Nintendo Revolution = No D-Pad or A/B Buttons

[Ernster]

According to the latest edition 'The Diamond Weekly', one of Japan's premier economic weeklies, Nintendo's upcoming console will be revolutionary indeed. The Nintendo Revolution is supposed to lack a D-pad and A/B buttons!

Nintendo has stressed out that the Revolution would indeed involve a whole new gaming experience, but removing the most recognizable controls...

The Diamond Weekly did not mention any other details about the Nintendo Revolution, nor did Nintendo officially react on the rumours yet. And thus, the wait for E3 2005 continues...

Source www.cube-europe.com

Damm I hope this isn't true. The D-Pad is a part of Nintendo's legacy, I dont wan't it to disappear :( Anyway just a rumour but I have a feeling it may be true.

[FantasiaWHT]

I can't stand analog sticks... I use d-pads at all possible opportunities :)

[soniko_karuto]

u-force!!!!

[Querjek]

Think of it: complete touch control. A controller split into seperate control per hand.

[joshnickerson]

Instead, it will sport a Q pad and G/K buttons! LOL
If this is true, then we can pretty much discount any possiblity of the system being backward compatable with Cube games.
I do remember that the protos for the Cube controllers didn't have a D-Pad (someone from this board actually bought some a few weeks ago, if memory serves) and Nintendo didn't add it on until some developers expressed concern for lack of digital control...
But somehow, I have to take this with a grain of salt... actually, a whole dumptruck full of salt.

[soniko_karuto]

Instead, it will sport a Q pad and G/K buttons! LOL

OMG YOU'RE KILLING ME!!
seriously.
of boredom. :hmm:

Why are people so obsessed with backwards compatibility? It does save space, but where is the love? Would you guys still have those 2600 or c64 liying around? or did you tossed them out the window the day emulation started?

[digitalpress]

Why are people so obsessed with backwards compatibility? It does save space, but where is the love?

WHAT DOES THIS QUESTION EVEN MEAN.

Where is the love for what? The older game being played on the new system? Answer: the love is for the original system as its games are still being played. The newer system with an older game in it? It's SHEER love for gamers when you can play your older games on your new system instead of throwing them in a box or selling them off.


Would you guys still have those 2600 or c64 liying around?

Um.. of course! Do you know where you are? Did you miss the banner that appeared on every page of this site for two months "WE LOVE ATARI 2600"?


or did you tossed them out the window the day emulation started?

These forums are heavily populated by collectors, perhaps you haven't noticed during your rampant +1 posting spree. I'd suggest you take a little time to read some of the threads, visit some of the site's pages, and get a better understanding of the community you're visiting.

Post again when you're clear on that.

[qbertandernie]

amen.

[MegaDrive20XX]

so lemme get this right...a super sensitive analog will take over D-pads and no A/B buttons??

No..nope...I'm not having it....sorry Nintendo, nice knowing ya, bye bye now :)

[grayrobertos]

Prays to god this isnt true. Ive got the proto with the lac of a d pad and allthough fun theres more use for a dpad that a single button that they replaced it with. Thats why I can't see it being true.

However...

I believe the revelution will come with a standard controller and something else completely crazy. Its possible it will be something esentialand revelutionary that sony and ms will copy. But odds on that its a touchpad or a power glove.

and one reckon a touch pad controler with no analog or buttons at all. And that the game maker sticks a template on it and asignes each bit of the touch pad a button an analog etc? Crazy eh. They you would only have as many buttons as you would ever need. Its a pretty poor idea but u never know.

[kainemaxwell]

Very intresting article. Hope this develops in a poisistive light for both Nintendo and for consumers.

[Cmosfm]

so lemme get this right...a super sensitive analog will take over D-pads and no A/B buttons??

No..nope...I'm not having it....sorry Nintendo, nice knowing ya, bye bye now :)

We all said this SAME shit when the DS was announced, "Two Screens? Meh, nintendo sucks. This shit is stupid, nintendo can kiss it goodbye, I wont buy this crap, PSP will rule them"

Now look at it.

I've bought a DS.

TONS of people here have bought a DS.

We all love it.

So don't even start the Nintendo hating yet, cause I don't want to see a replay of the crap that went on months back.

[max 330 mega]

it seems like it may be a neat idea, I hope nintendo doesn't do something they will regret with this though. I have faith so far.

[MegaDrive20XX]

so lemme get this right...a super sensitive analog will take over D-pads and no A/B buttons??

