EB sez "bend over" to potential WoW buyers

[Half Japanese]

http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/242464.asp

From what I've heard the msrp of this game is half of what they are currently listing it for. How can a company seriously present itself as professional pulling shit like that? CompUSA tried to do the same thing with the DS a few months ago (and I don't doubt they'd do it again, slimy fucks they are).

Even the listing for the item screams ebay scumbag "new in box. sealed." What a joke. What a complete joke.

[unbroken]

for some reason i thought that was illegal, but they must have permission from blizzard or something....

[sirgeoph]

for some reason i thought that was illegal, but they must have permission from blizzard or something....

msrp is exactly that: maufacturer's SUGGESTED retail price. retailers can sell a game at whatever they want. the reason they don't sell them higher is that someone else will sell it at the msrp, so no one will buy from them. some smaller stores (like us) sell new games at 54.99 instead of 49.99 because we get them at a much higher price since we buy small quantities at a time and not the thousands the big chains buy.

but in this case, if no one has the game, they have no competition, hence a monopoly.

[Ed Oscuro]

What's mysterious is how it seems that certain retail outlets have been stripped of their copies, yet EB Games is able to keep selling them? I understand the basic manipulation of price due to supply/demand, but I don't get why they've gotten to keep their copies.

[soniko_karuto]

On my best buy they have a bunch of WoW's, if anyone cares, it's the san diego, national city one.

[tholly]

http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/242464.asp

From what I've heard the msrp of this game is half of what they are currently listing it for. How can a company seriously present itself as professional pulling shit like that? CompUSA tried to do the same thing with the DS a few months ago (and I don't doubt they'd do it again, slimy fucks they are).

Even the listing for the item screams ebay scumbag "new in box. sealed." What a joke. What a complete joke.


i like the added $10 extra shipping charge because it is big
this may as well have been an ebay auction like you mentioned

[-hellvin-]

I have not seen this game in probably a month at my store.

[thegreatescape]

After seeing this (http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=8152963277&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT), $140 US doesnt seem like too bad a deal. :eek 2:

If you dont want to pay (or overpay) $140 for the collectors ed. then buy the regular release ($49 US) and enjoy a great game.

[Raedon]

The sad thing is the game has horrible class issues. 2 classes are fun and you NEVER group.. EVER..

WoW is the first MMORPG that feels like it's an offline RPG with 13 year old AI added.

It's fun, but the hype is groing to die fast. The game is so unballanced right now that even with it not having the EQ2 AC2 bugs it feels like a BETA.

There is no way for Blizzard to fix WoW because the class system is out and considered solid.. don't bother.

[brykasch]

Thats also your opinion Raedon. I on the other hand, have been having a blast playing my Warrior (supposedly the weakest class), I find groups all the time to play with (even ones not in my guild). Maybe WoW isn't for you, no game is for everyone, but I am enjoying the hell out of it. So is the wife.

[Raedon]

I said it's fun, I am enjoying it. but it has some major issues that can't be fixed. It is not a game of skill like Warcraft is, it's a game where you don't need gaming skill to play. I could group sure, but it's not for the need of skills it's just for a brute squad.

[goatdan]

What's mysterious is how it seems that certain retail outlets have been stripped of their copies, yet EB Games is able to keep selling them? I understand the basic manipulation of price due to supply/demand, but I don't get why they've gotten to keep their copies.

I noticed that EB Games is still selling the Guy Game also, even though it was supposed to be pulled from shelves.

http://www.ebgames.com/ebx/product/244602.asp

*shrug* I don't get it...

[blissfulnoise]

I said it's fun, I am enjoying it. but it has some major issues that can't be fixed. It is not a game of skill like Warcraft is, it's a game where you don't need gaming skill to play. I could group sure, but it's not for the need of skills it's just for a brute squad.

Not to thread jack (sorry), but I couldn't disagree more. Most classes have the ability to kill any other class depending on play style (of course I'm assuming that you're referring to PvP with the above statement and your previous one). I play a Frost Mage very competently in PvP able to kill Rogues in 1v1 in most instances (Rogues are so called "Mage Killers").

While I do agree that Shamans, Paladins, and Priests all have very strong PvP builds, none of them are un-defeatable.

