how much real interest do u have in upgrading to PS3,Xbox360

[sabre2922]

How enthusiastic are you really in buying yet ANOTHER next-gen console? be it PS3, Xbox360, or Revolution?
Ive been gaming for over 30 years and this is the first time in my life that Im not very interested in what the next generation of home consoles might bring. Im sure the graphics will look better (but how much better) and to me the most interesting aspect will be the advanced AL that these new systems will offer but other than that Im not convinced that I need to upgrade from my current PS2 and Xbox.
I have always looked forward to what the next-gen of systems might offer mostly because there were always large jumps in the graphics department enough so that no matter how much you may have loved your NES you knew the Genesis or Super nes was a must buy in order to be a happy gamer.
I think the old pattern of newer is always better may no longer apply (at least to a certain extent) for the simple fact that so much can be done to manipulate any of todays systems and make then perform tasks that were thought impossible when they were first introduced of course this is nothing new just look at what some of the best 3rd party publishers were able to accomplish at the end of many a game systems life i.e. the SuperNES.
I just believe this to be even more true of todays systems with any of the current 3 be it PS2, Xbox or Gamecube.
So what that means is that we may not see the true potential of any of these systems long after (if ever) the release of PS3 or Xbox2.
Of course it all depends on us THE GAMERS to decide how long a system lives and when it "dies".
The majority of us suffered through the premature killing of the Dreamcast and all the potential that it possessed.

[calthaer]

Every time a new hardware "generation" comes around, there are fewer adopters - especially early adopters. Of course, the fact that they keep going up and up in price doesn't help matters much, either.

[tholly]

im excited...i love the newest most up to date technology (but i still love the oldies)

[Promophile]

I don't think this console jump is gonna be big, which is why I'm not excited. put in a PSX game and a PS2 game and you KNOW which is the PS1 and which is the PS2 game. I'm not convinced it will be the same with the new systems...

[Rogmeister]

I'm not interested at all. I've decided to cut way back this year as far as game purchases and the worst thing about having a new system is it pretty much forces you to buy a lot of games. Who wants to have a new console but only 1 or 2 games to play on it? I'm perfectly happy with what I have now and won't be buying any new system.

[GobopopRevisited]

A little excited I guess. On one hand, a New Nintendo system means more Mario... On the other hand the Rumors of Multiple versions of "Xbox 2" ... x_x

I'll probably do as I have always done (with the exception of GBA) buy a system a year after launch when it has a strong enough library.

voted for "wait and see" BUT I do care about graphics in the next generation as The more realistic this generation tries to get (with the exception of the I-can't-believe-what-I'm-seeing-feeling of some PC games and the still Realistic but retaining that Cartoony style feel of Nintendo and my new favorite Team Ninja and of course Conker) the worse games tend to look (Halo 2... )

[JJNova]

Personally, I think it's a ittle too early for this thread. The consoles haven't even been given a public showing yet, so saying the new graphics aren't exciting is a little premature wouldn't you think? Especially after seeing EA's concept art for the next Generation, which, like with every generation, looks more real than ever.

We have no real idea of the Game lineups, the capabilities, the ideas or the Development style that will be possible with the new hardware. We don't even know if they are going to black, or have controllers instead of visual recognition technology. To be honest, we don't even know if it's going to be called Xbox2, Playstation 3, or the Revolution.

All we know is that it's another generation of consoles. So yeah, most of us shouldn't be excited yet because we haven't seen anything that hasn't been seen before. When the screenshots come, the larger open-source idea come out, The puzzle games that can be so graphically charged and 8 levels of deepness arrive, then we'll start getting excited.

But not just becaue it's another hardware launch./

[le geek]

Wait and see.

I still need to pick up an Xbox :P

[mr_nihilism]

Wait and see. As of now, there really isn't much to know about the next-gen systems.

[soniko_karuto]

why wait?

we will always fall on the same 'Y is better than Z" and then the fanboyism and stuff.

I'm ok with 3 companys going at it, but like it has been said, how much better can it be?

[ozyr]

as with all gaming systems I've bought over the years, I can wait for the price drop - on the system and games. I love waiting about 6 months for games to drop from $50 to around $20. Saves me money, and the game is just as good then as it would be now - only cheaper.

[Promophile]

why wait?

we will always fall on the same 'Y is better than Z" and then the fanboyism and stuff.