No..nope...I'm not having it....sorry Nintendo, nice knowing ya, bye bye now :)

We all said this SAME shit when the DS was announced, "Two Screens? Meh, nintendo sucks. This shit is stupid, nintendo can kiss it goodbye, I wont buy this crap, PSP will rule them"

Now look at it.

I've bought a DS.

TONS of people here have bought a DS.

We all love it.

So don't even start the Nintendo hating yet, cause I don't want to see a replay of the crap that went on months back.

This has nothing to do with Nintendo bashing, so dont ever judge me.

The controls are the issue here. I personally don't like Analog.

I'm simply stating, if Nintendo gets rid of it's primary controls, I'm done with Nintendo period. Doesn't mean I hate them.

[Daria]

I can't stand analog sticks... I use d-pads at all possible opportunities :)

I was like that during the PSone era. After I just got used to analog sticks I find many of my old PSone games play a lot smoother with them. I don't see this as being any big leap for Nintendo, even though the n64 had a d-pad most titles didn't even support it, at least none that I own.

The only games I've ever played that had to have a d-pad were 2D titles and puzzle games. And I don't see Nintendo releasing too many of them now adays anyway.

[badinsults]

I personally wish Nintendo had kept a similar design to the N64 controller, but with the Gamecube type analog stick. The large D-pad on the N64 was awesome!

At any rate, it is true that most people mocked Nintendo when they first announced the DS, but it became something that is highly sought after. I'm sure that anything different that Nintendo comes up with will be good. I wouldn't take any of these rumors with anything more than a grain of salt.

[Dobie]

It'll be interesting to see what they come up with. Can't fault Ninty for attempting to take things in a different direction. Who knows--it could be better than the standard controller formats out there now.

[Dr. Morbis]

This reminds me of the big fuss people made when Jobs announced that the imac wouldn't have a floppy drive. One day soon there won't be a D-pad on any home consoles. 'The masses' won't miss them and most people won't care.

[mycarsucks]

aaaaaaaaaaaa

[delafro]

Have faith in the Big N. If this new thing ends up being true, no doubt the man in my avatar will make sure that it's replaced by a great idea.

[zektor]

Hmm. this may actually be a really cool thing. Perhaps Nintendo recognizes that the touch screen on the DS unit is more or less the future of controll, and will design a controller based on this function. Imagine a game pad which contains two touch screens. One where the control pad would be (and would act as a digital/analog controller), and one where buttons would be...and perhaps that can work as does the DS with a backlit screen, displaying a different arrangement and number of game buttons as programmed for the game by the designers. Of course my thoughts are mere speculation, but it may happen.

[calthaer]

I'm sure that even if it's not standard on the system you'll probably still be able to get pads that have D-pads and whatnot if they decide to do any retro stuff. Seeing that Retro is big for the big N...

[CartCollector]

Remember, when Nintendo takes things in a "different direction," they might get a DS or a Virtual Boy. But also remember, Nintendo usually is trend-setting when it comes to controllers. Note that if you removed L2, R2, and the analog sticks from a PS2 controller, you'd basically have a SNES controller.

[mr_jiggles_13]

NO MORE STICKY BUTTONS!

YAY!

[scooterb23]

I'm going to wait until the system comes out, and I get to play a game or two before I decide how I feel about the controller.

Oops, sorry rational thought there...

[Ernster]

Have faith in the Big N. If this new thing ends up being true, no doubt the man in my avatar will make sure that it's replaced by a great idea.

I wouldnt be so sure, after all Miyamoto was the so called 'Genious" who made the rather crappy Gamecube controller x_x

[Bratwurst]

http://www.enn.ie/Files/1032513230-canesta.jpg

[TheRedEye]

I prefer to think of "Nintendo" as one guy sitting in a room starting flame wars on the internet and laughing.

[evilmess]

After I learned how to control Samus on the DS with the stylus I was thinking that the technology used for the touch pads on laptop computers to control the mouse could be used very nicely in a game controller in place of the analog stick(s).

This is somewhat noteworthy news (rumor) but still to early for me to make a judgement call here. I'd much rather spin the possibilties than speculate on the downsides at least until we have some concrete evidence of what Nintendo is coooking up the their labs.

[FantasiaWHT]

Have faith in the Big N. If this new thing ends up being true, no doubt the man in my avatar will make sure that it's replaced by a great idea.

