

Happy holidays and a Happy New Year!

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how did i do? x_x

Man what a total assmunch that guy is. Sounds like the seller from hell!

[Achika]

Listing Techniques that Circumvent eBay's fee structure
Users may not use systems or techniques to circumvent eBay fees. Some examples include:

* Listings with low prices but unreasonably high shipping or handling costs



http://pages.ebay.com/help/community/png-list.html

Perhaps this case qualifies.

[Captain Wrong]

Right. Now we're getting closer. It's still kind of gray area though. I mean, we all know $30 shipping for a top loader and 2 controllers is absurd, but would eBay (who are notoriously bad about customer service) see it that way? And what would they do about it anyway?

I can think of tons of auctions for printer ink carts (for instance)where the BIN is like $3 and the shipping is $8. There's like a handfull of sellers who are doing this and it still goes on. If you read the feedback from buyers, you'll notice a lot of comments about "Seller shipped media, cost $1.42, charged $8" etc, and they continue to sell in this way.

Thanks for linking that, though. Even though that's the stated policy, I still think there's a pretty big loop hole in it for someone who is so inclined to use it. And it seems to me enforcement is pretty lax.

[MrRetroGamer]

Just remember one thing about EBAY - they get paid from the SELLERS, not the buyers, so it's in their interest to side with the SELLERS. The bottom line in all this is still cash.

[Keir]

Sure, but eBay's losing money everytime someone overcharges on shipping because they don't get a percentage of that. In other words, when see an item with a high shipping cost you usually bid less and since eBay only gets paid for the bid amount they lose too.

[slapdash]

Right. Now we're getting closer. It's still kind of gray area though. I mean, we all know $30 shipping for a top loader and 2 controllers is absurd, but would eBay (who are notoriously bad about customer service) see it that way? And what would they do about it anyway?

If you actually get it shipped, you can send the auction number to eBay, emails detailing shipping costs, and maybe photo of the actual postage and packing material, to the safeharbor URL. If you gripe, eBay might look into it; if you don't gripe, they won't.


I can think of tons of auctions for printer ink carts (for instance)where the BIN is like $3 and the shipping is $8. There's like a handfull of sellers who are doing this and it still goes on. If you read the feedback from buyers, you'll notice a lot of comments about "Seller shipped media, cost $1.42, charged $8" etc, and they continue to sell in this way.

I think, after reading this part from the link Achika posted (thanks!):

"Listings with low prices but unreasonably high shipping or handling costs"

That these people should also contact safeharbor -- it's not like eBay is going to spend the time looking through feedback to see what's going on... If enough people complain, they'll dump that seller.

[Captain Wrong]

I see what you're saying, but mights and maybes aren't good enough for this bidder. Besides, if you go ahead and pay the shipping, get the package, collect the evidence, and then go to eBay, what's the incentive for the seller to refund shipping? He's got your money and if eBay cancels his account, he can always start up another one. (I know people with accounts that did get shut down for various reasons, and it was not difficult at all for them to get back up and running with a new name.)

I suppose if, in this case, the seller tired to complain to eBay about the bidder's refusal to follow through on the auction, the bidder could send the seller's shipping emails to eBay and explain that the shipping charges were out of line. Hopefully eBay would see it that way. According to their rules, that's the way it should go, but personally I'd rather not get involved in anything that requires mediation from eBay.

Which is why I will only bid if the shipping is stated up front. :)

You do have a point with my ink cart example. In that case I think it would work if enough people complained.

It is certaintly in eBay's interest to police these things for reasons Kier stated, and I realize with the number of transactions going on the just can't do it all the time. But I also know eBay has kind of a spotty reputation when it comes to dealing with problems and I really think in a case like this you'd have a hard time getting satisfaction. I think calling it off and moving on is probably the best a person can do.

[Kid Ice]

Raising the price of what?

Shipping?

Since shipping wasn't stipulated in the auction and the bidder won the item he is bound by the seller's terms and conditions however crass they may be. All he can say is "Oops I forgot to mention that shipping was $1000" and there is nothing you can do about it except whine and moan.

Come on. There is such a thing as common sense. When you bid on an item listed as "Buyer to pay actual shipping costs", you already have SOME idea how much it would cost.

For example, let's say I win an auction for a loose Atari cart. Reasonable shipping for this item would be between 80 cents and 2 dollars. 5 dollars is too much. 10 dollars is WAY too much (but I might grin and bear it if its a cart I really want). Another couple dollars over that, and you're in "outrageous" territory.

So, according to you AS, it's OK if I win an auction for a 5 dollar Atari cartridge and get charged 50$ for shipping?

And never mind ebay's rules. There aren't any ebay rules I know of that say you can't take a person's shipping adress, drive to their house, and set it on fire.

the kid

[Retsudo]

Good thing you didn't agree to those shipping terms. The way this guy has gone about the entire transaction was pretty messed up from the start. If you had agreed and sent the money what is to say he doesn't package it like garbage, or even break the unit in spite. GIve us the sellers name. I want to make sure I don't bid on any of his auctions in the future as well.

Yeah it's good that you just squashed the whole thing. The seller is a TARD. Too much for the shipping for this item. I agree with Zektor, he might just break the shit...or he might take a piss in it and send it too you...nothing like a pissy nes x_x :o

[esquire]

I know it's a little late in the game here with this reply, but I think it may help. I recently won this auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1942160882

I thought, what a great deal at a BIN price of $7. I waited til the last 5 minutes of the auction and was still able to win the games at that price. Shortly thereafter I was contacted by the Seller telling me to send $15, $7 for the games, $5 for shipping and $3 for Insurance*. A light went off in my head for two reasons, 1. Insurance throught the USPS only costs $1.30 for the first $50 and 2. Nowhere in the auction did it state that insurance was required. In fact, insurance wasn't mentioned at all, only that the buyer was to pay shipping costs. Thinking insurance was therefore optional, I told the seller that I didn't want insurance, which coincidently was covered by the seller herself (as opposed to the USPS). What happened afterwards became a pissing match, with me finally caving and agreeing to pay the insurance (1. She refused to sell me the items w/o insurance and 2. She threatened to report me as a NPB). Luckily, she left me feedback upon receipt of my payment. So, when I got the items, I left her negative and reported her to Safe Harbor for changing the terms of the auction. I sent Safe Harbor a copy of all her emails wherein she threatened not to sell me the items and to report me as a NPB. Well, the bottom line is that she is no longer a registered user, so it looks like the good guys can win and EBay does look out for the buyers.

Esquire468 :P

[kontos]

Even though it was downright dishonest, by purchasing his NES you have entered into a contract. He should have listed shipping costs but didn't therefore by ebay rules you have to follow his terms and conditions.
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Asylum Seeker is right. As soon as you saw that the deal was going south, you should have backed out of it. I probably wouldn't have even left the feedback for fear of retailiation (and it's a stupid eBay autction, what's the big deal).

Now, you're screwed on the eBay terms. Justified, but screwed.