Been playing Willow, got me thinkin'... (movie games) [Archive]

Graham Mitchell

01-05-2005, 09:37 PM

I recently got a wild hair to download Capcom's Willow arcade rom for MAME, as I played it a lot when I was younger. Well, it's better than I remember. Anyone who's into late '80s Capcom's coin-op titles like Strider and Ghouls 'N' Ghosts should be required by law to play this if they haven't already. It's fantastic. It's literally a hybrid of the aforementioned games, done in a very colorful and fun style (you can even slide like in Strider!).

Since this game was based on a movie, it got me thinking...I haven't played a licensed game since about 1997. They just got so gawdawful in the 16-bit era that I couldn't hardly be bothered with them anymore. But so many of them used to be great! I liked both the SMS and NES versions of Rambo (give the NES version an honest try if you're hesitant; you may be shocked at how thoughtful the developers actually were with it--it plays like Zelda II), and Konami's tributes to the Goonies are among the best games developed for the NES period (who would have thought that Cindy Lauper tune would have sounded so great in those games?) And the NES version of Willow itself is a classic; totally different from the coin-op version, of course, but a wonderful game through and through (the twin towers area is one of the coolest things you'll ever see on the NES). I also dug Die Hard Trilogy for the PSone.

But for the most part I avoid games based on movies like the plague; I don't wonder why, either. Everybody knows they're rushed, etc. However, I was wondering what you guys's thoughts were on this topic, and maybe if you can recall some modern games bearing licenses that are worth checking out. There's got to be some diamonds in the rough somewhere.

stargate

01-05-2005, 09:46 PM

I really like Willow (Arcade) as well. It's a great looking and playing game and a ton of fun.

I used to like the Arcade version of Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom, which was pretty advanced for it's time.

The one big disappointment for me was that Ghostbusters never got a decent home or arcade version IMO. The Real Ghostbusters arcade machine sucked as did the Genny version of Ghostbusters.

Gapporin

01-05-2005, 10:05 PM

The one big disappointment for me was that Ghostbusters never got a decent home or arcade version IMO. The Real Ghostbusters arcade machine sucked as did the Genny version of Ghostbusters.

Have you tried SMS Ghostbusters? It's pretty fun, in my opinion.

IntvGene

01-05-2005, 10:13 PM

Cloak & Dagger (arcade) was a game that I enjoyed. Especially due to the tie-ins with the movie. I know the movie sucked, but it was a neat when I was a kid. I also liked Ghostbusters for the A2600 and Atari 8bit. Since you liked Goonies, check out the home computer versions of the game (Atari 8bit, C64). It's completely different, but interesting.

I know that you were looking for modern movie games, and I hear that the Chronicles of Riddick game wasn't half-bad, if you want to check that out.

GarrettCRW

01-05-2005, 10:17 PM

There was a PAL-only Ghostbusters II game for the NES that I've heard is of high quality.

Graham Mitchell

01-05-2005, 10:30 PM

I used to like the Arcade version of Indiana Jones And The Temple Of Doom, which was pretty advanced for it's time.

I've never played the arcade version, but I've played Tengen's NES version, and I LOVE that game. People seem to loathe it but I think it's really interesting. The visual perspective doesn't work in real life, but it works in that game. Creepy music, too. Thanks for reminding me about it; I should check out the arcade version.

Since you liked Goonies, check out the home computer versions of the game (Atari 8bit, C64). It's completely different, but interesting.

You know, I've played the C64 version of the Goonies, and I can't figure out how to pass the first screen...that one with the counterfeit-bill press...

Oh, and Cloak and Dagger is a great game, too. Which came first, the movie or the game? In the movie the kid's playing a home version; did that even exist?

stargate

01-05-2005, 10:34 PM

I'll have to check out some of the above mentioned Ghostbusters titles.

IntvGene

01-05-2005, 10:43 PM

You know, I've played the C64 version of the Goonies, and I can't figure out how to pass the first screen...that one with the counterfeit-bill press...