Besides, despite all of your posts to the contrary, grouping is essential in WoW. I've grouped for 90% of my stay in Azaroth with my Mage. And for PvP, it's an absolute must. Mages cannot solo well as they have a higher amount of downtime to say a Warrior or Druid. But Warriors and Druids take longer to kill a MOB than a Mage's burst damage can. If you combine forces (not even including the XP bonus for grouping) it will equate to faster XP gain. This isn't even factoring that grouping will allow you to quest faster and higher to get bigger XP bonuses there too. Not to mention elite mobs that require more than one person of similar level to effectively defeat.

Is grouping required? No, and frankly, I quite like that. If I wanted to spam a zone for 2 hours looking for a one add to a group or building a full one in order to even play the game, I’d go play FFXI (a game I did play for months). You may be a glutton for that kind of punishment, but it doesn’t fit my definition of enjoyment. But, I assure you, grouping is a much more effective way to play the game.

Finally, you're comment comparing WoW to Warcraft III is like comparing an apple to on Orangutan. No MMO is purely a game of skill (save maybe Guild Wars). Though I would argue there is a great deal of skill in PvP in World of Warcraft with checks and balances for most abilities. Knowing how to attack, when to attack, and what to attack with is a requirement to survive most high level PvP encounters. Combine this with careful picking of your talent builds to play to your strengths and weaknesses and you have a fairly considerable amount of skill involved in successfully playing your toon.

[Raedon]

I said it's fun, I am enjoying it. but it has some major issues that can't be fixed. It is not a game of skill like Warcraft is, it's a game where you don't need gaming skill to play. I could group sure, but it's not for the need of skills it's just for a brute squad.

Not to thread jack (sorry), but I couldn't disagree more. Most classes have the ability to kill any other class depending on play style (of course I'm assuming that you're referring to PvP with the above statement and your previous one). I play a Frost Mage very competently in PvP able to kill Rogues in 1v1 in most instances (Rogues are so called "Mage Killers").

While I do agree that Shamans, Paladins, and Priests all have very strong PvP builds, none of them are un-defeatable.

Besides, despite all of your posts to the contrary, grouping is essential in WoW. I've grouped for 90% of my stay in Azaroth with my Mage. And for PvP, it's an absolute must. Mages cannot solo well as they have a higher amount of downtime to say a Warrior or Druid. But Warriors and Druids take longer to kill a MOB than a Mage's burst damage can. If you combine forces (not even including the XP bonus for grouping) it will equate to faster XP gain. This isn't even factoring that grouping will allow you to quest faster and higher to get bigger XP bonuses there too. Not to mention elite mobs that require more than one person of similar level to effectively defeat.

Is grouping required? No, and frankly, I quite like that. If I wanted to spam a zone for 2 hours looking for a one add to a group or building a full one in order to even play the game, I’d go play FFXI (a game I did play for months). You may be a glutton for that kind of punishment, but it doesn’t fit my definition of enjoyment. But, I assure you, grouping is a much more effective way to play the game.

Finally, you're comment comparing WoW to Warcraft III is like comparing an apple to on Orangutan. No MMO is purely a game of skill (save maybe Guild Wars). Though I would argue there is a great deal of skill in PvP in World of Warcraft with checks and balances for most abilities. Knowing how to attack, when to attack, and what to attack with is a requirement to survive most high level PvP encounters. Combine this with careful picking of your talent builds to play to your strengths and weaknesses and you have a fairly considerable amount of skill involved in successfully playing your toon.


As a PvP game it's great 1 Vs. 1 but that is no War. Warcraft is a game of skill like WAR is.. War isn't a game without consequences where every goes "RUN IN! ARRR" and get back up in a grave year with no loss of gold or exp. World of Warcraft is fun, but the only skill is with the 1 on 1 PvP which every MMORPG has. $15 to play a game of 1 on 1 skill with a few lame classes? no thanks.

The class system is to small and diluted with items like potions that make several classes worthless to allow for real MMORPG'ing, it's fun but for $15 you might as well go play something else after you hit 60 in 4 weeks or so.

and your comment about no MMORPG being a game of skill has never played a high level MMORPG like EQ. If it wasn't a game of skill then why do people who buy 65 Enchanters, clerics, etc on Ebay suck so bad that no one will play with them?

WoW is fun like demolition derby is fun.. to each his own.

[blissfulnoise]

And your comment about no MMORPG being a game of skill has never played a high level MMORPG like EQ. If it wasn't a game of skill then why do people who buy 65 Enchanters, clerics, etc on Ebay suck so bad that no one will play with them?

