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fishsandwich
01-10-2005, 12:38 PM
Unbeknownst to some poeple, the European Dreamcast market got a fair amount of games that never came out in the US. Some of these games came out in Japan, but some didn't. I'd love to see some input from gamers from PAL countries and compare what we got that PAL didn't.


TOP 5 BEST PAL DREAMCAST GAMES (no United States release)

1. REZ. This game is phemonimal. I didn't realize its genius until I drank a lot of coffee and then started playing it, bouncing up and down on my couch to the music. You have GOT to play this game with a surround system to appreciate its majesty. This game also came out in Japan and is all in English, so I recommend the Japanese release over the PAL since the Japanese game appears to be cheaper. Or you can always just get the PS2 game that was recently re-released.

2. HEADHUNTER. While it's not the "Metal Gear Solid Killer" that it was hyped to be, this is still a damned deep and very impressive game by all accounts. There's tons of stuff to do, and the graphics are amazing for the Dreamcast... a testament to what the Dreamcast might have accomplished had its hardware been fully tapped. Too bad about the shitty motorcycle controls in the driving portions, though. It was ported to the PS2 and has since had a sequel for the PS2 and X-Box.

3. EVIL TWIN. I was SO disappointed that this deep, dark platformer didn't make it stateside! Developed by the same folks that did Rayman 2, this is a much darker tale involving orphans, altered states and realities, insanity, and some naughty language. It's all pretty typical platform fare, but the tone is so dark and the graphics so colorful that I didn't notice I was jumping so much and fighting the camera. I've heard rumors of bugs and glitches due to its rushed release, but I have yet to encounter any.This was slated for a US release, but it only made it out in Europe. No other console ports exist according to the web.

4. STUNT GP. This is one colorful game! It's a RC racer with a concentration on wild tracks, big stunts, and serious four-player mayhem. You can also earn money to upgrade your racer (this can be quite addictive.) It's not that great as a one-player game, but add in another three players and a big screen TV and it's a hell of a lot of fun. There's also a PS2 version as well, but I hear it isn't nearly as good as the Dreamcast game.

5. FIGHTING VIPERS 2. Some folks mistakedly believe this was released in the States. It wasn't. They may be getting it mixed up with Virtual On: Oratorio Tangram, which wasn't released in the USA by Sega but was picked up by Activision after on odd delay and rumors that it wasn't going to get released at all. Anyway... this is a pretty fun little fighter that just wasn't appreciated for its positive points. No, it's not nearly as good as Soul Calibur or Dead or Alive 2 or even Virtua Fighter 3tb, but it's still loud, colorful, and fun. Plays FAST, and there's nothing like busting off all your opponet's body armor (leaving them to play in their underthings) and then blasting him out of the ring into a burning building.


TOP 5 WORST PAL DREAMCAST GAMES (no United States release)

1. WHO WANTS TO BE A MILLIONAIRE? No, ths has NOTHING to do with "Who Wants To Beat Up A Millionaire?", another crap game. It's not hosted by that catty English lady... it's some dude, presumably from the British television version of the show. This game could run on an old 486 PC... they made NO effort to push the DC. I realize that game show games generally don't really stress the host hardware to any great degree, but this crap doesn't even try at all. Shitty options and few variations.

2. EXHIBITION OF SPEED. I understand this is the pseudo-sequel to "Roadsters." That's not much of a pedigree. The graphics and car selection and unlockables aren't bad, but you have to start with one of only two shitty cars, and EVERYTHING handles like a tank. You never feel like you're going above 30mph. Bad, bad game. I'm still waiting for this game to exhibit anything resembling speed.

3. TOY RACER. Damn this game is boring. It was really meant to be played online... you can't even race an opponent offline unless you drag a friend over, and even then it's just not any fun. This game might have been good online, but the servers were in Europe, and they are all turned off now, so who knows? The single-player game bites. I understand this game was super-cheap though (like 5 pounds) so I guess it had something going for it.

4. SHENMUE II. I know some people are going to flame me for this choice, but I don't care. Put it in your own personal "Top 5" list if you want... I have it and I can't stand it. Yeah, I know it looks fantastic and the attention to detail is striking, but come on folks, this game is just plain flat-out BORING. It's just as dull and droll as the first game, only the world you have to explore is 10x as big. I know it's supposed to be a "living, breathing world" and all that, but I can almost HEAR the code loading up for the next scheduled "random event." The way people pop into view is uncool, too.

5. AQUA GT. I had a hard time picking a fifth choice... there weren't THAT many UK exclusives, and a don't know much about all those soccer games ( haven't played them, but I hear many of them suck.) This game makes the list by default, but just barely. It's a different, more realistic take on "Hydro Thunder" with less interesting tracks, no cool short-cuts or power-ups, and a general lack of real fun. It's not BAD, but its certainly not the "Gran Turismo on water" touted by the developer. Also for PSone and PC.


