Capcom struggles to port RE4 to PS2

[sabre2922]

According to the company, the PlayStation 2 is the source of some technological issues in porting Capcom's masterpiece.

In the latest issue of the Japanese magazine CG World, Capcom spoke out on the GameCube-to-PlayStation 2 port of its popular Resident Evil 4 title. According to CG World, Capcom has run into some technological problems while trying to adapt RE4 to the PlayStation 2 architecture.

One of the most problematic issues in porting the title has come down to memory size. The GameCube features primarily 24 bits of memory, whereas PlayStation 2 only produces 4 to 8 bits of memory.

Further, Capcom blames Sony’s hardware yet again when dealing with polygons. The GameCube version of Resident Evil 4’s main star, Leon S. Kennedy, pushes approximately 10,000 polygons, while the PlayStation 2 version currently renders 5,000. Capcom went on to say that the character model of Snake from Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater on PlayStation 2 features 4,000 polygons, and that that was roughly the same amount of polygons that its villagers (which RE4 often features handfuls of on the screen simultaneously) are made up of.

That said, Capcom said that the PlayStation 2 does have at least one aspect to its hardware that could come in helpfully: the ability to make use of more textures at a time. Still, the publisher said that there must be a balance between the number of textures and the quality of them.

Currently, the PlayStation 2 version of Resident Evil 4 is scheduled to release sometime in late 2005, presumably as a holiday title for Sony’s console. Meanwhile, the GameCube incarnation has been on retail shelves since January 11, 2005.

http://gc.advancedmn.com/article.php?artid=4247

[davidbrit2]

The GameCube features primarily 24 bits of memory, whereas PlayStation 2 only produces 4 to 8 bits of memory.

Hmm, I'd say that's just about the most nonsensical thing I've read in a while.

[kainemaxwell]

Doesn't surprise me too much. I think most companies have had issues with the PS2's hardware for ports at one point or another.

[EnemyZero]

silly playstation 2....

[slip81]

Good, it will probably look like ass compaired to the GC version then, maybe more people will go for the GC and keep the system alive.

[GobopopRevisited]

Or maybe Capcom will realise that they shouldn't spend *waste* the time or money on porting RE4, and stop. Then hurry up and finish Killer 7 and port Okami to the GameCube!

[Jive3D]

Great news for Nintendo Fanboys, capcom lovers and "I-told-ya-so"s alike.

I think that it's nice that in the end, Capcom didn't want to ostracize PS2 gamers (not everyone can afford to just go out and buy a cube for the sake of one game, not matter how cheap the thing is now.) BUT, I have no sympathy - it was supposed to be an exclusive game and this situation is pretty much like going back on your word - so give em hell RE4, you were meant for the cube (c'mon the cube needs all the help it can get).

[mr_nihilism]

I think that it's nice that in the end, Capcom didn't want to ostracize PS2 gamers (not everyone can afford to just go out and buy a cube for the sake of one game, not matter how cheap the thing is now.) BUT, I have no sympathy - it was supposed to be an exclusive game and this situation is pretty much like going back on your word - so give em hell RE4, you were meant for the cube (c'mon the cube needs all the help it can get).

I agree entirely despite not having a Cube. Now I have further excuse to finally pick one up. Besides RE4, I've always wanted to try Ikaruga and Double Dash.

[stevec1636]

Good i hope it never comes out for PS2!!! maybe some of these closed minded people will buy a gamecube now. Dam i am tired of people putting down the cube.

[BigGeorgeJohnson]

This is coming from a fanboy site which is using a french fanboy site as it's source.

I think this quote tells us how reliable or credible the source is.

"The GameCube features primarily 24 bits of memory, whereas PlayStation 2 only produces 4 to 8 bits of memory."

The Gamecube has 24 Mb's of Ram and 16 Mb's of VRAM, the PS2 has 32 Mb's and 4 mb's respectively.

I guess the PS2's VRAM can be boosted to "4 to 8 bits" when they need too x_x

With that said, I think everyone knows the Gamecube version will look better that it's PS2 cousin, but the fanboy's are the only ones who care.

I would rather Capcom release it on PS2 and sell a couple million copies and stay in business.

[autobotracing]

RE4 is one of the reasons I am buying a cube again when I get $ .


SO thats going to be months down the road . 8-)

[WanganRunner]

I would rather Capcom release it on PS2 and sell a couple million copies and stay in business.

