EGM Has Literally Hit Rock Bottom

[dbiersdorf]

I couldn't believe it, I was outraged enough at the new EGM's Top 10 Consoles of All Time crap they put out (Nintendo 64 last? Please.) but for some odd reason the Genesis had me the most outraged. Why? It got the number 7 spot, which I have no problem with, as I was not a big Genny gamer, but in each console they give one or two games of the highlights and lowlights of each system. Meaning the best and the worst. So what is the worst of the Genesis?

Freakin' Bubsy. Now most of you probably don't know me, but look at my avatar, I have had it since I came here. Bubsy is easily my favorite Genesis/Super NES game of all time. Now I realize there is a different of opinion, but seriously anyone who outright say Bubsy was a badly made game is on drugs. Bubsy II and Bubsy 3D are a completely different story, but they are going solely on the brand name alone.

Fuck EGM I'm outraged.

[Melf]

Buck Rogers should have been the worst Genesis game. Ugh. Downright nasty it was.

[BigGeorgeJohnson]

Buck Rogers should have been the worst Genesis game. Ugh. Downright nasty it was.


Are you talking about Countdown to Doomsday?

It's probably one of the best RPG's the genny has.

[SamuraiSmurfette]

I agree. The first Bubsy game was great. creative levels, great graphics, and amusing death animations. Got too hard for me near the end, though. I never did beat it.

[Jorpho]

I am unable to find a phrase that will make light of your grossly improper usage of the word "literally". Suffice it to say, "definitely" or "really" would be more fitting.

(Sorry, but the misuse of the word "literally" is really getting on my nerves lately.)

[Famidrive-16]

These guys obviously forgot Time Killers. Well, I guess for a good reason, anyways.

Could someone post the top 10? I haven't subscribed to EGM in over six months.

edit: also with the best and worst games of each system if possible

[-hellvin-]

I've never understood it either. There seems to be outright hatred for bubsy every time I hear it talked about, but I remember watching this game displayed in sawgrass mills mall where I used to live and absolutely loved it! Then I convinced my parents to buy it ;D. The sequel was not that great I'd have to say though.

[dbiersdorf]

10. Nintendo 64
High: Super Mario 64, GoldenEye 007
Low: Nearly every game not developed by Nintendo.

9. Dreamcast
High: Sonic Adventure, Soul Calibur
Low: Who Wants to Beat Up Millionare?, Flogian Bros.: Episode 1

8. GameCube
High: Metroid Prime, Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Low: Pokemon Channel (bullshit again)

7. Genesis
High: Sonic the Hedgehog, Gunstar Heroes
Low: Bubsy

6. Xbox
High: Halo 2, Star Wars KOTOR
Low: Fuzion Frenzy, Kakuto Chojin

5. Playstation 2
High: GTA series, Metal Gear Solid 3, Madden series
Low: Anything with Army Men in the title.

4. Game Boy Advance
High: Advance Wars, Castlevania series
Low: Games based on Disney Channel shows. (Kim Possible was good...)

3. Super Nintendo
High: Street Fighter II, Final Fantasy III
Low: Shaq-Fu

2. Playstation
High: Fina Fantasy VII, FF Tactics, Casltevania Symphonia of the Night
Low: Eggs of Steel

1. NES
High: Super Mario Bros. 3, Mega Man, The Legend of Zelda
Low: Taboo, Totally Rad

[SamuraiSmurfette]

hm..I can think of many games worse than Fuzion Frenzy.. :(
-Aquaman?
-Drake?
any of Xicat's offerings

and hyped up letdowns like Wreckless, Bloodwake and Brute Force.

[badinsults]

I don't know how any console that is currently being produced could be put on a greatest all time list. :p

[howdoin]

+ they completely ommited the first generation of consoles : Atari 2600, Commodore 64, Spectrum and other which do have a spot here (at least one) but they probably figured out that noone that reads the magazine would have been able to figure out what they were talking about.
Hell! The writer probably does not even know what a 2600 or Commodore 64 is.

[GrayFox]

That list is a piece of shit.

I'm sorry.