Oh, and Cloak and Dagger is a great game, too. Which came first, the movie or the game? In the movie the kid's playing a home version; did that even exist?

In each of the screens, you have to get Goonie characters past the obstacles to the bottom of the screen or whatever. With the counterfeit bill press, you have to set the press on so that it distracts the Fratelli's, and run past them through the fireplace.

As for Cloak and Dagger, KLOV (http://klov.com/game_detail.php?letter=&game_id=7353) says that the game, Agent X was remade into Cloak and Dagger. It was already in development as production of the movie began. I heard on Atariage that there was a partial prototype for the Atari 8bit, but that was about it. Someone else more knowledgeable might be able to comment on this further.

imanerd0011

01-05-2005, 11:20 PM

Willow is one of my favorite games for the NES, mainly because it is very similar to LOZ and Crystalis (my 2 favorites). I was playing it last year, and I got to level 16, and my dad was cleaning up and he threw away the piece of paper I had my passwords written down on. :( How is the arcade version different from the NES version?
I think that in the mid to late 90's companies would try to get the game out very fast (in time for the movie), and they would rush the game. Thus making many movie based games pretty damn bad. I also think that Superman 64 set movie based games back about 10 years. LOL . It made everyone think that all movie licensed games sucked, and many people still think that to this day.

Graham Mitchell

01-06-2005, 07:22 AM

How is the arcade version different from the NES version?

The arcade version is a side scroller, that essentially controls just like Strider. There are 2 types of levels: ones in which you play as Willow and shoot projectiles just like Ghouls 'N' Ghosts/Ghosts 'N' Goblins, and ones in which you play Madmartigan, and use a sword just like Strider.

The game looks and sounds like a Capcom arcade game from that era; in fact, some of the voice samples are lifted right out of Trojan.

I don't know if it's better than the NES version, but it's a damn good game. Try it!

FantasiaWHT

01-06-2005, 09:06 AM

I wasn't too keen on video game releases back then... but it seems like nowadays the game HAS to be out the same time as the movie (or even slightly before, like Incredibles) which wasn't the case back when.

Another contributing factor might be that video games are hyper popular now compared to back then, and licensed games are seen as a cheap way (low production values) to reach a large audience.

Jorpho

01-06-2005, 09:55 AM

There was a PAL-only Ghostbusters II game for the NES that I've heard is of high quality.

There was a port of that game to the B&W GB that was released in North America.

Daria

01-06-2005, 01:16 PM

Blade Runner (pc) is the best license game I've ever played. Same concept as the movie but the stryline plays out differently enough to be a surprise. Really good idea for a point and click.

Willow (nes) I also remember being pretty fun.

And I'm still kinda pissed that the Labyrinth (nes) game was only released in Japan.

Ed Oscuro

01-06-2005, 01:37 PM

I liked both the SMS and NES versions of Rambo (give the NES version an honest try if you're hesitant; you may be shocked at how thoughtful the developers actually were with it--it plays like Zelda II),
At least one of the SMS Rambo games (I believe it's Rambo: First Blood II) is simply a hack of a Japanese game without any Rambo license whatsoever.

Capcom's Gun.Smoke doesn't have a movie license, but rather is based (very, very loosely) on the classic T.V. show - now THAT is a game.

As for the Labyrinth game on NES...well, I never did figure how to get out of that starting area. Here's David Bowie and...oops, I'm being chased by fairies! What the crap?

Daria

01-06-2005, 01:52 PM

As for the Labyrinth game on NES...well, I never did figure how to get out of that starting area. Here's David Bowie and...oops, I'm being chased by fairies! What the crap?

You kinda run around in loops until Hoggle opens the door for you. Might be a timed sequance or you have to step on a hidden trigger. I'm not sure how it works. But it does.

It's probably not a very good game, but it's fun to see all the muppets drawn in 8-bit pixels. Plays like Gauntlet more then anything else. I dunno. I like it anyway.

fahrvergnugen

01-06-2005, 02:09 PM

for modern games, as mentioned above, The Chronicles of Riddick is a really fantastic game on its own right, much less a great licensed game.