So what do you think of my choices? Agree? Disagree? Indifferent? Most "hardcore" gamers know that many cool games are only available through import, but most of us forget PAL territories and go straight to Japan. PAL gamers got some cool stuff that we didn't, and it's all in English (and several other languages if you like.)


I'd LOVE for someone to give a list of the best & worst USA Dreamcast games that never got a PAL release. Seaman, anyone?

Cheers

:D

banski83
01-10-2005, 01:22 PM
Oi! Don't knock Seaman! Nowt wrong with it, just takes a little patience, that's all. Those of you who remember and enjoyed the Tamagotchi craze many years ago will enjoy it, plus the microphone accessory that allows you to hold conversations with Seaman is pretty damn good.

What conditions ur version of Shenmue 2 in?

tuxedojoe
01-10-2005, 01:26 PM
FLAME FLAME FLAME FLAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!1!!1!

Shenmue II is the number one reason to be able to play imports on your US DC. It is a huge, beautiful game that keeps me coming back time and time again. I love it! You are entitled to your own opinion, but perhaps you should give the game a second chance.

josekortez
01-10-2005, 01:29 PM
I lucked up and bought a sealed PAL Rez from an import shop for $20. I opened that sucker and haven't regretted it.

max 330 mega
01-10-2005, 01:40 PM
if you wanna trade me that shenmue 2 , id love to work something out.
shenmue 2 is one of my top 10 fav. games ever.

fishsandwich
01-10-2005, 01:53 PM
Oi! Don't knock Seaman! Nowt wrong with it, just takes a little patience, that's all. Those of you who remember and enjoyed the Tamagotchi craze many years ago will enjoy it, plus the microphone accessory that allows you to hold conversations with Seaman is pretty damn good.

What conditions ur version of Shenmue 2 in?

Seaman is one of those games that could appear in either a Best OR Worst list of "USA Dreamcast games that never made it to PAL"

I've played it awhile, but not enough to pass review on it. I don't think I'd put it amoung the worst, though. It's damed innovative if a bit flawed and often dull.

I knew some people would disagree with Shenmue II... it's one of those polarizing games. I can't stand it... others love it.

The copy I have seems to be complete... two CD cases and a cardboard outer box, but I have no desire to get rid of it at this point, even if I do dislike it. I hardly ever get rid of anything.

Cheers

:D

banski83
01-10-2005, 02:44 PM
Just wonderin: why do u want to punch ur brother in the face with a fish sandwich? X_x 8-) LOL That would be class comedy to watch, smacking somebody with a fish sandwich! I know its at a tangent from the thread, but I'm just curious, lol!

Gunstar_Hero UK
01-10-2005, 03:12 PM
Shenmue II just happens to be one of my fav games of all time. So apart from that, the list seems very good to me!

Joe. :)

fishsandwich
01-10-2005, 03:45 PM
Just wonderin: why do u want to punch ur brother in the face with a fish sandwich? X_x 8-) LOL That would be class comedy to watch, smacking somebody with a fish sandwich! I know its at a tangent from the thread, but I'm just curious, lol!

It's a running joke we have... he loves McDonald's fish sandwiches, especially with extra tarter sauce. I like them without the sauce. One time I picked up lunch for us and made sure the cook puts LOADS of extra sauce on his two sandwiches... way more than normal. My brother bit into one and tarter sauce dripped all over him and squirted out all over his shirt. I tried to act dumb, but I am a poor liar. We ended up getting in a food fight with tarter sauce and ketchup flying everywhere. Those were the days.

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Back to the thread... I thought Shenmue II would be a controversial choice for worst PAL game that didn't make it to America. Maybe it belongs on both lists... as a game can be many things to many people, it could certainly occupy a space on both the best and worst lists. I'm sure plenty would argue that Shenmue II is better than Fighting Vipers 2. I'm just not one of them.

Now, how about one of you Euro-folks putting up a list of the best and worst Dreamcast games that made it to the USA but didn't get a PAL release? I'm sure someone has got to be up on this... I just mentioned Seaman as it was a pretty high-profile game that never got a PAL release, most certainly due to the fact that it would have to be translated to French, Spanish, German, etc. Did Alien Front Online ever make it over? Ooga Booga? Typing of the Dead? What did PAL Dreamcast gamers want that only came out in the USA? What non-PAL games came out in the USA that you've tried and hated?

MegaDrive20XX
01-10-2005, 03:56 PM
you better give me that Shenmue II...it's too good for you... ;)

fishsandwich
01-11-2005, 09:09 AM
BUMP... No PAL gamers with thoughts on USA-only games?

Cheers

:D

davidleeroth
01-11-2005, 11:11 AM
No thoughts about US games but I have one about Stunt GP:


It's the biggest pile of crap on Dreamcast!


And yes, I've tried it with my friends. I love racing games and I was really looking forward playing this game. I have no idea why they called this one Stunt GP as they only gave you two "stunts" to perform.
If for some reason you want this game, check out my sig as I have a sealed one for trade.

