Neo Geo question

[jajaja]

Is there such thing as PAL/NTSC region on NEO GEO AES systems?
If i buy a AES system from asia or usa, and games from europe or vice versa, will it work?
Or do i have to to buy a PAL AES system?

[Ed Oscuro]

I suppose the Japanese NG should work here in the states, but yeah, there's different regions - every game has all the regional data programmed right in so it'll play differently on different region systems. If you want the games to play like they did in US arcades, get a US system (Euro shouldn't be too different). Now, unless you're going for an RGB monitor and can SCART -> RGB, you probably don't want a PAL system. Different voltages as well, that might be a problem.

[jajaja]

Hehe ok thanks for the answer :)
Is there anyway to find out if the game is PAL or NTSC? Can i find this on the cartridge?

[Ed Oscuro]

The cart itself isn't PAL or NTSC, only the console is.

US releases usually are called "Dog Tag" releases because many have a snarling doggie on the side. Japanese ones are pretty easy to spot, what with the Japanese text on the front. European releases usually look like American stuff, just no Dog Tag. You can play any region game on any system.

As folks often say...blood 'n bouncy - go with modded or a Japanese one. (I sort of think excessive blood in fighters is dumb, but I miss bouncy!)

[Damion]

or you can always mod a US with The Debug Bios Chip (http://www.neostore.com/detail.asp?ProductID=663) I know I've going to be doing that to mine very soon.

[omnedon]

Debug is crap.

Go with the Universe BIOS. It does everything debug does, and a few hundred other things too. LOL

http://unibios.free.fr/

[Damion]

LOL Thank you, for some reason I thought that was the uni Bios @_@

silly me :roll:

[jajaja]

What function(s) do you achive/unlock when you mod it?
If it doesnt matter where in th world you buy the games, neo-geo is universal isnt it?

[max 330 mega]

you achieve, secret playable characters, MVS mode, english language, japanese language, toggle the edited blood and fatalities, etc... believe me its worth it, im about to upgrade my chip again soon, i currently have the debug, but the unibios blows it away.

[Ed Oscuro]

Plus you'd need the newest (well, post-SSV) version of the Uni BIOS to get access to stuff in the game - or perhaps to get the game to play at all; I'm not sure. That game has issues with other BIOSes.

[omnedon]

Uni BIOS , all versions since 1.3, work with all games. Uni 2.0 unlocks the censored fatalities (and fixes sound bugs) from the original AES release of SSVS.

The uni BIOS is compatible with anything, and should only be installed in a socket. That way you can upgrade it easily later, as newer versions are released.

[max 330 mega]

Uni BIOS , all versions since 1.3, work with all games. Uni 2.0 unlocks the censored fatalities (and fixes sound bugs) from the original AES release of SSVS.

The uni BIOS is compatible with anything, and should only be installed in a socket. That way you can upgrade it easily later, as newer versions are released.
when they say socketed installation, what does that mean??? does it mean, that once done its very simple for someone like me to upgrade it myself??

[Geddon_jt]

Uni BIOS , all versions since 1.3, work with all games. Uni 2.0 unlocks the censored fatalities (and fixes sound bugs) from the original AES release of SSVS.

The uni BIOS is compatible with anything, and should only be installed in a socket. That way you can upgrade it easily later, as newer versions are released.
when they say socketed installation, what does that mean??? does it mean, that once done its very simple for someone like me to upgrade it myself??

You need an EPROM burner, but having a socketed UniBIOS means you can just pop it into a burner and burn the newer revision without having to do any soldering.

[jajaja]

Is AES and MVS the same thing? If not, what are the diffrent?

[robotriot]

AES is the home console, MVS the arcade version. You can't play MVS games on the AES without a converter. The MVS games are cheaper, but they don't come with the nice boxes the AES games have.

[max 330 mega]

also note, main advantage of MVS play = unlimited continues, main disadvantage = no practice or extra modes of gameplay, main advantage of unibios is that with it , it doesnt matter because you can do it all with the same cartridge, in the same system.

[jajaja]

Ok :)
What is the most comming thing sold, AES or MVS? How can i tell the diffrent?

[max 330 mega]

are you talking system wise, or cartridge wise??
do us all a favor, and would you please just bother to educate yourself on this ??? go find a FAQ on google about the comparisons of the different aspects of neo collecting.
whatever you do, dont join neo-geo.com asking for help, they will tear you a new one if you ask these sort of questions.

[jajaja]

are you talking system wise, or cartridge wise??
do us all a favor, and would you please just bother to educate yourself on this ??? go find a FAQ on google about the comparisons of the different aspects of neo collecting.
whatever you do, dont join neo-geo.com asking for help, they will tear you a new one if you ask these sort of questions.