I'm ok with 3 companys going at it, but like it has been said, how much better can it be?

Seriously. Unless you have an HDTV I don't see how it's possible for games to get THAT much better graphically.

[doomedpeasant]

I will get PS3 as soon as it comes out because i love getting new sony items

[BigGeorgeJohnson]

I'll probably wait a couple years. I always enjoy a systems twilight much more than a launch. There are a ton of games and they can be had on the cheap.

[maxlords]

I'm at the point where I'm starting to stop caring about getting most things when they come out. I'm so behind on games for current and obsolete systems that I don't really care if new systems come out or not. What I'll probably do is buy the games I want for the new systems, then when I get around to getting the hardware when it's cheaper, I'll have stuff to play on it ready to go. Much cheaper.

[slip81]

I'm interested to see what kind of power they'll have and what developers will do with it, but I've already made the decision not to buy any of the new next gen consoles untill they hit $100.

[jdc]

Same as always for me.

I'm driven by Final Fantasy and Gran Turismo games. Once those two franchises make an appearance on Sony's next console...I'm buying.

Same with Zelda. Only Zelda will make me buy another Nintendo console. They've gotten incredibly boring lately. My N64s give me the warm n' fuzzies. Both of my Cubes give me the "meh"s.

I really truly actually DID buy an XboX just because Shenmue 2 was appearing on it and I HAD to play it. No lie. That game was THE reason. Whatever Shenmue 3 appears on has my cash as well.

[abdul]

ps3 is gonna be sweet, just like ps2 and ps1 ( i will probably buy the next Nintendo system when it hits $100, just like i did with GCN)

Sony has done such a good job with its playstation systems that I have to get the Ps3

[soniko_karuto]

ps3 is gonna be sweet, just like ps2 and ps1 ( i will probably buy the next Nintendo system when it hits $100, just like i did with GCN)

Sony has done such a good job with its playstation systems that I have to get the Ps3

first of all, i'm a nintendo fanboy, so here i go:

Sony has the faultiest consoles of all times, i have never stumbled upon a ps2 that hasn't started doing soemthing funny, while my gc and n64 are still running great. Hell, the dreamcast that i got at launch is still running great, it ain't like it's all that different.

[PapaStu]

I didnt pick up a PS2 when it launched because I had my PS and N64 working full time. I got my PS2 about 6 omnths after it launched and was very happy getting it at the full price. I got my Cube, Xbox, GBA, GBAsp, and DS within a week of the systems launch (Cube, GBA,GBAsp at launch). Ill most likely get the new ones at launch as well. If its something I feel I want or need, I'll spend my money on it.

[Half Japanese]

You know what I'd like to see for once? Games that actually push the hardware. It's a shame that even though the Xbox is capable of 720p/1080i, we've seen shamefully few games take advantage of those graphical possiblities. It's also a shame that some of the ones that do aren't all that good as examples (Tony Hawk's Underground, Atari Anniversary, Enter the Matrix, etc.). I'd like to see what developers could accomplish on current platforms in the next 5 years. Unfortunately what I want and the way the market steamrolls on are two different paths. I imagine there's enough juice left in the Xbox alone to keep it going for many years to come, the Gamecube too (although disc space and lack of true HD support will stunt the graphics). And the ps2, well, if they haven't tapped that out yet it's because they're lazy.

[CreamSoda]

Not really interested, I am still having fun with my PS2,Xbox.

However if the power of the new systems is actually used for more then just graphics(well of course having nice graphics is just icing on an already great cake), Then I will buy one or maybe both. ;)

[howdoin]

If the new Xbox has a HD and his running a system close to what Xbox Media Center Is today then it will be mine on release.

It's not necessarily the games that interest me (as not thta many have been announced anyway) but more the technology. I am still looking for this all-in-one box for games/music/DVR.

[Ernster]

The next round of consoles cant come quick enough for me. GC pretty much sucks to me...N64 was a more enjoyable...and I just want a change from this 3D crap. I hope Nintendo Revolution has some gyro technollogy or virtual reality....I just want a big change.

[klausien]

The only upgrading I am doing is PSP. I am drooling over the hi-tech-ness of it all. Problems aside, I'm sure I will be very pleased. I even preordered it, going against my policy of not buying release date hardware. I want Lumines very badly. If it isn't a launch title here in the US, I will be importing it.