Just to retort on two points. I said "pure" skill. All MMOs have an element of skill, but some are more defined than others and I've played quite a few. I'd argue that FFXI would be at the upper echelon of "MMO skill", and CoH at the bottom. I'd rate WoW over EQ though having played both (admittedly, not to high levels in EQ as I despised the game).

Never played EQ2 though so I don't know how that would rate.

I'm not sure what you're talking about by saying "War" though. Are you talking about Warcraft III?

It sounds like your gripes of WoW stem from the lack of severe punishment that most MMOs dish out. Hey, if you're a masochist, enjoy the experience, but I prefer a game I can play at a reasonable pace without decimating my character for taking a death (read: FFXI). However, you do not go unpunished; you take a durability hit which equates to a monetary loss when you have to repair it. Minor enough not to distract from playing, but significant enough for you to avoid death (at least at low - midish levels). Exactly how I want it.

[Sylentwulf]

It's fun, but the hype is groing to die fast. The game is so unballanced right now that even with it not having the EQ2 AC2 bugs it feels like a BETA.

There is no way for Blizzard to fix WoW because the class system is out and considered solid.. don't bother.

What EQ2 bugs? AC2 was a joke, EQ2 had one bad day, and no real bugs or issues before or since then.

[Raedon]

I'd rate WoW over EQ though having played both (admittedly, not to high levels in EQ as I despised the game).



All MMORPG's are defined at the high levels. I just wanted to point this out to you as you can't comment on EQ unless you got at the very LEAST a piece of the old school plane class items. That goes for any MMORPG you have ever played.

I know *NO NAMES* people on DP who looooooove FF3 and FF7 but never finished them.




I'm not sure what you're talking about by saying "War" though. Are you talking about Warcraft III?


Warcraft is RTS as you know and is quite a hardcore game. You have skills or not.. Even practicing RTS games (or FPS's / fighters) do not mean you will become an expert.

Enter WoW, and MMORPG that was suppose to not only need 1on1 PvP skill but skills of generals to direct large raids of skilled lclass troops to take out the other NPC and RL people.

WoW is lacking is everything Warcraft is about. To have L33T SkILLZ is WoW all you need to do is read Gamefaqs on your class and practice a few button presses as which point the "Skill" is your roll. WoW is fun because the story of the quests push you to 60 fast and is well written.. That makes a great RPG but NOT a $15 a month MMORPG. So far every WoW *WAR!* battle has been "GET EM!!! ARRRRRR!!!" No generals, no captains, no problems if you get killed.

Imagine the LOTR big battles without the skilled suicide bomber or catapults. Would those battles have lasted if 4 or 5 people had AMAZING skills that were extremely specialized? Who would want to see that movie? That is WoW's future. No battering ram needed.. get all the Horde together and "GET EM!" You die and have to pay 2 silver to fix the %50 damage on equipment and just go back to making insta cast stackable 3000HP click potions.



It sounds like your gripes of WoW stem from the lack of severe punishment that most MMOs dish out. Hey, if you're a masochist, enjoy the experience, but I prefer a game I can play at a reasonable pace without decimating my character for taking a death (read: FFXI). However, you do not go unpunished; you take a durability hit which equates to a monetary loss when you have to repair it. Minor enough not to distract from playing, but significant enough for you to avoid death (at least at low - midish levels). Exactly how I want it.

Then you are a person who likes to run around a virtual world to chat. Wait.. look around.. It's called forums and the internet for free.

[Promophile]

Anyone that thinks EQ doesn't involve skill (yes skill not "skill", you actually need to be GOOD, like in a FPS) hasn't played the end game. I was in the best guild on my server, which had over 60 people online for raids. In EQ you NEED 60 people online to kill high level stuff, and you need to know what the hell your doing. Cheal chains, Gap heals, ect for the healers and you need to know how to control your aggro.

[SoulBlazer]

Well, whatever it was, it's gone from EB's website.

[FantasiaWHT]

Yeah what was it?

Our EB hasn't had a copy of WoW in for about 3+ weeks.

We get almost as many people asking for WoW as we do asking for PS2s. I know several of these people would pay up the butt for a copy.

If the demand is so high and the supply so low that people are able to sell them at a higher price in another market (ebay) why should retailers sit on the old price? That makes no sense.

[soniko_karuto]

Yeah what was it?

Our EB hasn't had a copy of WoW in for about 3+ weeks.

We get almost as many people asking for WoW as we do asking for PS2s. I know several of these people would pay up the butt for a copy.