[ArnoldRimmer83]

Of all the terrible Nes games they could've chosen as the worst, they picked Totally Rad? Its certainly not one of my favorite Nes games, but there are far far worse games on the system than that.

[MegaDrive20XX]

I smell Nintendo and Sony fans behind this bullshit

Saturn should have been on there

[SirDrexl]

They made a mistake on their N64 entry. It should read "nearly every game not published by Nintendo." Rare made some good games.

I'm guessing the reason why the N64 was low on the list was probably just lack of games, at least compared to other systems. You had only one Mario (platformer) game, no Metroid, poor third-party support, very few 2D games, etc. Also, unlike the other systems, it really faded towards the end. Very few games would come out late in its life cycle (Dr. Mario was put out just to have a game for the month it was released), and games that were planned for the system were moved to the Gamecube (Animal Crossing, Eternal Darkness, Dinosaur Planet which became Starfox Adventures).

[Jibbajaba]

Buck Rogers should have been the worst Genesis game. Ugh. Downright nasty it was.

:eek 2: :shameful:

How can you not appreciate the goodness that is Buck Rogers: CTD.

Chris

[Lady Jaye]

Indeed, where are the pre-crash consoles??? Yup, I suspect that the journalist(s) involved in making that list must've been certainly under 25, probably closer to 19 or 20. :hmm:

[crazyjackcsa]

I thought EGM had hit rock bottom years agoi. Any list that has TOP 10 (or whatever) is always crap. Just some moron with an opinion. Watch I can do it to Top 5 here we go:

5. Virtual Boy
4. Atari Jaguar
3. 64 DD
2. Phantom
1. M2

See that right there is a solid top 5 list. Maybe I'll send it in. What I love about these high/low thing is I'm pretty sure they gave flogian Bros a good review and now its a lowlight.

[Ed Oscuro]

The problem here is that any for-profit group coming out with a best/worst list pulls out games people are likely to remember (that or games they themselves remember) and it's very rare they go straight to the really shitty games as they tend to be obscure. Like Time Killers, Tounge of the Fatman, Sword of Sodan (I still really want to like this one, but...no, it's not going to happen, though I wouldn't mind owning a copy) and so on.

Countdown to Doomsday has some appeal if you're into the Gold Box RPGs (I used to be), not sure how much depth it has compared to Pool of Radiance though. If they're going to list an RPG they might as well put in that AD&D First Ed. game (Warriors of the Eternal Sun I think?) and Starflight, but still, these are relatively obscure. Face it, the Genesis shines in the action gaming segment. Comix Zone, Forgotten Worlds (love the SMS version too) and Herzog Zwei all the way.

I think it's just a travesty that the Genesis scored as low as #7. You've got to be kidding me - it's one of the top four, no contest, and I'd probably put in the top three, after SNES and NES (though make no mistake, I'm skewed against the Atari consoles and the newer ones...oops).

Still. Considering they left out pre-crash consoles there is no reason for the Genesis to be that low.

[DigitalSpace]

I would have took the N64 or Xbox out and replaced it with the 2600. The highs would be River Raid, Pitfall! and Adventure and the low would be E.T.

And yeah, while Bubsy wasn't anything special to me, there's quite a bit of stuff in the Genesis library that's LOT worse than Bubsy (there's even a thread about bad Genesis games here on DP - link (http://www.digitpress.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=36178)). I would have went with Barney's Hide and Seek.

Random thoughts on the list:

Nintendo 64 low: I guess they couldn't be bothered to mention Superman 64 directly.

Gamecube low: I would have put BMX XXX, but I guess they were looking for a console exclusive here. I haven't played Pokemon Channel though, so I can't say if I agree with them or not.

GBA highs: No Metroid Fusion? No Metroid Zero Mission?

SNES highs: No Super Metroid? Super Mario World? Chrono Trigger?

Playstation 2 low: The Army Men series is pretty bad, but Top Gear Dare Devil, Simpsons Skateboarding and The Guy Game are even worse. I think if this list was redone about five years down the road maybe we'd see Katamari Damacy in the highs.

