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Anthony1
12-21-2004, 01:00 AM
Man, I had I Playstation 2 way back in the day, but I only had the thing for about 9 months or so. I got it the day it came out, and then I had it up until about a week prior to the release of Grand Theft Auto 3, the very first one.

I know, I know, what a time to sell the PS2, just when it was starting to turn the corner.


Well, back then I was very dissapointed in the PS2 at that time. I had such high hopes and huge expectations for the PS2, thinking it would be the alpha and the omega, and I was just very dissapointed with the games that were available. I had a Dreamcast at the same time, and I actually liked my Dreamcast better. The only game on the PS2 that really impressed me was Ico. Everything else was very mediocre, and had tons of jaggies and other visual problems. This was very early in the life of the PS2, and certainly, things have definitely changed since then.

But back then I made a decision. The XBOX and the GameCube were about to come out, and I decided to sell all my Dreamcast stuff, and all my PS2 stuff, and that I was going to hop on the XBOX and GameCube bandwagon to the fullest extent. I did that, and for all those years, I never looked back. Actually, there really weren't that many PS2 games that made me wish I had a PS2. A few games here and there, but not that many, and most of the best ones were likely to come to the XBOX in six months anyways, and would probably look and sound quite a bit better. So I really didn't think I was missing out on much.

I was also a big time videophile, and I thought that the PS2 was just a horribly designed system, that was really lacking in the quality of the video that it could put out. I mean, that thing looked like total crap on a HDTV.

But now, things have changed. Years have gone by, and I went Retro wtih my gaming. Going retro helped me learn some things about video games. That I didn't have to have games that were in HDTV, and widescreen with Dolby Digital 5.1 to enjoy them. Good games are good games period. Sure, I still love games that are progressive scan, and widescreen, but I don't absolutely need that, as much as I did in the past.

The main reason I dumped the PS2 was because at the time it didn't have a single game that was progressive scan. I knew that virutally every XBOX game was progressive scan and most of the best GameCube games would be, so I decided to ditch the PS2. Way back in August of 2001.

Here we are, over 3 years later, and I've just been reunited with a shiny brand new PS2. I got the slimline model, because I like the fact that it's nice and tiny, and much more portable. I'm really looking forward to Sony coming out with a nice screen for it, and some type of battery pack. But that's another story.

Anyways, the main reasons that I decided to get a PS2 after all these years, is that I think that I've missed a number of very big time games that I really should have experienced. Plus a lot of really new games, that look really cool were coming out this year. And a few more games are coming along that are supporting progressive scan, which is nice.

I got a big batch of games to keep my PS2 comfy and cosy this XMAS. Of course I got San Andreas, what a really cool game that is. The GTA 3 games just have a unique flavor all their own. I would rather see it on XBOX, but it's nice to play it now and not have to wait 8 months or whatever. I also got Ratch and Clank: Up Your Arsenal, what a sweet game that is!!! Man, one thing that the PS2 really has over the other consoles is the 3D action platform game. Speaking of those, I got Jak 3 as well. I got Killzone, to see just how far programmers have been able to go with the PS2. Pretty impressive for a PS2 game. Maybe a little too ambitious, but cool regardless. I got Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater, had to check that puppy out. I also got Neo Contra, because I'm a big fan of the 16 bit era Contra's, but I must admit that I'm not too thrilled with this one. On the old school side, I got Ico to revist that, and I got Contra Shattered Soldier, a game that I never tried before.

Still a bunch more games that I want to check out on PS2. Wow, I know I'm very late to the PS2 party, but there are some really cool games on this system. Once you get past the fact that the PS2 isn't any kind of technological marvel, then you realize that there are still some damn good pieces of software on it.


And it looks nice in warm vanilla pudding too!!!

classicb
12-21-2004, 01:30 AM
without a good game to step too...

Oobgarm
12-21-2004, 06:46 AM
The main reason I dumped the PS2 was because at the time it didn't have a single game that was progressive scan.