As for XBox 2, PS3 & Revolution, I need to see some killer apps followed by price drops. I agree with Satoru Iwata's idea that an upgrade in graphics is not what the industry needs. Unfortunately, we are in the minority.

[Mr.FoodMonster]

I am perfectly happy right now. We DONT need a PS3, XBOX 2, N. Revolution, all of the systems look great as they are. Sure, maybe the PS2 is slightly worse then the other two, but it still churns out good looking fun games. Unless something MAJOR happens with the next line of systems, some new kind of emmersion or something that hasnt even been thought up yet, I'm sticking with my PS2.

[ddockery]

I put my vote in for wait and see, but that's not entirely true. I already KNOW I'll buy all of the next gen consoles. I'm not going to wait for a price drop, but rather for a well established library, and price drops on the games. I will NOT buy games at full price any more. I have so many that I haven't played already, there's just no point. The only reason I'll buy all 3 is because I know sooner or later there will be an exclusive I want for all of them. If I had to guess, PS3 will probably be the last one I pick up.

Of course I say all this now but when the first new cosole hits and the hype is there and I'm feeling left out...

[Blendo75]

I got burned buying my PS2 on day one as it's falling apart now. Also, there were hardly any games for it at the time and I ended up not playing actual PS2 games on it very much. It was also very expensive. I've been scolded by my wife for buying systems on launch day, "wait for a price drop" she'll say, "the first ones always have shitty hardware and firmware, CANT YOU WAIT??"

Can I?

My wife is going to want to kill me but...

I'll have to get the PS3 on launch day. I have no choice. I'll be too jacked up about it. I'll have to have it. Put it out now, NOW I WANT IT NOW!

[Ed Oscuro]

I'd jump at the opportunity if I had the money to get all these consoles, as I'm looking forward to the sort of physics CS:Source has given me a view of. Dodgy PlayStation animations - goodbye! :D

[bargora]

I'm waiting for a price drop. Consoles are too expensive at release, first-gen hardware is unreliable, and launch titles are generally unimpressive (to me, anyway, tough customer that I am). And those same games will still be around (for $6) two years later.

That's my position and I'm sticking to it.

That is, unless Xbox2 gets Steel Battalion 2. Or 3. Or whatever they want to call it. They could call it Steel Battalion: Tuna Sandwich, and I'd run out and buy it. And whatever hardware it runs on.

The difference? Three things. (1) Giant robots make me nuts. (2) I love the feel of wrapping my hand around that big stick and squeezing off a few rounds. And (3) online games need to be played from day one. I pity the n00bs who jump into an online game a year later. Good way to get p3rpetually pwnzored. And you don't want to get "pwnzored", now do you?

So, this poll needs a "killer app" option.

[Ikari Warrior]

DP

[Ikari Warrior]

I'm really excited for Xbox 2. Xbox has become pretty much my favorite system ever because of all it's capable of.

I was never a huge fan of PS1, or 2 for that matter, it seemed like Sony was always behind in it's support of technology (lack of solid High Definition video, 5.1 sound, hard drive, internet support) but I'm sure I'll still get PS3 as well.

Nintendo's last two systems have been in the same situation, not enough games, and pretty much all the good ones are first-party.
Out of about 400 games I own for current systems, only 47 are for Gamecube. It accounts for only 3% of my entire collection, where Xbox is almost 20% (only behind NES and Genesis, thanks IGN collection list stats) That's not enough quality games over the life of the system.

I like how Nintendo continues to innovate, and the comments made about how a controller hooked to a box that's hooked to a TV is a concept that needs a "revolution" I'm not sure they have what it takes to bring this massive change to the industry. I don't know if they'll ever be a super power in the industry again.