NES low: Action 52 deserved a mention, if only for the fact that not a single one of the 52 games was worth playing.

[Ed Oscuro]

Edit: Doh, forgot about PlayStation. I agree with their top three choices, maybe quibble about the order but that's good.

[SirDrexl]

Gamecube low has got to be that Universal Studios Adventure game.

[Kepone]

EGM sucks ass. Not even worth a FREE subscription.

I use it for toliet paper whenever I run out.

[spoon]

Wow. We should just start our own damn topic with high and low points. That is a shit list to be sure.

[-hellvin-]

EGM sucks ass. Not even worth a FREE subscription.

I use it for toliet paper whenever I run out.

YES

In fact, the bastards keep sending me this god damn magazine!!! SIX FREE ISSUES. That was supposed to be the end of our little deal. But no, after I realize how shitty it is they decide to double my free trial or something. It just keeps coming.

I'm in agreement for a counter list, that is just trash.

[vintagegamecrazy]

Kepone wrote:
EGM sucks ass. Not even worth a FREE subscription.

I use it for toliet paper whenever I run out.


YES

In fact, the bastards keep sending me this god damn magazine!!! SIX FREE ISSUES. That was supposed to be the end of our little deal. But no, after I realize how shitty it is they decide to double my free trial or something. It just keeps coming.

I'm in agreement for a counter list, that is just trash.

I'll second that, that list is too biased. I don't think I'd put ET on the low for 2600, poor game? Yes, but there is plenty of worse stuff that makes et seem great.

[Ed Oscuro]

EGM sucks ass. Not even worth a FREE subscription.

I use it for toliet paper whenever I run out.
YES

In fact, the bastards keep sending me this god damn magazine!!! SIX FREE ISSUES.
Dear god no!

Oh well, I just read mags for the interviews and other information.

[soniko_karuto]

EGM sucks ass. Not even worth a FREE subscription.

I use it for toliet paper whenever I run out.

YES

In fact, the bastards keep sending me this god damn magazine!!! SIX FREE ISSUES. That was supposed to be the end of our little deal. But no, after I realize how shitty it is they decide to double my free trial or something. It just keeps coming.

I'm in agreement for a counter list, that is just trash.

i don't mind free magazines ;)

[XxMe2NiKxX]

I'm a fan of EGM, and I have not recieved my issue yet, which pisses me off.
Keep in mind that they are trying to appeal to an older market playing newer games, so including anything beyond the NES user-base would probably result in a loss of appeal. I probably would have stuck the Saturn in place of one of the modern consoles, and swapped Genesis and NES.

[Iron Draggon]

10. Nintendo 64
High: Super Mario 64, GoldenEye 007
Low: Nearly every game not developed by Nintendo.

9. Dreamcast
High: Sonic Adventure, Soul Calibur
Low: Who Wants to Beat Up Millionare?, Flogian Bros.: Episode 1

8. GameCube
High: Metroid Prime, Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker
Low: Pokemon Channel (bullshit again)

7. Genesis
High: Sonic the Hedgehog, Gunstar Heroes
Low: Bubsy

6. Xbox
High: Halo 2, Star Wars KOTOR
Low: Fuzion Frenzy, Kakuto Chojin

5. Playstation 2
High: GTA series, Metal Gear Solid 3, Madden series
Low: Anything with Army Men in the title.

4. Game Boy Advance
High: Advance Wars, Castlevania series
Low: Games based on Disney Channel shows. (Kim Possible was good...)

3. Super Nintendo
High: Street Fighter II, Final Fantasy III
Low: Shaq-Fu

2. Playstation
High: Fina Fantasy VII, FF Tactics, Casltevania Symphonia of the Night
Low: Eggs of Steel

1. NES
High: Super Mario Bros. 3, Mega Man, The Legend of Zelda
Low: Taboo, Totally Rad

NO, not hardly, EGM! Genesis at #7 and Saturn not even on the list? Take the GBA off of there, it's a portable, not a console! Clearly another college kid whose summer job has overstayed it's welcome! Let's do this right, if we're gonna do it like that! I won't go into all the highs and lows, but here:

1. NES

2. SNES

3. Genesis

4. Playstation

5. Saturn

6. N64

7. PS2

8. XBOX

9. Gamecube

10. Dreamcast

Now try and argue with that! You can't do it! Well, you can, but not very much! Fire the college kid, and give me a job, EGM! What is that kid on?