That's insane. x_x

digitalpress
12-21-2004, 07:20 AM
Glad to see you're back in the PS2 camp. I love my PS2. I really love all of my consoles but I still play PS2 the most right now. You've chosen an excellent batch of games to get you started, you're looknig at about 200 hours of gametime right there!

I've been engrossed in GTA: San Andreas since it came out. I finished all the missions then went back to find all the extra stuff. The exploration in the game has been the most fun to me. The architecture of the virtual world Rockstar has built... it's simply awesome.

I've got the new Sly Cooper game and Metal Gear Solid 3 on my Xmas list so I hope to be playing at least one of those on our long New Years' weekend.

We're building our PS2 database online as well, so you can always check back there for references.

Enjoy your "rekindling" with your PS2!

youruglyclone
12-21-2004, 07:42 AM
I thought rants are usually negative...this is more of a lovefest. but me I'm willing to own every system as long as there is a couple of titles worth playing.

tholly
12-21-2004, 08:17 AM
I thought rants are usually negative...this is more of a lovefest. but me I'm willing to own every system as long as there is a couple of titles worth playing.


im the same, but take off the as long as there is a couple of titles worth playing.....personally, ill own a system just to own it, doesnt even matter to me how good the games are (hence why i own a Game.com)

Nature Boy
12-21-2004, 11:03 AM
I just can't *imagine* selling a console these days, especially one of the newer ones (since I play my PS2/Xbox/GC *way* more than I play the retro stuff). Even if the money was tight I'd hold onto everything like grim death and *wait* until I could get that next platform...

(Not that I'm criticising your decision - I'm just trying to picture myself doing something similar and I can't).

Cmosfm
12-21-2004, 11:20 AM
The main reason I dumped the PS2 was because at the time it didn't have a single game that was progressive scan.

That's insane. x_x

Tell me about it. :roll:

Anthony1
12-21-2004, 04:21 PM
The main reason I dumped the PS2 was because at the time it didn't have a single game that was progressive scan.

That's insane. x_x

Tell me about it. :roll:



You know what, you guys can say that, but at the time that the PS2 was about to come out, I was a total HDTV nut. Even more than a video game nut. I had a Sega Dreamcast, and every game that I had was 480p and looked incredible on my HDTV set. At this time, back in the year 2000, that was a pretty amazing thing. So Sony came along and was talking about how the PS2 has going to be compatible with HDTV, and that supposedly it was going to have some games at 720p and stuff like that. So I went to the e3 of 2000, and I saw the PS2 first hand before it came out. I talked to ton of the Sony people there, and I asked them if it really was going to have HDTV games, and they all said yes. Then the day it came out, I got one, I had the component cable and I hooked it up to my HDTV, and the picture was total crap. Jaggie city to the freaking extreme.

Well, you have to remember that at this time I was totally brainwashed by everything related to HDTV, and as much as I was enjoying my Dreamcast in 480p, the fact that the PS2 didn't have any progressive scan games, that really pissed me off.

I know that it must sound totally stupid to you, but what can I say. I admit that I actually thought that. I know that it's very funny to me now. I can totally apreciate the beauty of non progresssive scan games now. After going retro, all that technological crap kinda evaporated. I still love things to be as technically advanced as possible, but I'm loving San Andreas in my warm Strawberry custard.

Anthony1
12-21-2004, 04:35 PM
I just can't *imagine* selling a console these days, especially one of the newer ones (since I play my PS2/Xbox/GC *way* more than I play the retro stuff). Even if the money was tight I'd hold onto everything like grim death and *wait* until I could get that next platform...

(Not that I'm criticising your decision - I'm just trying to picture myself doing something similar and I can't).


Well, see, there is two sides to Anthony1. There is the pre Retro Era, and the post Retro Era, and they are very different.

B.R. (Before Retro) I used to sell off my old systems, to pay for my new. It was standard operating procedure. I didn't have much cash, and I really couldn't afford the brand new systems and controllers and games and everything that you have to buy each time a new system came out.