I wouldnt be so sure, after all Miyamoto was the so called 'Genious" who made the rather crappy Gamecube controller x_x

Why does that keep popping up? Just because you don't like something doesn't make it bad. I can't stand Halo or GTA or FFVII but I wouldn't call them crappy. The GC controller setup is quite intelligent, especially considering the focus the GC has on two-button gameplay.

I wonder if the new control setup is jumping miles ahead and going for thought-controlled video games mwaaahaaahaa!

Oh, to reply to a reply to me before, I NEED to use Dpads to navigate menus, grid based boards/maps, or cycling through anything. Movement with analog sticks is fine, but they just don't work for me with those things I listed above :)

Oh and the only thing that kept Imacs alive were college campuses :P

[Ernster]

Have faith in the Big N. If this new thing ends up being true, no doubt the man in my avatar will make sure that it's replaced by a great idea.

I wouldnt be so sure, after all Miyamoto was the so called 'Genious" who made the rather crappy Gamecube controller x_x

Why does that keep popping up? Just because you don't like something doesn't make it bad.

Actaully, if I dont like something than it does make it bad........TO ME. :-P

[petewhitley]

We all said this SAME shit when the DS was announced, "Two Screens? Meh, nintendo sucks. This shit is stupid, nintendo can kiss it goodbye, I wont buy this crap, PSP will rule them"


I remember pretty clearly this board being pro-DS from the day it was announced.

[Push Upstairs]

My gripe with the DS is its lack of an analog stick, not its lack of a D-pad.

AND NO, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT THE TOUCH SCREEN.



That being said, i hope that Nintendo designs a better controller in the future because everything post-SNES has been uncomfortable and (IMO) poorly designed.

[Promophile]

I find the gamecube controller to be one of the more comfortable of the current gen ones. Hell, look at previous nintendo controllers. can you HONESTLY say the orginal NES controller was good!?!

[Push Upstairs]

I can honestly say that square corners on a rectangle sure beats cramming my hands in extra close proximity to control an N64 game.

Long fingers and N64 controllers just don't mix. Its similar to why i think the GBA will always be a better system (to hold) than the SP.

[Ernster]

I find the gamecube controller to be one of the more comfortable of the current gen ones. Hell, look at previous nintendo controllers. can you HONESTLY say the orginal NES controller was good!?!

I honestly have no problem with the rectangle piece of plastic AKA the NES controller. It's not like when your holding it, that your wrapping your hands around the corners.

As for GC the reason I dont like it, is due to the following:

- Pitiful D-Pad. Nintendo invented it, and now they have ruined it.
- Crappy shaped buttons
- Pitiful button layout. Give me a N64, SNES or even PSX layout any day
- L and R buttons are too "clicky" I wish they were just one depth of button , not L1, L2 etc.
- It feels like its missing an extra button
- Z button is awful
- The "handles of the controller is a tad too small, and this is coming from a guy whos about 5 foot 3

[Sylentwulf]

"RPG's? We don't need no stinking RPG'S! Look how good our last 2 console did without them!"

Analog stick RPG's suck. As for the A/B buttons.....? Are they trying to say they'll have NO buttons, or they'll be 1,2 buttons?

[NESaholic]

I can't stand analog sticks... I use d-pads at all possible opportunities :)

Same here i hate 'm!

[grayrobertos]

Im pretty sure this is 100% made up I saw the same artical over on nintendo.com they quoted there source as a really dogey website. So i would pretty much forget this idea until we hear some proper info. It also said they will not have traditional buttons. not no buttons. Maybe it wil simply be a different type of button. if there is an ounce of truth in it.

[Kilik Kurosawa]

what ever the controller is I hope it is wireless at launch

[kainemaxwell]

As for GC the reason I dont like it, is due to the following:

- Pitiful D-Pad. Nintendo invented it, and now they have ruined it.
- Crappy shaped buttons
- Pitiful button layout. Give me a N64, SNES or even PSX layout any day
- L and R buttons are too "clicky" I wish they were just one depth of button , not L1, L2 etc.
- It feels like its missing an extra button
- Z button is awful
- The "handles of the controller is a tad too small, and this is coming from a guy whos about 5 foot 3
That's pretty much why I hadn't gotten a GC either, the controller.

[Captain Wrong]

I'm going to wait until the system comes out, and I get to play a game or two before I decide how I feel about the controller.

Oops, sorry rational thought there...


BOOOOO!!!

That's no fun.

[Daria]

Analog stick RPG's suck.