I guess this answer means that you dont know.
Why do you even bother to answer if you dont want to help or dont know?
Thanks for the help so far tho ;P

[omnedon]

You don't need an eeprom burner for the Uni BIOS. If you actually buy the chip from Raz, or get a Raz progged chip from a remmended installer (like me) Raz will upgrade your chip for free or $5, I can't remember which.

The socket allows you to put a replacement for it in yourself, and you never need a modder again. If it's put in the *easy* way, piggybacked, you need to send it to a modder AGAIN, to upgrade your BIOS.

Many of the older, Debug modded AES's floating around have the chips piggybacked, so you can't upgrade without sending it to an installer. You need it done by an installer who does it right the first time. In a socket. which is much more difficult to do, but some installers do the extra work, to make sure your baby is done right. 8-)

These are REALLY noob questions, about MVS and AES for example.

This is required reading if you want to learn:
http://www.neo-geo.com/reviews/NeoGlossary/neoglossary.htm

[Ed Oscuro]

These are REALLY noob questions, about MVS and AES for example.

This is required reading if you want to learn:
http://www.neo-geo.com/reviews/NeoGlossary/neoglossary.htm
Agreed, go there first.

[jajaja]

These are REALLY noob questions, about MVS and AES for example.

This is required reading if you want to learn:
http://www.neo-geo.com/reviews/NeoGlossary/neoglossary.htm

Ok, and what is the problem? I am a newbie on Neo Geo, why do you think i ask? ;P If i knew the answers i wouldnt have asked.
But tnx for the link ;P

[max 330 mega]

there isnt a problem, we are lazy and dont feel like holding your hand and walking you through every step there is to understanding the neo, do it yourself. you are on a computer, you are on the internet, the internet is full of nice information to teach you. so look for it.

[omnedon]

No problem here. I'm trying to be helpful, and state facts as I understand them. I stand by my noob observation. the most basic thing about the Neo, are the two formats, the AES (home) and MVS (arcade), and the HUGE differences in collecting for one or both.

Metal Slug 1 AES- ~$2400USD

Metal Slug 1 MVS- ~$70USD

Does that illustrate it well enough? max 330mega could not answer your question because the question did not make sense.

Read the link, and you will be able to ask questions that will get you answers.

[jajaja]

No problem here. I'm trying to be helpful, and state facts as I understand them. I stand by my noob observation. the most basic thing about the Neo, are the two formats, the AES (home) and MVS (arcade), and the HUGE differences in collecting for one or both.

Metal Slug 1 AES- ~$2400USD

Metal Slug 1 MVS- ~$70USD

Does that illustrate it well enough? max 330mega could not answer your question because the question did not make sense.

Read the link, and you will be able to ask questions that will get you answers.

Haha.. damn :) Yes that acctualy illustrate it alot.
I thought my question was clear, but we all understand the things diffrently.
Thanks for all the help and the friendly tone :) I've recived some negative "feedback" here on my posts just for saying my opinion sometimes. Would be better if more where friendly like you.

[Ed Oscuro]

Roffles. Also, what gamed did you have in mind for that AES figure, Omnedon? I've got a nice little AES collection going myself and I haven't nearly reached that point - wouldn't either even adding the Last Blade games and the new Samurai Shodown games, and I could easily fit either Kizuna Encounter (JP of course) or Ninja Master's without hitting that mark...probably even with both. Meaning I can flesh out many of the old classics and pick up Metal Slug 3 and stay well below that mark.

[omnedon]

Well, I have a Phantom -1 that works flawlessly, so I buy both MVS and AES.

I'm not sure I understand the question. I *believe* MS1 goes for that amount as a matter of course, and is the most valuable in the MS series. I own MS3 and MS5 for AES, and have games like MS1, MSX, last Blade, Garou MOTW on MVS, and play through the Phantom.

[Ed Oscuro]

Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't read what you wrote correctly. xD

In any case, the AES isn't necessarily a huge money sink if you stick to early games (including Samurai Shodown 1 & 2, these aren't too terribly expensive). If you're happy with so-so condition games you can probably get most of the good titles cheap. It's the amount you gotta put down starting out for a good Supergun to go MVS that kills me, or even a Phantom-1 for that matter - if I'm paying that much I want it to be 100% official, Phantom-1 ain't bad but I'm not a fan of paying that much for unofficial stuff. That's just (admittedly a quirky) personal preference, folks should be able to decide for themselves whether they want to 'keep it real' or be economical.

[Damion]

Ok where can I get a MVS MS1 for that price? for that matter wheres the cheapest place to get a phantom converter? the cheapest I've found it for is like 250 (for the phantom) and I've seen diffrent MS's (MVS) go anywhere between 150-500.