But yeah, I'm still buyin' all 3. :)

[drdrew1469]

I have no desire anymore for new consoles to pile up in my basement. Newer consoles don't interest me at all, it's all about the money, pure and simple (ie, exact same game on 3 proprietary systems for $50 a piece...do I look retarded?). Within weeks of a new console release, there will be an emulator, within a few months to a year it should be playable with commercial games. Then i'll get a used controller for that system and mod/adapter that to a usb. I'd rather focus on the classic "carts" stuff I need, not cdroms. For those I can wait until that system becomes a classic and d/l the...uhh...homebrews, yeah thats it, homebrews... ;)

[EnemyZero]

i really am not looking foward to next gen gaming...unless its a jump from like..how 16bit to 32 bit was...i wont be biting..i have more than enuff DC, genny and nes stuff to keep me happy for the rest of my life

[chrisbid]

i think its amazing how many people are already willing to spend money on systems without seeing a single screenshot or movie of the GAMES! Show me a fun game, and maybe i will be interested. until then, i wont jerk off on tech specs and other trumped up features that will more than likely be more of the same.

[ddockery]

I have no desire anymore for new consoles to pile up in my basement. Newer consoles don't interest me at all, it's all about the money, pure and simple (ie, exact same game on 3 proprietary systems for $50 a piece...do I look retarded?). Within weeks of a new console release, there will be an emulator, within a few months to a year it should be playable with commercial games. Then i'll get a used controller for that system and mod/adapter that to a usb. I'd rather focus on the classic "carts" stuff I need, not cdroms. For those I can wait until that system becomes a classic and d/l the...uhh...homebrews, yeah thats it, homebrews... ;)

That's absurd. We don't have playable emulators for TODAY's systems yet, and they've been out for years. GCN is arguable, but the overall quality is still pretty crappy. The other 2 aren't even on the map. If you don't want to buy them then more power to you, but you won't be playing the games on an emulator any time soon either.

[drdrew1469]

That's absurd. We don't have playable emulators for TODAY's systems yet, and they've been out for years.

uhh, that's why i emphasised the word "playable" and added "I can wait until that system becomes a classic..." Now, I've heard of "selective hearing", but "selective vision" is a new one to me... :eek 2:


The other 2 aren't even on the map.

btw, what are PCSX2 and Xeon? :hmm:

[kainemaxwell]

Unless the games wow me with great gameplay other then bells and whistles I'll wait for a price drop, or be the only person on my street to still have a PS2.

[Nature Boy]

I'm definitely looking forward to the next generation - after all, I love getting a new toy. :)

This time around I plan on buying only one console at launch though, and I'll wait 2 years or so before getting any of it's competition (if I happen to receive one as a gift before that, well, I won't turn it down :) ). This way I'll focus my buying on just one machine and (hopefully) I'll finish as much as I purchase :D

Even though it's really early now it's fun making that decision. (I guess it's not a decision yet, just a leaning, but whatareyagonnado?)

[le geek]

(2) I love the feel of wrapping my hand around that big stick and squeezing off a few rounds.

:eek 2:


Cheers,
Ben

[AB Positive]

I've got so many current-gen RPGs I haven't even opened let alone played... nah, I'll stick to this generation for a long while.

-AG

[Aussie2B]

(2) I love the feel of wrapping my hand around that big stick and squeezing off a few rounds.

:eek 2:

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed how wrong that sounds. x_x

Anyway, my interest in the next generation is pretty much non-existent, which is only slightly less than my interest in this current generation. :P What it all comes down to is that I follow tri-Ace. Their games are the ONLY games I have to have immediately. However, since their games always come out in Japan first, I may just completely ignore the US game industry for several years, just as I did by buying a Japanese PS2 and still having no US one years later.

[donnie]

I wont upgrade until i can get the system(s) for around 100 euro. I already have to many games on the shelf that i havent played yet, buying another system will only make it worse.

And I really dont see the point in paying full price for a system with a games cataloge of tartedup but worthless launch games. I wont fall for it this time. ;)

[Griking]

I usually wait until they come out with a second or third revision of a console that doesn't break three months after you buy it.

[Cleatis]

As much as Id like to be an early adopter, I really dont see a need for it ATM. Id wait and see what they have to offer. It would also depend on who releases it. X-Box 2? No way. PS3, Id wait for the price to drop. Sega, absolutely. PSP, oh yeah. Atari, probably not but Id think about it.

[JJNova]

As much as Id like to be an early adopter, I really dont see a need for it ATM. Id wait and see what they have to offer. It would also depend on who releases it. X-Box 2? No way. PS3, Id wait for the price to drop. Sega, absolutely. PSP, oh yeah. Atari, probably not but Id think about it.

Even without knowing ANYTHIN about the consoles? That's pretty amazing.