[Ernster]

That list is a joke. GC, DC,PSX, PS2 and Xbox all better than N64? LOL

Still, glad to see NES get top spot. 8-)

[cr0n0]

I still don't understand why publications continue doing this. Top 10 this, top 100 that. Don't they know they are pissing many people off. Instead of doing it like that, they should hold a poll and let the people decide on what deserves what spot in so and so poll. Although in the end, I think people will still be pissed off. :angry:

Hey...hold a poll on the polls that piss you off the most. :)

[EnemyZero]

why, that makes me not want to read there magazine....oh wait i quit my subscription already...

I been subscribing to EGM since late 96' even before that i read a few on and off....i mostly turned to EGM when i heard GameFan was going down (which was the last good magazine)....

PS2, xbox, and GC should not be on that list at all....

[JJNova]

Since this is the 100th response, I doubt it will be read, but here goes.

Why are we in here arguing something that is probably based off of 100 people that took a survey? Regardless of how they published the list, a group of us would be in here arguing about it. It's a miniscule section of the magazine to be arguing about. From the topic of the thread, I thought I was going to find a small percentage of DP members that actually read EGM and have valid complaints, but alas, there arent. Just your opinion, over this opinion. (BTW, I disagree with the list Iron Dragon made above).

Let's actually bash EGM. I am a subscriber, sue me. I like Dan Hsu. Sue me. I agree with most of the reviews. Sue me. I read it, because i agree with it. If you don't read EGM, or Play, I feel really sorry for your choice in gaming published material. But once again, that's my opinion.

EGM is fucked up (can I say that?) in the fact that when previewing the nect Generation of consoles, they showed Concept screens from EA for both the Playstation and Xbox successors, but for the page covering the GameCubes successor they showed screenshots of the upcoming Zelda title. Not quite fair when servinf their mag to graphic -conscience mainstream. Gave the impression that the Revolution can't compete in power. (We are talking Quarter Page sized images)

That my friends, is a crying shame. There were other things, but I don't have the mag next to me. Regardless though, anything of such a nature is going to be based on personal, or servuyed, opinion.

*pretends to be a Mod and locks the topic*

[evildead2099]

Instead of doing it like that, they should hold a poll and let the people decide on what deserves what spot in so and so poll.

Right. You're bound to get better results from an audience which continues to buy yearly rehashes of the Madden series and who convinced Eidos to churn out more Tomb Raider sequels after part 2.

[shopkins]

I disagree with their NES worsts. Totally Rad is a stupid game, but it is fun to play and there are far, far worse. Taboo is not a game, but it is a decent whatever it is.

[s1lence]

Ok, I read EGM...why because everything else SUCKS!! Nothing againist Tips and tricks, but I'm not a big game cheater. The guys at Game Informer are on crack. If EGM is SOOOOooo bad, what do you people read for video game magazines? I agree the list sucks and the GBA most certainly doesnt belong on that list but enough with the magazine haters. x_x

[Barbarianoutkast85]

I dont know why everyone hates Bubsy. Bubsy is one of my first platformers that I got to play all the way threw. But it was hard but I made the grave mistake of buying Bubsy 3D when I bought my Playstation at the time I thought it was awesome. But now I hate it

[mr_nihilism]

The guys at Game Informer are on crack.

It's a trash magazine if there ever was one. EGM on the other hand isn't half as bad as some are claiming.


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[dbiersdorf]

EGM is fucked up (can I say that?) in the fact that when previewing the nect Generation of consoles, they showed Concept screens from EA for both the Playstation and Xbox successors, but for the page covering the GameCubes successor they showed screenshots of the upcoming Zelda title. Not quite fair when servinf their mag to graphic -conscience mainstream. Gave the impression that the Revolution can't compete in power. (We are talking Quarter Page sized images)

I read your post. :)

Oh but about the EA thing, the thing is, the GameCube's successor is supposed to be a "Revolution" so gaming not actually be the way were used to. Normally I'd be pissed if they had done that with the GameCube, but for the fact that Revolution is supposed to be something so different that I doubt it's considered in the same league as PS3 and Xbox 2.