They do? o.O

Maybe in 2D but... they're the perfect match for 3D rpgs. Hell I couldn't even play Morrowind on the PC because I couldn't emulate the xbox controller configuration. And then there was shadow Madness for the PSX, using a d-pad I was physically stuck in this corridor and convinced myself the game was broken for nearly two years until I went back and tried it with analog.

D-pads just don't cut it for 360 degree movement.

[PC-Famicom64]

According to the latest edition 'The Diamond Weekly', one of Japan's premier economic weeklies, Nintendo's upcoming console will be revolutionary indeed. The Nintendo Revolution is supposed to lack a D-pad and A/B buttons!

Nintendo has stressed out that the Revolution would indeed involve a whole new gaming experience, but removing the most recognizable controls...

The Diamond Weekly did not mention any other details about the Nintendo Revolution, nor did Nintendo officially react on the rumours yet. And thus, the wait for E3 2005 continues...

Source www.cube-europe.com

Damm I hope this isn't true. The D-Pad is a part of Nintendo's legacy, I dont wan't it to disappear :( Anyway just a rumour but I have a feeling it may be true.This is a Hoax!, A-cord-did to Satoru Iwata:The Revolution will have the same controller as the Game Cube but it will have a C-Button next to the L-Button just lack the Z-Button is next to the R-Button puls a Select-Button.

[JJNova]

The controls are the issue here. I personally don't like Analog.

I'm simply stating, if Nintendo gets rid of it's primary controls, I'm done with Nintendo period. Doesn't mean I hate them.

Then you must not play a lot of GameCuebw, or just have a completely diffrent library of game sthan I.
The GameCube thrives on analog controls. To be hones, if not for invetory selection, I'm not sure if the D-Pad is used in most games. How is anyone going to miss the D-Pad? Anyone?

Don't get me wrong, I as in the same boat for a long time. My Playstation's controllers didn't know they had an analog stick. I would never use them except for camera control. I hated them. I hated the response, I haved the feeling. I just plain hated it. It wasn't videogaming in my opinion.

Of course, leave it to Nintendo to develop a controller where I HAVE to use an analog stick.

Alas, we have addapted. But if you are yseripously claiming that Nintendo has lost your love because they eliminate the Directional Pad, then they must have already lost your love.

There is no possible way you are playing games with the current D-Pad unless your fingers have an equivalent girth to a singel toothpick.

[MegaDrive20XX]

The controls are the issue here. I personally don't like Analog.

I'm simply stating, if Nintendo gets rid of it's primary controls, I'm done with Nintendo period. Doesn't mean I hate them.

Then you must not play a lot of GameCuebw, or just have a completely diffrent library of game sthan I.
The GameCube thrives on analog controls. To be hones, if not for invetory selection, I'm not sure if the D-Pad is used in most games. How is anyone going to miss the D-Pad? Anyone?

I have played my good share of all the Cube titles, I do know it thrives on the analog stick. The only time I would use the D-pad is if I'm playing 2D or using the GB Player.

So you must not played many 2D games in order to understand how long we've been using the D-Pad.

Nintendo just can't wake up one morning and expect the veterans of the D-pad to simply stop using this function.

Have you tried playing any Sonic Advance or Super Mario Advance on the Analog stick? It just doesn't feel right.

I know where analog belongs in most games, but if anything is released 2D for the next gen system, no way am I going to use that Analog stick.

and to rephrase this again, NO I HAVE NOT LOST MY LOVE FOR NINTENDO! or Does not mean I hate them period.

The current D-Pad is fine, because it's the same size as the GBA D-Pad. Since I have large hands for my height of 6'3", I have no problem with it.

I'm just getting tired of this

[Daria]

Nintendo just can't wake up one morning and expect the veterans of the D-pad to simply stop using this function.

They're not, they've been weening gamers of the d-teat since the N64.




Have you tried playing any Sonic Advance or Super Mario Advance on the Analog stick? It just doesn't feel right.

O.o How can you play GBA games with an analog stick? Edit: Oh wait do you mean the little snap on fake analog sticks you can buy? The ones that clip on over the d-pad? Do those even work? Besides they're hardly true analog sticks since you can still only use 4-8 directions (assuming the game supports diagnol movement) again an analog stick rotates in 360 degrees, But it's kinda a moot discusion since we're not even disucing hand held gamimg, which I hope will continue to be a market for 2D gamimg.



I know where analog belongs in most games, but if anything is released 2D for the next gen system...