[Cleatis]

As much as Id like to be an early adopter, I really dont see a need for it ATM. Id wait and see what they have to offer. It would also depend on who releases it. X-Box 2? No way. PS3, Id wait for the price to drop. Sega, absolutely. PSP, oh yeah. Atari, probably not but Id think about it.

Even without knowing ANYTHIN about the consoles? That's pretty amazing.

X-Box 2: I wouldnt run out and buy it, I dont need it.

PS3: I dont need it but Grid computing looks very promising and HD Blue Ray is definatly something Id like to have so Id wait for the price to drop and see what else they have to offer.

Sega: Its called history. Strong hardware and great software but no guaranteed life of the system. Even so, any Sega system has been worth having.

PSP: Ive been keeping up with it and PSP sounds like something I would like to purchase.

Atari: History again. If history holds true, the hardware would be fine but as for the life of the system, who knows if it would last long enough to take advantage of the hardwares capabilities. Third party developers would be reluctant to spend the resources to develop quality software for the system.

[sabre2922]

I MIGHT pick up an Xbox2 IF my current (not even a year old yet :angry: ) PS2 goes to shit O_O

[Videogamerdaryll]

I always upgrade to the newest systems ..I CAN wait..but that won't make me sell my old systems or stop playing them..
....... I'm perfectly happy with my current gen systems..

[Mythik]

I'm excited, because you know what tha means? Major price breaks in previous gen stuff (Can finally get a GC and Xbox for a decent price...yay for the collecting side) ;)

[sabre2922]

Now that we have seen running Xbox360 games and "demonstrations" of PS3 games along with possible price point for these two systems I was wondering if anyones opinions have changed on this topic?

I have to admit that Im interested in the Xbox360 at this point but its verrry doubtful I would pick one up on or around its launch date.

It maybe that Im just old-school or easily entertained-Kurt Cobain :hail: but I still beleive that the industry as a whole specifically Sony and MS are pushing out these new systems too early and may be very surprised at how few early adopters there will be for this upcoming generation compared to what there was say back in the day when there was the transition from 2-D to 3-D from Genesis/SNES to PSX/N64.

Hell many of my friends who are for the most part casual gamers are perfectly happy with their PS2's and Xboxs and after seeing games like BLACK on PS2 Im still thinking its a slight gamble especially for MS who will be the first up to bat and seems to be intent on killing what is still the newest system on the market and will have little more than a 4 year lifespan :? but I guess well see wont we?

[Snapple]

I'm a little more interested in the Xbox360 than before E3, but honestly, I'm still not that enthused.

I don't think the next generation is THAT much of an improvement over the current one.

Honestly, I can't wait for the technology to plateau so I can stop upgrading. Same thing with computers.

I think the next set of systems are coming out too early. Instead of waiting for a sizable enough gap in console technology, they're going on a watch. Like they have to release a system every 3-4 years, whether it's ready or not.

I'll hold off further judgments until the 360 launch. I admit I think Kameo looks quite spiffy. But aside from the fact that it can hold a few hundred orcs on the screen at the same time, the graphics don't look that far beyond what a PS2 could do.

[googlefest1]

at the moment all i have an urge for is buying another xbox when the new systems arive - hopeing for a price drop

i always wait to see what happends with the market - i usualy am too cheap to buy a new system upon release - i look for price drops

[The Plucky Little Ninja]

I still think it's way to early for another generation of consoles.

And even if it weren't, I've learned enough from the past to hold off on buying any of them until, at least, two price drops.

I don't think there's any sense buying a new console until there's enough software out there to determine which one is the system to buy.

Hell I just got my hands on an Xbox, what is it now, 3? years after it came out, and my main reason for loving it is that I can get great games like KOTOR and Soul Calibur 2 for $9 used.

[AlexKidd]

While i'm happy with my current gen systems and my classic systems I am looking forward to the new systems next year. I'll definitely be buying the Revolution on launch day. And while i'm probably not going to buy the xbox 360 myself I wouldn't mind getting one for christmas lol. I am not too anxious to get these systems yet though. My cube still has plenty of life left in it as do most of my older systems.

[Ed Oscuro]

Every time a new hardware "generation" comes around, there are fewer adopters - especially early adopters. Of course, the fact that they keep going up and up in price doesn't help matters much, either.
Unfortunately, this seems to be the case.