Are they in financial trouble? It's not like Acclaim or anything, Capcom puts out no shortage of quality material.

[NintendoMan]

Interesting article.

[ddockery]

Porting a title like this to a console with a huge user base like the PS2 is like printing money. If they didn't make the obvious choices like this, they would be in financial trouble for sure.

[Mayhem]

"The GameCube features primarily 24 bits of memory, whereas PlayStation 2 only produces 4 to 8 bits of memory."

They're talking about texture quality here. Whilst the PS2 can shift more information about, the actual texture sizing pales into comparison with the Cube. Hence expect lower quality textures being mapped in the PS2 version.


Porting a title like this to a console with a huge user base like the PS2 is like printing money. If they didn't make the obvious choices like this, they would be in financial trouble for sure.

Which of course explains why both Viewtiful Joe games have sold more copies on the Cube than the PS2...

[suznjak]

still dont see why they wont do it for the xbox.it seems like capcom doesnt like that system. :(

[xaer0knight]

Or maybe Capcom will realise that they shouldn't spend *waste* the time or money on porting RE4, and stop. Then hurry up and finish Killer 7 and port Okami to the GameCube!

Okami, awesome game. I doubt American "casual" gamers will enjoy that game :hmm: . For one i would love to play Okami, i've been keeping up with the title, it is still TBA for PS2 and no word of it coming to the cube :/


still dont see why they wont do it for the xbox.it seems like capcom doesnt like that system.

Capcom has put a few great game for the XBOX. Like Capcom vs SNK 2, its the best port, IMO. I hated the Cube Version because of the controller. The XBOX and DC pads are the best for 2-D fighters.

And I'm also sick of people bashing the little Purple Cube.

[ddockery]

Which of course explains why both Viewtiful Joe games have sold more copies on the Cube than the PS2...

You can't seriously be comparing a title like Viewtiful Joe to RE4. Viewtiful Joe is a fun game for sure, but there weren't thousands of people waiting to play a game that is essentially a cartoon. Most people that like games like this will have a Cube. RE4 could very well sell more copies on the Cube, but will easily sell enough on the PS2 to make porting it a no brainer.

[suznjak]

hey i dont hate the cube,i just dont like the fact that game companies skip out on porting some games on it(gta).as for the xbox,i wish they would put more than just 2d fighters on it.i would love to se an original resident evil on it using the xbox hardware.hell i'll take a port of 4.

[tonyvortex]

does anyone actuelly know if code veronica sold well on ps2 once it was ported?

[Arcturius]

still dont see why they wont do it for the xbox.it seems like capcom doesnt like that system. :(

They obviously must like the XBox three words prove that "Steel Battalion Controller" nuff said.

[BigGeorgeJohnson]

I would rather Capcom release it on PS2 and sell a couple million copies and stay in business.

Are they in financial trouble? It's not like Acclaim or anything, Capcom puts out no shortage of quality material.


Not that I'm aware of, but they would have been shooting themselves in the foot by not porting it to the PS2.



"The GameCube features primarily 24 bits of memory, whereas PlayStation 2 only produces 4 to 8 bits of memory."

They're talking about texture quality here. Whilst the PS2 can shift more information about, the actual texture sizing pales into comparison with the Cube. Hence expect lower quality textures being mapped in the PS2 version.


I thought the PS2 had superior texture mapping capabilities?

I could be wrong.

[goatdan]

I would rather Capcom release it on PS2 and sell a couple million copies and stay in business.

Are they in financial trouble? It's not like Acclaim or anything, Capcom puts out no shortage of quality material.

Not that I'm aware of, but they would have been shooting themselves in the foot by not porting it to the PS2.

It all depends on how the contract is made out for the title. Like someone else already pointed out, both Viewtiful Joes have sold better for the Cube then for the PS2. And while some people state those games are "cartoony" and "kiddie," it was a game that, in my opinion, appealed more to hardcore gamers.

If Nintendo was going to give them a much better deal to keep it exclusive and it doesn't sell that well on another platform, then it might be dumber for them from a cash sense to port it.

Personally, I think that the series will do better on the GameCube than on the PS2. The GameCube had the re-release of RE1, so if you are a big fan of the series you probably already have a GameCube. And, as others have pointed out, if this is even half true all non-hardcore gamers do tend to pay more attention to graphics... and if they see that the GC version is much better looking, then it would follow that they would purchase the GC version.