I don't think you have to worry about that much. You know since the Gamecube had a grand total of what? One 2D title and it used GBA connectivity. I don't know if you'd consider Viewtiful Joe or Paper Mario 2D games, but in either case we're not talking about a major portion of Nintendo's gaming library.

[MegaDrive20XX]

Nintendo just can't wake up one morning and expect the veterans of the D-pad to simply stop using this function.

They're not, they've been weening gamers of the d-teat since the N64.




Have you tried playing any Sonic Advance or Super Mario Advance on the Analog stick? It just doesn't feel right.

O.o How can you play GBA games with an analog stick?

The GB Player quote from earlier



I know where analog belongs in most games, but if anything is released 2D for the next gen system...

I don't think you have to worry about that much. You know since the Gamecube had a grand total of what? One 2D title and it used GBA connectivity. I don't know if you'd consider Viewtiful Joe or Paper Mario 2D games, but in either case we're not talking about a major portion of Nintendo's gaming library.

The N64 had tons of titles that had D-Pad features if you didn't like the Analog! So that doesn't count.

And Im talking about Sonic Advance by using the GB Player

Veiwtiful Joe and Paper Mario aren't really 2D

Plus there are more games on the Cube that will let you use the D-pad if you count Animal Crossing's NES Games, Sonic DX's Game Gear games, Sonic Mega Collection, Capcom Vs. SNK 2, Soul Calibur 2, Bloody Roar, Metroid Prime's Metroid NES, plus I count in the GB Player.

[Daria]

Capcom Vs. SNK 2, Soul Calibur 2.

Soul Calibur 2 is a 3D title... and 2D fighters are ments to be played with arcade sticks anyway. Not d-pads.


The N64 had tons of titles that had D-Pad features if you didn't like the Analog! So that doesn't count.

Tons? I own one. Every other game I play on the system forces me to use to use analog. So I'd call that the begining of the ween. Besides weening is a gradual process so of course it would imply some games still supported the feature. But you can't tell me that if you were a regular n64 gamer that you wouldn't be forced to use the analog stick at least occasionally.

edit: And I forgot about the Gameboy player, but since we're talking about the possibilty of a hypothetical system without d-pad I'd say chances are Nintendo simply wouldn't release a gameboy player for it. That IS an extra accesory afterall.

[MegaDrive20XX]

Capcom Vs. SNK 2, Soul Calibur 2.

Soul Calibur 2 is a 3D title... and 2D fighters are ments to be played with arcade sticks anyway. Not d-pads.

I said...Cube that will let you use the D-pad...not just 2D games....


The N64 had tons of titles that had D-Pad features if you didn't like the Analog! So that doesn't count.

Tons? I own one. Every other game I play on the system forces me to use to use analog. So I'd call that the begining of the ween. Besides weening is a gradual process so of course it would imply some games still supported the feature. But you can't tell me that if you were a regular n64 gamer that you wouldn't be forced to use the analog stick at least occasionally.

Soul Calibur 2 is a 3D title... and 2D fighters are ments to be played with arcade sticks anyway. Not d-pads.

I said...Cube games that will let you use the D-pad...not just 2D games....

as for N64 of course they would, but there are those titles that everyone would pass up, because they were on PS1 at the time, but the N64 would let you use the D-pad

[Daria]

Of course they would, but there are those titles that everyone would pass up, because they were on PS1 at the time, but the N64 would let you use the D-pad

Umm... the PSone as far as I know at least left you with the opertunity to use the d-pad in all of it's games. Since that's how I used to use the system.

But as far as I know Harvest Moon 64, Paper Mario, Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask weren't on the PSX :P. They may have let you control menus with the d-pad, but I'm talking primary control.

[MegaDrive20XX]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/Akumajo22/NES2.jpg

I give up...and all I have to say as my final words for this thread

Why is everyone hating the D-pad right now?

Why hate D-pad, when d-pad does not hate you?

It gave you over 20 years of gameplay and you throw out into the cold and saying, "I'm not gonna miss it!" as some of you claim

Then 2D bashers, and calling me a nintendo hater/basher and I have no faith in Nintendo.....how dare you all! I'm just an old school gamer who doesn't like change! I'm SUPER GHOULS n GHOSTS for godsakes, I'm named after a damn Super Nintendo game! So what does that tell ya?!

I love all systems regardless...but you take away the heart and soul of what made these systems today...and you forget what it brought you.

and all I have to say is KNOW YOUR ROOTS man! Do not forget those who brought passion into your hobby and lifestyle!