Well, I'd get a Revolution if it would upgrade the textures in Resident Evil 4 ;D Other than that...I'm interested in skipping the PS2 and getting a PS3 (also to play some PS2 games I've picked up or are thinking about picking up).

[Alucard]

I'll just wait a while for a price drop and then I'll think about getting one. I am completey fine with playing all my old stuff, in fact I would probably prefer it.

[Anthony1]

It's funny.


When I got really deep into retrogaming, I thought for sure that I had bought my last system at launch. That I wouldn't do it anymore.


Why should I?

I've got tons of great systems, tons and tons of great games, and not enough time on my hands as it is. So why even worry about the next-gen?


But you know what?


I can't wait for those new systems, and I'll be snapping them up the day they release like I always have since the launch of the SNES. You see I have a streak going. Starting with the Super Nintendo, I've bought every home console on the day of launch (except 3DO).


Super Nintendo - day of launch
Sega CD - day of launch
Jaguar - day of launch
Sega 32X - day of launch
Sega Saturn - day of launch
Sony Playstation - day of launch
Nintendo 64 - day of launch
Dreamcast - day of launch
PS2 - day of launch
XBOX - day of launch
GameCube - day of launch


So you can see that I had a pretty damn good streak going. And I thought for sure that after "going retro" that streak would come to an end. But as the reality of a new XBOX actually being available in 2005 started to leak out in March, I started getting more and more excited. Then I tuned in for the MTV crap fest, and then e3, and all the new issues of the magazines.

Now I'm super excited about the 360 and I can't wait for launch day. I guess an Early Adopter never really changes their ways.

The streak will continue, at least when it comes to the 360 and PS3. I'm almost certain I won't be getting a Revolution on launch day.



By the way, the 3DO was the only system since the SNES that I didn't buy on Launch Day. I ended up getting a 3DO around the time that Madden came out on it, I think it was early 1994 and I got it at a Good Guys! Store. The only reason I got it then, was because they had a open box 3DO that was marked down to $399.99, and I really wanted to play Madden and Total Eclipse. Also, I got the TurboGrafx-16 and Genesis a few months after launch.

[Lothars]

Well honestly I think that it's not really worth to upgrade to the new systems it's really way to soon, but I am going to wait and see if the games are an upgrade in quality than very well i might pick it up

but than it really depends

the revolution might be the one I pick up at launch day. though until we hear more that is a very big might.

[Gamereviewgod]

I'll buy them all at launch likely, though I only have a small amount interest in the Revolution. There's always one or two games for each system at launch that's worth the price.

[Bronty-2]

I'd be curious as to what the average gamer thinks... most of us here seem pretty blase as to picking up next gen systems, but we're all classic gamers so it seems like a pretty biased poll. Wonder what the replies would be like on a more mainstream forum? What's the mainstream's attitude like? Same as ours?

[Anthony1]

I'd be curious as to what the average gamer thinks... most of us here seem pretty blase as to picking up next gen systems, but we're all classic gamers so it seems like a pretty biased poll. Wonder what the replies would be like on a more mainstream forum? What's the mainstream's attitude like? Same as ours?


I'm guessing that the hardcore "non retro" gamers are very much into getting the next gen systems, and they will basically make up all the early adopters, but I'm not so sure the mainstream casual gamers are excited about spending $325 or so on a new machine. Some of the mainstream casuals might want them for their HDTV and widescreen support if they recently got a new TV.

[Ed Oscuro]

I'm guessing that the hardcore "non retro" gamers ... will basically make up all the early adopters, but I'm not so sure the mainstream casual gamers are excited about spending $325 or so on a new machine.
Yup.

Actually, I think having the perspective of the cycles gaming goes through is reason enough not to be an early adopter. Launch titles today (post-PS2, heh) should be better than they used to be, so I think we can expect quality stuff from the beginning next round. The only problem is that it just costs all that money. Enter the perspective of "I can just buy this later."

[sabre2922]

After seeing more games for the Xbox360 Im most likely going to pick one up after the first of the year or within about 3-6 months after its release.

Im very hyped about RE5 and PGR3 among many others.

Although Im still looking forward to many games on PS2 like Scarface, the Warriors, Godfather,Grandia 3, Soul Calibur3, and Phantasy Star Universe and especially RE4 so it may be a looooong while before Im very interested in a new system ;)