But the thing is, that I was totally addicted to video games, and I was always dreaming of the latest and greatest video game wonders. Each new system brought with it untold capabilities and power. You talk about an early adopter, if you look it up in the dictionary, my mug shot should be right there beside it.

So not having any money, what I always would do is sell of the old, to pay for the new. But I must stress that I didnt' come close to giving my stuff away. I was very shrewd about that, and I would selll my systems before their value would totally plummet. I would still get damn good money for them, and I only bought the best games, and I would get good money for those too. It sucks that all of this happened before I knew Ebay existed. I would have gotten even more money for my stuff.

But, the fact of the matter is this. I sold my NES, got a TG-16, got a Genesis, sold my TG-16, for big money by the way, and got a SNES. Got a Sega CD, sold my SNES and Sega CD and Genny for a Neo Geo. Sold Neo Geo and got back my SNES and Gensis. Then I added a Atari Jaguar, and then a 3DO. I also got a 32X. This was the most systems that I ever had at one time. I had a 3DO, Jaguar, Genesis, 32X and SNES simulatenously. Then I sold the Jaguar and 32x and Genesis and got a Saturn, and then later a Playstation. Then I sold the SNES and got a Nintendo 64. So I had a N64, PS1 and Saturn, and then before the Saturn was about to totally collapse in price, I actually got alot of money for it, I almost feel quilty about it. I sold it to this little kid and his dad. I knew the Saturn would die very soon, but I sold it to them anyways for big money. Anyways, I got rid of my Saturn and 3DO and got a 3DFX PC system for stuff like Unreal. So I had a 3DFX PC and a PS1. Then I got rid of the PS1, and quite a bit later got a Dreamcast. Then PS2, then got rid of PS2 and Dreamcast and got XBOX and GameCube.


The thing is, every single one of those systems were purchased on launch day, except 3.

1. NES - I got this as a XMAS present
2. TG-16 - I got it about 2 months after it came out
3. Genesis - I got this about 6 months after it came out


That was it. Every other single system I had on day one. And then I had it for a all of it's really significant lifespan. But once it started to slip, and if a new system was about to come out, then out with the old and in with the new.

I just spend thousands and thousands over this last year to get all my old systems back. I learned my lesson. Might as well keep at least one of each system till I die.

Cmosfm
12-21-2004, 04:46 PM
The main reason I dumped the PS2 was because at the time it didn't have a single game that was progressive scan.

That's insane. x_x

Tell me about it. :roll:



You know what, you guys can say that, but at the time that the PS2 was about to come out, I was a total HDTV nut. Even more than a video game nut. I had a Sega Dreamcast, and every game that I had was 480p and looked incredible on my HDTV set. At this time, back in the year 2000, that was a pretty amazing thing. So Sony came along and was talking about how the PS2 has going to be compatible with HDTV, and that supposedly it was going to have some games at 720p and stuff like that. So I went to the e3 of 2000, and I saw the PS2 first hand before it came out. I talked to ton of the Sony people there, and I asked them if it really was going to have HDTV games, and they all said yes. Then the day it came out, I got one, I had the component cable and I hooked it up to my HDTV, and the picture was total crap. Jaggie city to the freaking extreme.

Well, you have to remember that at this time I was totally brainwashed by everything related to HDTV, and as much as I was enjoying my Dreamcast in 480p, the fact that the PS2 didn't have any progressive scan games, that really pissed me off.

I know that it must sound totally stupid to you, but what can I say. I admit that I actually thought that. I know that it's very funny to me now. I can totally apreciate the beauty of non progresssive scan games now. After going retro, all that technological crap kinda evaporated. I still love things to be as technically advanced as possible, but I'm loving San Andreas in my warm Strawberry custard.

Yeah, it did sound stupid. LOL

But than again, I haven't had a problem out of my 15 year old 22" TV yet, and I can play all my games on it just fine. :)

Sylentwulf
12-21-2004, 05:56 PM
Must....................Ignore.................... ....Post......................

hezeuschrist
12-21-2004, 06:31 PM
Must....................Ignore.................... ....Post......................

+1. You failed.