NintendoMan

01-06-2005, 02:54 PM

Yes, I like Willow too. I have always, and will sometime, try out Ghostbuters 1 and 2 for the NES.

I just watched Willow on DVD the other day with my girlfriend. I LOVE the movie.

Graham Mitchell

01-06-2005, 03:58 PM

I must be the only sicko that liked Ghostbusters on the NES. The SMS version was far better, clearly, but I loved the NES version because it shows just how drunk the programmers at Activision were when developing that game. They didn't even try. OK, so I don't like it because it's a good game, but it's still pretty funny (and sad at the same time).

At least one of the SMS Rambo games (I believe it's Rambo: First Blood II) is simply a hack of a Japanese game without any Rambo license whatsoever.

Secret Commando is the original title, I think. I think this may be why a lot of older licensed games are pretty good; they didn't start out as licensed games.

Nature Boy

01-06-2005, 04:04 PM

junglehunter

01-06-2005, 06:11 PM

And I'm still kinda pissed that the Labyrinth (nes) game was only released in Japan.
OMG. I need this game so badly. Any sites on the net selling it? :(

Ed Oscuro

01-06-2005, 06:15 PM

CRV

01-06-2005, 06:46 PM

At least one of the SMS Rambo games (I believe it's Rambo: First Blood II) is simply a hack of a Japanese game without any Rambo license whatsoever.

Secret Commando is the original title, I think.
In Brazil, yes; I've seen the Japanese title and I remember it being different. Probably translates much the same though.

In Japan, it was called Ashura. In North America and Brazil, it was Rambo. In Europe and Australia, the box says Secret Command, but the title screen says Secret Commando. The Europe/Australia version also turned up in Brazil through the Master System 3 Collection units with built-in games.

It seems like the game was made with the Rambo license in mind. Perhaps the Japanese version not having it had to do with Pack-In Video (makers of the MSX and NES Rambos) having the license in Japan. Just a thought...

Capcom's Gun.Smoke doesn't have a movie license, but rather is based (very, very loosely) on the classic T.V. show - now THAT is a game.

It had nothing to do with the TV show, AFAIK. The period in the name was apparently put there to avoid any confusion or legal problems.

Graham Mitchell

01-06-2005, 08:44 PM

There are still lots of crap movie licensed games out these days, but there are some good ones too. Are you talking about games based soley on the movie or are we talking about spin offs?

Regardless, I can't believe nobody mentioned GoldenEye yet!

I liked the SNES Star Wars games - they weren't anything special, but they were fun. Star Wars: Battlefront looks like it'd be fun (I've only played a demo so far). And I *loved* Knights of the Old Republic.

If you like Beat 'em Ups the two Lord of the Rings games (by EA, ROTK and TTT) are pretty good too. They integrated the actual movie into the game really well. I'm sure we could all go on forever about this stuff...

It could be a spin off. And yes, Goldeneye is pretty cool. I thought it was really hard, actually.

Some of the Star Wars games over the years have been pretty good over the years, although very few have been anything truly remarkable (to me, anyway. Most people disagree with that sentiment.) I liked some of the PC games like X-wing and Tie Fighter. I actually didn't think the SNES games were anything to right home about, and I noticed that all my friends that loved those games were totally nuts about Star Wars, and mostly loved them because of the all the voice samples.

jerkov

01-07-2005, 12:14 AM

There was a PAL-only Ghostbusters II game for the NES that I've heard is of high quality.

Yes, yes......it's called New Ghostbusters II, and it was created by HAL Laboratory. Excellent game, a true shame that it never saw a U.S. release. This game is a *must have* for Ghostbusters fans and NES collectors alike. Since I qualify as both, I've had a couple copies of the game slide through my fingers, and I currently have a boxed copy that is definitely one of the favorites in my collection. You may be able to find a copy on www.ebay.co.uk or other European eBay sites.

There was a port of that game to the B&W GB that was released in North America.