I'll agree with Exhibition Of Speed, this was my other disappointment on DC. I know pre-war cars were all but nimble but bicycle tires and 200mph should equal at least some kind of excitiment.

anagrama
01-11-2005, 12:29 PM
eh, since you asked so nicely: My top US Dreamcast games that weren't released in Europe:

Mars Matrix
Seaman
Virtual On OT
Gigawing 2
Alien Front Online

Others possibilities that I've not really played much: Sports Jam, Sega Marine Fishing, Mark of the Wolves, Ooga Booga, Elemental Gimmick Gear

Ones we're glad we didn't get:

Who Wants to Beat Up a Millionaire
Centipede
Frogger 2
Probably a few US sports games aswell.

RCM
01-11-2005, 12:45 PM
1. REZ. This game is phemonimal. I didn't realize its genius until I drank a lot of coffee and then started playing it, bouncing up and down on my couch to the music. You have GOT to play this game with a surround system to appreciate its majesty.

Isn't it a "requirement" to play REZ with the surround sound on? I have the PS2 and DC verions and I swear there is a notice telling people to use surround sound b/c without it you won't be able to fully appreciate the game.

THE ONE, THE ONLY- RCM

Vroomfunkel
01-11-2005, 02:14 PM
I would say that your list is ok, except that you should remove Shenmue 2 from the "crapsters" list, and replace it with "Taxi 2 - Le Jeu" Honestly .. it may well be the rarest Dreamcast game, but there's a reason it never made it any further than France. It stinks - glitchy, poorly designed and hardly playable.

As for NTSC games that we should have got - Seaman is one. I have it now, but haven't actually got round to playing it yet. Nevertheless, I just like anything that tries something new, so this should have been given a chance at least.

Mars Matrix also, as I have heard this is a great shooter. I like great shooters :D

Vroomfunkel

fishsandwich
01-11-2005, 03:07 PM
No thoughts about US games but I have one about Stunt GP:


It's the biggest pile of crap on Dreamcast!


And yes, I've tried it with my friends. I love racing games and I was really looking forward playing this game. I have no idea why they called this one Stunt GP as they only gave you two "stunts" to perform.
If for some reason you want this game, check out my sig as I have a sealed one for trade.

I'll agree with Exhibition Of Speed, this was my other disappointment on DC. I know pre-war cars were all but nimble but bicycle tires and 200mph should equal at least some kind of excitiment.

Yo... I think you're thinking "Spirit of Speed 1937", not "Exhibition of Speed." They do sound awfully alike and they both stink. Spirit of Speed is a pretty interesting concept (race old cars that are configured like they would have been originally) but the graphics stink and the races are LONG and BORING. No two player, either! Exhibition of Speed is the pseudo-sequel to Roadsters and features a lot of open cars (some obviously based on real-world cars but with different names... no licensing agreement, I guess.) All the cars are modern and supposedly fast, but the game gives no sense of speed at all and the handling is dreadful.

I had no idea Europe didn't get Mars Matrix or Gigawing 2... that sucks.

Thanks for the input, folks!

Cheers

:D

WiseSalesman
01-11-2005, 03:26 PM
Just to defend you, I'm going to say "good call" on Shenmue 2. I haven't even played it, but Shenmue 1 was a horrendous game. Absolutely terrible. Don't get me wrong, Shenmue fans. it was great tech demo and all.

fishsandwich
01-11-2005, 03:51 PM
Just to defend you, I'm going to say "good call" on Shenmue 2. I haven't even played it, but Shenmue 1 was a horrendous game. Absolutely terrible. Don't get me wrong, Shenmue fans. it was great tech demo and all.

YES! I hated Shenmue I, and I DID play it. I made it about halfway through before my family had to put me on life support. I know I made it about halfway through because the person who sold me Shenmue II was kind enough to include a movie showing all the cut scenes of Shenmue I, minus all the boring filler (the rest of the game.) I enjoyed the movie immensely, and it was then that I realized that I'd made it halfway through the game before I went into my coma.

I played Shenmue II for about an hour... looked great, sounded great, played dull as hell. I know it's a small issue, but the people popping up out of nowhere so close to my character were kind of unnerving. Then I had my medallion stolen and then I gave up. I mean, who the hell takes a small family heirloom of obvious value with them to a totally foreign country and carries it in around in a frigging BACKPACK? That creep from the first Shenmue almost got it one time... you'd think my character would keep his priceless artifact in his pocket or sock or something.

Cheers

:D

davidleeroth
01-11-2005, 03:57 PM
Yo... I think you're thinking "Spirit of Speed 1937", not "Exhibition of Speed." They do sound awfully alike and they both stink. Spirit of Speed is a pre...

You're right, I do. LOL I guess the 1937 piece of junk got released there as well. x_x Good thing you cleared that up, now I'll save myself from another DC racing game disappointment.

Now that anagrama mentioned Mars Matrix I can vouch for that too, I really liked the game.