Kroogah
12-21-2004, 06:31 PM
without a good game to step too...

Think of how many weak games you slept through...
Time's up. Sorry I kept you.

GREATNESS
12-21-2004, 06:45 PM
Yeah I learned my lesson myself, I came close to selling my systems plenty of times but never did it. Glad that I didnt

jdc
12-21-2004, 08:11 PM
I also came back to a PS2 after 2 years of XboX addiction. The XboX library went off in a direction where there was and is barely anything that I want to play. That's okay.

The PS2 has so much software at low prices and the diversity and size of the library is astounding, especially when you factor in backwards compatibility. Like was mentioned, you just have to forget about the limitations of the hardware and enjoy the games.

LootRn
12-21-2004, 08:26 PM
You picked up alot of really good games for the ps2, but man you could have waited on a few of those and picked up a few older ones for dirt cheap. I think you will regret playing San Andreas first as it is a marked improvement over vice city---as vice city was over GTA3. Same with Ratchet and Clank, Jak, Metal Gear Solid.

I found that my love for a particular systems rises and lowers, I went for about 2 years without playing my ps2, now I'm playing that the most (San Andreas..but than NBA street, bought for 5 bucks, dynasty warriors (5 bucks) and a bunch of 'older' games.


I have all three systems, and I think the next go round I will by one system (love it to death) and then buy another ----for much cheaper--- and then buy the last one----for dirt cheap!

edit---I hardly ever play xbox now, 6 months ago it was all xbox, 6 months before that all game cube.

Jibbajaba
12-21-2004, 10:55 PM
Nevermind.

Chris

Nature Boy
12-22-2004, 07:35 AM
I just spend thousands and thousands over this last year to get all my old systems back. I learned my lesson. Might as well keep at least one of each system till I die.

Like I said, I wasn't trying to be critical of your decision, just saying I can't see myself doing it (and what you've said above is why).

I have pre/post days too, but back in high school I sold my NES to buy a leather jacket. The next system I bought after selling my NES was a SNES, which was at least 5 years later, and I've not sold it or any other system since...

(I have two machines I've never even considered selling - my Atari 400 & Atari 800 XL, but I'm sure part of that was that my dad had them during those years when I'd sell anything in order to buy stuff).

YoshiM
12-22-2004, 08:36 AM
I am very hard pressed to get a PS2. I'm not a Sony fan. I loathe the controls. The loading times are atrocious. On a visual level on its day of release I wondered how the hell this thing could beat out the Dreamcast (which rocked my Casbah). My bro-in-law bought one off of eBay not long after the system released so over its lifespan I was able to sample the PS2 library (trying to keep an open mind). There were a few sparkling gems (GTA 3, Parappa the Rapper 2, Red Faction, ummmmm I can't think of any others) but a lot of the stuff that was touted as "hot" seemed pretty average to me (Devil May Cry, Silent Hill 2, Tekken Tag, Metal Gear Solid 2 come to mind). Eventually I stopped playing it as did everyone else in the group. A few months ago my brother in law either sold it or traded it in.

Am I missing "great" titles? Maybe, but I really don't care. Between my Xbox and Gamecube (well, mainly Xbox at the moment) my modern console cravings are pretty much satisfied.

Anthony1
12-22-2004, 11:44 AM
I am very hard pressed to get a PS2. I'm not a Sony fan. I loathe the controls. The loading times are atrocious. On a visual level on its day of release I wondered how the hell this thing could beat out the Dreamcast (which rocked my Casbah). My bro-in-law bought one off of eBay not long after the system released so over its lifespan I was able to sample the PS2 library (trying to keep an open mind). There were a few sparkling gems (GTA 3, Parappa the Rapper 2, Red Faction, ummmmm I can't think of any others) but a lot of the stuff that was touted as "hot" seemed pretty average to me (Devil May Cry, Silent Hill 2, Tekken Tag, Metal Gear Solid 2 come to mind). Eventually I stopped playing it as did everyone else in the group. A few months ago my brother in law either sold it or traded it in.