[MegaDrive20XX]

silly playstation 2....

RE is for Cube! :D

[BigGeorgeJohnson]

It all depends on how the contract is made out for the title. Like someone else already pointed out, both Viewtiful Joes have sold better for the Cube then for the PS2. And while some people state those games are "cartoony" and "kiddie," it was a game that, in my opinion, appealed more to hardcore gamers.

If Nintendo was going to give them a much better deal to keep it exclusive and it doesn't sell that well on another platform, then it might be dumber for them from a cash sense to port it.

Personally, I think that the series will do better on the GameCube than on the PS2. The GameCube had the re-release of RE1, so if you are a big fan of the series you probably already have a GameCube. And, as others have pointed out, if this is even half true all non-hardcore gamers do tend to pay more attention to graphics... and if they see that the GC version is much better looking, then it would follow that they would purchase the GC version.

I don't really think Viewtiful Joe is a good comparison, as you said yourself it is more "hardcore" in my opinion RE4 is more mainstream. If RE4 released on PS2 this past holiday season, I think the sales would have been comparable to GTA: SA and Halo 2. I'm not sure how well the game is doing for Gamecube right now, but I've yet to see it at the top of any charts.

I don't know the specifics of the deal Capcom had with Nintendo, but I do know the remakes haven't sold well for Capcom especially in Japan, where the Cube is struggling. In fact I believe the Outbreak game on PS2 sold better. So I believe Capcom is doing what they have to do to stay in business, as I'm sure the production values for RE4 are sky high.

Only time will tell us which version is better, I expect the PS2 version will have online capabilities and probably some other added features.

[Jibbajaba]

I actually just bought my first game cube this weekend, and I am really impressed with the graphics. Up until this point I have been playing a PS2. I don't have RE4 but I have the demo disc, and it looks great. Better than anything the PS2 can do, IMHO. The Gamecube is so cheao now, especially used, and there are quite a few good titles, so I fail to understand why it isn't doing better.

Chris

[goatdan]

I don't really think Viewtiful Joe is a good comparison, as you said yourself it is more "hardcore" in my opinion RE4 is more mainstream. If RE4 released on PS2 this past holiday season, I think the sales would have been comparable to GTA: SA and Halo 2. I'm not sure how well the game is doing for Gamecube right now, but I've yet to see it at the top of any charts.

You haven't seen it top any charts yet because it hasn't even been out a month. It, unfortunately for Nintendo, was not released until after Christmas, so it couldn't sell extremely well during the holiday season.

We'll see how well it does over the next couple months. I know there is a lot of interest in it, but not nearly the amount of hype that Halo 2 or GTA: SA had. Had it been hyped like those, I think it would be comprable.

The Viewtiful Joe comparison though does raise one important point -- it isn't necessarily the size of the market that matters, it is who is in it. The question then becomes did enough hardcore RE fans purchase a GameCube because of the new RE games that Capcom announced, or did everyone hold off and wait to see what the game is like? I'd guess that at least a good chunk of the biggest RE fans already have the game for the Cube, as well as the remakes. That doesn't mean it won't sell decently on the PS2... but it may still sell more on the GameCube.

[hydr0x]

so I fail to understand why it isn't doing better.

Chris

just ask yourself why you did wait so long to buy one and why you did prefer a PS2 first, then you know why...

[abdul]

Capcom cannot decide to port a game to a hardware system, then rag on the system for being not powerful enough

[goatdan]

Capcom cannot decide to port a game to a hardware system, then rag on the system for being not powerful enough

Why not?

I really don't care, but it seems to me that if you make the decision to port something to another platform and it isn't powerful enough, that means you now know enough to be able to complain about it.

Maybe they just want the GC version to sell better...

[Aussie2B]

The sales for RE4 on PS2 (assuming it even comes out) will NOT make or break Capcom. I have no clue where all this "financial trouble" talk is coming from. Capcom is a strong company with a lot of big franchises that continue to rake in money over and over. I fail to see how anyone can get the idea that they're struggling. They could've not released RE4 at all and they'd STILL be doing fine. This isn't 3DO or Acclaim we're talking about here.

[Jibbajaba]

so I fail to understand why it isn't doing better.

Chris

just ask yourself why you did wait so long to buy one and why you did prefer a PS2 first, then you know why...