[JJNova]

I read your post. :)

Oh but about the EA thing, the thing is, the GameCube's successor is supposed to be a "Revolution" so gaming not actually be the way were used to. Normally I'd be pissed if they had done that with the GameCube, but for the fact that Revolution is supposed to be something so different that I doubt it's considered in the same league as PS3 and Xbox 2.

Wow. You did.

In my personal opinion (Those are the words people say before making asses of themselve) the N5 isn't going to be as revolutionary as we all think. Maybe it'll have third party support, which would be revolutionary for Nintendo. I think the Big N done messed themselves over nicknaming the console "Revolution" because it causes people (me and you) to get their hopes up....and we all know what hopes lead to.


Crushing despair when reality is announced.


Just my two cents, and you probably want to give me change.

[slip81]

Yeah that list is crap. I mean NES #1?! It only got that spot because a) it brought the biz out of the toilet in the US, and b) retro gaming is a big craze now and everyone has to know their roots and get old skool.

And even though I'm a big N64 fan and am trying to get a complete library of games, I realize that it's not one of the best consoles of all time. I agree with most of the consoles on that list, DC, Genny, SNES and PSX are definately deserving, but where is Saturn, 2600, SMS?

I think the SNES or DC would have been a better choice for #1

[NE146]

Just my 2 cents. First of all, I don't care about that list, seems fine to me and is just another list. However, speaking as someone who literally has and has read every single issue of EGM and it's offshoots (I guess since I have a relatively complete collection.. that means I'm an EGM collector?... odd. O_O).. they have definitely gone downhill.

Everyone and their brother has spoken about the evolution, rise and fall, and rise and fall again of the magazine as well as the tyrades of Ed Semrad etc. But seriously, these days it's so far and away from it's roots and all that I used to love about it, that I often wonder why I even bother still reading it. Let's just face the fact that well... it's your standard typical videogame magazine in todays market. i.e. (and this is my biggest criticism).. GENERIC.

I'll still read them. But these days I kind of doubt they will ever wallow out of their current mundane state.

I mean.. even the covers.. Look at this generic crap! LOL
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v48/b2stoys/egmcrap.jpg <===== -_-

[slip81]

NO, not hardly, EGM! Genesis at #7 and Saturn not even on the list? Take the GBA off of there, it's a portable, not a console! Clearly another college kid whose summer job has overstayed it's welcome! Let's do this right, if we're gonna do it like that! I won't go into all the highs and lows, but here:

1. NES

2. SNES

3. Genesis

4. Playstation

5. Saturn

6. N64

7. PS2

8. XBOX

9. Gamecube

10. Dreamcast

Now try and argue with that! You can't do it! Well, you can, but not very much! Fire the college kid, and give me a job, EGM! What is that kid on?

I could live with that list, but I would make a few adjustments. 1) Replace the N64 with either the Intellevision or Atari 5200, and switch the spots of the NES and SNES, put the DC at 5 and the Saturn at 7, moving all of the next gen consoles down one.

[evildead2099]

I think the Big N done messed themselves over nicknaming the console "Revolution" because it causes people (me and you) to get their hopes up....and we all know what hopes lead to.

Maybe The Big N should think about calling their next console The Nintedo Disappointment - that way, people are more likely to be impressed than disappointed by the system in consideration of the hype which its name suggests. LOL Alternatively, Nintendo can ensure the same effect by naming its next system the Virtual Boy 2. ;)

[TheRedEye]

The only list worth a damn was Next Generation's Top 100 Games of All Time list. It's STILL relevant. Anyone else so impressed that they held on to that issue?

[ArnoldRimmer83]

The only list worth a damn was Next Generation's Top 100 Games of All Time list. It's STILL relevant. Anyone else so impressed that they held on to that issue?

Out of curiosity what was their top 100?