Am I missing "great" titles? Maybe, but I really don't care. Between my Xbox and Gamecube (well, mainly Xbox at the moment) my modern console cravings are pretty much satisfied.


Well, the XBOX provides alot of love, I will admit that. Virtually every multiplatform game is going to sound better and look better on the XBOX. Especially if you have a HDTV and a Dolby Digital soundsystem.

But the PS2 does have it's share or exclusives that are pretty damn compelling.

Right now, I would have to say that Rachet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal, is just a fantastic game. And of course San Andreas is a work of art as well.

Those are two very recent PS2 games, that aren't available on XBOX or Cube, and they are 2 of the best games currently available on the planet right now.

YoshiM
12-22-2004, 12:00 PM
But the PS2 does have it's share or exclusives that are pretty damn compelling.

Right now, I would have to say that Rachet & Clank: Up Your Arsenal, is just a fantastic game. And of course San Andreas is a work of art as well.

Those are two very recent PS2 games, that aren't available on XBOX or Cube, and they are 2 of the best games currently available on the planet right now.

I played the original Rachet & Clank. There wasn't anything overly compelling to get me to continue playing it so that pretty much put the kabosh on any interest in the game's sequels. San Andreas is coming to the Xbox next year so I can wait (if I even play it). Plus my general dislike of anything Playstation pretty much takes care of any interest as well. But hey, that's just me :D .

8-bitNesMan
07-12-2007, 05:49 PM
Bumping up an oldie cause I'm curious... So Anthony1, ye of the novel length rants, are you still diggin the PS2?

RARusk
07-12-2007, 10:31 PM
"The main reason I dumped the PS2 was because at the time it didn't have a single game that was progressive scan."

Have you played around with Xploder HDTV yet?

agbulls
07-12-2007, 10:35 PM
"The main reason I dumped the PS2 was because at the time it didn't have a single game that was progressive scan."

Have you played around with Xploder HDTV yet?

Dude, believe me --- Anthony doesn't need that anymore. Note his original post was three years ago. I'm pretty sure he has a PS3 now anyways...I think.

Anthony1
07-13-2007, 12:34 AM
Wow, talk about an oldie but goodie. I read this thing, and man, it seems kinda funny now. That did happen though. I got a slimline PS2 not long after they came out, it was the first time having a PS2 since August 2001. So I didn't have a PS2 for a very long time. I had just missed so many damn games on the PS2, and I wanted to check some of them out. Especially the platformers. The PS2 had the Ratchet series, the Jak series, Sly Cooper, etc, etc. And San Andreas was a huge factor at that time too.


I don't currently own a PS2 right now. I sold my PS2 around September 2005 or so. What happened, is that I got really excited about the upcoming launch of the Xbox 360, and I sold my PS2, two Xbox systems that I had, my GameCube, and all my games and everything. Basically, I knew that when the 360 came out, I was going to hop on that bandwagon big time, and I also knew that I could always revisit the PS2, Xbox and GameCube era at a later date. Even when I was selling all those current gen systems (at the time they were current), I knew that I would get each one of them again at some point. It would just be a matter of time. I would eventually see a Xbox or PS2 or Cube at a thrift store for dirt cheap, and I would pick it up and then revisit it.


Well, funny this thread popped back up, cause just two days ago I bought an Xbox 1 off Craigslist. I got one for $65, plus 2 controllers and 4 games. I figured it was a pretty decent deal, so I said what the heck. I will definitely pick up a PS2 and a Cube at some point too. With the PS2, I'll want a slimline unit, and those still aren't that cheap. If only I could see somebody taking one of them into a GameStop. I'll try to catch them before they walk in an offer them $50 cash. I think GameStop only gives $40 store credit or something. The Cube, I'll probably wait to find at a thrift store for like $35 or so. I do have a PS3, so I could play PS2 games on that, but I don't really have much of a desire to. I'd be more interested in playing a PS1 game on it.