Heh. Good point.

Chris

[LinkNZ]

Booohooo people complain that they cant afford a GameCube for just one game so they're happy Capcom are porting RE4 to the PS2?

Where's my GameCube port of Devil May Cry 3? What if I couldn't afford more than GameCube???

:(

[kainemaxwell]

Maybe those without GC's have their reasons for it too. *shrug

[Jibbajaba]

Maybe those without GC's have their reasons for it too. *shrug

When the system first came out, I really wasn't that interested because I had a PS2 and I was buying a lot of games for it. I have grown steadily more interested in the GC the longer it has been out. With the price of a used system dropping to $59, and the release of some games that I want (RE4, Paper Mario, Mario Tennis aong others) I finally decided to pick one up. If I had known how much I would like the system, I would have picked one up earlier. I have grown bored with my PS2, and have basically been using it to play DVDs and Pinball Hall of Fame. I will never again buy a PS2 game that is also available for the GC, unless there is some obvious reason to do so. I think that more people would buy gamecubes if they knew what great gaming systems they are. They definitely have a stigma of being a kiddie system, but there are plenty of games available for it that arent kiddie, and I dont care if Mario is for kids, he's still my dog.

I dont care if they port RE4 over to the PS2, cuz it aint going to look as good. Im not sure what PS2 games I will be buying that have yet to come out, but GT4 is the only one I am even interested in.

Chris

[Gemini-Phoenix]

Doesn't surprise me too much. I think most companies have had issues with the PS2's hardware for ports at one point or another.

Prime example - Munch's Oddysee... Infamous for having switched from being a PS2 exclusive to being a Microsoft exclusive...

[Captain Wrong]

In honor of buttasuperb...


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[DynastyLawyer]

PS2 Hardware Sucks Ass! Film at 11!

[sabre2922]

after seeing the pix and movies of RE4 for PS2 what does everyone think now?

I also thought the article was a little flaky but it seems to me it cant be too far off after seeing the watered down graphics that are present on the PS2 port >so far< I do still have faith in Capcom because it is CAPCOM after all ;)

[zmweasel]

Prime example - Munch's Oddysee... Infamous for having switched from being a PS2 exclusive to being a Microsoft exclusive...

That particular example had to do with Oddworld's inexperience with 3D, and Microsoft's willingness to show Lorne Lanning the money in exchange for an Xbox-exclusive franchise. It's hardly an "infamous" case, as the game itself was a mediocrity, and as the franchise is pretty much DOA at this point. (Stranger's Wrath tanked, despite the marketing powers of EA behind it.)

-- Z.

[Ed Oscuro]

PS2 Hardware Sucks Ass! Film at 11!
NES disowns his great-grandson!

Yeah, I'm with the guy who said "where's my GC ports of PS2 games?" Duh, it's not gonna happen for the obvious reason of user base, but y'know - any anger over this issue can be partially directed at Nintendo as well. I'd say an XBox port of RE4 would make tons of sense given this franchise is RE and not...something else, but we've seen how Capcom uses this series as a bargaining chip. It's beyond me why they won't do it just to sell copies of the game, though...maybe that's for the future, who knows.

Capcom seems to sprinkle stuff around on the various platforms...there was the experiment of the Steel Battalion game, which doesn't prove Capcom thinks the XBox is a viable system as the whole idea behind the game was to let a developer learn hardware and create something interesting. I guess that was supposed to be a learning experience. The other two games for the XBox that come to my mind that Capcom has done are Capcom vs. SNK, which is pretty obviously a niche title and again doesn't prove much. Finally I can think of Dino Crisis 3, which isn't much of a gift no matter how shiny it looks. So that should take care of those three. Capcom treats the Xbox as an interesting experiment but not a viable platform, most of the time.

[NintendoMan]

Good, it will probably look like ass compaired to the GC version then, maybe more people will go for the GC and keep the system alive.

Now while I do hope the RE4 game turns out good for PS2 owners, I still to hope that the RE4 looks way better on the GC! Hopefully then alot more people that were waiting for the PS2 version will then want the GC version then.

At least then GC can get 1 third party game that better on that system, than another.