If the demand is so high and the supply so low that people are able to sell them at a higher price in another market (ebay) why should retailers sit on the old price? That makes no sense.

because there is something called competence, example, you get 5 copies tomorrow, you have to profit from them, so you stock them up to 79.99.

What you did not notice was that the other game store in the front, has the same game for 39.99.

Soooo, would you rather prefer and wait a couple of weeks, or cash in with the double and also have to pay a monthly fee?


Also, i think this games should be in the same kinda track that ragnarok is, you download the game (for free) and you just pay the service. I think it's phucking crazy to shell out 50 a pop and 15 a month. Let's say you play for about 4 monts, that's 100 bucks mister. Wich you will never get back.

[Promophile]

Yeah what was it?

Our EB hasn't had a copy of WoW in for about 3+ weeks.

We get almost as many people asking for WoW as we do asking for PS2s. I know several of these people would pay up the butt for a copy.

If the demand is so high and the supply so low that people are able to sell them at a higher price in another market (ebay) why should retailers sit on the old price? That makes no sense.

because there is something called competence, example, you get 5 copies tomorrow, you have to profit from them, so you stock them up to 79.99.

What you did not notice was that the other game store in the front, has the same game for 39.99.

Soooo, would you rather prefer and wait a couple of weeks, or cash in with the double and also have to pay a monthly fee?


Also, i think this games should be in the same kinda track that ragnarok is, you download the game (for free) and you just pay the service. I think it's phucking crazy to shell out 50 a pop and 15 a month. Let's say you play for about 4 monts, that's 100 bucks mister. Wich you will never get back.

Some people may like that, but I'm a HUGE anti pay-per-data person. In others words, If I'm going to be playing a game, I want to have packaging and be able to hold it in my hands. If a game is download only I will NOT buy it.

[NE146]

I thought this was going to be about Wizard of Wor O_O

[Gemini-Phoenix]

Same for Blinx II on Xbox - It has a SRP of only £24.99 (Which most shops sell it for - Or less), but stores like Virgin are trying to sell it for the full £39.99!


How do some shops even sell games at that kind of price anyway? Don't people use their heads and shop around?

[Gemini-Phoenix]

Same for Blinx II on Xbox - It has a SRP of only £24.99 (Which most shops sell it for - Or less), but stores like Virgin are trying to sell it for the full £39.99!


How do some shops even sell games at that kind of price anyway? Don't people use their heads and shop around?

[Raedon]

Same for Blinx II on Xbox - It has a SRP of only £24.99 (Which most shops sell it for - Or less), but stores like Virgin are trying to sell it for the full £39.99!


How do some shops even sell games at that kind of price anyway? Don't people use their heads and shop around?



I was at Gamestop last week and watched a guy pay around 15 bucks for SMB3.. The $$ market looks for the guy who says, "A HUGE SUV like an H2.. and give me SMB/DH for $3!!!"

[Raedon]

Same for Blinx II on Xbox - It has a SRP of only £24.99 (Which most shops sell it for - Or less), but stores like Virgin are trying to sell it for the full £39.99!


How do some shops even sell games at that kind of price anyway? Don't people use their heads and shop around?



I was at Gamestop last week and watched a guy pay around 15 bucks for SMB3.. The $$ market looks for the guy who says, "A HUGE SUV like an H2.. and give me SMB/DH for $3!!!"

[FantasiaWHT]

How do some shops even sell games at that kind of price anyway? Don't people use their heads and shop around?

THankfully for the retail business, NO! :-D

There's lots of savvy shoppers out there, but for every one of them there's 4 or 5 who think shopping around is a hassle.

I'm an honest salesman though. If somebody doesn't like our offer for a trade-in, I tell them the truth- If you go on ebay, you can definitely make more money, but it's more work and less assured. Sure, you could get more money from Blockbuster, but it's only store credit and their prices on used games *GENERALLY* are higher.

[FantasiaWHT]

How do some shops even sell games at that kind of price anyway? Don't people use their heads and shop around?

THankfully for the retail business, NO! :-D

There's lots of savvy shoppers out there, but for every one of them there's 4 or 5 who think shopping around is a hassle.

I'm an honest salesman though. If somebody doesn't like our offer for a trade-in, I tell them the truth- If you go on ebay, you can definitely make more money, but it's more work and less assured. Sure, you could get more money from Blockbuster, but it's only store credit and their prices on used games *GENERALLY* are higher.