[TRM]

I don't know how any console that is currently being produced could be put on a greatest all time list. :p

Agreed 100%

[abdul]

Snes should be #1, ps2 #2, N64 #3, Saturn in place of xbox

[portnoyd]

This list should not come as a surprise to anyone. From the people who brought us 'Kids say the darnest things about old video games' 1 AND 2, would you expect anything less?

One gripe: N64 at #10? Why is it even on the list if the worst games include 80% of the system's library? Doesn't that say something?

dave

[fennec fox]

There's no way the Saturn should make any top 10 list. Not in America, anyway, although it was a much better system in the Japanese marketplace.

As for the lack of 'classic' systems... well, one, the top 10 list only covers systems that were in the market since EGM started in 1989, and two, to the modern gamer, classic systems are more like museum pieces than something you can really comfortable with and play today. So it's understandable.

[Kid Ice]

One gripe: N64 at #10? Why is it even on the list if the worst games include 80% of the system's library? Doesn't that say something?

dave

Yeah, that was the only thing that really bothered me too (well, except the absence of any pre-crash consoles which is just stupid). There are actually a lot of good N64 games that were not developed by Nintendo. In fact a few immediately come to mind (Quake II, Ridge Racer 64, Beetle Adventure Racing) that IMO are among the system's best.

[CRV]

As for the lack of 'classic' systems... well, one, the top 10 list only covers systems that were in the market since EGM started in 1989, and two, to the modern gamer, classic systems are more like museum pieces than something you can really comfortable with and play today. So it's understandable.

Pretty crappy list, IMO, but I certainly understand that they had to cater to their young audience. But it does say "all-time", not "since EGM started".

[Ed Oscuro]

(Quake II, Ridge Racer 64, Beetle Adventure Racing) that IMO are among the system's best.
Wow, if you say QII is among the best...I'd better go out to find a copy. I'm surprised, as the original Quake is - in my view - one of the system's worst.

[Kid Fenris]

Everyone and their brother has spoken about the evolution, rise and fall, and rise and fall again of the magazine as well as the tyrades of Ed Semrad etc. But seriously, these days it's so far and away from it's roots and all that I used to love about it, that I often wonder why I even bother still reading it. Let's just face the fact that well... it's your standard typical videogame magazine in todays market. i.e. (and this is my biggest criticism).. GENERIC.

While I agree that EGM is a bit bland today, I doubt that the magazine will hit the lows it did during Semrad's reign. I mean, Ed didn't even write many of the reviews attributed to him (http://homepage.mac.com/chris_johnston/C1662594604/index.html).


The only list worth a damn was Next Generation's Top 100 Games of All Time list. It's STILL relevant. Anyone else so impressed that they held on to that issue?

Yep, I have that issue, and the list is still a good read, even if it's influenced by the magazine's fawning over Super Mario 64, which they'd proclaimed "the greatest game ever made" in the previous issue. Some of the choices are a little odd as well. Lemmings and Super Bomberman 2 in the top ten? And why is Burning Force on there at all?

[NE146]

Everyone and their brother has spoken about the evolution, rise and fall, and rise and fall again of the magazine as well as the tyrades of Ed Semrad etc. But seriously, these days it's so far and away from it's roots and all that I used to love about it, that I often wonder why I even bother still reading it. Let's just face the fact that well... it's your standard typical videogame magazine in todays market. i.e. (and this is my biggest criticism).. GENERIC.

While I agree that EGM is a bit bland today, I doubt that the magazine will hit the lows it did during Semrad's reign. I mean, Ed didn't even write many of the reviews attributed to him (http://homepage.mac.com/chris_johnston/C1662594604/index.html).