I'm sure in about another 5 years, I'll really be interested in re-visiting games of the last gen, but right now, I'm more into either super next-gen, or old school stuff like TG-16 and SNES.

swlovinist
07-13-2007, 10:10 AM
Well, it is funny how the PS2 is now finally getting some recognition with Sony being such a dufus with the PS3 pricing. I bought one on day one(first new system). My system died four years later, after extensive playing. I now have a slim and have not looked back. After other game systems have died along the wayside, there is the PS2 chugging away with some kick ass games. There is something for everybody, I mean EVERYBODY. The system will not die, and appears to be not affected that much with other next gen systems too bad. If anything, it might get more ports due the the Wii. Here are the ten reasons why I absolutely love the system

1. Tons of games. Racing(Burnout, Gran Turismo)Fighting(Tekken, MK, Soul Calibur, Dead or Alive, Guilty Gear, Street Fighter Anniversary, Anthology) RPG
(Final Fantasy Series, Desgia/Strategy RPG), Reto Compliations(Taito Memories 1,2, Genesis Collection, etc,) Bizarre games( REZ, Katamari, Cookies n Cream, Frequency, etc, etc

2. Still Supported. God of War 2, , Raiden III, Taito Memories 2, Burnout, are just some of the games that have came out in the last 6 months that I have enjoyed. There are more to come, abit not many A+ titles left, but hey the system is going on 7+ years. The Dreamcast lasted 3, The Xbox and Gamecube 5, and that is by a thread.

3. Looks glorius on a standard TV. I have a "Wallmart Special" Phillips 20 inch with component. I did break down and buy component cables for my system, but compared to my other systems hooked up to my TV, the PS2 has the sharpest clean visuals of my Xbox, Wii, and even my 360 that all have component cables.

4. Cheap Ass Games everywhere. Many classic games ranging from 5 to 17.99 used. Many classic retro games that kick ass. The systems games can be found everywhere, and in good quanity. Time to start collecting while you can still find the games.

5. The closest thing we will get to a "retro system". At $129.99 the system will probably be around another couple of years on the shelf. This system will not only be one of the cheapest, but there will be alot of $19.99 budget titles to come out for it in the next couple of years. I look forward to getting on the PS2 collecting banwagon now.

zektor
07-13-2007, 04:59 PM
Yah know, it's funny. I have recently been revisiting, but doing so with the Dreamcast rather than the PS2. I am still amazed at what this little beast can do...and also amazed at how many really *good* games there are for it. It has also reminded me that it really isn't about what is bigger and better (HDTV, etc), but that good gameplay is what it really is all about. Hopefully we're blessed with many great games like these on this generation of systems.

FoxyGamer
07-13-2007, 09:12 PM
Am I missing "great" titles?

Quite frankly, yes. Big time.

Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Katamari Damacy, Okami, Gitaroo Man, Disgaea... the list goes on.

bangtango
07-13-2007, 09:16 PM
Quite frankly, yes. Big time.

Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Katamari Damacy, Okami, Gitaroo Man, Disgaea... the list goes on.

The guy you're quoting wrote that 3 years ago, man 8-)

Cryomancer
07-13-2007, 09:42 PM
I'd like the ps2 a whole lot more if i didn't have to import/pirate to play the games i want, and if it would actually read the discs when i did.

FoxyGamer
07-13-2007, 09:44 PM
The guy you're quoting wrote that 3 years ago, man 8-)


Prolly should look at that before i make myself look like a jackass :D

PapaStu
07-13-2007, 11:18 PM
Oopsie! Forgot to shimmy this to Modern Gaming.

**PUNT**

8-bitNesMan
07-14-2007, 10:41 AM
This is what I can't figure out to save my life. I have a original PS1, a PS1 LCD combo, a fatty PS2, and a PS3. Why do I still want a silver slimline PS2? I was on vacation with some buddies about a month or so ago and at night in the hotel we would get bored. While browsing the local Wal-Mart I almost convinced myself that we needed a silver PS2 to watch movies on. Do any of you think that the PS2 will hit that magical $99 price point anytime soon? Oh well, I guess it will go nicely with that silver PSP I'll inevitably be picking up :D