[theoakwoody]

I just want to say that I prefer Nintendo almost to the point of fanboyism but for some weird reason I'm rooting for a great port of RE4 for the PStwo. I mean if the PStwo version had come out first, then maybe I'd root hard for a superior gamecube game but I am not disillusioned into thinking that somehow if the gamecube version has better graphics that people will suddenly think,"What the hell have I been smoking for the last 5 years? That thar Intendar has pertier pictures so Ima gonna hafta pick one up next time we head to the Wal-Mart." There are so many games on both Xbox AND PS2 but last time I checked Microsoft only had a marginal lead over Nintendo in hardware sales. No one cares about the best graphics because the average person doesn't compare.


Personally, I love when something makes Nintendo look superior to Sony but I also love when programmers push systems to their max and accomplish something amazing. What if Capcom ported Resident Evil 4 to the PS2 and it looked and played just as good as the gamecube version and it sold 50 million copies? So what, for those of us who have gamecubes, we can still enjoy playing RE4 and everyone else can experience what we thought was our little secret.

[CullJeff]

That article just goes to prove that Gamecube owns.

[Bluteg]

Resident Evil 4 on PS2 looks like a high quality Saturn game... it just goes to show that 300 mhz cannot make high quality texture mapping.

[PDorr3]

I guees that screenshot we saw truly was a REAL screenshot, it looks really bad compared to the gamecube version, I must say.

[Ed Oscuro]

Resident Evil 4 on PS2 looks like a high quality Saturn game... it just goes to show that 300 mhz cannot make high quality texture mapping.
You're aware that the Power PC series processor in the GC is only 185 MHz "faster," right? Processor speed doesn't have much to do with it. The GameCube has some nifty graphics features, such as texture compression, courtesy of ATI. That's what the difference is.

[pragmatic insanester]

are the ps2 versions of the viewtiful joe games inferior, graphics-wise? i haven't picked either up yet, and i was originally going to get the ps2 version of 1 because of the extra content.

[euronymous]

This sucks for PS2 owners but die hard RE fans should of bought the cube for it anyway. Hell I wasn't going to get the Dreamcast until I saw CV. What's funny is people are actually shocked by this. Every one knows that the PS2 is the weakest of the 3 consoles. Personally I am happy over this though since my hatred of SCEA is overwhelming. Even if they were able to port it perfectly RE isn't the prize it once was although a good series most sales were due to the look at all the blood and violence people and they moved on to GTA -_-

[geelw]

Prime example - Munch's Oddysee... Infamous for having switched from being a PS2 exclusive to being a Microsoft exclusive...

That particular example had to do with Oddworld's inexperience with 3D, and Microsoft's willingness to show Lorne Lanning the money in exchange for an Xbox-exclusive franchise. It's hardly an "infamous" case, as the game itself was a mediocrity, and as the franchise is pretty much DOA at this point. (Stranger's Wrath tanked, despite the marketing powers of EA behind it.)

-- Z.

WHAT marketing muscle? ea really didn't advertise the game as much as they could and should have. the only "ads" i saw outside of the print ones were the G4 commercials with oddworld characters. i think ea spent more on advertising goldeneye: rogue agent, lol.

as for the port of re4- i say wait 'til it ships before passing gas... er judgement. a LOT of posts here are pure nonsense "i hate sony, so teh sux" bias based on what's not been played yet. capcom is doing the port for the money, period, but it's also interesting from a technical standpoint. the ps2 user base is larger, the outbreak games have sold well (despite being junk on a stick) and they know they'll have a surefire hit come the game's release.

personally, i could care less either way, as the series has pretty much run its course with me -_- , but i'll probably see what the final ps2 code looks and plays like just out of curiosity.

speaking of curiosity, did anyone notice the sword of the berserk-like events in re4? the first time i had to jam on buttons to get leon to avoid death, i cracked up and thought "well, it looks like SOMEBODY played that dc game" LOL

oh, and as to porting a better version of re to an "inferior" console, LOL um... how about re2 from the ps one to the n64? people whined about that for ages until the game was released and that certainly turned out pretty damn good for a CD to cart game. so i say give it a rest until you foo's actually PLAY the ps2 port, ok? ;)

[geelw]

This sucks for PS2 owners but die hard RE fans should of bought the cube for it anyway. Hell I wasn't going to get the Dreamcast until I saw CV. What's funny is people are actually shocked by this. Every one knows that the PS2 is the weakest of the 3 consoles. Personally I am happy over this though since my hatred of SCEA is overwhelming. Even if they were able to port it perfectly RE isn't the prize it once was although a good series most sales were due to the look at all the blood and violence people and they moved on to GTA -_-

oooh. more system bias -_-... anyway, here are some inferior games you missed out on for the "weakest of the three consoles" as you're one of the "every one" you mentioned above.