[Sph1nx]

[quote="blissfulnoise
....is like comparing an apple to on Orangutan. .[/quote]

Im using that quote from now on.
:D

[Sph1nx]

[quote="blissfulnoise
....is like comparing an apple to on Orangutan. .[/quote]

Im using that quote from now on.
:D

[sirgeoph]

Same for Blinx II on Xbox - It has a SRP of only £24.99 (Which most shops sell it for - Or less), but stores like Virgin are trying to sell it for the full £39.99!


How do some shops even sell games at that kind of price anyway? Don't people use their heads and shop around?



I was at Gamestop last week and watched a guy pay around 15 bucks for SMB3.. The $$ market looks for the guy who says, "A HUGE SUV like an H2.. and give me SMB/DH for $3!!!"

we sell smb3 for 10.95 and can't keep them on the shelves... we're probably going to move the price closer to 15 and i know they'll sell... aparently our customers are freaks for smb3 and smb2.

[sirgeoph]

Same for Blinx II on Xbox - It has a SRP of only £24.99 (Which most shops sell it for - Or less), but stores like Virgin are trying to sell it for the full £39.99!


How do some shops even sell games at that kind of price anyway? Don't people use their heads and shop around?



I was at Gamestop last week and watched a guy pay around 15 bucks for SMB3.. The $$ market looks for the guy who says, "A HUGE SUV like an H2.. and give me SMB/DH for $3!!!"

we sell smb3 for 10.95 and can't keep them on the shelves... we're probably going to move the price closer to 15 and i know they'll sell... aparently our customers are freaks for smb3 and smb2.

[blissfulnoise]

LOL (Raedon).

First, I'm not going to requote you, requoting me. Posts become too long.

No, I have a real job that requires real hours to dedicate out of my life. I don't have time to spend 8 hours on play sessions 7 days a week in order to "enjoy" the game. I do, however, really like the basic ideas behind all (most) MMOs. Communities, shared goals, questing/loot gathering, etc. But I need to be able to effectively do those things with the time I can give to the game.

I've played a lot of MMOs. And none to the uber-high levels. This doesn't mean that I've enjoyed them less than you because I didn't make it all the way up the mountain.

I've played (in this order): UO, AC, AO, AC (again), AC2 (beta), EQ, SWG, CoH, and WoW.

Certain games, therefore, don't necessarily appeal to me. Games like EQ and AO which are grind fests. I don't want to spend those 8 hours a night killing the same 3 mobs in the same zone only taking breaks to sell off my loot at the closest friendly town and pee.

WoW offers any number of diversions at any given level. At any point in the game, you have at least 3 different zones you can travel to in order to effectively get XP/loot not even including instances. Combine this with the questing system, and the game is not a chore to play.

If I'm paying $15 dollars a month, I want to enjoy it. I didn't enjoy EQ. Sorry to those of you that did, and as I understand it, there were quite a few of you.

But to go back, I still say that comparing WoW to Warcraft III is, well, dumb. They're not the same game. They're not even remotely similar from a play perspective. You want to compare EQ to Champions of Norrath? When Battlefields are released on the server, we may have some real element to compare between the two games.

And to your comment, about "ARRRGGHH" (or whatever, I assume you're referring to what has been affectionately dubbed "Zerging"). It's obvious YOU haven't played to high level in WoW. You try that crap in raid group instances (or even regular instances) and see how you do.

Feel free to read this: http://www.worldofwar.net/guides/instances.php

[blissfulnoise]

LOL (Raedon).

First, I'm not going to requote you, requoting me. Posts become too long.

No, I have a real job that requires real hours to dedicate out of my life. I don't have time to spend 8 hours on play sessions 7 days a week in order to "enjoy" the game. I do, however, really like the basic ideas behind all (most) MMOs. Communities, shared goals, questing/loot gathering, etc. But I need to be able to effectively do those things with the time I can give to the game.

I've played a lot of MMOs. And none to the uber-high levels. This doesn't mean that I've enjoyed them less than you because I didn't make it all the way up the mountain.

I've played (in this order): UO, AC, AO, AC (again), AC2 (beta), EQ, SWG, CoH, and WoW.

Certain games, therefore, don't necessarily appeal to me. Games like EQ and AO which are grind fests. I don't want to spend those 8 hours a night killing the same 3 mobs in the same zone only taking breaks to sell off my loot at the closest friendly town and pee.

WoW offers any number of diversions at any given level. At any point in the game, you have at least 3 different zones you can travel to in order to effectively get XP/loot not even including instances. Combine this with the questing system, and the game is not a chore to play.