[MegaDrive20XX]

Of course they would, but there are those titles that everyone would pass up, because they were on PS1 at the time, but the N64 would let you use the D-pad

Umm... the PSone as far as I know at least left you with the opertunity to use the d-pad in all of it's games. Since that's how I used to use the system.

But as far as I know Harvest Moon 64, Paper Mario, Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask weren't on the PSX :P. They may have let you control menus with the d-pad, but I'm talking primary control.

you're too silly! I just meant PS1 ports to N64...

[Daria]

O.o

I don't hate the D-pad. It's the control method of choice for 2D games. I'm just saying it's not going to make much of a difference if they discontinue it for their next system (which they might not even do) because most games don't even make use of it now.

Hell I wish all games that came out were 2D but it's just not going to happen. So I might as well warm up to the games that are coming out and the controllers used to play them.

[Push Upstairs]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v129/Akumajo22/NES2.jpg

Ahh my old friend. I miss your side by side button layout as opposed to the "at an angle" layout on the dogbone controller.


Why is everyone hating the D-pad right now?

There is a time and a place for analog and there is a time and a place for D-pads.

Moving around a 3D environment feels more natural with an analog stick (or keyboard+mouse). 2D games will always feel better with D-pad controls.

[Promophile]

I used to hate analog to, then Ape Escape came out, the first playstation game to fully use analog. At first I sucked at it, due to being new to analog, then I gradually got better. Today I much prefer analog to D-pad. I HATE games that force you to navigate menus with a D-pad, while you do other actions with the analog stick. One or the other please.

[Sylentwulf]

They do? o.O

Maybe in 2D but... they're the perfect match for 3D rpgs. Hell I couldn't even play Morrowind on the PC because I couldn't emulate the xbox controller configuration. And then there was shadow Madness for the PSX, using a d-pad I was physically stuck in this corridor and convinced myself the game was broken for nearly two years until I went back and tried it with analog.

D-pads just don't cut it for 360 degree movement.

Let me clarify - RPG's, not action RPG's. Baldurs gate, morrowind, MMORPGS, etc... aren't really rpg's imo. Sure, even real RPG's I like using the analog stick to run around half the time, but when the menu pops up, the analog stick is gone.

[Psycho Mantis]

it's probably gonna be cool. i have faith. i just hope they don't screw up.

[PC-Famicom64]

According to the latest edition 'The Diamond Weekly', one of Japan's premier economic weeklies, Nintendo's upcoming console will be revolutionary indeed. The Nintendo Revolution is supposed to lack a D-pad and A/B buttons!

Nintendo has stressed out that the Revolution would indeed involve a whole new gaming experience, but removing the most recognizable controls...

The Diamond Weekly did not mention any other details about the Nintendo Revolution, nor did Nintendo officially react on the rumours yet. And thus, the wait for E3 2005 continues...

Source www.cube-europe.com

Damm I hope this isn't true. The D-Pad is a part of Nintendo's legacy, I dont wan't it to disappear :( Anyway just a rumour but I have a feeling it may be true.This is a Hoax!, A-cord-did to Satoru Iwata:The Revolution will have the same controller as the Game Cube but it will have a C-Button next to the L-Button just lack the Z-Button is next to the R-Button puls a Select-Button.Is anneone goin to commit about this?

[portnoyd]

Is anneone goin to commit about this?

I would, but I'll be honest: I couldn't follow what you said at all.

dave

[it290]

The problem I have with this idea is that you can't really have any more 'old-style' games on the new system. Think about it. No more Ikaruga. No more Viewtiful Joe. No more SNK vs. Capcom (well, that's already pretty much true on the Cube, but hey).. if the system shipped with a 'revolutionary' controller as well as a more conventional one, I'd be happy, though.

[Berserker]

In my opinion™, the analog stick just makes so much more sense for most of the games being released today.

That said, I would hope that Nintendo doesn't completely eschew any hope of being able to play games on their new system using a more classic controller style. To be perfectly honest, I'd rather have a newer style controller and a classic style, rather than them trying to hamhandedly cram sufficient features for both into one single, unwieldy controller.

[Daria]

Baldurs gate... aren't really rpg's imo. Sure, even real RPG's.

I'm thinking you probably mean the console versions, which are really gauntlet clones and I agree NOT Rpgs, but that sentence still looks funny considering Baulder's Gate's a D&D game and D&D is of course the first table top RPG every produced.

So yeah geeky funny, but funny never the less. :P