Not entirely true. Ghostbusters II for the Game Boy is based off of the New Ghostbusters II engine, but all of the levels and locations are totally different. The characters look the same and the game plays similar, but that's about it. It's also a good game, but I think New Ghostbusters II is a far, far better game.

it290

01-07-2005, 12:24 AM

It's not a movie license, but I found X-Men Legends to be rather enjoyable. Certainly the best X-Men game to be released for quite some time. Spider-Man 2 was fairly solid, as well.

On the subject of licensed superhero games, I've been playing quite a bit of Batman (NES) lately. Now that is a good licensed game, even if it doesn't really have much in common with the movie.

Nature Boy

01-07-2005, 09:10 AM

I actually didn't think the SNES games were anything to right home about, and I noticed that all my friends that loved those games were totally nuts about Star Wars, and mostly loved them because of the all the voice samples.

But they're not bad - they're at least playable unlike some of the poorer licensed Star Wars stuff. Like, say Shadows of the Empire (which I've never enjoyed, and I'm a definite Star Wars fan).

DigitalSpace

01-07-2005, 10:01 AM

Willow for the NES definitely rocked (I haven't played the arcade version so I can't offer my opinion on that). The SNES Star Wars games were pretty decent too. I also liked The Lion King on the SNES.

As for current-gen, Spider-Man 2 is nice. I've heard that the first one was pretty decent as well (I own the GC version but I haven't played it yet, so I can't offer a personal opinion).

Graham Mitchell

01-07-2005, 11:27 AM

I just remembered Aladdin on the Genesis was really good too; developed by Dave Perry/Shiny Entertatinment, the people who did Earthwrom Jim and MDK.

Daria

01-07-2005, 12:17 PM

I just remembered Aladdin on the Genesis was really good too; developed by Dave Perry/Shiny Entertatinment, the people who did Earthwrom Jim and MDK.

I forgot all about those.

Yeah Aladdin and the Lion King were really fantastic genesis side scrollers.

The Great Dane

01-07-2005, 01:46 PM

Willow is for sure one of my favorite NES games ever. Great game. Sure, they added in a lot of new stuff, but they were all good additions if you ask me.

I also really like the Indiana Jones Trilogy that came out for the SNES. It has all three movies on it and they are all pretty cool.

Also, Star Wars: Rogue Squadron 2 for the Gamecube is a very cool game. I just got it the other day and it is one of the coolest Star Wars games I have played (though, I haven't played too many :/)

Aussie2B

01-07-2005, 01:57 PM

While there were quite a few good licensed games back in the 80s, the percentage was still really bad. I'd say 50% of the time the game would be absolutely wretched. I think the ratio has been getting even worse over the years. I think Goldeneye is the most recent good one I've played. Everything else I've played since that game's release has been tolerable at best.

Lord Contaminous

01-07-2005, 03:47 PM

As I mentioned in another thread, the greatest movie-to-game adaption I've played would be Batman Returns on SNES, in fact I think that's the best Batman video game period. Nothing is more thrilling than the many things you can do with clowns. Beat them up, or even THROW them against glass, or accidently blast another clown with a bazooka cause you made him miss when he tried to fire at you in the first place.

Because the SNES's audio had enough power to almost emulate digitized instruments, and Konami knows what great game music is all about, they did a damn good job with the game's soundtrack, it has that upbeat orchestrated style that's heard in the Batman movies.

SoulBlazer

01-07-2005, 04:59 PM

Spiderman 2 is a great game based off a licence....and so is Riddick and the LOTR games. The 007 games are pretty good also.

Graham Mitchell

01-07-2005, 09:24 PM

Did anybody ever play Fester's Quest on the NES? That was by Sunsoft, like Batman, and I was really impressed by it. It was obvious it was from the same people behind Blaster Master.

Here's one that people always disagree with me on: Superman for the NES. I think it's cool despite all it's flaws (or maybe BECAUSE of it's flaws). I find it hilarious when the little munchkins ask me if I'm going to the disco. :D