If I'm paying $15 dollars a month, I want to enjoy it. I didn't enjoy EQ. Sorry to those of you that did, and as I understand it, there were quite a few of you.

But to go back, I still say that comparing WoW to Warcraft III is, well, dumb. They're not the same game. They're not even remotely similar from a play perspective. You want to compare EQ to Champions of Norrath? When Battlefields are released on the server, we may have some real element to compare between the two games.

And to your comment, about "ARRRGGHH" (or whatever, I assume you're referring to what has been affectionately dubbed "Zerging"). It's obvious YOU haven't played to high level in WoW. You try that crap in raid group instances (or even regular instances) and see how you do.

Feel free to read this: http://www.worldofwar.net/guides/instances.php

[brykasch]

Raedon> Sometimes I wonder if you are even playing the same game I am. Level 60 in one month? Yeah if you play 24/7 and know where everything is at, and how to get it (ie played in full closed beta). Its almost two months since released and we are just now starting to see people really hit 60. and 65$ (Game and 2nd month) for a game is well worth it even if I gave up after level 60, especially for how much i have played it. It sounds to me like you are big on pvp, not so much pve.

But let me ask you this, have you done instances in scarlet monestary? uldaman? Thos aren't just rush in and kill everything, you do that and you are dead. and In some areas, the graveyard, is on the opposite side of the region, and when you get to the start of the instance to get your body you find everything has respawned and you have to slog through it again. So yes there is skill to it. Yeah alot of the smaller quests you can just rush in and just lay waste, my 75% of the game doesn't involve that, specially when you reach end game. Mind you no one has killed Onyxia yet. If everything was so easy, then surely she would be dead by now:)

Warcraft (the rts) is a challange, but really play it enough against people, and you learn strategies to defeat most people.

EQ ain't my thing, but I am not a EQ basher either, to each their own.

[brykasch]

Raedon> Sometimes I wonder if you are even playing the same game I am. Level 60 in one month? Yeah if you play 24/7 and know where everything is at, and how to get it (ie played in full closed beta). Its almost two months since released and we are just now starting to see people really hit 60. and 65$ (Game and 2nd month) for a game is well worth it even if I gave up after level 60, especially for how much i have played it. It sounds to me like you are big on pvp, not so much pve.

But let me ask you this, have you done instances in scarlet monestary? uldaman? Thos aren't just rush in and kill everything, you do that and you are dead. and In some areas, the graveyard, is on the opposite side of the region, and when you get to the start of the instance to get your body you find everything has respawned and you have to slog through it again. So yes there is skill to it. Yeah alot of the smaller quests you can just rush in and just lay waste, my 75% of the game doesn't involve that, specially when you reach end game. Mind you no one has killed Onyxia yet. If everything was so easy, then surely she would be dead by now:)

Warcraft (the rts) is a challange, but really play it enough against people, and you learn strategies to defeat most people.

EQ ain't my thing, but I am not a EQ basher either, to each their own.

[Raedon]

The first day I played a rogue I went from 1 to 18.. I just get agro and proc crits. I could solo 3 mobs 4 levels higher then me at the same time at 40.. I make potions so I don't need a healer class.. The best loot in the game is only 4 or 5 gold right now. You just hit the auction house every 2 levels.

I learned early on that you don't bother with the quests unless you just happen to finish one by accident or they are BIG quests or needed for the class. With a Rogue anyway, The priest I had was so lame I dumped him.

If I played a mage or any other class I might think it was more challanging.

[brykasch]

See with your posts, you make youself sound worse and worse. Yeah best stuff for your level bay be 4-5 G. But the best stuff runs from 100-250G. Until you play the game more you really have no basis in your arguments.

[Raedon]

See with your posts, you make youself sound worse and worse. Yeah best stuff for your level bay be 4-5 G. But the best stuff runs from 100-250G. Until you play the game more you really have no basis in your arguments.

No, I just got tired of explaining every little thing. check the autions.. rarely will you see "the best stuff" for level 30 up.

The game drops loot like Diablo II, I haven't had to buy anything for my rogue in a while. Like 3 days or something. Play arogue, you could solo to 60 with a butter knife and a loin cloth as long as you are good a herbalism and alchemy.

The game is FUN damnit, but it isn't balanced and it isn't worth $15 for a year of play time unless they finish some stuff..

I mean they have empty zones that are guarded atm and getting into those areas will get you banned. What is the fun in a game where you find a way to do the impossible but get banned for doing so.

Have you been reading the WoW boards?