I'll love you for life if you can hook me up ;)

for newbes AES Will (At least in most cases) always be More.

[omnedon]

$250USD is normal for a phantom-1. My MVS copy of Metal Slug was bought for $60CDN, from a local dealer/friend. It's loose, no kit, serials marked off. I don't have a cab, so who cares about kits?

Complete kits go for more. The best way to get MVS carts is through foorum deals here or at neo-geo.com. Collector to collector the prices are as reasonable as it gets. Ebay is bootleg central, and many boots will not work in a Phantom-1.

[Damion]

yeah E-bay is mostly where I've been looking (Other then the NeoGeo.com store and Japangames.com) I've only seen phantom-1 being sold but out of stock or through unfamiler forum links in a google check.

is/was there anywhere you go online to pick up your phantom?

[Ed Oscuro]

Point well taken; still going to remind everybody that sometimes you can get a slick, complete AES game for as much as a loose MVS cart with the early releases - i.e. Samurai Shodown[/continuedplug], so it's always good to take a look at your options. If you've got an AES, and can get a game as MVS or AES for the same price, go with AES.

[Damion]

Thats how I got SS-2, Art of fighting-2, Ghost pilots, Blues/rayguy, nam-1975 those are all AES and I got them for somewhere close to two hundred All together.

I want to get Sengoku 1-3 and as much of the MS Series as I can. As long as MVS can still fit in a shock box I'll be a happy camper. from all the research I've done the games (software wise) are one and the same. The hardware is the only thing different.

[Ed Oscuro]

Thats how I got SS-2, Art of fighting-2, Ghost pilots, Blues/rayguy, nam-1975 those are all AES and I got them for somewhere close to two hundred All together.
Could you break down the prices for me? Prices I've been able to score import copies for were not bad: SS-2 and AoF-2 should go $30 and $40+, respectively. Nam-1975 is cheap. Perhaps Ghost Pilots and this Blues/rayguy (for whatever reason I can't think of what this is) was more expensive?

Sengoku games...the first two (quality games) are cheap, the third, Sengoku 2001, isn't so cheap and I also don't think it's nearly as good. Character graphics feel like a KoF game but the stages I've played through are bland and empty (I stopped at...uh, Italy, I think it was).

[Damion]

Sure give me a sec :) (post point saver)

ok each of these are a link to where I bought them and The corrisponding review below it.

Blue's Journey (NOS) (http://www.neostore.com/detail.asp?ProductID=1072) paid 33.00 USD

Review (http://www.neogeoforlife.com/reviews/blues_journey.shtml)

Ghost Pilots (NOS) (http://www.neostore.com/detail.asp?ProductID=1066) I paid 35 USD but since then there sale has ended and is now 44 USD

Review (http://www.neogeoforlife.com/reviews/ghost_pilots.shtml)

NAM-1975 (NOS, marked) (http://www.neostore.com/detail.asp?ProductID=1070) I paid 22 USD it's now 25 USD

Review (http://www.neogeoforlife.com/reviews/nam_1975.shtml)

Art of Fighting 2 JP AES (http://www.japangamesnow.com/product_info.php?cPath=98&products_id=357) I paid 17.99 USD now 22.99 USD

Revieiw (http://www.neogeoforlife.com/reviews/art_of_fighting_2.shtml)

Samurai Spirits 2 JP AES (http://www.japangamesnow.com/product_info.php?cPath=98&products_id=11) Paid 39.99

Do you need a review? (http://www.neogeoforlife.com/reviews/samurai_shodown_2.shtml)

Plus thirty bucks for shipping the total comes to 177.98 (I was close) At least for me it did.

[Damion]

bump for EDIT in above post^ (might as well have made it a new post) :roll:

[Ed Oscuro]

I'm no good at adding, apparently LOL Yeah, not too bad.

[omnedon]

Lotta good games cheap.

I don't consider the Phantom any more a part of my collection, than I consider a 3rd party AC adapter.

A 3rd party AC adapter is a tool that lets you do something you want to do with the original hardware. So is a Phantom. It's pricey, but playing Metal Slug alone covers the savings. After that, playing Garou, Metal Slug 2, Metal Slug X,, and Last Blade, all on the cheap are gravy. 8-)

[Nomeaz1]

The AES is a money pit plain and simple. I do not want to even begin to think of how much I have spent, and I only have 23 games. I don't know why, but I could never bring myself to go the Phantom1/MVS route (it would have been so much cheaper). I just had to have those Japanese AES carts...sigh...

[Ed Oscuro]

Those 23 games take up much more space than other games do though! :P