ico
downhill domination
twisted metal black
metal gear solid 3
drakan: the ancients' gates
arc the lad: twilight of the spirits
dark cloud 2
wrc: world rally championship
dragon quest VIII
gallop racer 2001
sly 2
culdcept
ratchet & clank: going commando
god of war
wizardry: tale of the forsaken land
siren
the mark of kri
champions of norrath
champions: return to arms
rumble racing
jak 3
okami

and so forth and so on...

why this "my hatred of SCEA is overwhelming" drivel? did they kill your dog? parents? significant other? if you're going to have misplaced anger issues over a corporation and their entertainment products, well... it's time to get another hobby, bub. you sure as hell aren't enjoying yourself as much as you should be with all that bile churning you have going on LOL

as for that 'weakest' comment... as the old saying goes, "it ain't what you got, it's how you shake it" and like it or not, sony and their third parties have gotten plenty of mileage from the hardware.

and that, as one forrest gump said, is all i'll say about that.

[zmweasel]

WHAT marketing muscle? ea really didn't advertise the game as much as they could and should have. the only "ads" i saw outside of the print ones were the G4 commercials with oddworld characters. i think ea spent more on advertising goldeneye: rogue agent, lol.

There's no doubt that EA could've pushed Wrath harder, but it was an Xbox-exclusive entry in a fading franchise. That EA bought TV time for it at all was an impressive display of marketing faith.

Funny you should cite a perceived lack of marketing, because Lanning has seized on that as the reason for the commercial failure of Wrath, as opposed to the much more obvious reason that his franchise is simply too strange for mainstream consumption.

-- Z.

[Ed Oscuro]

Doh, that reminds me...I never did even KNOW Wrath was released, was hyped about it though. Time to go buy a copy...

[sabre2922]

Another day another chance to eat my words :shameful:

Heres a link to the RE4 video at gamestop just in case a few here missed it:http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/adventure/residentevil4/index.html

check out the official trailer

Yeah proven wrong yet again :oops: the game actually looks damn good in motion not as brilliant as the GC version to be sure but really good. Im not sure what the deal was with the first released pix of the PS2 ver but this vid looks MUCH better than those to say the least.

Also looks as though there may be a few extras ala Code Veronica X style (or hopefully more?)

Im the first to admit when Im wrong and in situations like this it is nothing but a good thing for the simple reason that all the gamers out there that dont have a GC or only have a PS2 will get a shot at experiencing this incredible REbirth of one of my favorite game series ever without it being so watered down that the brilliance of it is lost in translation.

[geelw]

Another day another chance to eat my words :shameful:

Heres a link to the RE4 video at gamestop just in case a few here missed it:http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/adventure/residentevil4/index.html

check out the official trailer

Yeah proven wrong yet again :oops: the game actually looks damn good in motion not as brilliant as the GC version to be sure but really good. Im not sure what the deal was with the first released pix of the PS2 ver but this vid looks MUCH better than those to say the least.

Also looks as though there may be a few extras ala Code Veronica X style (or hopefully more?)

Im the first to admit when Im wrong and in situations like this it is nothing but a good thing for the simple reason that all the gamers out there that dont have a GC or only have a PS2 will get a shot at experiencing this incredible REbirth of one of my favorite game series ever without it being so watered down that the brilliance of it is lost in translation.

well, you get points for stepping up with the mea culpa. what you and other message board denizens have to realize is that a game IN PRODUCTION is always going to look a hell of a lot worse than the final version.

when screenshots or movies are released for a title not coming out almost a year later, it's best to put away the cutlery and wait until later footage or a playable surfaces. you can arguie that game companies shouldn't show stuff that doesn't look spectacular, but i love seeing how a game comes together and it's always fun to compare what you saw 8 or 9 months ago with what's in the final...

g.

[Richter]

Also looks as though there may be a few extras ala Code Veronica X style (or hopefully more?)that's almost a given. Sony (requires?) extra content (rather extra anything) on ports from another console

[Teo]

Why I never... :embarrassed: hmphhh This thread is incredulously rediculous if you ask me. Just kidding. Carry on with the sup`ed up GameCube titles.