Yeah I've read that blog since you last posted it.. hence my mention of the "tirades of Ed Semrad". ;) (although I did mispell 'tirade') :hmm:

In all fairness though, that guy does admit he's talking about mid 90's EGM. Which of course was already well into their success and very much beyond the point where they started "evolving". I did like them then.. but they had already long started their slow decline.. x_x

Remember when Ed Semrad was called "Mr. Sega Master System" or something like that due to his supposed love of the console? Whether it was true or not.. (I actually kind of doubt it). Those were the times I really liked EGM the best. By the mid 90's they were sort of a half shadow of themselves. And of course now, they are all but some strange corporate game rag. O_O

[Kid Fenris]

Yeah I've read that blog since you last posted it.. hence my mention of the "tirades of Ed Semrad". ;) (although I did mispell 'tirade') :hmm:

Sorry, I thought that "tirades of Ed Semrad" referred to tirades that Semrad himself had written. Come to think of it, what happened to Ed after he left the gaming press?


Remember when Ed Semrad was called "Mr. Sega Master System" or something like that due to his supposed love of the console? Whether it was true or not.. (I actually kind of doubt it). Those were the times I really liked EGM the best. By the mid 90's they were sort of a half shadow of themselves. And of course now, they are all but some strange corporate game rag. O_O

I liked EGM back then as well, but after looking through older issues, I realize my standards were a lot lower when I was a kid.

The magazine's current incarnation may not do much to distinguish itself from the GamePro/GameStar/Whatever pattern, but in terms of writing quality and criticism, I'd rate it well above the "classic" stuff.

[portnoyd]

Yeah, that was the only thing that really bothered me too (well, except the absence of any pre-crash consoles which is just stupid). There are actually a lot of good N64 games that were not developed by Nintendo. In fact a few immediately come to mind (Quake II, Ridge Racer 64, Beetle Adventure Racing) that IMO are among the system's best.

Exactly. They just lumped everything under a stereotype and didn't care, because 'it made for a good gag' or something like that, I'm sure.

The 2600 belongs on that list. The hell were they thinking? Not to mention, you know, the current systems are still... you know... current, so how can you make a determination on them?

dave

[joshnickerson]

Yawn. I'm with the "they've long since hit rock bottom" crowd. The first issue of EGM I bought, it had a huge picture of Sonic on the cover, proclaiming they had the first info on the next Sonic game (Sonic 2). I scoured that magazine and the only thing they had was a sentence long blurb at the end of letters page. I was only ten at the time and even then I knew it was a rip-off.

God, I haven't picked up EGM in years. Apparently they STILL suck.

[donnie]

Personally i would rate the systems like this;

The great:

Psx, Ps2, snes, genesis, saturn, amiga500, c64, nes

The good:

master system, n64, dreamcast, gba, gamecube, xbox,

[Dimitri]

There are actually a lot of good N64 games that were not developed by Nintendo. In fact a few immediately come to mind (Quake II, Ridge Racer 64, Beetle Adventure Racing) that IMO are among the system's best.

Ridge Racer 64 was developed by Nintendo Software Technology, IIRC...replace that one with Space Station Silicon Valley. ;)

I'm also embarrassed to say that I subscribed to GamePro for about five years as a kid, and Nintendo Power for about three. But it makes sense, kids are such tools, and most of us can't really say we were any different at that age. :)

[Tatsu]

I'm not that unhappy with this list. I mean top 10 lists are mostly based on a personal view plus some (or should I say little) "historical" facts (like sales statistics I guess). For me personally the NES is a good choice as number one, it was very successfull and brought a lot of people into videogaming. I do also understand that for example the Saturn is missing. Not because I think it is a bad console but because it wasn't really successfull. I would also not include the N64 at all in that list. But that bases of a personal disliking of the system so I'm very biased about it.

Anyway, I think it is interesting to see what a game magazine thinks about the consoles. I just don't take it too serious and it wont change my point of view about the subjet.

Btw I still have that EGM issue with the 100 best games. I like it a lot, even if I disagree with a lot of stuff on it. It was fun to read and see different opinions.

[Push Upstairs]

Well EGM has been on my shit-list since like 1992.

This was a magazine that spent the two years going on about how they liked the Genesis only to do an about-face and spend the next two years saying how much it sucked.

Of course this is the same publication that turned into complete "Street Fighter 2" cheerleaders. Comparing *EVERY* game they could to SF2 and plastering something about SF2 on the cover of practically every magazine for the year of 1992 (look for yourself).